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"As of August 2010, the Henley Visa Restriction Index ranks the United Kingdom Passport as the passport with the most Visa Exemptions by other nations totalling 166, allowing holders of a British Passport to take part in the most visa-free travel globally."
Probably time to update this. People using passports from Denmark, Sweden or Finland can travel to 173 countries. (as of August 2011 according to Henley Visa Restriction Index) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.127.233 ( talk) 08:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
some south american countries which belong to the Mercosur group are allowed to enter member countries without a visa. Please include this in this article. thank you. 93.34.52.4 ( talk) 20:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
what is the full form of VISA
"East African Single Tourist Visa may be ready for November 2006", pretty outdated. any news regarding this?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.207.167.215 ( talk) 04:01, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
It appears that the link to myrussianfiance.com is in essence advertising, as it does not contribute signifigant useful knowledge. I would suggest that this link be removed. -- Heh3d 6 July 2005 23:17 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be moved to Visa, and Visa be moved to Visa (disambiguation)?
Kuwait does issue tourist visas, to citizens of certain countries, on arrival at Kuwait International Airport. Benblaney
Is it only when you have a tourist visa that you are forbidden to work? Can you work with an immigrant's visa? Through what Visas are you allowed to own property and/or live in property in the foreign country?
Thanks, Sogni
Agree we need a section but is needs to be better written then that suggested. Text below for when I have time to look at this.
Among long staying tourists (de facto expatriates) do a Visa Run just before the visa expires. Reasons for Visa Runs include no issuing of other visa types to this persons or no possibility for a prolonged visa. A Visa Run is simply done by departing the country (mostly by bus) and return after a very short time (hours or days) to the same country to get another two or three months visa as a tourist. This is common especially in Southeast Asia (Thailand-Malaysia-Thailand being famous for that).
Spartaz 00:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Aren't those stamps in the photos from Thailand and Sri Lanka just entry stamps for visa-free travel and not actual visas? FlyerBoy
I have removed some country specific external links becausw I think the links on this article should cover more then one country.-- Spartaz 07:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I have been very pleased with the site I have added to the external links section, http://www.visahq.com is a reliable source for information on visas and US passports. I have used their site to plan a few of my trips and haven't been disappointed yet. -- Kbondar 18:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Am I the only one irked by a link to a site which is somewhat incomplete with information is removed but a link with information purely for United States citizens remains? I have to say visahq is almost useless for non-americans. Perhaps Wikipedia should be purely for Americans? Where do I get my green card to use wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.168.116.141 ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC).
What are you talking about? VisaHQ.com is the ONLY complete source for ALL nations around the world. Just open your eyes and select ANY nation from drop-down menu. Cheers...
IATA maintains a database from any country, to any country. Unfortunately, it is
subscription only. Delta and Continental both make the information freely available on their websites
here and
here. I think that's about as good as we're going to get to still get the information and to keep it low on spam/commercial. Yes, both of these sites are commercial in nature, but they're not selling visa services. I've added only Continental's to the article because it offers more information and is easier to use.
Hwonder
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07:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Does this link:
http://www.metu.edu.tr/~e116443/visa.htm belong in the External Links section of the article? Its veracity aside, it seems to be more than a little biased...
24.115.197.155
22:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
That same link keeps popping back up time and time again...can't you keep whoever it is off this page?
The "Travel requirements" external link is primarily about entry requirements according to the linked webpage. Is there a link that has information beyond entry requirements? -- Jagz 23:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The website [removed blacklisted spam site] contains a certain amount of information about visa requirements and types. Some of its entry requirements data is not very good, but its the best I can find. The link seems to have been removed during some spam war/links. I will re-add it to external links. If you have a better link please discuss it here. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanebb ( talk • contribs) 18:13, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I have also changed the link to the "travel requirements" to a non https site. Https gives me trouble from some locations I travel to. It is exactly the same information just a different site. Shanebb 18:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
this text from the article:
"Entering a country without a valid visa or visa exemption may result in detention and removal (deportation or exclusion) from the country. Undertaking activities that are not authorized by the status of entry (for example, working while possessing a non-worker tourist status) can result in the individual being deemed removable, in common speech an illegal alien. Such violation is not a violation of a visa, however despite the common misuse of the phrase, but a violation of status hence the term "out of status.""
Is this correct? what is it based on?
Article semi-protected for a week to counter persistent linkspam by anon-ip. Spartaz Humbug! 13:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bring this up again but why exactly are we including this link? I have been reverting it as linkspam for months and this isn't just because the visa information is hopelessly inaccurate and incomplete. The Delta link is up-to-date, comprehensive and accurate because its the same information as in TIM and TIMATIC - which is used by the airline industry as their reference on visa regulations. I'm loath to include an incomplete and inaccurate resource against this. If its Embassy information, I'm sure we should be able to find another link but I'd like to understand exactly what it is we are asking from the link before I look into this. Cheers Spartaz Humbug! 18:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
OK.
You need the projectvisa link because the IATA link only has airport requirements. Crossing using a land border has different requirements. Take a look at Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar and Egypt as an example. Secondly the IATA information is not kept up to date the airlines err on the side of caution. Perhaps you should remove the IATA link because its information is bad? the IATA is the representative of the airlines which make it part of multi-billion dollar industry. So go figure. Only 90 percent of airlines are members of the IATA, and a LOT less bother with TIMATIC. I agree that the projectvisa site has some bad information but it is thebest I can find. I have tried updating information on wikipedia and I get "please cite source". Yeah OK, my source was the border guard. Does that count? of course not.
the projectvisa site looks factually acurate to me, it links to the official source when it exists. I can't find a better source for land border crossings or a a site which oultines all the pathetic nonsense you have to deal with at borders with guards who suddenly demands $100 and sticks a gun in your face.
neither site does a complete job,and I don't think anyone ever will. I will change the links. What is this nonsense about a disclaimer? Perhaps wikipedie needs a disclaimer? I read it on the internet it must be true.
I thinkyou guys are comparing apples to oranges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.175.43.210 ( talk) 07:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I think Project Visa should be included in the External links along with a link to the website's disclaimer like I had it a few days ago.[removed blacklisted spam site] People can decide for themselves whether to trust the information on the site. I think there should be more than one link. Let's stop policing the links. -- Jagz 13:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I think comments like "Adding a bad site is worse than adding no site" is a bit like saying "Adding a bad page to Wikipedia is worse than having no page". If "Wikipedia is not a travel guide and we don't need this link" then perhaps both sites should be deleted? I agree projectvisa could be better but it is the best that I can find and is a useful site for what I need it for. And Spartaz, if you have found data that you know to be incorrect you should cite your source, other than TIMATIC. Looks as though one of the sites is wrong with their information on Somalia, which is it? I don't trust either of them. Also Spartaz while the UK section of timatic is most likely correct and comprehensive perhaps you could check the 200 or so other countries? I personally have been denied boarding an aircraft as the timatic data has been incorrect, being stranded for a week in a shithole of place while begging timatic to update its data is not a pleasurable experience.
If I can prove that some information on timatic is wrong, should I then remove the timatic link. I can do this no problem. I have to agree with Jagz, a disclaimer of some sort needs to be added as some people are a little to trusting of wikipedia (and the internet). Shanebb 15:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
And Spartaz: I'm sorry I am not a huge wikipedia editor so I don't really know how to follow the rules and I freely admit I don't know them, but I am willing to learn. You said; "Well, I looked at that as requested, and this link clearly fails #2 of links to be avoided." this refers to this? yes?; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/examples#Use_of_electronic_or_online_sources I don't really see which section of this you might be referring to. Please would you be so kind as to educate me in what exactly I should be reading here? Thanks for any help or pointers on where to start. I would really like to try and help wikipedia but I feel as though a lot of editors tend to leave rather ridiculous comments in the edit tags which mean nothing and leave me (and I imagine countless others) at an end. I thought the point of wikipedia was to collaborate so we can all move forward together. Shanebb 16:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Very good Spartaz, thank you. "in many cases maintained by the relevant immigration authority, it is a reliable source to check the veracity of project visa." I doubt that the immigration authorities contribute as much as you may be led to believe.
The immigration authorities use TIM as as a guide to their own regulations? I think you should read what you type. I will stay polite.
And saying that it is the place to check projectvisa is like when I phone an embassy for information and they tell me to refer to the guidebook for the country, the very guidebook I wrote. If I write the wrong information in my guidebook does it mean that it's correct? I don't think so. Shanebb 16:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
From looking through all the rules and regulations about wikipedia I have managed to find the following; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Links_to_be_considered in case number 4: Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources. I think projectvisa contains information from knowledgeable sources. Does someone wish to say that information from people who have traveled to a place firsthand are not knowledgeable? Or a site which cites its sources as the official immigrations sites (where possible) is not reliable?
From looking through the wikipedia guidelines (sorry I'm a bit of a noob at this) it would appear that quite a few wikipedia articles refer to projectvisa in respect to visa/entry information. It seems somewhat ironic that on one hand a site can be considered as a reliable site for some articles yet when it comes to an external link it is considered unreliable. While in links to be avoided http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wp:el#Links_normally_to_be_avoided I fail to find anything under which projectvisa would be relevant that would make it worthy of being avoided.
I can fully understand Spartaz's concern but the belief that we all travel across borders by airlines which are IATA airlines comes across as being somewhat elitist. I fully believe and expect wikipedia to be as open as much as possible and in the case of visa information I would really love to see a full and complete site which can be linked to which provides me with the information I need. If useful information is available I would like to see it and expect wikipedia to assist all people with all information. Enough of my rambling, http://youtube.com/watch?v=bIV4KLCmJ98 this explains how I see some wikipedia editors. Shanebb 18:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is an article about resolving disputes Wikipedia:Resolving disputes and this one is about informal mediation Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. -- Jagz 21:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Jpatokal you state, "I don't see much if anything to separate Projectvisa from a vast slew of sites claiming to maintain visa information" please would you be so kind as to show one site which claims to maintain visa information? I can find visaforu.com which seems to have no information but links of some sort mainly to travel websites. and visahq.com which seems to have an agenda of selling visas. If you check its data for Nepal its states you need a visa, but of course fails to state that one can be had on entry.
Please just one site which maintains visa information in the vast slew.
Spartaz's fact checking doesn't seem to go beyond timatic or a source which appears to be hidden behind a curtain from the rest of us. So to check the validity is near impossible.
I restore links for both sites as they are both useful to a point. Shanebb 12:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Who's site? what? The difference with the sites you have listed is they sell visa services rather than present information. None of them seem to present what I would call useful information. The ones with useful information tend to only have information for US and/or UK citizens. Jpatokal you state, "I don't see much if anything to separate Projectvisa from a vast slew of sites claiming to maintain visa information" Please could you elaborate on this? and yes I have been denied boarding on a few occasions as the Timatic data has been incorrect. At least Timatic now has its data on the internet so I can check in advance and not get caught at the airport. And yes it looks like projectvisa has banner ads, is that the problem here? or is the problem that the world has to follow timatic which represents the needs the developed countries of the world and ignores the undeveloped ones? Just because one source suits your needs?
Timatic suits my needs for the most part but is not helpful for the rest. Perhaps someone has a better link or a solution of where I can get my data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanebb ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
If the external links keep getting changed back and forth I plan to request mediation. Here is an article about resolving disputes Wikipedia:Resolving disputes and this one is about informal mediation Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. -- Jagz 21:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be the only way to solve this issue, perhaps they can look up the definition of visa as well. I don't think this is going to go away but I think we should give Spartaz the chance to give his opinion on both issues before asking for mediation. Shanebb 21:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The IATA database is used by every airline for boarding purposes and is accessed to check over 60m passengers per year. There is an entire team dedicated to collecting and publishing this information.
The below may well be an error (although governments are notorious for publishing incorrect information), but it is of such low importance that no one has ever reported it to IATA. As such, is it appropriate to state that the information may not be up to date and the link removed? I think not! Its a bit like saying that if a child takes a lolly from the supermarket, that they belong to a large mafia crime family... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.59.66 ( talk) 11:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The IATA link information for Myanmar/Burma states $200 must be changed at the airport on arrival, the data is three or four years out. For the pixies in my head. http://www.asterism.info/info/index.html "Update January 2004 Both FIT and Package visa holders are now not required to exchange US$ into FEC money upon arrival airports in Myanmar. " http://www.travelmyanmar.com/myanmarvisainformation.html "Now things have improved, and neither kind of visa need to exchange any money upon arrival.."
Can a warning be attached to the link or the link be removed please? 123.243.218.53 ( talk) 11:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Would they accept a Mastercard instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.167.171.149 ( talk) 09:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone cite "does not have a good moral character" as a reason to be denied a visa? I'm not saying it's impossible, especially in certain countries (like the communist ones), but anyone reading that will think it's a joke, so it must be properly cited, along with a realistic example. Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 23:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Where can I find a list or map about international travel with visa exemption? Maybe there is even a page within wikipedia?-- 92.229.66.88 ( talk) 03:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Information given is incorrect. "Exit visa" is only required if the passport with the valid entry visa was lost or stolen - the only difference of "exit visa" is that it is issued in Russia. The process is common to the procedure most of countries execute in such situations (also known as visa prolongation). Person who exits Russia without visa is deemed deported and will be denied to re-enter this country. I am deleting this paragraph in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 13.16.137.12 ( talk) 08:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
One of the picture contains the full passport details of somebody. Should be obscured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.246.226 ( talk) 16:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Not many researches have been done in this area http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Immigration+law+visa&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1 -- 222.64.210.7 ( talk) 02:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I would really love to learn when immigrant visa have first been introduced to the U.S. This must have been before the 1930ies, since at that time so many jews in Germany were struggling to get one. And the legal foundation must be an immigration law. Does anybody know anything precise? -- Stilfehler ( talk) 19:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Currently there are the List_of_passports articles, where is listed for each passport type (citizenship type) where it can go visa-free. Then, there are the Template:Visa_policy_by_country and [1] articles, where it is listed what passports/citizens can enter each country visa-free. I think that it would be good to make such lists with common designs such as the Lists of diplomatic missions to and from each country. Alinor ( talk) 12:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
What is the point of transit visa if the person does not pass through immigration control? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.137.76 ( talk) 18:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
From december 28th on, in Argentina will apply the reciprocity criteria with the citizens of countries than requiere visa for the argentines citizens,like United States, Canada or Australia. http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/12/26/um/m-02108238.htm (spanish) -- Gonzaloges ( talk) 21:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Just a general heads up. The above proposal may be of interest to regular editors at this page. RashersDogRusty ( talk) 01:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
For Template:Visa policy by country (see also here:
The same link is cited over 100 times, can somebody who knows how to do it properly have it consolidated into one reference? 2601:547:F01:3C6C:4C44:2F19:130B:B0FC ( talk) 02:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
The 8th citation (at the moment of writing this comment) has become a 404 Page Not Found. (this one: U.S. Department of State, K-1 Fiancée Visa) Does somebody know which page it refers to? Could have been moved or deleted. sheep0x ( talk) 17:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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This seems to originate from the sources mentioned, but the fact that the two final tables (Visa Restriction Index, weighted visa score) use different systems of ranking (the former uses rank as "the possible scores" and then mentions which countries reach that level, while the latter uses rank as in e.g. most sports as "number of those ahead plus 1") is somewhat confusing. I wonder whether that can be cleared up (personally I would prefer the latter way) without falling afoul of WP:OR -- 131.169.89.168 ( talk) 11:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Links to TimaticWeb.com are all down (ie https://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_website_client.cgi?FullText=1&COUNTRY=SS&SECTION=VI&SUBSECTION=00&user=GF&subuser=GFB2C ). There's no copy of these pages on archive.org due to robots.txt. Anyone want to volunteer and replace all these dead links with another source? CerealKillerYum ( talk) 08:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion at talk:Passports of the European Union#Passport rankings table should be deleted ... that could do with some fresh eyes, please. -- Red King ( talk) 21:16, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
I have learn nothing about history from the history section on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.222.50.212 ( talk) 09:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
How about writing something about when visas (or forms of) have first started to be used? I a pretty sure 100 years ago no one has heard of visas, the passports were just a sheet of paper with a stamp.
Capricornis ( talk) 04:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree, TRAVEL VISA was created not long ago to welcome only rich tourists. The best way to hide the truth is to not tell the truth and NO HISTORY is the best way to hide the truth. -- Jack William —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.45.184 ( talk) 04:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I would be very interested to see an explanation of what the High Commission, Immigration Office,Embassy or issuing authority actually does in order to approve or deny an Visa. For instance I need to get a Visa for travel to India. I am required to send a completed form, a photo of a given size, my passport and money. It takes a minimum of 10 days to process. What are they doing all that time? What do they do with the photo? Why can they not use the passport photo? What are they trying to establish. I am also wondering if in this age of digitized passport and immigration records & databases, Visas actually serve an real purpose other than employing bureaucrats around th world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mudcrabwiki ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody put in the lists of health conditions that forbid someone from getting a visa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.138.220.152 ( talk) 14:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
"As of August 2010, the Henley Visa Restriction Index ranks the United Kingdom Passport as the passport with the most Visa Exemptions by other nations totalling 166, allowing holders of a British Passport to take part in the most visa-free travel globally."
Probably time to update this. People using passports from Denmark, Sweden or Finland can travel to 173 countries. (as of August 2011 according to Henley Visa Restriction Index) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.127.233 ( talk) 08:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
some south american countries which belong to the Mercosur group are allowed to enter member countries without a visa. Please include this in this article. thank you. 93.34.52.4 ( talk) 20:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
what is the full form of VISA
"East African Single Tourist Visa may be ready for November 2006", pretty outdated. any news regarding this?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.207.167.215 ( talk) 04:01, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
It appears that the link to myrussianfiance.com is in essence advertising, as it does not contribute signifigant useful knowledge. I would suggest that this link be removed. -- Heh3d 6 July 2005 23:17 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be moved to Visa, and Visa be moved to Visa (disambiguation)?
Kuwait does issue tourist visas, to citizens of certain countries, on arrival at Kuwait International Airport. Benblaney
Is it only when you have a tourist visa that you are forbidden to work? Can you work with an immigrant's visa? Through what Visas are you allowed to own property and/or live in property in the foreign country?
Thanks, Sogni
Agree we need a section but is needs to be better written then that suggested. Text below for when I have time to look at this.
Among long staying tourists (de facto expatriates) do a Visa Run just before the visa expires. Reasons for Visa Runs include no issuing of other visa types to this persons or no possibility for a prolonged visa. A Visa Run is simply done by departing the country (mostly by bus) and return after a very short time (hours or days) to the same country to get another two or three months visa as a tourist. This is common especially in Southeast Asia (Thailand-Malaysia-Thailand being famous for that).
Spartaz 00:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Aren't those stamps in the photos from Thailand and Sri Lanka just entry stamps for visa-free travel and not actual visas? FlyerBoy
I have removed some country specific external links becausw I think the links on this article should cover more then one country.-- Spartaz 07:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I have been very pleased with the site I have added to the external links section, http://www.visahq.com is a reliable source for information on visas and US passports. I have used their site to plan a few of my trips and haven't been disappointed yet. -- Kbondar 18:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Am I the only one irked by a link to a site which is somewhat incomplete with information is removed but a link with information purely for United States citizens remains? I have to say visahq is almost useless for non-americans. Perhaps Wikipedia should be purely for Americans? Where do I get my green card to use wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.168.116.141 ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC).
What are you talking about? VisaHQ.com is the ONLY complete source for ALL nations around the world. Just open your eyes and select ANY nation from drop-down menu. Cheers...
IATA maintains a database from any country, to any country. Unfortunately, it is
subscription only. Delta and Continental both make the information freely available on their websites
here and
here. I think that's about as good as we're going to get to still get the information and to keep it low on spam/commercial. Yes, both of these sites are commercial in nature, but they're not selling visa services. I've added only Continental's to the article because it offers more information and is easier to use.
Hwonder
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07:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Does this link:
http://www.metu.edu.tr/~e116443/visa.htm belong in the External Links section of the article? Its veracity aside, it seems to be more than a little biased...
24.115.197.155
22:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
That same link keeps popping back up time and time again...can't you keep whoever it is off this page?
The "Travel requirements" external link is primarily about entry requirements according to the linked webpage. Is there a link that has information beyond entry requirements? -- Jagz 23:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The website [removed blacklisted spam site] contains a certain amount of information about visa requirements and types. Some of its entry requirements data is not very good, but its the best I can find. The link seems to have been removed during some spam war/links. I will re-add it to external links. If you have a better link please discuss it here. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanebb ( talk • contribs) 18:13, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I have also changed the link to the "travel requirements" to a non https site. Https gives me trouble from some locations I travel to. It is exactly the same information just a different site. Shanebb 18:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
this text from the article:
"Entering a country without a valid visa or visa exemption may result in detention and removal (deportation or exclusion) from the country. Undertaking activities that are not authorized by the status of entry (for example, working while possessing a non-worker tourist status) can result in the individual being deemed removable, in common speech an illegal alien. Such violation is not a violation of a visa, however despite the common misuse of the phrase, but a violation of status hence the term "out of status.""
Is this correct? what is it based on?
Article semi-protected for a week to counter persistent linkspam by anon-ip. Spartaz Humbug! 13:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bring this up again but why exactly are we including this link? I have been reverting it as linkspam for months and this isn't just because the visa information is hopelessly inaccurate and incomplete. The Delta link is up-to-date, comprehensive and accurate because its the same information as in TIM and TIMATIC - which is used by the airline industry as their reference on visa regulations. I'm loath to include an incomplete and inaccurate resource against this. If its Embassy information, I'm sure we should be able to find another link but I'd like to understand exactly what it is we are asking from the link before I look into this. Cheers Spartaz Humbug! 18:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
OK.
You need the projectvisa link because the IATA link only has airport requirements. Crossing using a land border has different requirements. Take a look at Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar and Egypt as an example. Secondly the IATA information is not kept up to date the airlines err on the side of caution. Perhaps you should remove the IATA link because its information is bad? the IATA is the representative of the airlines which make it part of multi-billion dollar industry. So go figure. Only 90 percent of airlines are members of the IATA, and a LOT less bother with TIMATIC. I agree that the projectvisa site has some bad information but it is thebest I can find. I have tried updating information on wikipedia and I get "please cite source". Yeah OK, my source was the border guard. Does that count? of course not.
the projectvisa site looks factually acurate to me, it links to the official source when it exists. I can't find a better source for land border crossings or a a site which oultines all the pathetic nonsense you have to deal with at borders with guards who suddenly demands $100 and sticks a gun in your face.
neither site does a complete job,and I don't think anyone ever will. I will change the links. What is this nonsense about a disclaimer? Perhaps wikipedie needs a disclaimer? I read it on the internet it must be true.
I thinkyou guys are comparing apples to oranges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.175.43.210 ( talk) 07:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I think Project Visa should be included in the External links along with a link to the website's disclaimer like I had it a few days ago.[removed blacklisted spam site] People can decide for themselves whether to trust the information on the site. I think there should be more than one link. Let's stop policing the links. -- Jagz 13:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I think comments like "Adding a bad site is worse than adding no site" is a bit like saying "Adding a bad page to Wikipedia is worse than having no page". If "Wikipedia is not a travel guide and we don't need this link" then perhaps both sites should be deleted? I agree projectvisa could be better but it is the best that I can find and is a useful site for what I need it for. And Spartaz, if you have found data that you know to be incorrect you should cite your source, other than TIMATIC. Looks as though one of the sites is wrong with their information on Somalia, which is it? I don't trust either of them. Also Spartaz while the UK section of timatic is most likely correct and comprehensive perhaps you could check the 200 or so other countries? I personally have been denied boarding an aircraft as the timatic data has been incorrect, being stranded for a week in a shithole of place while begging timatic to update its data is not a pleasurable experience.
If I can prove that some information on timatic is wrong, should I then remove the timatic link. I can do this no problem. I have to agree with Jagz, a disclaimer of some sort needs to be added as some people are a little to trusting of wikipedia (and the internet). Shanebb 15:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
And Spartaz: I'm sorry I am not a huge wikipedia editor so I don't really know how to follow the rules and I freely admit I don't know them, but I am willing to learn. You said; "Well, I looked at that as requested, and this link clearly fails #2 of links to be avoided." this refers to this? yes?; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/examples#Use_of_electronic_or_online_sources I don't really see which section of this you might be referring to. Please would you be so kind as to educate me in what exactly I should be reading here? Thanks for any help or pointers on where to start. I would really like to try and help wikipedia but I feel as though a lot of editors tend to leave rather ridiculous comments in the edit tags which mean nothing and leave me (and I imagine countless others) at an end. I thought the point of wikipedia was to collaborate so we can all move forward together. Shanebb 16:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Very good Spartaz, thank you. "in many cases maintained by the relevant immigration authority, it is a reliable source to check the veracity of project visa." I doubt that the immigration authorities contribute as much as you may be led to believe.
The immigration authorities use TIM as as a guide to their own regulations? I think you should read what you type. I will stay polite.
And saying that it is the place to check projectvisa is like when I phone an embassy for information and they tell me to refer to the guidebook for the country, the very guidebook I wrote. If I write the wrong information in my guidebook does it mean that it's correct? I don't think so. Shanebb 16:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
From looking through all the rules and regulations about wikipedia I have managed to find the following; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Links_to_be_considered in case number 4: Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources. I think projectvisa contains information from knowledgeable sources. Does someone wish to say that information from people who have traveled to a place firsthand are not knowledgeable? Or a site which cites its sources as the official immigrations sites (where possible) is not reliable?
From looking through the wikipedia guidelines (sorry I'm a bit of a noob at this) it would appear that quite a few wikipedia articles refer to projectvisa in respect to visa/entry information. It seems somewhat ironic that on one hand a site can be considered as a reliable site for some articles yet when it comes to an external link it is considered unreliable. While in links to be avoided http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wp:el#Links_normally_to_be_avoided I fail to find anything under which projectvisa would be relevant that would make it worthy of being avoided.
I can fully understand Spartaz's concern but the belief that we all travel across borders by airlines which are IATA airlines comes across as being somewhat elitist. I fully believe and expect wikipedia to be as open as much as possible and in the case of visa information I would really love to see a full and complete site which can be linked to which provides me with the information I need. If useful information is available I would like to see it and expect wikipedia to assist all people with all information. Enough of my rambling, http://youtube.com/watch?v=bIV4KLCmJ98 this explains how I see some wikipedia editors. Shanebb 18:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is an article about resolving disputes Wikipedia:Resolving disputes and this one is about informal mediation Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. -- Jagz 21:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Jpatokal you state, "I don't see much if anything to separate Projectvisa from a vast slew of sites claiming to maintain visa information" please would you be so kind as to show one site which claims to maintain visa information? I can find visaforu.com which seems to have no information but links of some sort mainly to travel websites. and visahq.com which seems to have an agenda of selling visas. If you check its data for Nepal its states you need a visa, but of course fails to state that one can be had on entry.
Please just one site which maintains visa information in the vast slew.
Spartaz's fact checking doesn't seem to go beyond timatic or a source which appears to be hidden behind a curtain from the rest of us. So to check the validity is near impossible.
I restore links for both sites as they are both useful to a point. Shanebb 12:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Who's site? what? The difference with the sites you have listed is they sell visa services rather than present information. None of them seem to present what I would call useful information. The ones with useful information tend to only have information for US and/or UK citizens. Jpatokal you state, "I don't see much if anything to separate Projectvisa from a vast slew of sites claiming to maintain visa information" Please could you elaborate on this? and yes I have been denied boarding on a few occasions as the Timatic data has been incorrect. At least Timatic now has its data on the internet so I can check in advance and not get caught at the airport. And yes it looks like projectvisa has banner ads, is that the problem here? or is the problem that the world has to follow timatic which represents the needs the developed countries of the world and ignores the undeveloped ones? Just because one source suits your needs?
Timatic suits my needs for the most part but is not helpful for the rest. Perhaps someone has a better link or a solution of where I can get my data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanebb ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
If the external links keep getting changed back and forth I plan to request mediation. Here is an article about resolving disputes Wikipedia:Resolving disputes and this one is about informal mediation Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. -- Jagz 21:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be the only way to solve this issue, perhaps they can look up the definition of visa as well. I don't think this is going to go away but I think we should give Spartaz the chance to give his opinion on both issues before asking for mediation. Shanebb 21:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The IATA database is used by every airline for boarding purposes and is accessed to check over 60m passengers per year. There is an entire team dedicated to collecting and publishing this information.
The below may well be an error (although governments are notorious for publishing incorrect information), but it is of such low importance that no one has ever reported it to IATA. As such, is it appropriate to state that the information may not be up to date and the link removed? I think not! Its a bit like saying that if a child takes a lolly from the supermarket, that they belong to a large mafia crime family... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.59.66 ( talk) 11:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The IATA link information for Myanmar/Burma states $200 must be changed at the airport on arrival, the data is three or four years out. For the pixies in my head. http://www.asterism.info/info/index.html "Update January 2004 Both FIT and Package visa holders are now not required to exchange US$ into FEC money upon arrival airports in Myanmar. " http://www.travelmyanmar.com/myanmarvisainformation.html "Now things have improved, and neither kind of visa need to exchange any money upon arrival.."
Can a warning be attached to the link or the link be removed please? 123.243.218.53 ( talk) 11:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Would they accept a Mastercard instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.167.171.149 ( talk) 09:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone cite "does not have a good moral character" as a reason to be denied a visa? I'm not saying it's impossible, especially in certain countries (like the communist ones), but anyone reading that will think it's a joke, so it must be properly cited, along with a realistic example. Crackthewhip775 ( talk) 23:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Where can I find a list or map about international travel with visa exemption? Maybe there is even a page within wikipedia?-- 92.229.66.88 ( talk) 03:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Information given is incorrect. "Exit visa" is only required if the passport with the valid entry visa was lost or stolen - the only difference of "exit visa" is that it is issued in Russia. The process is common to the procedure most of countries execute in such situations (also known as visa prolongation). Person who exits Russia without visa is deemed deported and will be denied to re-enter this country. I am deleting this paragraph in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 13.16.137.12 ( talk) 08:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
One of the picture contains the full passport details of somebody. Should be obscured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.246.226 ( talk) 16:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Not many researches have been done in this area http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Immigration+law+visa&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1 -- 222.64.210.7 ( talk) 02:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I would really love to learn when immigrant visa have first been introduced to the U.S. This must have been before the 1930ies, since at that time so many jews in Germany were struggling to get one. And the legal foundation must be an immigration law. Does anybody know anything precise? -- Stilfehler ( talk) 19:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Currently there are the List_of_passports articles, where is listed for each passport type (citizenship type) where it can go visa-free. Then, there are the Template:Visa_policy_by_country and [1] articles, where it is listed what passports/citizens can enter each country visa-free. I think that it would be good to make such lists with common designs such as the Lists of diplomatic missions to and from each country. Alinor ( talk) 12:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
What is the point of transit visa if the person does not pass through immigration control? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.137.76 ( talk) 18:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
From december 28th on, in Argentina will apply the reciprocity criteria with the citizens of countries than requiere visa for the argentines citizens,like United States, Canada or Australia. http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/12/26/um/m-02108238.htm (spanish) -- Gonzaloges ( talk) 21:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Just a general heads up. The above proposal may be of interest to regular editors at this page. RashersDogRusty ( talk) 01:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
For Template:Visa policy by country (see also here:
The same link is cited over 100 times, can somebody who knows how to do it properly have it consolidated into one reference? 2601:547:F01:3C6C:4C44:2F19:130B:B0FC ( talk) 02:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
The 8th citation (at the moment of writing this comment) has become a 404 Page Not Found. (this one: U.S. Department of State, K-1 Fiancée Visa) Does somebody know which page it refers to? Could have been moved or deleted. sheep0x ( talk) 17:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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This seems to originate from the sources mentioned, but the fact that the two final tables (Visa Restriction Index, weighted visa score) use different systems of ranking (the former uses rank as "the possible scores" and then mentions which countries reach that level, while the latter uses rank as in e.g. most sports as "number of those ahead plus 1") is somewhat confusing. I wonder whether that can be cleared up (personally I would prefer the latter way) without falling afoul of WP:OR -- 131.169.89.168 ( talk) 11:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Links to TimaticWeb.com are all down (ie https://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_website_client.cgi?FullText=1&COUNTRY=SS&SECTION=VI&SUBSECTION=00&user=GF&subuser=GFB2C ). There's no copy of these pages on archive.org due to robots.txt. Anyone want to volunteer and replace all these dead links with another source? CerealKillerYum ( talk) 08:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion at talk:Passports of the European Union#Passport rankings table should be deleted ... that could do with some fresh eyes, please. -- Red King ( talk) 21:16, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
I have learn nothing about history from the history section on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.222.50.212 ( talk) 09:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
How about writing something about when visas (or forms of) have first started to be used? I a pretty sure 100 years ago no one has heard of visas, the passports were just a sheet of paper with a stamp.
Capricornis ( talk) 04:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree, TRAVEL VISA was created not long ago to welcome only rich tourists. The best way to hide the truth is to not tell the truth and NO HISTORY is the best way to hide the truth. -- Jack William —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.45.184 ( talk) 04:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I would be very interested to see an explanation of what the High Commission, Immigration Office,Embassy or issuing authority actually does in order to approve or deny an Visa. For instance I need to get a Visa for travel to India. I am required to send a completed form, a photo of a given size, my passport and money. It takes a minimum of 10 days to process. What are they doing all that time? What do they do with the photo? Why can they not use the passport photo? What are they trying to establish. I am also wondering if in this age of digitized passport and immigration records & databases, Visas actually serve an real purpose other than employing bureaucrats around th world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mudcrabwiki ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Can anybody put in the lists of health conditions that forbid someone from getting a visa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.138.220.152 ( talk) 14:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)