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I have corrected your page with factually correct information and it keeps being undone. Stop undoing this as your changing it to an incorrect version — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 14:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
There is no North TransPennine and the same for others, they are called the North Route, South Route and Anglo-Scottish Route. The north west route does not exist anymore as it has been transferred to Northern Railways. All of the information I have amended is factually from sources, your 'sourced' statements may have been correct at the time but are no longer true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
The class has officially been announced as being Class 397 by TransPennine Express and CAF. I am correcting the errors in your page, if you can't handle the fact that you are wrong then you shouldn't do the job you do. You need to change the links to the templates to be North Route, South Route and Anglo Scottish route, that is what TransPennine express call them. You are ruining this website as a source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Do you have any kind of industry information? It has been designated the class 397. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:52, 21 July 2016‎ (UTC)
Then why don't you correct your information which is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 09:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Isn't it funny how you have now changed it to say class 397 yet when I did it I was wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 09:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
But it was a fact, you do not need to reference a fact because it is a factual piece of information! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
I fail to see how my update of the TransPennine article is vandalism? Vandalism is an "action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property". All I have merely done is update the article to reflect the reality of the service since the change to the rail timetable at the end of May. I am a daily commuter, I have seen it, experienced it and read it. I am more than qualified to put that factual statement on to Wikipedia. Or is Wikipedia more concerned about not upsetting big corporations over accuracy? /info/en/?search=User%3AFlyer22_Reborn n Dnalor79 ( talk) 06:29, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we include the Liverpool to Glasgow route in the services list? Other editors have objected, saying that it's cherrypicking to include that and not the Middlesbrough via Darlington or limited stops services. However, I think that's different because those are the same routes, just with different calling patterns or lines travelled to get there, not different end destinations. Bellowhead678 ( talk) 13:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed that an IP editor on 13 June made this edit to the services section in which they seem to have created a Central and North East TransPennine route name. This is the first time I've heard anything be referred to like this (of course previously it was North / South / North West (the Scottish services)) , but is this what the services are now referred as officially, or is this made up cruft which should be reverted? TC60054 ( talk) 21:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I notice that the map added to the article today by User:Rcsprinter123 used the term "Anglo-Scottish" for the WCML route of TPE, whereas the article uses "TransPennine North West". Looking at the company's website I see that they do use the term "Anglo-Scottish" on numerous pages (such as https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/~/media/penaltyfareroutemapfeb2020.pdf, for example) whereas the term "TransPennine North West" does not occur at all. I realise that Wikipedia uses WP:COMMONNAME (for article titles, at least) rather than necessarily the official name, but on searching the web I find that most search results for "TransPennine North West" are from Wikipedia or its derivatives, and that if I exclude Wikipedia results from the search the results seem to be from a number of years ago. I realise that "Anglo-Scottish" does seem rather ambiguous, given that some "Northern TransPennine" services do go to Scotland, but I wonder what the community regards as the common name or the most reliable-sourced name for the WCML TPE route. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 18:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I see that the thread above this one does discuss a similar question, and that the term "Manchester to Scotland route" is used in some parts of the TPE website for the route in question, which may of course cause the Liverpudlians to feel rather neglected. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 18:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Franchises handovers always occur at the end of the DfT reporting month which is always a Saturday except for the end of the financial year when the period is shortened or extended to conclude on 31 March. Thus the TransPennine Express contract will conclude at 23:59 on Saturday 27 May and TransPennine Trains will commence at 00:00 on Sunday 28 May. Airpopg ( talk) 03:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: First move carried out; second move not done per discussion.. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 13:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
– Has now been confirmed that the TransPennine Express brand will be transferring from the FirstGroup operator to the DfT OLR Holdings operator on 28 May. Much like was the case with ScotRail and Southeastern, the articel about the incumbent should then become the primary topic, with the article about the predecessor moved to make way. Ahead of the request for evidence, I am unaware of any yet that is available to be made public, suffice to say that the operator has confirmed. But as this requested move will not be closed for at least 7 days and the handover will happen in less than 3, we will know for certain by then. Blamelstone ( talk) 14:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Definite consensus for the move to this new page, so just carried it out. Over 500 pages link to the TPE article, which will need to be sorted out at some point. Usage on TPT/TPE for the OLR franchise seems mixed at best. If we wanted we could keep TPT as the new franchise, and - as I suggested above - use TPE to disambig TPT, TPE (2016-2023) and FTPE (its predecessor)? Would be good to hear others' thoughts. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 08:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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I have corrected your page with factually correct information and it keeps being undone. Stop undoing this as your changing it to an incorrect version — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 14:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
There is no North TransPennine and the same for others, they are called the North Route, South Route and Anglo-Scottish Route. The north west route does not exist anymore as it has been transferred to Northern Railways. All of the information I have amended is factually from sources, your 'sourced' statements may have been correct at the time but are no longer true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
The class has officially been announced as being Class 397 by TransPennine Express and CAF. I am correcting the errors in your page, if you can't handle the fact that you are wrong then you shouldn't do the job you do. You need to change the links to the templates to be North Route, South Route and Anglo Scottish route, that is what TransPennine express call them. You are ruining this website as a source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Do you have any kind of industry information? It has been designated the class 397. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:52, 21 July 2016‎ (UTC)
Then why don't you correct your information which is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 09:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Isn't it funny how you have now changed it to say class 397 yet when I did it I was wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 09:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
But it was a fact, you do not need to reference a fact because it is a factual piece of information! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.117.130 ( talk) 13:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
I fail to see how my update of the TransPennine article is vandalism? Vandalism is an "action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property". All I have merely done is update the article to reflect the reality of the service since the change to the rail timetable at the end of May. I am a daily commuter, I have seen it, experienced it and read it. I am more than qualified to put that factual statement on to Wikipedia. Or is Wikipedia more concerned about not upsetting big corporations over accuracy? /info/en/?search=User%3AFlyer22_Reborn n Dnalor79 ( talk) 06:29, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we include the Liverpool to Glasgow route in the services list? Other editors have objected, saying that it's cherrypicking to include that and not the Middlesbrough via Darlington or limited stops services. However, I think that's different because those are the same routes, just with different calling patterns or lines travelled to get there, not different end destinations. Bellowhead678 ( talk) 13:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed that an IP editor on 13 June made this edit to the services section in which they seem to have created a Central and North East TransPennine route name. This is the first time I've heard anything be referred to like this (of course previously it was North / South / North West (the Scottish services)) , but is this what the services are now referred as officially, or is this made up cruft which should be reverted? TC60054 ( talk) 21:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I notice that the map added to the article today by User:Rcsprinter123 used the term "Anglo-Scottish" for the WCML route of TPE, whereas the article uses "TransPennine North West". Looking at the company's website I see that they do use the term "Anglo-Scottish" on numerous pages (such as https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/~/media/penaltyfareroutemapfeb2020.pdf, for example) whereas the term "TransPennine North West" does not occur at all. I realise that Wikipedia uses WP:COMMONNAME (for article titles, at least) rather than necessarily the official name, but on searching the web I find that most search results for "TransPennine North West" are from Wikipedia or its derivatives, and that if I exclude Wikipedia results from the search the results seem to be from a number of years ago. I realise that "Anglo-Scottish" does seem rather ambiguous, given that some "Northern TransPennine" services do go to Scotland, but I wonder what the community regards as the common name or the most reliable-sourced name for the WCML TPE route. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 18:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I see that the thread above this one does discuss a similar question, and that the term "Manchester to Scotland route" is used in some parts of the TPE website for the route in question, which may of course cause the Liverpudlians to feel rather neglected. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 18:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Franchises handovers always occur at the end of the DfT reporting month which is always a Saturday except for the end of the financial year when the period is shortened or extended to conclude on 31 March. Thus the TransPennine Express contract will conclude at 23:59 on Saturday 27 May and TransPennine Trains will commence at 00:00 on Sunday 28 May. Airpopg ( talk) 03:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: First move carried out; second move not done per discussion.. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 13:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
– Has now been confirmed that the TransPennine Express brand will be transferring from the FirstGroup operator to the DfT OLR Holdings operator on 28 May. Much like was the case with ScotRail and Southeastern, the articel about the incumbent should then become the primary topic, with the article about the predecessor moved to make way. Ahead of the request for evidence, I am unaware of any yet that is available to be made public, suffice to say that the operator has confirmed. But as this requested move will not be closed for at least 7 days and the handover will happen in less than 3, we will know for certain by then. Blamelstone ( talk) 14:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Definite consensus for the move to this new page, so just carried it out. Over 500 pages link to the TPE article, which will need to be sorted out at some point. Usage on TPT/TPE for the OLR franchise seems mixed at best. If we wanted we could keep TPT as the new franchise, and - as I suggested above - use TPE to disambig TPT, TPE (2016-2023) and FTPE (its predecessor)? Would be good to hear others' thoughts. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 08:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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