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This really needs an NPOVing. It's written as a defence of Martin - David Gerard 09:50, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It should be a defence, how can you defend a criminal, if someone breaks the law, time and time again, and then they expect to be covered by it when they get shot, LOGICAL?
In any country run by real men, I'm in support of private firearm ownership, like South Africa or the U.S. we wouldn't be having this argument, we'd be spitting on the stupid burglar and be suing his family for making a mess on Martin's carpet, I'm embarrased to say I'm British when I'm abroad, it's silly, if someone comes into your house, you should shoot them until there's no life left in them. 82.14.70.99 22:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm giving it a go. Removing the more egregious POV stuff and correcting some points of fact and the numerous omissions. -- Minority Report 21:08, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It's rather gone the other way.....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/article/0,2763,214336,00.html says he shot the vehicle of a man scrumping apples, we say (said) that he shot at children. I think we need more sourced material on this one.
12:52, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
It seems these comments are very dated, and the issue at the core, the right of self-defense of one's home does need to be addressed much more. I'm not British, so to an extent it's none of my business, but I am human, and I believe that all humans have a birthright of being able to defend their life, the lives of their families, friends, and even perfect strangers.
I am new to this whole editing thing, and frankly am not sure how much time I may have to donate, nor whether or not I could just write my own 'Friend of the Court' brief, metaphorically speaking, in defense of defense.
The criminal here is not Tony Martin, it's the bad guy and more critically, the government that ruined his life over a legitimate self-defense use of deadly force. KevyKevTPA ( talk) 14:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Darren Bark must have been released by now; do we know when? Barnabypage 16:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Is Tony Martin (farmer) really the best title? After all, it's not his contributions to agriculture which are notable. I don't think there's a word manslaughterer, and Tony Martin (criminal), while accurate, might be seen as deliberately provocative. Any ideas, anyone? Barnabypage 21:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Ha, I was just logging on here to say exactly the same thing. FrFintonStack 17:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
The newspapers say there is supposed to be a 60,000 pound bounty on Martin's head. Anyone know anything about this? Like who exactly is after him? Or is it just irresponsible hearsay journalism? Tragic romance 10:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Barras' extended family called together a 'Kris' or Romany Gypsy council/court. There, it was decided by some senior figures in the local Gypsy community that a bounty should be put on Martin's head. Apparently the money was to be paid upon Martin's death, but I don't know where they were supposed to have got the money from... You can read about this in the chapter "Trial by Jury and Gypsy" of the book "Tony Martin: A Right To Kill", published by Artnik.
Is it fair to characterise Martin was a farmer given he has not returned to farm at Bleak House since his release 6 1/2 years ago?
I wouldn't challenge the title of the article because he is Tony Martin the farmer who killed a burglar but the opening paragraph says Tony Martin is a farmer who etc perhaps it should read a 'former farmer' who etc. Dudley25 ( talk) 17:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Please be sure that all additions to the Tony Martin (farmer) article are verifiable and that any new assertions added to the article should have inline citations for each claim made.
Would anyone else support merging the Brendon Fearon article into this one? Strictly speaking, it's not a case of WP:BLP1E, as he has received some news coverage since the initial event; but I nonetheless think the spirit of that rule should apply, and I'm not convinced he really needs a separate article. Martin and Fearon could (and probably should) satisfactorily be covered as part of the same article, covering the burglary, the legal cases, and other subsequent events. Does anyone think that would be a good idea? Robofish ( talk) 12:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I do not see what is so 'weird' about my extension of the lede (deleted 8/2/13), as a summary of public reaction. There was indeed a great outpouring of support for Martin in principle, tempered by growing reservations about the man and his motives. 109.154.26.148 ( talk) 23:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
PS - the material I added-in was a direct summary of the same topic, as featured in the article. Valetude ( talk) 16:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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This really needs an NPOVing. It's written as a defence of Martin - David Gerard 09:50, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It should be a defence, how can you defend a criminal, if someone breaks the law, time and time again, and then they expect to be covered by it when they get shot, LOGICAL?
In any country run by real men, I'm in support of private firearm ownership, like South Africa or the U.S. we wouldn't be having this argument, we'd be spitting on the stupid burglar and be suing his family for making a mess on Martin's carpet, I'm embarrased to say I'm British when I'm abroad, it's silly, if someone comes into your house, you should shoot them until there's no life left in them. 82.14.70.99 22:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm giving it a go. Removing the more egregious POV stuff and correcting some points of fact and the numerous omissions. -- Minority Report 21:08, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It's rather gone the other way.....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/article/0,2763,214336,00.html says he shot the vehicle of a man scrumping apples, we say (said) that he shot at children. I think we need more sourced material on this one.
12:52, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
It seems these comments are very dated, and the issue at the core, the right of self-defense of one's home does need to be addressed much more. I'm not British, so to an extent it's none of my business, but I am human, and I believe that all humans have a birthright of being able to defend their life, the lives of their families, friends, and even perfect strangers.
I am new to this whole editing thing, and frankly am not sure how much time I may have to donate, nor whether or not I could just write my own 'Friend of the Court' brief, metaphorically speaking, in defense of defense.
The criminal here is not Tony Martin, it's the bad guy and more critically, the government that ruined his life over a legitimate self-defense use of deadly force. KevyKevTPA ( talk) 14:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Darren Bark must have been released by now; do we know when? Barnabypage 16:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Is Tony Martin (farmer) really the best title? After all, it's not his contributions to agriculture which are notable. I don't think there's a word manslaughterer, and Tony Martin (criminal), while accurate, might be seen as deliberately provocative. Any ideas, anyone? Barnabypage 21:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Ha, I was just logging on here to say exactly the same thing. FrFintonStack 17:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
The newspapers say there is supposed to be a 60,000 pound bounty on Martin's head. Anyone know anything about this? Like who exactly is after him? Or is it just irresponsible hearsay journalism? Tragic romance 10:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Barras' extended family called together a 'Kris' or Romany Gypsy council/court. There, it was decided by some senior figures in the local Gypsy community that a bounty should be put on Martin's head. Apparently the money was to be paid upon Martin's death, but I don't know where they were supposed to have got the money from... You can read about this in the chapter "Trial by Jury and Gypsy" of the book "Tony Martin: A Right To Kill", published by Artnik.
Is it fair to characterise Martin was a farmer given he has not returned to farm at Bleak House since his release 6 1/2 years ago?
I wouldn't challenge the title of the article because he is Tony Martin the farmer who killed a burglar but the opening paragraph says Tony Martin is a farmer who etc perhaps it should read a 'former farmer' who etc. Dudley25 ( talk) 17:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Please be sure that all additions to the Tony Martin (farmer) article are verifiable and that any new assertions added to the article should have inline citations for each claim made.
Would anyone else support merging the Brendon Fearon article into this one? Strictly speaking, it's not a case of WP:BLP1E, as he has received some news coverage since the initial event; but I nonetheless think the spirit of that rule should apply, and I'm not convinced he really needs a separate article. Martin and Fearon could (and probably should) satisfactorily be covered as part of the same article, covering the burglary, the legal cases, and other subsequent events. Does anyone think that would be a good idea? Robofish ( talk) 12:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I do not see what is so 'weird' about my extension of the lede (deleted 8/2/13), as a summary of public reaction. There was indeed a great outpouring of support for Martin in principle, tempered by growing reservations about the man and his motives. 109.154.26.148 ( talk) 23:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
PS - the material I added-in was a direct summary of the same topic, as featured in the article. Valetude ( talk) 16:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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