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This was my proposal [1] Arafael ( talk) 13:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This whole article is based upon one source: Gonzalo Bulnes, a Chilean historian. This is obviously completely biased.-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 05:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't agree. The article is biased from beginning, but on favour of the Peruvian-Bolivian POV, who define this military pact as "defensive" but should only be named as "military pact". Defensive is a weasel word, which implies taking party and subliminal innocence, which is in no case te point, as this war was consciously provoked by the Bolivian Dictator HilariĂłn Daza. This is a fact, since he admits this on personal letters (later published) to the peruvian president. -- 194.203.215.254 ( talk) 15:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The term "so-called" is a weasel word. Please refrain from using it.-- MarshalN20 | Talk 14:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel that the article title here is not perfectly neutral. The article should probably be called Treaty of Mutual Defense (Peru-Bolivia) and a redirect set up to cater for the old link. Is this okay? Alex Harvey ( talk) 08:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved â Music1201 talk 06:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Secret treaty of Alliance between Peru and Bolivia (1873) â
Treaty of Defensive Alliance (BoliviaâPeru) â The proposed new title is the official name that appears in the document signed between both countries (please see
Wikisource and
Gibler, International Military Alliances, p. 176). The new title is also the one with the most Google Books hits, with 1,070 results (
[2]) compared to the 300 results of the current title (
[3]). So, not only does the new name meet the policy requirements for
common name, but also happens to be the
official name. The current title also has an orthographic error (there is no space between "Bolivia" and the opening parenthesis). Thank you!--
MarshalN20
Talk
18:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Problem solved I added the redirect Treaty of Defensive Alliance (Bolivia-Peru) as requested. -- Keysanger ( talk) 10:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The name of the treaty has already been established to be the "Treaty of Defensive Alliance". No other common name exists.-- MarshalN20 Talk 15:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Robert N. Burr, in By Reason Or Force: Chile and the Balancing of Power in South America, 1830-1905, a often cited ouvre about History of Chile, has a special chapter beginning at page 124 with the name "The Secret Treaty Between Peru and Bolivia".
William Jefferson Denis, in his valuable "Documentary History of the Tacna Arica Dispute" published by the University of Iowa Studies in the Social Sciences, has compiled 90 treaties, memorandum, letters, official declarations, etc, etc, about the War of the Pacific. In the index of the compilation, page 5, as well as in page 56, at the beginnig of the text given as introduction to the content, he names the treaty Treaty of Defensive Alliance or "Secret Treaty" between Peru and Bolivia, 1873".
So, there is another name, much more common than the vacuousness of "Treaty of Defensive Alliance". By WP:OTHERNAMES this alternative must be there. -- Keysanger ( talk) 07:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I am going to request a third opinion for the current editing dispute over the structure of the article's lead. Based on the policy of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section and WP:SUMMARY, I consider that the version currently in place (as of the time of this statement; see [5]) is the one that best meets Wikipedia's guidelines. On the other hand, Keysanger considers that his version ( [6]) is the better option.-- MarshalN20 Talk 02:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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This was my proposal [1] Arafael ( talk) 13:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This whole article is based upon one source: Gonzalo Bulnes, a Chilean historian. This is obviously completely biased.-- //[*]MarshalN20[*]\\ ( talk) 05:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't agree. The article is biased from beginning, but on favour of the Peruvian-Bolivian POV, who define this military pact as "defensive" but should only be named as "military pact". Defensive is a weasel word, which implies taking party and subliminal innocence, which is in no case te point, as this war was consciously provoked by the Bolivian Dictator HilariĂłn Daza. This is a fact, since he admits this on personal letters (later published) to the peruvian president. -- 194.203.215.254 ( talk) 15:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The term "so-called" is a weasel word. Please refrain from using it.-- MarshalN20 | Talk 14:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel that the article title here is not perfectly neutral. The article should probably be called Treaty of Mutual Defense (Peru-Bolivia) and a redirect set up to cater for the old link. Is this okay? Alex Harvey ( talk) 08:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved â Music1201 talk 06:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Secret treaty of Alliance between Peru and Bolivia (1873) â
Treaty of Defensive Alliance (BoliviaâPeru) â The proposed new title is the official name that appears in the document signed between both countries (please see
Wikisource and
Gibler, International Military Alliances, p. 176). The new title is also the one with the most Google Books hits, with 1,070 results (
[2]) compared to the 300 results of the current title (
[3]). So, not only does the new name meet the policy requirements for
common name, but also happens to be the
official name. The current title also has an orthographic error (there is no space between "Bolivia" and the opening parenthesis). Thank you!--
MarshalN20
Talk
18:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Problem solved I added the redirect Treaty of Defensive Alliance (Bolivia-Peru) as requested. -- Keysanger ( talk) 10:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The name of the treaty has already been established to be the "Treaty of Defensive Alliance". No other common name exists.-- MarshalN20 Talk 15:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Robert N. Burr, in By Reason Or Force: Chile and the Balancing of Power in South America, 1830-1905, a often cited ouvre about History of Chile, has a special chapter beginning at page 124 with the name "The Secret Treaty Between Peru and Bolivia".
William Jefferson Denis, in his valuable "Documentary History of the Tacna Arica Dispute" published by the University of Iowa Studies in the Social Sciences, has compiled 90 treaties, memorandum, letters, official declarations, etc, etc, about the War of the Pacific. In the index of the compilation, page 5, as well as in page 56, at the beginnig of the text given as introduction to the content, he names the treaty Treaty of Defensive Alliance or "Secret Treaty" between Peru and Bolivia, 1873".
So, there is another name, much more common than the vacuousness of "Treaty of Defensive Alliance". By WP:OTHERNAMES this alternative must be there. -- Keysanger ( talk) 07:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I am going to request a third opinion for the current editing dispute over the structure of the article's lead. Based on the policy of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section and WP:SUMMARY, I consider that the version currently in place (as of the time of this statement; see [5]) is the one that best meets Wikipedia's guidelines. On the other hand, Keysanger considers that his version ( [6]) is the better option.-- MarshalN20 Talk 02:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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I have taken a third opinion request for this page and am currently reviewing the issues. I shall replace this text shortly with my reply. I have made no previous edits on
Treaty of Defensive Alliance (BoliviaâPeru) and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The
third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.
Dig deeper
talk
01:08, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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