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What was the "unsporting run out" mentioned? Seems silly to make mention of something but provide no details! -- Plattopus 19:06, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
Both Greig and Denness were actually Scottish (O the irony...). Possibly something in the text should briefly mention the unusual qualification arrangements in international cricket to avoid confusion for readers not familiar with the system? Badgerpatrol 09:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Tony Grieg does not like the Austrailai team,. I belive that he is byast to the South Africans and the Engllish when he commentates.
Could somebody please supply details of the incident in, I am sure it was, New Zealand where Greig was bowling and the ball unexpectedly rose very steeply and hit the batsman in the throat, nearly killing him. This incident had a great bearing on Greig's later work promoting the use of batsmen's helmets and, especially the addition of face and throat guards. Also mention should be made of batsman Greig's appearance at the wicket wearing a motorcycle helmet (and, even, perhaps, Bishan Bedi's turban at the World XI match at the M.C.G.). It would seem that the Greig and safety gear aspect is an important issue relating to Greig and his career that should be completed and included by someone with a good knowledge of such things. Lindsay658 06:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
No, that is not the incident I was thinking of -- in fact, I was at the M.C.G. for each magnificent day of the match you refer to, so I can be very certain that what I am referring to was at some other time and some other location (and, moreover, I have not confused it with the incident where Rick McCosker has his jaw broken, also at the M.C.G.). As I remember the incident (which I saw on TV, rather than in person), Tony Greig was bowling and, from his enormous height he had delivered a rather fast ball to somewhere near the batsman's feet and, for some extraordinary reason, the ball came off the pitch almost vertically and struck the batsman in the windpipe. I can't remember whether it was during his time with "official" cricket or his time with "Packer" cricket, nor can I remember whether it was one-day cricket or "longer" cricket, but I do have a strong feeling that the batsman was Kiwi, and I am fairly certain that Greig was the bowler. Lindsay658 00:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this needs more explanation. From England cricket team#Eligibility of players:
So, which part of this rule did Grieg qualify under? He wasn't born in England or Wales, and he hadn't lived there for 4 years prior to selection. It must be that he had British citizenship as well as South African. The fact (if it is a fact) that it was via his father's Scottishness is not the essential information. -- JackofOz ( talk) 22:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Whenever I hear of someone having lung cancer I think, well, if they smoked, it's their own bloody fault. Our Lung cancer article says "Smoking accounts for 80–90% of lung cancer cases". So if we're not told that Greig didn't smoke, can one assume that he did? If he didn't smoke, we would be being nice to him if we said so. HiLo48 ( talk) 09:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
This has gone off somewhat on a branch line. In my initial post I wasn't talking about Greig's death. I was talking about his lung cancer, which may or may not have been related to his death. We certainly don't know that it was at this stage, and I wasn't making any suggestions about that. I was interested in whether he smoked. For what it's worth, smoking is seen as a pretty negative habit in Australia these days. Statistically, on the basis of what proportion of lung cancer cases are caused by smoking, one could be justified in thinking that he probably did. (I certainly won't be the only person to make that connection. Many readers of the article will.) Since that presumption would be a somewhat negative one for his image, if he didn't smoke it would be good to record that fact. So, did he or didn't he? It can hardly be a complete secret. HiLo48 ( talk) 04:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
This is normal English where I come from—London, England—but another user doesn't like it. Could it be a variant problem? Well, Greig played his cricket for England. Rothorpe ( talk) 11:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Quite right, so I've removed the sentence. Thanks! Rothorpe ( talk) 12:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
In the section heading, "around" is acting as an adjective, meaning the same as "he died at approximately 1.45". Using "at around" is acceptable, "at" referring to time and "around" referring to degree of accuracy. WWGB ( talk) 12:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Can folk generally make a New Year's resolution to learn to use colons to indent appropriately, please?
I sort of get that Rothorpe's "Quite right" is a response to HiLo48, in which case it should have had 2 colons - but I had to figure that out from the context.
WWGB's comment seems just isolated from everything else. If it's meant to be a response to Rothorpe's original post, it should be one colon in from it, i.e. at the same level as HiLo's post.
It's pretty simple, really. Let's make life easier for each other. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 21:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section on Tony's personal life? Marriages and children etc? Seems remiss to focus purely on his career - surely his family is important to any discussion of his life. 220.233.43.155 ( talk) 13:05, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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The section "Controversy and triumph in the Caribbean" seems to me to contain some inappropriate editorializing. The very section tittle does not seem to me appropriate, conveying an opnion. Who said this was a triumph? Then we have The incident was controversial – some believing it a black stain on his character, others prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Who are ther "some" and "others" these are unsourced, and so are classic weasel words. A bit later we have It was a measure of his resolve and determination as a cricketer that he dominated the remainder of the series
. That this was a measure ofd his determination is an unsourced opinion. This is the sort of writing that a primary or secondary source might use, but in my view that should not be in a Wikipedia article. i have tagged both sentences inline.
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In a later section, the sentence Greig was well-known among colleagues as a man who wanted to take commercial advantage of his profile as a leading sportsman
also seems to me to be unsourced opinion. Who were these colleagues, and what source sayhs that they knew this about Greig?
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What was the "unsporting run out" mentioned? Seems silly to make mention of something but provide no details! -- Plattopus 19:06, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
Both Greig and Denness were actually Scottish (O the irony...). Possibly something in the text should briefly mention the unusual qualification arrangements in international cricket to avoid confusion for readers not familiar with the system? Badgerpatrol 09:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Tony Grieg does not like the Austrailai team,. I belive that he is byast to the South Africans and the Engllish when he commentates.
Could somebody please supply details of the incident in, I am sure it was, New Zealand where Greig was bowling and the ball unexpectedly rose very steeply and hit the batsman in the throat, nearly killing him. This incident had a great bearing on Greig's later work promoting the use of batsmen's helmets and, especially the addition of face and throat guards. Also mention should be made of batsman Greig's appearance at the wicket wearing a motorcycle helmet (and, even, perhaps, Bishan Bedi's turban at the World XI match at the M.C.G.). It would seem that the Greig and safety gear aspect is an important issue relating to Greig and his career that should be completed and included by someone with a good knowledge of such things. Lindsay658 06:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
No, that is not the incident I was thinking of -- in fact, I was at the M.C.G. for each magnificent day of the match you refer to, so I can be very certain that what I am referring to was at some other time and some other location (and, moreover, I have not confused it with the incident where Rick McCosker has his jaw broken, also at the M.C.G.). As I remember the incident (which I saw on TV, rather than in person), Tony Greig was bowling and, from his enormous height he had delivered a rather fast ball to somewhere near the batsman's feet and, for some extraordinary reason, the ball came off the pitch almost vertically and struck the batsman in the windpipe. I can't remember whether it was during his time with "official" cricket or his time with "Packer" cricket, nor can I remember whether it was one-day cricket or "longer" cricket, but I do have a strong feeling that the batsman was Kiwi, and I am fairly certain that Greig was the bowler. Lindsay658 00:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this needs more explanation. From England cricket team#Eligibility of players:
So, which part of this rule did Grieg qualify under? He wasn't born in England or Wales, and he hadn't lived there for 4 years prior to selection. It must be that he had British citizenship as well as South African. The fact (if it is a fact) that it was via his father's Scottishness is not the essential information. -- JackofOz ( talk) 22:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Whenever I hear of someone having lung cancer I think, well, if they smoked, it's their own bloody fault. Our Lung cancer article says "Smoking accounts for 80–90% of lung cancer cases". So if we're not told that Greig didn't smoke, can one assume that he did? If he didn't smoke, we would be being nice to him if we said so. HiLo48 ( talk) 09:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
This has gone off somewhat on a branch line. In my initial post I wasn't talking about Greig's death. I was talking about his lung cancer, which may or may not have been related to his death. We certainly don't know that it was at this stage, and I wasn't making any suggestions about that. I was interested in whether he smoked. For what it's worth, smoking is seen as a pretty negative habit in Australia these days. Statistically, on the basis of what proportion of lung cancer cases are caused by smoking, one could be justified in thinking that he probably did. (I certainly won't be the only person to make that connection. Many readers of the article will.) Since that presumption would be a somewhat negative one for his image, if he didn't smoke it would be good to record that fact. So, did he or didn't he? It can hardly be a complete secret. HiLo48 ( talk) 04:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
This is normal English where I come from—London, England—but another user doesn't like it. Could it be a variant problem? Well, Greig played his cricket for England. Rothorpe ( talk) 11:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Quite right, so I've removed the sentence. Thanks! Rothorpe ( talk) 12:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
In the section heading, "around" is acting as an adjective, meaning the same as "he died at approximately 1.45". Using "at around" is acceptable, "at" referring to time and "around" referring to degree of accuracy. WWGB ( talk) 12:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Can folk generally make a New Year's resolution to learn to use colons to indent appropriately, please?
I sort of get that Rothorpe's "Quite right" is a response to HiLo48, in which case it should have had 2 colons - but I had to figure that out from the context.
WWGB's comment seems just isolated from everything else. If it's meant to be a response to Rothorpe's original post, it should be one colon in from it, i.e. at the same level as HiLo's post.
It's pretty simple, really. Let's make life easier for each other. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 21:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section on Tony's personal life? Marriages and children etc? Seems remiss to focus purely on his career - surely his family is important to any discussion of his life. 220.233.43.155 ( talk) 13:05, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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The section "Controversy and triumph in the Caribbean" seems to me to contain some inappropriate editorializing. The very section tittle does not seem to me appropriate, conveying an opnion. Who said this was a triumph? Then we have The incident was controversial – some believing it a black stain on his character, others prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Who are ther "some" and "others" these are unsourced, and so are classic weasel words. A bit later we have It was a measure of his resolve and determination as a cricketer that he dominated the remainder of the series
. That this was a measure ofd his determination is an unsourced opinion. This is the sort of writing that a primary or secondary source might use, but in my view that should not be in a Wikipedia article. i have tagged both sentences inline.
DES
(talk)
DESiegel Contribs
12:33, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
In a later section, the sentence Greig was well-known among colleagues as a man who wanted to take commercial advantage of his profile as a leading sportsman
also seems to me to be unsourced opinion. Who were these colleagues, and what source sayhs that they knew this about Greig?
DES
(talk)
DESiegel Contribs
12:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)