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This article was nominated for deletion on 20 May 2009. The result of the discussion was merge to Star Trek (text game). |
This article was nominated for deletion on 21 September 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep. |
Via a tortuous route, this article has been restored despite an AfD that ended with a consensus on merging. I have checked Google, Google Books and even Google News, to no avail. I honestly cannot see any support for notability for this article subject. Would anyone care to provide some before another AfD? Alastairward ( talk) 18:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
As per above, I couldn't find any notability supplied for this article. There is a trivial mention in the book noted above, previous AfD consensus was that this article couldn't stand by itself and should be merged to another.
If anyone would like to provide any notability, please do, I'm in no hurry to renominate. Alastairward ( talk) 11:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion twice by Alastairward on notability grounds with a result of keep. [1]. The same editor using the name WikiuserNI recently deleted two references that were used to establish notability during the deletion discussion.
Regarding this edit
[2], in the reference Beck, Kent (1999). Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change. Addison Wesley. p. 43.
ISBN
201616416. {{
cite book}}
: Check |isbn=
value: length (
help), in this book, Beck writes on page 43 that he "wanted to tackle a more challenging problem [in computer programming] ... I decided I would write a Star Trek game, kind of like the one I had played at the Lawrence Hall of Science in Berkeley, but cooler." Beck certainly means TREK73 when he says "Star Trek game" at LHS. The reference supports the deleted statement from the article "Other programmers were similarly intrigued by the game." Beck was clearly intrigued by TREK73 because he chose that game as benchmark for his personal programming challenge. TREK73 was cool, but he felt that he could create something that was cooler.
Regarding this edit [3], in this reference, Soussan, David. "Cool Stuff". Retrieved 2009-09-23., Soussan says that " I've ported the [TREK73] game to the PC". The article states "David Soussan, took that code and ported it to the PC ... A version was later created ...", followed by the reference in question. It is clear that the end of the sentence reference is meant to show that a new version had been created, not that this version utilized long integers.
These deletions were not justified and do not conform to the spirit of WP:NPOV, particularly WP:WFTE. -- Kkmurray ( talk) 18:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
"Simulation" was deleted from the body of the article and categories. I don't necessarily object to referring to it as a game in the body, however it may be useful to categorize it as a simulation. The Star Trek text and script games, while also primitive, are in simulation categories. I've put the sim category back for consistency and to make it easy to find the game. Also, it appears that for the categories game and simulation may be interchangeable. LionelT ( talk) 22:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I have reviewed the source code. The program was published in 1973 and bears no copyright notice. Per
WP:Public domain#When does copyright expire? it is in the public domain. This is the same process for determining whether a picture, drawing or book is in public domain and doesn't require a source.
Is the game also
Freeware? Unlikely. Freeware usually is released as such and bears a mark indicating so. Additionally, the term "freeware" postdates TREK73 by 12 years
[4].
So, the game is de facto in the public domain and should be indicated as such. It could additionally be freeware but that is undetermined. If there are no further objections, I'll remove the tag.
LionelT (
talk)
00:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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Via a tortuous route, this article has been restored despite an AfD that ended with a consensus on merging. I have checked Google, Google Books and even Google News, to no avail. I honestly cannot see any support for notability for this article subject. Would anyone care to provide some before another AfD? Alastairward ( talk) 18:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
As per above, I couldn't find any notability supplied for this article. There is a trivial mention in the book noted above, previous AfD consensus was that this article couldn't stand by itself and should be merged to another.
If anyone would like to provide any notability, please do, I'm in no hurry to renominate. Alastairward ( talk) 11:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion twice by Alastairward on notability grounds with a result of keep. [1]. The same editor using the name WikiuserNI recently deleted two references that were used to establish notability during the deletion discussion.
Regarding this edit
[2], in the reference Beck, Kent (1999). Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change. Addison Wesley. p. 43.
ISBN
201616416. {{
cite book}}
: Check |isbn=
value: length (
help), in this book, Beck writes on page 43 that he "wanted to tackle a more challenging problem [in computer programming] ... I decided I would write a Star Trek game, kind of like the one I had played at the Lawrence Hall of Science in Berkeley, but cooler." Beck certainly means TREK73 when he says "Star Trek game" at LHS. The reference supports the deleted statement from the article "Other programmers were similarly intrigued by the game." Beck was clearly intrigued by TREK73 because he chose that game as benchmark for his personal programming challenge. TREK73 was cool, but he felt that he could create something that was cooler.
Regarding this edit [3], in this reference, Soussan, David. "Cool Stuff". Retrieved 2009-09-23., Soussan says that " I've ported the [TREK73] game to the PC". The article states "David Soussan, took that code and ported it to the PC ... A version was later created ...", followed by the reference in question. It is clear that the end of the sentence reference is meant to show that a new version had been created, not that this version utilized long integers.
These deletions were not justified and do not conform to the spirit of WP:NPOV, particularly WP:WFTE. -- Kkmurray ( talk) 18:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
"Simulation" was deleted from the body of the article and categories. I don't necessarily object to referring to it as a game in the body, however it may be useful to categorize it as a simulation. The Star Trek text and script games, while also primitive, are in simulation categories. I've put the sim category back for consistency and to make it easy to find the game. Also, it appears that for the categories game and simulation may be interchangeable. LionelT ( talk) 22:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I have reviewed the source code. The program was published in 1973 and bears no copyright notice. Per
WP:Public domain#When does copyright expire? it is in the public domain. This is the same process for determining whether a picture, drawing or book is in public domain and doesn't require a source.
Is the game also
Freeware? Unlikely. Freeware usually is released as such and bears a mark indicating so. Additionally, the term "freeware" postdates TREK73 by 12 years
[4].
So, the game is de facto in the public domain and should be indicated as such. It could additionally be freeware but that is undetermined. If there are no further objections, I'll remove the tag.
LionelT (
talk)
00:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)