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Nice article, just a few notes:
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This is a comment which had been posted on Walter Görlitz's talk page:
In your recent edit to Toronto Croatia, you removed the non-breaking spaces I had put in dates as part of my copy edit. While it's true that MOS:DATEFORMAT doesn't explicitly advocate for these non-breaking spaces, it certainly doesn't advise against them, and near the top of that MOS sub-page it states
Not all situations in which hard spaces or {{ nowrap}} may be appropriate are described.At MOS:NBSP (part of the main MOS page), you will notice the exampleMay{{ nbsp}}2014. That's for a month-year and I would argue that it's even more important to keep a day-month combination from line wrapping. It is also consistent with the many various number-unit pairings. I'll also mention it is a practice at the Guild of Copy Editors to put in these non-breaking spaces which are well-received for good and featured articles. I'd be interested to know any reasons you have for wanting to allow a line break in the middle of a date. – Reidgreg ( talk) 16:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
This was reverted (ie: erased) from the user talk page with the edit summary:
You added them agains various manuals of style and I intentionally ran a script that I knew would apply date manuals of style to the article. Don't do that. ( TW)
@ Walter Görlitz: even if you are running a script, you are still responsible for your edits. I've read the MOS section you quoted ( MOS:DATEFORMAT) and it does not support your argument to remove the non-breaking spaces. I have noted MOS sections and WikiProject practices in favour of non-breaking spaces with dates. Reverting my post to your talk page is a failure to discuss. Therefore I am reverting your edit to this article and restoring the non-breaking spaces. I invite discussion regarding the edit to this article. If edits of this sort are being advised by a script, I strongly advocate that the script be updated in compliance with MOS and described practices. – Reidgreg ( talk) 20:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I'll continue to ignore you, which sounds like an admission of failure-to-discuss. But maybe you're just having a bad day. Regarding the edit:
5could be a particular problem as the "May" could look like the beginning of a new sentence. Setting aside confusion, even having it read smoother is an improvement over something which could give the reader pause.
May
To force bad line breaks, not necessary.A non-breaking space does not force a line break; it prevents one. If you agree that there are such things as "bad line breaks" then which of your examples above is least-bad? Which is most consistent with the examples at MOS:NBSP ? – Reidgreg ( talk) 15:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
A WP:3O has been requested regarding the inclusion of non-breaking spaces in dates. – Reidgreg ( talk) 22:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
This discussion seems like it would be better served at WP:VPT. Consider opening a thread there instead. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 20:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC) |
@ Erpert: Thank you. My interpretation is that this is more of a MOS issue than a technical issue. Although if the MOS issue is in favour of the non-breaking spaces, it would then make sense to address the script used to make such changes. Maybe this should go to the MOS talk page first, just to make sure? @ Walter Görlitz: do you have an opinion? Perhaps you could clarify if your reasoning (or objection) is technical or stylistic? – Reidgreg ( talk) 15:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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Nice article, just a few notes:
If you have any questions or comments, please add them below and {{ ping|Reidgreg}}. Thanks! – Reidgreg ( talk) 19:25, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
This is a comment which had been posted on Walter Görlitz's talk page:
In your recent edit to Toronto Croatia, you removed the non-breaking spaces I had put in dates as part of my copy edit. While it's true that MOS:DATEFORMAT doesn't explicitly advocate for these non-breaking spaces, it certainly doesn't advise against them, and near the top of that MOS sub-page it states
Not all situations in which hard spaces or {{ nowrap}} may be appropriate are described.At MOS:NBSP (part of the main MOS page), you will notice the exampleMay{{ nbsp}}2014. That's for a month-year and I would argue that it's even more important to keep a day-month combination from line wrapping. It is also consistent with the many various number-unit pairings. I'll also mention it is a practice at the Guild of Copy Editors to put in these non-breaking spaces which are well-received for good and featured articles. I'd be interested to know any reasons you have for wanting to allow a line break in the middle of a date. – Reidgreg ( talk) 16:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
This was reverted (ie: erased) from the user talk page with the edit summary:
You added them agains various manuals of style and I intentionally ran a script that I knew would apply date manuals of style to the article. Don't do that. ( TW)
@ Walter Görlitz: even if you are running a script, you are still responsible for your edits. I've read the MOS section you quoted ( MOS:DATEFORMAT) and it does not support your argument to remove the non-breaking spaces. I have noted MOS sections and WikiProject practices in favour of non-breaking spaces with dates. Reverting my post to your talk page is a failure to discuss. Therefore I am reverting your edit to this article and restoring the non-breaking spaces. I invite discussion regarding the edit to this article. If edits of this sort are being advised by a script, I strongly advocate that the script be updated in compliance with MOS and described practices. – Reidgreg ( talk) 20:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I'll continue to ignore you, which sounds like an admission of failure-to-discuss. But maybe you're just having a bad day. Regarding the edit:
5could be a particular problem as the "May" could look like the beginning of a new sentence. Setting aside confusion, even having it read smoother is an improvement over something which could give the reader pause.
May
To force bad line breaks, not necessary.A non-breaking space does not force a line break; it prevents one. If you agree that there are such things as "bad line breaks" then which of your examples above is least-bad? Which is most consistent with the examples at MOS:NBSP ? – Reidgreg ( talk) 15:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
A WP:3O has been requested regarding the inclusion of non-breaking spaces in dates. – Reidgreg ( talk) 22:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
This discussion seems like it would be better served at WP:VPT. Consider opening a thread there instead. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 20:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC) |
@ Erpert: Thank you. My interpretation is that this is more of a MOS issue than a technical issue. Although if the MOS issue is in favour of the non-breaking spaces, it would then make sense to address the script used to make such changes. Maybe this should go to the MOS talk page first, just to make sure? @ Walter Görlitz: do you have an opinion? Perhaps you could clarify if your reasoning (or objection) is technical or stylistic? – Reidgreg ( talk) 15:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)