This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project or contribute to the
discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
Treaty of Tartu is part of WikiProject Estonia, a project to maintain and expand
Estonia-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion.EstoniaWikipedia:WikiProject EstoniaTemplate:WikiProject EstoniaEstonia articles
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
Comments
I made some changes, of which most are uncontroversial, I hope! However, it's to be noted that the Soviet Union strictly speaking didn't exist yet in 1920, why the correct link better is to
Bolshevist Russia. Further more, Finland had not as far as I know
annexed any areas in
East Karelia, why the notion of "joined" areas is exchanged for
occupied. /
Tuomas 13:29, 5 May 2004 (UTC)reply
Reply to Tuomas:
I know. Repola was joined and occupied. If you can Finnish, see pages:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~saka/sultsina2000/bobi.html I copied the main points here: "Suomessa oleskelevien Itä-Karjalan johtomiesten tavoitteena oli tosin vain autonomian saaminen kansalleen, mutta myös itäkarjalaisissa esiintyi halua liittyä juuri itsenäistyneeseen veljesmaahan Suomeen."
"Vaikka Vienan retki ei onnistunutkaan, niin Aunuksen puolella, sen pohjoisosassa sijaitseva Repola päätti kaksipäiväisessä pitäjankokouksessa 31.8-1.9. 1918 liittyä Suomeen."
"Aunuksen retken ainoana konkreettisena tuloksena Repolan naapurikunta Porajärvi oli liittynyt Suomeen."
I'll translate: "There were wish to join Finland among East Karelians", "Repola decided to join Finland during two day parish congress 31.8.-1.9. 1918", "During Aunus expedition Porajärvi joined to Finland"
After that of course Finnish forces went to parishes and occupied them.
A text from Aunus Expedition:
The only "gain" from the expedition was that the parish of Porajärvi declared that it wished to join Finland. As had the parish of Repola already done in 1918. Some volunteer forces were left in these two villages. In the treaty of Tartu in 1920 Finland and Soviet Union agreed on their common border. Repola and Porajärvi were left on the Soviet side and the Finnish troops had to be withdrawn before February 14, 1921. The young police chief in Repola, Bobi Sivénin shot himself in protest.
/81.197.10.131 8:23, 6 May 2004 (UTC) (?)
As far as I know Finland did not formally annex the two parishes. Note the difference in your text: "Porajärvi (joined during Aunus expedition)" and mine: "Porajärvi declared that it wished to join Finland". (Compare also with Åland: they votet to join Sweden, but that had no real effect). --
Jniemenmaa 07:51, 6 May 2004 (UTC)reply
Hmm, yes, there is difference. But if one say only "Finland occupied Repola", he cut a lot of information out. -- Kahkonen
Not quite. The Treaty of Tartu is discussed/seen/known in Estonia solely as Russian - Estonian agreement. The Finnish part is not discussed in this issue. Thus there should be left at least a link to the Finnish - Russian agreement.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.50.145.22 (
talk •
contribs) 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project or contribute to the
discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
Treaty of Tartu is part of WikiProject Estonia, a project to maintain and expand
Estonia-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion.EstoniaWikipedia:WikiProject EstoniaTemplate:WikiProject EstoniaEstonia articles
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
Comments
I made some changes, of which most are uncontroversial, I hope! However, it's to be noted that the Soviet Union strictly speaking didn't exist yet in 1920, why the correct link better is to
Bolshevist Russia. Further more, Finland had not as far as I know
annexed any areas in
East Karelia, why the notion of "joined" areas is exchanged for
occupied. /
Tuomas 13:29, 5 May 2004 (UTC)reply
Reply to Tuomas:
I know. Repola was joined and occupied. If you can Finnish, see pages:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~saka/sultsina2000/bobi.html I copied the main points here: "Suomessa oleskelevien Itä-Karjalan johtomiesten tavoitteena oli tosin vain autonomian saaminen kansalleen, mutta myös itäkarjalaisissa esiintyi halua liittyä juuri itsenäistyneeseen veljesmaahan Suomeen."
"Vaikka Vienan retki ei onnistunutkaan, niin Aunuksen puolella, sen pohjoisosassa sijaitseva Repola päätti kaksipäiväisessä pitäjankokouksessa 31.8-1.9. 1918 liittyä Suomeen."
"Aunuksen retken ainoana konkreettisena tuloksena Repolan naapurikunta Porajärvi oli liittynyt Suomeen."
I'll translate: "There were wish to join Finland among East Karelians", "Repola decided to join Finland during two day parish congress 31.8.-1.9. 1918", "During Aunus expedition Porajärvi joined to Finland"
After that of course Finnish forces went to parishes and occupied them.
A text from Aunus Expedition:
The only "gain" from the expedition was that the parish of Porajärvi declared that it wished to join Finland. As had the parish of Repola already done in 1918. Some volunteer forces were left in these two villages. In the treaty of Tartu in 1920 Finland and Soviet Union agreed on their common border. Repola and Porajärvi were left on the Soviet side and the Finnish troops had to be withdrawn before February 14, 1921. The young police chief in Repola, Bobi Sivénin shot himself in protest.
/81.197.10.131 8:23, 6 May 2004 (UTC) (?)
As far as I know Finland did not formally annex the two parishes. Note the difference in your text: "Porajärvi (joined during Aunus expedition)" and mine: "Porajärvi declared that it wished to join Finland". (Compare also with Åland: they votet to join Sweden, but that had no real effect). --
Jniemenmaa 07:51, 6 May 2004 (UTC)reply
Hmm, yes, there is difference. But if one say only "Finland occupied Repola", he cut a lot of information out. -- Kahkonen
Not quite. The Treaty of Tartu is discussed/seen/known in Estonia solely as Russian - Estonian agreement. The Finnish part is not discussed in this issue. Thus there should be left at least a link to the Finnish - Russian agreement.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.50.145.22 (
talk •
contribs) 17 November 2006 (UTC)