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I find the following quote as offensive to people who may still be living as pastoral nomads, and to people with ADHD. It reflects a point of view, where people with ADHD are not fully evolved, and it assumes that the settled way of life is the "normal" and the genes that do not support it could only be prehistorical. Who knows that we won't be living nomadic lives again in 10000 years? There fore I dispute the neutrality of it.
"Following this logic, ADHD is a remnant gene (DRD4) from human prehistory that has yet to be eliminated through natural selection.[2]"
The 'laws of migration' section doesn't make sense. It states that these 'laws' came into being in a certain period, but doesn't say what migrant group they apply to or how they were formulated. If this is a more general academic list of typical features of human migration, that should be spelled out with more detail like who developed the list and under what situations do the laws apply or not apply.
Certain laws of social science have been proposed to describe human migration. The following was a standard list after Ravenstein's proposals during the time frame of 1834 to 1913. The laws are as follows:
A little copy editing might be useful as well.
This is still very much practiced especially in Austria and Switzerland. Not in St. Moritz or Interlaken, sure, but it still is a sizable contribution to the agriculture. I added some figures (from German Wikipedia) , the references are, though, only available in German-- Irmgard 19:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
In Europe, there is also the three waves transhumance in the Pireneas : first the horses (mostly barefoot) around 15 of May, then the cows (end of May) and finally the sheeps (mid-June). If someone could add something about this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.86.85.68 ( talk) 23:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
why can't i see the picture? Benwing 04:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I just read this page for the first time and was pleasantly surprised. It seems well done. I have half-expecting a page on transhumance -- not the most well known of words and concepts -- to be either stubby or veering toward the kind of train wreck that wikipedia articles so often become. But it is neither! Relatively short and readable, but containing lots of information, and with a global POV as well. I just wanted to say -- well done. That is all. Pfly 02:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
So is "nomadic transhumance" the same thing as nomadic pastoralism? If not, then what is the difference? -- Slacker ( talk) 12:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The wikipedia article about the Tarahumara says that some of the Tarahumara practice transhumance. It might be good to add Mexico to the list of areas that this article (the transhumance article) mentions as places where transhumance is practiced. 24.17.218.38 ( talk) 22:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)ATBS
I can't figure out what the author means in the intro paragraph. They state that transhumance is movement of people with their livestock, but then state that the herders have a permanent home, implying that the humans don't move. Then they state only the herds travel, with the people necessary to tend them! Which is it? Do the people move with the herds or not!?!? Then, in a non-sequitur, they say something about susceptibility of horizontal transhumance being disrupted without even saying what horizontal transhumance is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.232.147 ( talk) 19:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
This page describes abundantly the summer months but neglects important varieties of winter feeding practices, i.e. foddering. This page implies that all winter feeding is by grazing on the low pastures. However in Norway and the high Alps the valley pastures are not grazed at all but completely harvested for hay to store. The winter there is so hard that livestock must be kept indoors throughout the winter and sustained on fodder. "Norwegian 'Summer Farming', in German is called 'Alm-Wirtschaft', and must not be mixed up with the 'transhumance' traditions of Southern-Europe." [1] Kildwyke ( talk) 20:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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While you provide links to tools with which I might fix this myself, at the moment I don't have the time to investigate them and apply them. The very 1st article reference is now a bad link. The article, a pdf, has been captured by the Wayback archives. The link was to a pdf, titled something like Pastoralism in the New Millenium, put out by the Overseas Development Institute. MGBuell Mbuell72 22:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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There is a dispute on this issue at Talk:Origin_of_the_Romanians#who_were_nomads.3F. 123Steller ( talk) 22:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
There is a parallel dispute on this issue at User_talk:Fakirbakir#Nomadic_Transhumance_v._Pastoral_Nomadism-- Megustalastrufas ( talk) 16:32, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
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I came here expecting to see a discussion of how transhumance developed during the Neolithic. To my surprise, it discussed only recent transhumance. Nothing prehistoric, not even Iron Age. Doug Weller talk 16:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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I find the following quote as offensive to people who may still be living as pastoral nomads, and to people with ADHD. It reflects a point of view, where people with ADHD are not fully evolved, and it assumes that the settled way of life is the "normal" and the genes that do not support it could only be prehistorical. Who knows that we won't be living nomadic lives again in 10000 years? There fore I dispute the neutrality of it.
"Following this logic, ADHD is a remnant gene (DRD4) from human prehistory that has yet to be eliminated through natural selection.[2]"
The 'laws of migration' section doesn't make sense. It states that these 'laws' came into being in a certain period, but doesn't say what migrant group they apply to or how they were formulated. If this is a more general academic list of typical features of human migration, that should be spelled out with more detail like who developed the list and under what situations do the laws apply or not apply.
Certain laws of social science have been proposed to describe human migration. The following was a standard list after Ravenstein's proposals during the time frame of 1834 to 1913. The laws are as follows:
A little copy editing might be useful as well.
This is still very much practiced especially in Austria and Switzerland. Not in St. Moritz or Interlaken, sure, but it still is a sizable contribution to the agriculture. I added some figures (from German Wikipedia) , the references are, though, only available in German-- Irmgard 19:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
In Europe, there is also the three waves transhumance in the Pireneas : first the horses (mostly barefoot) around 15 of May, then the cows (end of May) and finally the sheeps (mid-June). If someone could add something about this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.86.85.68 ( talk) 23:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
why can't i see the picture? Benwing 04:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I just read this page for the first time and was pleasantly surprised. It seems well done. I have half-expecting a page on transhumance -- not the most well known of words and concepts -- to be either stubby or veering toward the kind of train wreck that wikipedia articles so often become. But it is neither! Relatively short and readable, but containing lots of information, and with a global POV as well. I just wanted to say -- well done. That is all. Pfly 02:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
So is "nomadic transhumance" the same thing as nomadic pastoralism? If not, then what is the difference? -- Slacker ( talk) 12:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The wikipedia article about the Tarahumara says that some of the Tarahumara practice transhumance. It might be good to add Mexico to the list of areas that this article (the transhumance article) mentions as places where transhumance is practiced. 24.17.218.38 ( talk) 22:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)ATBS
I can't figure out what the author means in the intro paragraph. They state that transhumance is movement of people with their livestock, but then state that the herders have a permanent home, implying that the humans don't move. Then they state only the herds travel, with the people necessary to tend them! Which is it? Do the people move with the herds or not!?!? Then, in a non-sequitur, they say something about susceptibility of horizontal transhumance being disrupted without even saying what horizontal transhumance is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.232.147 ( talk) 19:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
This page describes abundantly the summer months but neglects important varieties of winter feeding practices, i.e. foddering. This page implies that all winter feeding is by grazing on the low pastures. However in Norway and the high Alps the valley pastures are not grazed at all but completely harvested for hay to store. The winter there is so hard that livestock must be kept indoors throughout the winter and sustained on fodder. "Norwegian 'Summer Farming', in German is called 'Alm-Wirtschaft', and must not be mixed up with the 'transhumance' traditions of Southern-Europe." [1] Kildwyke ( talk) 20:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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While you provide links to tools with which I might fix this myself, at the moment I don't have the time to investigate them and apply them. The very 1st article reference is now a bad link. The article, a pdf, has been captured by the Wayback archives. The link was to a pdf, titled something like Pastoralism in the New Millenium, put out by the Overseas Development Institute. MGBuell Mbuell72 22:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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There is a dispute on this issue at Talk:Origin_of_the_Romanians#who_were_nomads.3F. 123Steller ( talk) 22:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
There is a parallel dispute on this issue at User_talk:Fakirbakir#Nomadic_Transhumance_v._Pastoral_Nomadism-- Megustalastrufas ( talk) 16:32, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
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I came here expecting to see a discussion of how transhumance developed during the Neolithic. To my surprise, it discussed only recent transhumance. Nothing prehistoric, not even Iron Age. Doug Weller talk 16:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
The redirect Saeter has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 10 § Saeter until a consensus is reached. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)