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Agree or disagree with TVC, keep fair. not just opposing bloggers points. Chuck.lange ( talk) 08:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
As much as I am likely to disagree with the TVC, I'm tagging this NPOV -- the stub as is focuses a lot on what the TVC is against and probably could use some balancing. -- — I. Neschek | talk 13:39, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
From what I've seen of it, the whole point of TVC is being against things. -- Kizor 13:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
They are a venomous little organization.
While I also disagree with some stuff these guys have done, I don't think they are venomous and I do not believe they are only opposed to things. As outlined in their "Traditional Values Defined" from their webpage, they are for: 1) every human's right to be born 2) fidelity in marriage 3) abstinence before marriage and on and on. True, you can phrase these in a negative way but that's just the obverse. Anyway, I have added a bit about their views on discrimination and tolerance, again from their page. I haven't posted much, so I don't know many of the rules, I'd be grateful if all y'all would help clean it up for me if I make any mistakes. DannyJohansson 15:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd also like to see some footnotes on the bullet points on perspectives on homosexuality. DannyJohansson 15:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I added the phrase "particularly extremist" at the beginning of the article since most "Christian Right" organizations do not go nearly as far as the TVC on anti-gay sentiment. Comrade_Sephiroth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.80.82 ( talk) 22:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is hideous and terribly biased. The point is not to analyze the group with a colored lens, it is to describe their make-up, their mission, and their actions (not the reactions to those actions). Please people, get a grip. I wouldn't even start to edit this article, it's just too far gone. User: Denberino - 14:12, 10 July 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denberino ( talk • contribs)
Please refer to WP:COPYRIGHT before including text from other sources. Recently removed was a large amount of text taken from several sources, including http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/bio_rev_lou_sheldon.pdf Mendaliv ( talk) 05:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I noticed the word conservative in the intro, as part of the phrase "conservative Christian churches" points to the article Conservative Christianity. Now, reading through that article, I notice that it's more about traditional Christianity, while the TVC appears to just be conservative in the sense of conservatism. Of course, I'm not an expert on the subject, so I have no idea what the intended meaning is. Anybody have any thoughts? Mendaliv ( talk) 07:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Deleted referenced information that used this organization's newsletter as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.247.64 ( talk) 18:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Adding new cat Category:LGBT rights opposition is not appropriate here for reasons stated on the cat's Talk page section entitled, "Cat violates Wiki policy?"
Further, as illustrated on Concerned Women for America, the cat may be controversial, and cats are not used for controversial material. The existence of controversy evidences the cat is inappropriate for the page. In particular, WP:CAT says:
Particular considerations for categorizing articles:
Obviously, it is not "clear from verifiable information in the article" if the wiki community keeps removing it.
I urge and support removal of the cat, else I urge the addition of either or both cat templates shown above from WP:CAT.
I am repeating this on all pages in which this new cat was added so communities there can discuss. -- LegitimateAndEvenCompelling ( talk) 22:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
It sounds like that is the definition of "traditional values" instead of these are the values that the Traditional Values coalition subscribe to. I will edit this to a less loaded title, but wanted to get feedback or whatever before I did so.-- DCX ( talk) 10:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The Traditional Values Coalition has been designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group based on "their propagation of known falsehoods — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities." Should this be included in the WP:Lead as a notable criticism? Insomesia ( talk) 02:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
These 9 include the SLPC hate label in the lede:
These 6 do not include the SLPC hate label in the lede:
This issue reveals one of those unavoidable inconsistencies with Wikipedia. Because SLPC is an extremely well-known civil rights orgnization (whether you are a supporter or detractor of theirs), I feel that including the hate group label in the lede (and body, of course) is clearly appropriate and warranted. Their data is used by many law enforcement agencies, educational institutions and media. It should be in the lede of all of those articles. -- 76.189.110.167 ( talk) 17:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
In 1985, Sheldon suggested forcing AIDS victims into “cities of refuge.” In 1992, columnist Jimmy Breslin said that Sheldon told him that “homosexuals are dangerous. They proselytize. They come to the door, and if your son answers and nobody is there to stop it, they grab the son and run off with him. They steal him. They take him away and turn him into a homosexual.” Sheldon later denied that he made the comments, but his website today includes strikingly similar language: “[S]ince homosexuals can’t reproduce, they will simply go after your children for seduction and conversion to homosexuality.” Elsewhere, it claims that “[t]he effort to push adult/child sex … is part of the overall homosexual movement.”
The TVC also asserts that “it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts” — a falsehood based on conflating male-male molestation with homosexuality. Gays, it says, molest children at “epidemic rates,” adding: “As homosexuals continue to make inroads into public schools, more children will be molested and indoctrinated into the world of homosexuality. Many of them will die in that world.” With regard to LGBT teen suicides, TVC, under the headline “Homosexual Urban Legends,” claims that “[t]he cold, hard fact is that teens who are struggling with homosexual feelings are more likely to be sexually molested by a homosexual school counselor or teacher than to commit suicide over their feelings of despair.”
The TVC also makes assertions on its website about disproportionate homosexual pedophilia and attacks the idea that people are born gay and the claim that gays want the right to marry for the same reasons that heterosexuals do — the TVC suggests the real purpose of marriage equality is to destroy the concept of marriage and ultimately replace it altogether with group sex and polygamy."
:Traditional Values Coalition is an extremist hate group spreading know falsehoods about entire class of people, fomenting hate and violence all as a supposedly "Christian" organization. That is the tension that should be reported in the Lead per WP:Lead. Insomesia ( talk) 20:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the four year old POV tag as this article has changed substantially since May 2008. This tag is meant as a temporary measure to stimulate discussion and editing. It should not be added unless the editor adding it has specific reasons and is willing to discuss them here. – MrX 18:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The addition of templates {{LGBT}} and {{discrimination}} is contested for this and other related articles. The discussion is occurring here: Talk:American Family Association#Navboxes – MrX 20:39, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Bbuonocore ( talk) 01:45, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
As of September 2017, the TVC's website appears to have gone dark. www.traditionalvalues.org was the organization's web address. Does anyone know anything about this? For example, does TVC have a new web address? Is their website temporarily offline due to technical or business issues? Have they decided to close their website indefinitely? Or is the organization defunct? Andrea Parton ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
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Agree or disagree with TVC, keep fair. not just opposing bloggers points. Chuck.lange ( talk) 08:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
As much as I am likely to disagree with the TVC, I'm tagging this NPOV -- the stub as is focuses a lot on what the TVC is against and probably could use some balancing. -- — I. Neschek | talk 13:39, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
From what I've seen of it, the whole point of TVC is being against things. -- Kizor 13:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
They are a venomous little organization.
While I also disagree with some stuff these guys have done, I don't think they are venomous and I do not believe they are only opposed to things. As outlined in their "Traditional Values Defined" from their webpage, they are for: 1) every human's right to be born 2) fidelity in marriage 3) abstinence before marriage and on and on. True, you can phrase these in a negative way but that's just the obverse. Anyway, I have added a bit about their views on discrimination and tolerance, again from their page. I haven't posted much, so I don't know many of the rules, I'd be grateful if all y'all would help clean it up for me if I make any mistakes. DannyJohansson 15:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd also like to see some footnotes on the bullet points on perspectives on homosexuality. DannyJohansson 15:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I added the phrase "particularly extremist" at the beginning of the article since most "Christian Right" organizations do not go nearly as far as the TVC on anti-gay sentiment. Comrade_Sephiroth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.80.82 ( talk) 22:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is hideous and terribly biased. The point is not to analyze the group with a colored lens, it is to describe their make-up, their mission, and their actions (not the reactions to those actions). Please people, get a grip. I wouldn't even start to edit this article, it's just too far gone. User: Denberino - 14:12, 10 July 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denberino ( talk • contribs)
Please refer to WP:COPYRIGHT before including text from other sources. Recently removed was a large amount of text taken from several sources, including http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/bio_rev_lou_sheldon.pdf Mendaliv ( talk) 05:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I noticed the word conservative in the intro, as part of the phrase "conservative Christian churches" points to the article Conservative Christianity. Now, reading through that article, I notice that it's more about traditional Christianity, while the TVC appears to just be conservative in the sense of conservatism. Of course, I'm not an expert on the subject, so I have no idea what the intended meaning is. Anybody have any thoughts? Mendaliv ( talk) 07:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Deleted referenced information that used this organization's newsletter as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.247.64 ( talk) 18:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Adding new cat Category:LGBT rights opposition is not appropriate here for reasons stated on the cat's Talk page section entitled, "Cat violates Wiki policy?"
Further, as illustrated on Concerned Women for America, the cat may be controversial, and cats are not used for controversial material. The existence of controversy evidences the cat is inappropriate for the page. In particular, WP:CAT says:
Particular considerations for categorizing articles:
Obviously, it is not "clear from verifiable information in the article" if the wiki community keeps removing it.
I urge and support removal of the cat, else I urge the addition of either or both cat templates shown above from WP:CAT.
I am repeating this on all pages in which this new cat was added so communities there can discuss. -- LegitimateAndEvenCompelling ( talk) 22:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
It sounds like that is the definition of "traditional values" instead of these are the values that the Traditional Values coalition subscribe to. I will edit this to a less loaded title, but wanted to get feedback or whatever before I did so.-- DCX ( talk) 10:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The Traditional Values Coalition has been designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group based on "their propagation of known falsehoods — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities." Should this be included in the WP:Lead as a notable criticism? Insomesia ( talk) 02:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
These 9 include the SLPC hate label in the lede:
These 6 do not include the SLPC hate label in the lede:
This issue reveals one of those unavoidable inconsistencies with Wikipedia. Because SLPC is an extremely well-known civil rights orgnization (whether you are a supporter or detractor of theirs), I feel that including the hate group label in the lede (and body, of course) is clearly appropriate and warranted. Their data is used by many law enforcement agencies, educational institutions and media. It should be in the lede of all of those articles. -- 76.189.110.167 ( talk) 17:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
In 1985, Sheldon suggested forcing AIDS victims into “cities of refuge.” In 1992, columnist Jimmy Breslin said that Sheldon told him that “homosexuals are dangerous. They proselytize. They come to the door, and if your son answers and nobody is there to stop it, they grab the son and run off with him. They steal him. They take him away and turn him into a homosexual.” Sheldon later denied that he made the comments, but his website today includes strikingly similar language: “[S]ince homosexuals can’t reproduce, they will simply go after your children for seduction and conversion to homosexuality.” Elsewhere, it claims that “[t]he effort to push adult/child sex … is part of the overall homosexual movement.”
The TVC also asserts that “it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts” — a falsehood based on conflating male-male molestation with homosexuality. Gays, it says, molest children at “epidemic rates,” adding: “As homosexuals continue to make inroads into public schools, more children will be molested and indoctrinated into the world of homosexuality. Many of them will die in that world.” With regard to LGBT teen suicides, TVC, under the headline “Homosexual Urban Legends,” claims that “[t]he cold, hard fact is that teens who are struggling with homosexual feelings are more likely to be sexually molested by a homosexual school counselor or teacher than to commit suicide over their feelings of despair.”
The TVC also makes assertions on its website about disproportionate homosexual pedophilia and attacks the idea that people are born gay and the claim that gays want the right to marry for the same reasons that heterosexuals do — the TVC suggests the real purpose of marriage equality is to destroy the concept of marriage and ultimately replace it altogether with group sex and polygamy."
:Traditional Values Coalition is an extremist hate group spreading know falsehoods about entire class of people, fomenting hate and violence all as a supposedly "Christian" organization. That is the tension that should be reported in the Lead per WP:Lead. Insomesia ( talk) 20:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the four year old POV tag as this article has changed substantially since May 2008. This tag is meant as a temporary measure to stimulate discussion and editing. It should not be added unless the editor adding it has specific reasons and is willing to discuss them here. – MrX 18:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The addition of templates {{LGBT}} and {{discrimination}} is contested for this and other related articles. The discussion is occurring here: Talk:American Family Association#Navboxes – MrX 20:39, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Bbuonocore ( talk) 01:45, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
As of September 2017, the TVC's website appears to have gone dark. www.traditionalvalues.org was the organization's web address. Does anyone know anything about this? For example, does TVC have a new web address? Is their website temporarily offline due to technical or business issues? Have they decided to close their website indefinitely? Or is the organization defunct? Andrea Parton ( talk) 14:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
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