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I reverted the addition of Tongva to the extinct languages category. Inasmuch as Tongva descendents speak it, I think it is a little early to call it extinct. If the category were "Languages that are not passed on as birth languages", I'd agree.-- Curtis Clark 05:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I struck:
until it has a reference. It's here waiting to go back into the article. John Elder 04:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I read your article.
I noticed this word root 'nga' meaning 'his/her' right?
If Ashuuk 'Grandmother' and 'nga' 'her' is it right?'
Similar to Inuktitut a.k.a Eskimo-Aleut languages.
Example:
Anaanatsianga meaning 'Her/his grandmother' Anaanatsiaq 'Grandmother' and -nga 'His/her' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haqqalikitaaq ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
This edit removed some material. I don't disagree that, as written, the material was a bit "fluffy", but I'd argue that at least some of it is encyclopedic, and that references exist.
The first statement removed was It was considered to be extinct, but no longer due to revitalization programs developed by UCBerkeley - "Breath of Life". The whole revitalization vs. extinction issue is a can of worms, but "breath of Life" exists, deals with the Tongva language, and is arguably involved with revitalization.
Also removed was These notes are to go into large data base, and hopefully accessible to the public along with other California tribes, except for sacred materials. A Tongva member who belongs to Keepers of Indigenous Ways, host the ongoing classes for the language. The classes have been ongoing since 2004. The hope is to have full emersion someday. UCLA Linguistic Professor Pam Munro who has worked on the Tongva language off and on for over 30 years is the Mentor/teacher of the classes. She will be soon publishing a 26 lesson book and hopefully a "Tongva Dictionary." Keepers of Indigenous Ways is looking for linguist who might be able to help with development of our ongoing revitalization programs. Maps, CDs, videos, songs, games are an ongoing part of the revitalization process. Go to lulu.com for a phrase book. Some of this seems to be sourced from this. I think this is a reliable source with respect to whether the activities exist. If there are no objections, I plan to add back information that can be sourced (probably in a section "Revitalization".-- Curtis Clark ( talk) 17:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the present version includes the sentence:
By my accounting, the early 20th century is not yet 150 years in the past, so this sentence is self-contradictory. Either there were fluent speakers in the early 20th century, or there have not been fluent speakers for the last 150 years (putting us in the mid 19th century), but not both. Which part is true? WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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I reverted the addition of Tongva to the extinct languages category. Inasmuch as Tongva descendents speak it, I think it is a little early to call it extinct. If the category were "Languages that are not passed on as birth languages", I'd agree.-- Curtis Clark 05:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I struck:
until it has a reference. It's here waiting to go back into the article. John Elder 04:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I read your article.
I noticed this word root 'nga' meaning 'his/her' right?
If Ashuuk 'Grandmother' and 'nga' 'her' is it right?'
Similar to Inuktitut a.k.a Eskimo-Aleut languages.
Example:
Anaanatsianga meaning 'Her/his grandmother' Anaanatsiaq 'Grandmother' and -nga 'His/her' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haqqalikitaaq ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
This edit removed some material. I don't disagree that, as written, the material was a bit "fluffy", but I'd argue that at least some of it is encyclopedic, and that references exist.
The first statement removed was It was considered to be extinct, but no longer due to revitalization programs developed by UCBerkeley - "Breath of Life". The whole revitalization vs. extinction issue is a can of worms, but "breath of Life" exists, deals with the Tongva language, and is arguably involved with revitalization.
Also removed was These notes are to go into large data base, and hopefully accessible to the public along with other California tribes, except for sacred materials. A Tongva member who belongs to Keepers of Indigenous Ways, host the ongoing classes for the language. The classes have been ongoing since 2004. The hope is to have full emersion someday. UCLA Linguistic Professor Pam Munro who has worked on the Tongva language off and on for over 30 years is the Mentor/teacher of the classes. She will be soon publishing a 26 lesson book and hopefully a "Tongva Dictionary." Keepers of Indigenous Ways is looking for linguist who might be able to help with development of our ongoing revitalization programs. Maps, CDs, videos, songs, games are an ongoing part of the revitalization process. Go to lulu.com for a phrase book. Some of this seems to be sourced from this. I think this is a reliable source with respect to whether the activities exist. If there are no objections, I plan to add back information that can be sourced (probably in a section "Revitalization".-- Curtis Clark ( talk) 17:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the present version includes the sentence:
By my accounting, the early 20th century is not yet 150 years in the past, so this sentence is self-contradictory. Either there were fluent speakers in the early 20th century, or there have not been fluent speakers for the last 150 years (putting us in the mid 19th century), but not both. Which part is true? WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)