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In the infobox it says the fastest lap is the Renault f1. Shouldn't it be a BAE sea harrier? Anish9807 ( talk) 21:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I added a time for Mercedes CLK 63 Black series. As Clarkson said in his 2008 film - Thriller, it took it 1 minute 26 seconds to get around the track.
I think the names of the corners on the diagram need updating, as it is missing a few. The names can be found here: Top Gear Test Track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.56.193 ( talk) 21:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
There are two lap times for the Enzo (one of which was in the wet) but in series 5, episode 2, which was the only episode where a lap time was set, there was only only one lap and it was in the dry. Where is this wet Enzo lap coming from? Chaparral2J ( talk) 15:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Top Gear keep the F1 lap times on a separate board. Should we not? Mark83 ( talk) 10:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The use of references (appearing as numbers) to describe wet tracks etc. is very unclear. Would symbols or just W or VW - i.e. Wet or Very Wet not be much clearer? Mark83 ( talk) 10:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Now this page is about the track and not Top Gear as a programme would there be any objections if I included a section detaling times set without BBC sponsorship? Meio ( talk) 12:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd be OK with including the time in a new section as was agreed a while ago. However don't include comments about a "poor relationship" - because despite your quotes provided it is still OR. It seems likely from them that a poor relationship exists - but it is neither explained why or certain & verifiable. Mark83 ( talk) 12:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. Comments? Meio ( talk) 21:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the BAE entry requires a little further comment or explanation, it is a kind of strange thing to have on a car test track. 203.129.39.88 ( talk) 10:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I was of the understanding that the Non-Qualifying Board was for "cars" that were tested, then unceremoniously thrown off for reasons stated by the presenters (and the two "cars" that were tested "unofficially" by other parties not related to Top Gear). So when I saw the Prodrive P2 there, I re-checked the episode in particular (Series 8 Episode 5; 4 June 2006) and nowhere did either Jeremy or Richard state that the can did not qualify to be on the board. Only that Jeremy lamenting that Prodrive can't be bothered to produce it. So tell me, unless I missed it somewhere in the show, where the car was taken off and a reason stated.-- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 09:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Given today's rash of anons adding the unsourced lap time for the car (and even external reporting/linkage from Autoblog), I've semi-protected the article for 48 hours. When the block expires, the actual power lap should have been aired on the show. -- Madchester ( talk) 20:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Clarkson clearly says in the episode concerning the Koenigsegg CCX magnet time whatever is written with "Top Gear Wing." The fact that this is not reflected in the article is stupid and smacks of revisionism. Yes technically it's a Spoiler, but considering that the Episode came before the website, the Episode trumps any "revision" of the correct terminology. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 13:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to add national flags to the list of times. There's no particular reason for this; I just wanted to. It won't hurt, so there's no problem. This may prove controversial with some cars, but I'll use what wikipedia says as a guideline, assuming our fellow users have already done the legwork. Alex Holowczak ( talk) 12:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The Lotus Exige (taken round the track in season 4 episode 1) has the wrong time posted on the Power Lap board.
The time Jeremy Clarkson says the car recorded is 1:26.9, but because of sloppy writing appears on the board as 1:26.4. To verify this information please review season 4 episode 1 at the 58min 48sec mark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.76.233 ( talk) 18:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Removed flags per MOS:FLAG, changed times for SL55 AMG and Esprit V8 to time on website (time given in the episodes lacked decimals), changed time for Vauxhall VXR8 to the correct time of 1.31.3., moved some wrongly placed cars, removed the (I assume) tractors, and times for cars driven by Clarkson, Hammond and May as they shouldn't be part of the power board, slapped a {{cn}} on times not on the website so we know which cars should have footnotes on where they appeared, and completed <li>-tags. -- aktsu ( t / c) 22:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Right, raided the BBCWorldwide and Top Gear channels on Youtube, and added some references (3 of them). But i'm already getting annoyed at the load times, so if anyone else wants to take a stab, here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BBCWorldwide&view=videos http://www.youtube.com/user/TopGear
Cheers. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 02:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
What is the notability of this article? Top Gear is clearly notable but it's test track? all of the sources are primary except for two that are trivial and descriptive. Where are the secondary sources? even if it remains the article needs massive clean-up. The massive trivial lists of track times beggars belief. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 18:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Nobody had provide anything sensible to explain why every time has to be listed just lots of hand waving. --
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Right, focus on cleanup of article now due to non-response of complainant. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 04:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
LEVE THE THE SECOND KONIGSES CCX WITH THE TOP GEAR WING ALONE (IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT WILL BE RIGHT IN WIKIPEDIA ITS THIS)
IN THE SHOW IT IS THE TOP GEAR WING
SO IT WILL BE THE TOP GEAR WING ENRY TIME IT IS MENTIONED
LEVE IT ALONE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.174.192 ( talk) 23:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Should the Avantine and Astra be part of the official timing boards? The rules of the board state that a car cannot be a modified version of a car, meaning the Avantine(heavily modified before catching fire) and the Police standard Astra (power enhanced) should be on the non qualifying boards. I know the Konegggsegg is modified as well, but they let it bend the rules like they did with JK on the SINRPC 82.19.1.50 ( talk) 11:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Unless it hits the board (even if it is thrown off due to the Non-Qualifying rule) it doesn't count. Period. The Avantine will count seeing that Clarkson did slap it onto the board, but the Astra and the other cheap cars don't qualify. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 10:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
It was exactly the same time as the gt2, as mentioned in the episode after the one with the two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.130.85.5 ( talk) 07:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
please check the table with the information in Kevin_McCloud and correct whichever is wrong.-- 80.142.177.165 ( talk) 22:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there corroboration for the Ricky Gervais lap? He's not listed here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/celebritylaps.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.90.246 ( talk) 01:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose then that he get removed. I'll do it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonobo4 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie is linking to Bill Bailey's wikipedia page. I have no idea if either has done a lap, but something is awry here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.151 ( talk) 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Under no circumsatces should in joke names be used when adding names to the leader board. Bill Bailey did a lap Angalina Jolie has never stepped foot any where near the Top Gear Studio.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 23:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The Ferrari FXX is currently top of the Power Lap board and 5th of the non-qualifying cars. Clearly it is not road legal and should have been removed from the Power Lap board by the presenters - is this the only reason it is still on the board in this article?
FXX is road legal in a few countries, ok not in USA or UK. Ferrari also sell the FXX models to customers and you need not be a FIA registered racing team to buy one. Also FXX has a softer suspension thus it is not a hardcore racing car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason.nathan ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea for cars from challenges, (e.g. the Vauxhall Astra police car, the £100 cars, and the tractors to be in a seperate board but still with their times, like the non-classified section but called Challenge related cars or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonobo4 ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe it could be wrong in so many items, so I better ask before I edit: The beginning of The Power Board section has quite a few different items when compared to, say, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvcw7lyPsEo time [10:07]. That's just wrong, or am I missing something?
Well, I don't know how "official" the video is, but it is apparently a copy of the original TV footage and it's VERY unlikely if not impossible that is has been tampered in any way relevant to my point. According to its contents it's the episode from November 23 2008, so it's not exactly old. I am, of course, not talking about those items that were possibly added after the video has been made but only those that are still there. I honestly don't see how it could be updated afterwards in such a way that would produce the differences I see between the lap board cut in the video and what's in the article. But I may be wrong in that and that's why I write this. And yes, I admit now, it's not such a mess, it's just: 1)Zonda F convertible being mistaken for the Zonda Clubsport, 2)Veyron and Zonda times swapped 3)Zonda F (coupe) being mistaken for the Zonda F Roadster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.188.85.57 ( talk) 05:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The names off all the guest drivers must be the actuial name of the person and not the In-joke name people were given by the presenters, for what ever reason.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 16:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems pretty obvious to me that we should list the correct name and if they are credited on the board under a different name that should be noted after. For instance James Hewitt is in fact credited as "Well spoken man" on the board and thus that should be noted. This is not about "in jokes", it is about accurately reflecting what is on the boards. If the boards says "Well spoken man" for James Hewitt we should have a note of that. I would be prefectly happy for such notes to be after the table or in the prose somewhere but it certainly needs to be noted. -- LiamE ( talk) 14:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps an entire seperate section? -- Lucy-marie ( talk) 15:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
It detracts from the quality of the table and is cruft. It is also unsightly and reduces understanding of the table to people who are unfamiliar with the In-jokes. -- Lucy-marie ( talk) 15:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The quality of the table is determined by its ease of access to an outsider and its accuracy. The times must be accurate and the names of the individual who set the times must be accurate. Having Angelina Jolie for Bill Bailey is inaccurate as it was not Angelina Jolie who set the time. having "well-spoken man" is also bad as it creates confusion to outsiders, thus reducing access to a person unfamiliar with top gear. If the In-jokes are to be included then it should be in its own section referring to the directly the in jokes and explaining them or not at all in my opinion. I am willing to compromise and have them in the pros regarding each car as was reverted before. Inclusion in the table is poor style and unsightly and reduces accessibility to an outsider who is unfamiliar with top gear as it creates unnecessary confusion. This article is also not a commentary on the happenings with the top gear episodes.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 16:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The board must not represent in-jokes within the show as an outsider will not understand why "well-spoken man" is next to the name or why Angelina Jolie is used instead of Bill Bailey. That is why having the addition is confusing. If i was to put on the board Lucy-Marie as a name over say Denise Van Outen. That could be claimed to be an in-joke. No one except me would understand it but it would still be an in-joke and under your reasoning would be acceptable. To avoid confusion to an outsider as to whom exactly did each lap then only the name and no annotation should be used. Otherwise the table would be confusing as an outsider wouldn't know why the annotations were there in the first place. The whole article must be easily accesable and avoid all confusion where possible to an outsider the annotations both add confusion and decrease accesability to an outsider as they wouldn't understand the in-jokes.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 18:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
If the information is to be included in a footnote then an explanation of the footnote is needed as well eg Lionel Richie listed as Rich Tea as Clarkson couldn't spell Lionel.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 22:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I just removed the Rubens Barrichello time from the F1 drivers section. I don't know if this has been revealed anywhere yet but as the show won't air in the UK until tomorrow (11.07.2010) I didn't think it should be on display yet. I would prefer to be able to not find out the times until the show airs and I'm sure there are others. If there is a majority of people who would prefer that the times are displayed before the show airs then that's fine but I don't see any discussion either way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.215.69 ( talk) 13:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Simplest thing to do is to add the information once the show is broadcast then there is a reliable source for the information.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 13:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Илюхина Камри removed from the lap times. This looks like spam as it is not on the BBC website, and translates as Ilyukhin Camry, which is not a car, as far as im aware. If it is something not yet broadcast please note this and provide some evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.193.149 ( talk) 18:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
IIRC the Harrier pilot is named in Ben Collins' book, but I can't remember what he's called. I'll try to remember to look it up. Mr Larrington ( talk) 14:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
According to this discussion [2], started by user Lucy-Marie, and eventually taken up on the page, we *must* have real names in the leaderboard, not joke names - even when credited as such continuously throughought the series (such as "Well spoken man", or "Angelina Jolie").
Now that The White Stig's identity is known, as is The Black Stig's, we should follow that convention which has been applied to the other leaderboards. Following Lucy-Maries commandments to the letter, we should really remove "The Stig" altogether, and simply replace Stig with Ben Collins, or Perry McCarthy. However, I don't think that will come to pass. As a compromise, I suggest that both names are present - White Stig/Ben Collins, and Black Stig/Perry McCarthy.
They should not be included as they are not relevant to the actual lap. The identity of the Stig has never been confirmed on the show so when the lap was done by one of two previous Stigs they were anonymous. The identities of the Stig are covered in great length on the Stig article. There are also no additions of this manner to any other parts of the article such "in joke" names given to people who have completed laps.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 22:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
No, you have not said that. You have repeatedly stated that the tables must contain real names, as referenced above, a demand which was agreed upon, and enforced throughout the article. Now you are going against your own apparent desire for simplicity by wanting the opposite - you want the real names as footnotes, and the alias as a list entry. You have at least two editors who disagree with you and think that the list should be of the alias followed by the real name in brackets. This is not democracy, nor is it mob rule, it is a (small) consensus of 2 versus 1. Until said consensus shifts away from that - and by that I mean through valid talk page input, not mindless reverting, with generic and unhelpful "vandalism" edit summaries, then the names stay, and you risk the vandalism tag being applied to you should you repeatedly remove them. And once again, I believe that for cleanness [sic] and simplicity the list should contain the alias followed by the real name in brackets, to clarify to readers (at a glance) who are not so familiar with Top Gear why there are two different entries for the Stig. a_man_alone ( talk) 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, this is becoming a bit of joke. There is nothing wrong with adding both names. Full stop. It isn't confusing, it isn't an "in-joke" really, it's been widely publicised. People reading this particular article will be well aware, and if they're not, that's what wikilinks are for. Come on folks, we're wasting far too much time on these petty disputes. The Rambling Man ( talk) 15:38, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
So, this might be a bit "out there"... but why do we need every celebrities lap time on here exactly? It's not exactly encyclopedic or notable information. It just looks like fan information - sourced to the episodes. I say drop the lot :) Worm TT 14:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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The Caparo wiki-article states:
"On November 11, 2007, the T1 surpassed the Top Gear Power Board leader's time of 1:17.6, then held by the Koenigsegg CCX, with a time of 1:10.6. Immediately after having declared the time and placed it on the Power Board, presenter Jeremy Clarkson removed the record because it did not meet the show's rule that the car must be able to go over a speed bump.[3] However, Ben Scott-Geddes of Caparo has stated that, "the model we supplied to Top Gear was one of our final engineering vehicles without adjustable ride height and electronic active driver control systems which are standard on our production models. When drivers select the 'road' setting, the car is more tractable in slower speed conditions and the ride height is fully adjustable to bring the car up to 90 mm clearance, making it more than capable of driving over speed bumps."[19]"
That's not quite the same as "The Caparo T1 was subsequently modified to have adjustable ride height with a 'road' setting that can clear speed bumps." from this article.
I'd suggest "Caparo have stated that the T1 tested was a late prototype without the adjustable ride height which allows production models to clear speed bumps." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.107.247 ( talk) 15:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I Changed the link from the City to the Band as it's named after them and not the windy city itself (Most of the original names are music related), I'm sure it's on the BBC site. Should it be linked at all though as linking it away in this case could be slightly confusing as I doubt the article linked mentions the corner (I Didn't read through the whole article on the Band Chicago.( Morcus ( talk) 03:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC))
Alice Cooper's time of 1:56.3 (wet and automatic) can be added to the Kia Cee'd leader-board — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frereleo ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Out of a desire for neatness, wouldn't it be better if this article was entitled something like "The Dunsfold Park Circuit" or whatever its' real name is which would provided a neutral point for the history and users outside of Top Gear, then a major section of the article could be devoted to the track's usage as the Top Gear Test Track....Just thinking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.154.63.2 ( talk) 14:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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Remove 2nd and 3rd external sources. The 2nd one goes to a deleted page on the Top Gear website and the 3rd one goes to a now non-existent website.
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Per the 31 July 2011 episode of Top Gear (Season 17, Episode 06) the lap time for the Lotus T125 Exos was 1:03.8 and I would like to add this to the "
Lap times of non-qualifying vehicles" section.
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Edit: Actually, didn't see it there...but it does need to be reordered because the ranking doesn't match up with the descending lap times. Aslaveofaudio ( talk) 01:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Do you think there should be an indication of which "Stig" set which time on the Power Lap board. Due to the Stig's anonymity, it's impossible to judge if any one "Stig" is/was a better driver than the other two. However, because there is a possibility the Stigs' driving abilities are different, I think it is worth noting. JakeH07 ( talk) 17:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Might it be reasonable to have the time boards in an separate article just devoted to that? As is this article seems cluttered with them and discussion of the various caveats. Perhaps keep mention of record performances in this article and have the full listings and discussion moved to the new article page the likes of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Motor_Speedway_race_results — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.178.20 ( talk) 18:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
It had REALLY appeared in FM4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.94.40.167 ( talk) 08:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Over the past few days there have been some changes to the Liana leaderboard, with one of the changes reverted, the edit summary for the reversion stating "Times as shown and in the order as shown on the Top Gear website". When I checked the episodes, I found the reverted changes were actually reflecting what was shown in the episodes, so it appears that the website and the episodes have gotten out of sync somewhere. Because of this I went right back through all episodes to find correct figures, which are reflected below:
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Interestingly, some of the figures were changed over time. For example, Terry Wogan's time was originally listed as 2:04, but was later changed to 2.03.4. I don't know why, but what the current version of the article reflects the times as they were announced and shown in each episode. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 12:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Something else that I found interesting was that over time, there was some re-ordering of names, and in some episodes some names had been removed from the board. For example, in one episode Susannah Constantine had been removed but was present in episodes before and after that one. Perhaps they were removed to make room. The list above represents the order gleaned from several episodes, starting at the most recent and working back through time, which was necessary because obviously they don't show every part of the leaderboard each episode. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Cant think how at the moment, but surely this should be added to the article somewhere? http://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/dec/04/broadcasting.bbc Narom ( talk) 13:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
I recently removed several irrelevant bits of trivia from the leaderboards, but was reverted. I contend that what is actually written on the "Star..." board is irrelevant, and constitutes trivia. What is relevant is the name of the person and the conditions. It is not relevant that Peta Todd is put on the board as "Peta 23 from Essex", or that the weather was described as "fucking wet". We are not here to act as interpreters between Clarksonese and English, we are here to report relevant facts. - mattbuck ( Talk) 10:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't the PNG map image swapped with the SVG ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Top_Gear_test_track-en.svg, or a segment of it) for better quality? 89.0.44.92 ( talk) 19:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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The names of celebrities which were written on the board in show should not be included here as it just cruft and an in joke, which is unknown to those outside the world of Top Gear, it also detracts from the article meeting the Manual of Style and being Written in a neutral point of view. Sport and politics ( talk) 00:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
That's fair enough, a cogent point put forward by Chaheel. It all seems a bit well, odd. I think that the alternate names should be in footnotes, along with all of the other descriptors. FW though is just saying Fucking wet, and being euphemistic. Euphemisms should not be included as that s just a confusion. Sport and politics ( talk) 20:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The article currently leaves the impression, that Dunsfold Circuit had been some Lotus factory test track, before Top Gear started using it also. Jeremy Clarkson however claims that he had the idea of using some old airfield for Top Gear first, and after they had secured the use of Dunsfold "a Lotus test driver called Gavan Kershaw" laid out the course specifically for that purpose. BjKa ( talk) 00:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the infobox it says the fastest lap is the Renault f1. Shouldn't it be a BAE sea harrier? Anish9807 ( talk) 21:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I added a time for Mercedes CLK 63 Black series. As Clarkson said in his 2008 film - Thriller, it took it 1 minute 26 seconds to get around the track.
I think the names of the corners on the diagram need updating, as it is missing a few. The names can be found here: Top Gear Test Track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.56.193 ( talk) 21:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
There are two lap times for the Enzo (one of which was in the wet) but in series 5, episode 2, which was the only episode where a lap time was set, there was only only one lap and it was in the dry. Where is this wet Enzo lap coming from? Chaparral2J ( talk) 15:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Top Gear keep the F1 lap times on a separate board. Should we not? Mark83 ( talk) 10:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The use of references (appearing as numbers) to describe wet tracks etc. is very unclear. Would symbols or just W or VW - i.e. Wet or Very Wet not be much clearer? Mark83 ( talk) 10:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Now this page is about the track and not Top Gear as a programme would there be any objections if I included a section detaling times set without BBC sponsorship? Meio ( talk) 12:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd be OK with including the time in a new section as was agreed a while ago. However don't include comments about a "poor relationship" - because despite your quotes provided it is still OR. It seems likely from them that a poor relationship exists - but it is neither explained why or certain & verifiable. Mark83 ( talk) 12:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. Comments? Meio ( talk) 21:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the BAE entry requires a little further comment or explanation, it is a kind of strange thing to have on a car test track. 203.129.39.88 ( talk) 10:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I was of the understanding that the Non-Qualifying Board was for "cars" that were tested, then unceremoniously thrown off for reasons stated by the presenters (and the two "cars" that were tested "unofficially" by other parties not related to Top Gear). So when I saw the Prodrive P2 there, I re-checked the episode in particular (Series 8 Episode 5; 4 June 2006) and nowhere did either Jeremy or Richard state that the can did not qualify to be on the board. Only that Jeremy lamenting that Prodrive can't be bothered to produce it. So tell me, unless I missed it somewhere in the show, where the car was taken off and a reason stated.-- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 09:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Given today's rash of anons adding the unsourced lap time for the car (and even external reporting/linkage from Autoblog), I've semi-protected the article for 48 hours. When the block expires, the actual power lap should have been aired on the show. -- Madchester ( talk) 20:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Clarkson clearly says in the episode concerning the Koenigsegg CCX magnet time whatever is written with "Top Gear Wing." The fact that this is not reflected in the article is stupid and smacks of revisionism. Yes technically it's a Spoiler, but considering that the Episode came before the website, the Episode trumps any "revision" of the correct terminology. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 13:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to add national flags to the list of times. There's no particular reason for this; I just wanted to. It won't hurt, so there's no problem. This may prove controversial with some cars, but I'll use what wikipedia says as a guideline, assuming our fellow users have already done the legwork. Alex Holowczak ( talk) 12:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The Lotus Exige (taken round the track in season 4 episode 1) has the wrong time posted on the Power Lap board.
The time Jeremy Clarkson says the car recorded is 1:26.9, but because of sloppy writing appears on the board as 1:26.4. To verify this information please review season 4 episode 1 at the 58min 48sec mark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.76.233 ( talk) 18:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Removed flags per MOS:FLAG, changed times for SL55 AMG and Esprit V8 to time on website (time given in the episodes lacked decimals), changed time for Vauxhall VXR8 to the correct time of 1.31.3., moved some wrongly placed cars, removed the (I assume) tractors, and times for cars driven by Clarkson, Hammond and May as they shouldn't be part of the power board, slapped a {{cn}} on times not on the website so we know which cars should have footnotes on where they appeared, and completed <li>-tags. -- aktsu ( t / c) 22:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Right, raided the BBCWorldwide and Top Gear channels on Youtube, and added some references (3 of them). But i'm already getting annoyed at the load times, so if anyone else wants to take a stab, here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BBCWorldwide&view=videos http://www.youtube.com/user/TopGear
Cheers. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 02:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
What is the notability of this article? Top Gear is clearly notable but it's test track? all of the sources are primary except for two that are trivial and descriptive. Where are the secondary sources? even if it remains the article needs massive clean-up. The massive trivial lists of track times beggars belief. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 18:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Nobody had provide anything sensible to explain why every time has to be listed just lots of hand waving. --
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Right, focus on cleanup of article now due to non-response of complainant. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 04:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
LEVE THE THE SECOND KONIGSES CCX WITH THE TOP GEAR WING ALONE (IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT WILL BE RIGHT IN WIKIPEDIA ITS THIS)
IN THE SHOW IT IS THE TOP GEAR WING
SO IT WILL BE THE TOP GEAR WING ENRY TIME IT IS MENTIONED
LEVE IT ALONE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.174.192 ( talk) 23:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Should the Avantine and Astra be part of the official timing boards? The rules of the board state that a car cannot be a modified version of a car, meaning the Avantine(heavily modified before catching fire) and the Police standard Astra (power enhanced) should be on the non qualifying boards. I know the Konegggsegg is modified as well, but they let it bend the rules like they did with JK on the SINRPC 82.19.1.50 ( talk) 11:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Unless it hits the board (even if it is thrown off due to the Non-Qualifying rule) it doesn't count. Period. The Avantine will count seeing that Clarkson did slap it onto the board, but the Astra and the other cheap cars don't qualify. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx ( talk) 10:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
It was exactly the same time as the gt2, as mentioned in the episode after the one with the two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.130.85.5 ( talk) 07:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
please check the table with the information in Kevin_McCloud and correct whichever is wrong.-- 80.142.177.165 ( talk) 22:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there corroboration for the Ricky Gervais lap? He's not listed here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/celebritylaps.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.90.246 ( talk) 01:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose then that he get removed. I'll do it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonobo4 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie is linking to Bill Bailey's wikipedia page. I have no idea if either has done a lap, but something is awry here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.151 ( talk) 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Under no circumsatces should in joke names be used when adding names to the leader board. Bill Bailey did a lap Angalina Jolie has never stepped foot any where near the Top Gear Studio.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 23:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The Ferrari FXX is currently top of the Power Lap board and 5th of the non-qualifying cars. Clearly it is not road legal and should have been removed from the Power Lap board by the presenters - is this the only reason it is still on the board in this article?
FXX is road legal in a few countries, ok not in USA or UK. Ferrari also sell the FXX models to customers and you need not be a FIA registered racing team to buy one. Also FXX has a softer suspension thus it is not a hardcore racing car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason.nathan ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea for cars from challenges, (e.g. the Vauxhall Astra police car, the £100 cars, and the tractors to be in a seperate board but still with their times, like the non-classified section but called Challenge related cars or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonobo4 ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe it could be wrong in so many items, so I better ask before I edit: The beginning of The Power Board section has quite a few different items when compared to, say, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvcw7lyPsEo time [10:07]. That's just wrong, or am I missing something?
Well, I don't know how "official" the video is, but it is apparently a copy of the original TV footage and it's VERY unlikely if not impossible that is has been tampered in any way relevant to my point. According to its contents it's the episode from November 23 2008, so it's not exactly old. I am, of course, not talking about those items that were possibly added after the video has been made but only those that are still there. I honestly don't see how it could be updated afterwards in such a way that would produce the differences I see between the lap board cut in the video and what's in the article. But I may be wrong in that and that's why I write this. And yes, I admit now, it's not such a mess, it's just: 1)Zonda F convertible being mistaken for the Zonda Clubsport, 2)Veyron and Zonda times swapped 3)Zonda F (coupe) being mistaken for the Zonda F Roadster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.188.85.57 ( talk) 05:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The names off all the guest drivers must be the actuial name of the person and not the In-joke name people were given by the presenters, for what ever reason.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 16:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems pretty obvious to me that we should list the correct name and if they are credited on the board under a different name that should be noted after. For instance James Hewitt is in fact credited as "Well spoken man" on the board and thus that should be noted. This is not about "in jokes", it is about accurately reflecting what is on the boards. If the boards says "Well spoken man" for James Hewitt we should have a note of that. I would be prefectly happy for such notes to be after the table or in the prose somewhere but it certainly needs to be noted. -- LiamE ( talk) 14:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps an entire seperate section? -- Lucy-marie ( talk) 15:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
It detracts from the quality of the table and is cruft. It is also unsightly and reduces understanding of the table to people who are unfamiliar with the In-jokes. -- Lucy-marie ( talk) 15:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The quality of the table is determined by its ease of access to an outsider and its accuracy. The times must be accurate and the names of the individual who set the times must be accurate. Having Angelina Jolie for Bill Bailey is inaccurate as it was not Angelina Jolie who set the time. having "well-spoken man" is also bad as it creates confusion to outsiders, thus reducing access to a person unfamiliar with top gear. If the In-jokes are to be included then it should be in its own section referring to the directly the in jokes and explaining them or not at all in my opinion. I am willing to compromise and have them in the pros regarding each car as was reverted before. Inclusion in the table is poor style and unsightly and reduces accessibility to an outsider who is unfamiliar with top gear as it creates unnecessary confusion. This article is also not a commentary on the happenings with the top gear episodes.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 16:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The board must not represent in-jokes within the show as an outsider will not understand why "well-spoken man" is next to the name or why Angelina Jolie is used instead of Bill Bailey. That is why having the addition is confusing. If i was to put on the board Lucy-Marie as a name over say Denise Van Outen. That could be claimed to be an in-joke. No one except me would understand it but it would still be an in-joke and under your reasoning would be acceptable. To avoid confusion to an outsider as to whom exactly did each lap then only the name and no annotation should be used. Otherwise the table would be confusing as an outsider wouldn't know why the annotations were there in the first place. The whole article must be easily accesable and avoid all confusion where possible to an outsider the annotations both add confusion and decrease accesability to an outsider as they wouldn't understand the in-jokes.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 18:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
If the information is to be included in a footnote then an explanation of the footnote is needed as well eg Lionel Richie listed as Rich Tea as Clarkson couldn't spell Lionel.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 22:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I just removed the Rubens Barrichello time from the F1 drivers section. I don't know if this has been revealed anywhere yet but as the show won't air in the UK until tomorrow (11.07.2010) I didn't think it should be on display yet. I would prefer to be able to not find out the times until the show airs and I'm sure there are others. If there is a majority of people who would prefer that the times are displayed before the show airs then that's fine but I don't see any discussion either way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.215.69 ( talk) 13:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Simplest thing to do is to add the information once the show is broadcast then there is a reliable source for the information.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 13:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Илюхина Камри removed from the lap times. This looks like spam as it is not on the BBC website, and translates as Ilyukhin Camry, which is not a car, as far as im aware. If it is something not yet broadcast please note this and provide some evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.193.149 ( talk) 18:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
IIRC the Harrier pilot is named in Ben Collins' book, but I can't remember what he's called. I'll try to remember to look it up. Mr Larrington ( talk) 14:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
According to this discussion [2], started by user Lucy-Marie, and eventually taken up on the page, we *must* have real names in the leaderboard, not joke names - even when credited as such continuously throughought the series (such as "Well spoken man", or "Angelina Jolie").
Now that The White Stig's identity is known, as is The Black Stig's, we should follow that convention which has been applied to the other leaderboards. Following Lucy-Maries commandments to the letter, we should really remove "The Stig" altogether, and simply replace Stig with Ben Collins, or Perry McCarthy. However, I don't think that will come to pass. As a compromise, I suggest that both names are present - White Stig/Ben Collins, and Black Stig/Perry McCarthy.
They should not be included as they are not relevant to the actual lap. The identity of the Stig has never been confirmed on the show so when the lap was done by one of two previous Stigs they were anonymous. The identities of the Stig are covered in great length on the Stig article. There are also no additions of this manner to any other parts of the article such "in joke" names given to people who have completed laps.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 22:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
No, you have not said that. You have repeatedly stated that the tables must contain real names, as referenced above, a demand which was agreed upon, and enforced throughout the article. Now you are going against your own apparent desire for simplicity by wanting the opposite - you want the real names as footnotes, and the alias as a list entry. You have at least two editors who disagree with you and think that the list should be of the alias followed by the real name in brackets. This is not democracy, nor is it mob rule, it is a (small) consensus of 2 versus 1. Until said consensus shifts away from that - and by that I mean through valid talk page input, not mindless reverting, with generic and unhelpful "vandalism" edit summaries, then the names stay, and you risk the vandalism tag being applied to you should you repeatedly remove them. And once again, I believe that for cleanness [sic] and simplicity the list should contain the alias followed by the real name in brackets, to clarify to readers (at a glance) who are not so familiar with Top Gear why there are two different entries for the Stig. a_man_alone ( talk) 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, this is becoming a bit of joke. There is nothing wrong with adding both names. Full stop. It isn't confusing, it isn't an "in-joke" really, it's been widely publicised. People reading this particular article will be well aware, and if they're not, that's what wikilinks are for. Come on folks, we're wasting far too much time on these petty disputes. The Rambling Man ( talk) 15:38, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
So, this might be a bit "out there"... but why do we need every celebrities lap time on here exactly? It's not exactly encyclopedic or notable information. It just looks like fan information - sourced to the episodes. I say drop the lot :) Worm TT 14:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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The Caparo wiki-article states:
"On November 11, 2007, the T1 surpassed the Top Gear Power Board leader's time of 1:17.6, then held by the Koenigsegg CCX, with a time of 1:10.6. Immediately after having declared the time and placed it on the Power Board, presenter Jeremy Clarkson removed the record because it did not meet the show's rule that the car must be able to go over a speed bump.[3] However, Ben Scott-Geddes of Caparo has stated that, "the model we supplied to Top Gear was one of our final engineering vehicles without adjustable ride height and electronic active driver control systems which are standard on our production models. When drivers select the 'road' setting, the car is more tractable in slower speed conditions and the ride height is fully adjustable to bring the car up to 90 mm clearance, making it more than capable of driving over speed bumps."[19]"
That's not quite the same as "The Caparo T1 was subsequently modified to have adjustable ride height with a 'road' setting that can clear speed bumps." from this article.
I'd suggest "Caparo have stated that the T1 tested was a late prototype without the adjustable ride height which allows production models to clear speed bumps." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.107.247 ( talk) 15:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I Changed the link from the City to the Band as it's named after them and not the windy city itself (Most of the original names are music related), I'm sure it's on the BBC site. Should it be linked at all though as linking it away in this case could be slightly confusing as I doubt the article linked mentions the corner (I Didn't read through the whole article on the Band Chicago.( Morcus ( talk) 03:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC))
Alice Cooper's time of 1:56.3 (wet and automatic) can be added to the Kia Cee'd leader-board — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frereleo ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Out of a desire for neatness, wouldn't it be better if this article was entitled something like "The Dunsfold Park Circuit" or whatever its' real name is which would provided a neutral point for the history and users outside of Top Gear, then a major section of the article could be devoted to the track's usage as the Top Gear Test Track....Just thinking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.154.63.2 ( talk) 14:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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Per the 31 July 2011 episode of Top Gear (Season 17, Episode 06) the lap time for the Lotus T125 Exos was 1:03.8 and I would like to add this to the "
Lap times of non-qualifying vehicles" section.
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Edit: Actually, didn't see it there...but it does need to be reordered because the ranking doesn't match up with the descending lap times. Aslaveofaudio ( talk) 01:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Do you think there should be an indication of which "Stig" set which time on the Power Lap board. Due to the Stig's anonymity, it's impossible to judge if any one "Stig" is/was a better driver than the other two. However, because there is a possibility the Stigs' driving abilities are different, I think it is worth noting. JakeH07 ( talk) 17:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Might it be reasonable to have the time boards in an separate article just devoted to that? As is this article seems cluttered with them and discussion of the various caveats. Perhaps keep mention of record performances in this article and have the full listings and discussion moved to the new article page the likes of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Motor_Speedway_race_results — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.178.20 ( talk) 18:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
It had REALLY appeared in FM4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.94.40.167 ( talk) 08:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Over the past few days there have been some changes to the Liana leaderboard, with one of the changes reverted, the edit summary for the reversion stating "Times as shown and in the order as shown on the Top Gear website". When I checked the episodes, I found the reverted changes were actually reflecting what was shown in the episodes, so it appears that the website and the episodes have gotten out of sync somewhere. Because of this I went right back through all episodes to find correct figures, which are reflected below:
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Interestingly, some of the figures were changed over time. For example, Terry Wogan's time was originally listed as 2:04, but was later changed to 2.03.4. I don't know why, but what the current version of the article reflects the times as they were announced and shown in each episode. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 12:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Something else that I found interesting was that over time, there was some re-ordering of names, and in some episodes some names had been removed from the board. For example, in one episode Susannah Constantine had been removed but was present in episodes before and after that one. Perhaps they were removed to make room. The list above represents the order gleaned from several episodes, starting at the most recent and working back through time, which was necessary because obviously they don't show every part of the leaderboard each episode. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 15:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Cant think how at the moment, but surely this should be added to the article somewhere? http://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/dec/04/broadcasting.bbc Narom ( talk) 13:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
I recently removed several irrelevant bits of trivia from the leaderboards, but was reverted. I contend that what is actually written on the "Star..." board is irrelevant, and constitutes trivia. What is relevant is the name of the person and the conditions. It is not relevant that Peta Todd is put on the board as "Peta 23 from Essex", or that the weather was described as "fucking wet". We are not here to act as interpreters between Clarksonese and English, we are here to report relevant facts. - mattbuck ( Talk) 10:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't the PNG map image swapped with the SVG ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Top_Gear_test_track-en.svg, or a segment of it) for better quality? 89.0.44.92 ( talk) 19:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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The names of celebrities which were written on the board in show should not be included here as it just cruft and an in joke, which is unknown to those outside the world of Top Gear, it also detracts from the article meeting the Manual of Style and being Written in a neutral point of view. Sport and politics ( talk) 00:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
That's fair enough, a cogent point put forward by Chaheel. It all seems a bit well, odd. I think that the alternate names should be in footnotes, along with all of the other descriptors. FW though is just saying Fucking wet, and being euphemistic. Euphemisms should not be included as that s just a confusion. Sport and politics ( talk) 20:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The article currently leaves the impression, that Dunsfold Circuit had been some Lotus factory test track, before Top Gear started using it also. Jeremy Clarkson however claims that he had the idea of using some old airfield for Top Gear first, and after they had secured the use of Dunsfold "a Lotus test driver called Gavan Kershaw" laid out the course specifically for that purpose. BjKa ( talk) 00:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)