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I'd like to create a consensus around the question of whether the Toucouleur are a branch of the Fula or not, rather than engage in an edit war.
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Tamsier, would you please share your sources on the ethnic distinctions between Toucouleur and Fula? You'll find
this article cited in the text that specifically tracks how the distinction between 'Toucouleur' and 'Fulbe' was a colonial construct meant to demean the nomadic Pulaar at the expense of their sedentary neighbors. I don't think we should perpetuate that construct here. Considering that Futa Toro, the homeland of the Toucouleurs, is called 'Futa' which means 'Home of the Fula' (e.g. Futa Jallon, Futa Kingui, etc.), and that the Toucouleur speak Pulaar, what is the clear distinction between the Fula and the Toucouleur that you're trying to draw?
Also, please stop with the personal attacks and POV accusations. I'm just trying to follow the evidence.
Catjacket (
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The first quote does not solve the issue either and adds to the complication.They still did not tell us what they call themselves before other than "it has nothing to do with..." And according to Reyna, Stephen P., (Contri: Elliott Percival Skinner, United States. Regional Economic Development Services Office, West Africa), "Sahelian Social Development." Regional Economic Development Services Office, West Africa, USAID (1980), p. 111:
A possible solution is rewording the lead as follows:
Tell me what you think about that compromise and feel free to make adjustments to the wording. Tamsier ( talk)
Yes, I don't have a problem with that as per weight. As long as the lead makes it clear to the general reader that's not how the Toucouleur referred to themselves as historically, and the new lumping of Toucouleurs with the Fula is a recent phenomenon. The history section has already explained the French naming. Tamsier ( talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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I'd like to create a consensus around the question of whether the Toucouleur are a branch of the Fula or not, rather than engage in an edit war.
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Tamsier, would you please share your sources on the ethnic distinctions between Toucouleur and Fula? You'll find
this article cited in the text that specifically tracks how the distinction between 'Toucouleur' and 'Fulbe' was a colonial construct meant to demean the nomadic Pulaar at the expense of their sedentary neighbors. I don't think we should perpetuate that construct here. Considering that Futa Toro, the homeland of the Toucouleurs, is called 'Futa' which means 'Home of the Fula' (e.g. Futa Jallon, Futa Kingui, etc.), and that the Toucouleur speak Pulaar, what is the clear distinction between the Fula and the Toucouleur that you're trying to draw?
Also, please stop with the personal attacks and POV accusations. I'm just trying to follow the evidence.
Catjacket (
talk) 09:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
The first quote does not solve the issue either and adds to the complication.They still did not tell us what they call themselves before other than "it has nothing to do with..." And according to Reyna, Stephen P., (Contri: Elliott Percival Skinner, United States. Regional Economic Development Services Office, West Africa), "Sahelian Social Development." Regional Economic Development Services Office, West Africa, USAID (1980), p. 111:
A possible solution is rewording the lead as follows:
Tell me what you think about that compromise and feel free to make adjustments to the wording. Tamsier ( talk)
Yes, I don't have a problem with that as per weight. As long as the lead makes it clear to the general reader that's not how the Toucouleur referred to themselves as historically, and the new lumping of Toucouleurs with the Fula is a recent phenomenon. The history section has already explained the French naming. Tamsier ( talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)