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I noticed many monuments to Northern troops on my tour of the battleground at Vicksburg, Mississippi.
Dan Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danryan55 ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
The dedication of the Treue der Union monument occurred on August 10, 1866. To commemorate the 130th anniversary of the memorial, the monument was rededicated on August 10, 1996. It is the only German-language monument to the Union in the South where the remains of those killed in battle are buried, and where an 1866 thirty-six star American flag flies at half-staff.
... on August 20, 1865, Hill Country Germans erected the Treue der Union monument in Comfort, the only shrine to the Union erected by inhabitants on former Confederate soil.
The Treue der Union Monument is the only memorial to the Union (outside national cemeteries) in Confederate territory, and only one of six places in the nation permitted by Congress to fly the flag at half-staff in perpetuity (and the only one of these to fly the flag with thirty-six stars).
The bleached bones of Simon and Cramer’s nineteen comrades were gathered in 1865 and brought back to Comfort, where they were laid to rest with honor: the main speech was delivered by Edward Degener. The residents of Comfort erected a commemorative obelisk inscribed with “Treue der Union” (“Loyalty to the Union”), the only monument of its kind in the South.
Thank you, Maile, for your very substantial comment here, and for your edits to the article (long ago, and just now). I just adapted your comments here to make mainspace statements in the article. Especially as I have not consulted the sources, would you please check what I wrote and revise as necessary? Note that I include the more limited claims that you list above, without commenting whether they are true or false; I don't know what Frank Wilson Kiel has to say about the claims I repeat. Of course claims of uniqueness may sometimes be disproved, but it is hard to prove that they are true. E.g., it is hard for anyone to know if the monument is the only German-language monument to the North in the South, although it could be noted that "no claims to the contrary are known to have been expressed by Kiel or others" if that is the case. It would be great if you could conclude the section by adding some summary from your sources what qualified claims of uniqueness have been supported (or at least not contradicted) by consensus of scholars. -- do ncr am 19:01, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Doncram I'm fine with the rewrite as far as you took it. But it's really interesting what's in the Frank Wilson Kiel article. Kiel is a physician and military veteran who is (or was in 2012) in advisory positions at Fort Sam Houston Museum, a university in San Antonio, some international advisory capacities. Below is a recap of what is in that article. It's mostly verbatim from the article, so if you later decide to use any of it, reword it appropriately. As for me, I might try some incorporating the below into the article. I'll see what I can do. — Maile ( talk) 20:56, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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I noticed many monuments to Northern troops on my tour of the battleground at Vicksburg, Mississippi.
Dan Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danryan55 ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
The dedication of the Treue der Union monument occurred on August 10, 1866. To commemorate the 130th anniversary of the memorial, the monument was rededicated on August 10, 1996. It is the only German-language monument to the Union in the South where the remains of those killed in battle are buried, and where an 1866 thirty-six star American flag flies at half-staff.
... on August 20, 1865, Hill Country Germans erected the Treue der Union monument in Comfort, the only shrine to the Union erected by inhabitants on former Confederate soil.
The Treue der Union Monument is the only memorial to the Union (outside national cemeteries) in Confederate territory, and only one of six places in the nation permitted by Congress to fly the flag at half-staff in perpetuity (and the only one of these to fly the flag with thirty-six stars).
The bleached bones of Simon and Cramer’s nineteen comrades were gathered in 1865 and brought back to Comfort, where they were laid to rest with honor: the main speech was delivered by Edward Degener. The residents of Comfort erected a commemorative obelisk inscribed with “Treue der Union” (“Loyalty to the Union”), the only monument of its kind in the South.
Thank you, Maile, for your very substantial comment here, and for your edits to the article (long ago, and just now). I just adapted your comments here to make mainspace statements in the article. Especially as I have not consulted the sources, would you please check what I wrote and revise as necessary? Note that I include the more limited claims that you list above, without commenting whether they are true or false; I don't know what Frank Wilson Kiel has to say about the claims I repeat. Of course claims of uniqueness may sometimes be disproved, but it is hard to prove that they are true. E.g., it is hard for anyone to know if the monument is the only German-language monument to the North in the South, although it could be noted that "no claims to the contrary are known to have been expressed by Kiel or others" if that is the case. It would be great if you could conclude the section by adding some summary from your sources what qualified claims of uniqueness have been supported (or at least not contradicted) by consensus of scholars. -- do ncr am 19:01, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Doncram I'm fine with the rewrite as far as you took it. But it's really interesting what's in the Frank Wilson Kiel article. Kiel is a physician and military veteran who is (or was in 2012) in advisory positions at Fort Sam Houston Museum, a university in San Antonio, some international advisory capacities. Below is a recap of what is in that article. It's mostly verbatim from the article, so if you later decide to use any of it, reword it appropriately. As for me, I might try some incorporating the below into the article. I'll see what I can do. — Maile ( talk) 20:56, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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