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On 1 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tornado outbreak of April 1945 to Tornado outbreak of April 12, 1945. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) EggRoll97 ( talk) 23:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Tornado outbreak of April 1945 → Tornado outbreak of April 12, 1945 – Wikipedia normally uses dates in tornado outbreak articles, even when there is only one notable one per month ( Tornado outbreak of December 12-15, 2022, for example.) 69.123.50.215 ( talk) 22:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Master of Time: Per NWS Norman's Top Ten Deadliest Oklahoma Tornadoes (1882-Present) webpage, the tornado is marked as F5 in the "F-Scale" column. To further note, "Grazulis" is only mentioned for the 1947 Woodward tornado (". There is no further attributions to Grazulis on the webpage. Your argument is entirely original research. Also to note, I had exactly what you think is present in the Tornado outbreak of February 12, 1945 article. However, during the GAN, the GA reviewer actually wanted me to note NWS rated those tornadoes as well. On that list, Grazulis is not even mentioned whatsoever. That article btw is almost finished through an FAC, with already two editors in support of promiting it to FA status. We can always get a third-opinion at WP:3O if you still think it should be removed. However, there is now Wikipedia precedent on keeping it.
So, unless you can prove that NWS Norman received that specific F5 rating from Grazulis (despite Grazulis not mentioned regarding the tornado), then there is nothing we can do. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
@ WeatherWriter and Master of Time: Oi, could you resolve this here instead of edit warring over it? WeatherWriter, if the F5 rating is based on an NWS Norman assessment, you should provide a source saying so. The cited sources here say it was an F5, but doesn't say who provided it (e.g. that it was indeed from Norman and not Grazulis or Fujita). TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
The National Weather Service in Norman, Oklahoma noted the Antlers, Oklahoma tornado was F5 on the Fujita scale, which makes that tornado’s rating an official/unofficial rating, since it is a rating mentioned by the National Weather Service before 1950.” That statement is true, and with what happened on the February 1945 outbreak article during the GAN, the “official/unofficial” part is actually needed. The source is from NWS Norman (true). The source says F5 on the Fujita scale (true). NWS Norman is the only group authorized to officially rated tornadoes in the area of this tornado (true). That statement says all of those. I am strongly opposed to removing the source and statement entirely, since it is a fact that on an NWS Norman website, the tornado is marked as an F5. Whether they rated it or note does not change the fact that a NOAA website has it listed as an F5 tornado. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 18:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
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On 1 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tornado outbreak of April 1945 to Tornado outbreak of April 12, 1945. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) EggRoll97 ( talk) 23:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Tornado outbreak of April 1945 → Tornado outbreak of April 12, 1945 – Wikipedia normally uses dates in tornado outbreak articles, even when there is only one notable one per month ( Tornado outbreak of December 12-15, 2022, for example.) 69.123.50.215 ( talk) 22:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Master of Time: Per NWS Norman's Top Ten Deadliest Oklahoma Tornadoes (1882-Present) webpage, the tornado is marked as F5 in the "F-Scale" column. To further note, "Grazulis" is only mentioned for the 1947 Woodward tornado (". There is no further attributions to Grazulis on the webpage. Your argument is entirely original research. Also to note, I had exactly what you think is present in the Tornado outbreak of February 12, 1945 article. However, during the GAN, the GA reviewer actually wanted me to note NWS rated those tornadoes as well. On that list, Grazulis is not even mentioned whatsoever. That article btw is almost finished through an FAC, with already two editors in support of promiting it to FA status. We can always get a third-opinion at WP:3O if you still think it should be removed. However, there is now Wikipedia precedent on keeping it.
So, unless you can prove that NWS Norman received that specific F5 rating from Grazulis (despite Grazulis not mentioned regarding the tornado), then there is nothing we can do. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
@ WeatherWriter and Master of Time: Oi, could you resolve this here instead of edit warring over it? WeatherWriter, if the F5 rating is based on an NWS Norman assessment, you should provide a source saying so. The cited sources here say it was an F5, but doesn't say who provided it (e.g. that it was indeed from Norman and not Grazulis or Fujita). TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
The National Weather Service in Norman, Oklahoma noted the Antlers, Oklahoma tornado was F5 on the Fujita scale, which makes that tornado’s rating an official/unofficial rating, since it is a rating mentioned by the National Weather Service before 1950.” That statement is true, and with what happened on the February 1945 outbreak article during the GAN, the “official/unofficial” part is actually needed. The source is from NWS Norman (true). The source says F5 on the Fujita scale (true). NWS Norman is the only group authorized to officially rated tornadoes in the area of this tornado (true). That statement says all of those. I am strongly opposed to removing the source and statement entirely, since it is a fact that on an NWS Norman website, the tornado is marked as an F5. Whether they rated it or note does not change the fact that a NOAA website has it listed as an F5 tornado. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 18:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)