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I keep seeing statements online that Yaxley/Robinson is, or was (depending on how you define the word) of "jewish descent", in an obvious attempt at influencing people's opinions (How or why, I have no idea.) I find no online reference that resolves the issue, and came here and find nothing here, either. It would be constructive to add this information if/when it becomes available. 2605:6000:6947:AB00:754E:2206:73F3:22BB ( talk) 21:14, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
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Change "activist" to "white supremacist". Wsoto59 ( talk) 14:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
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Because if we do, it seems very odd that it isn't mentioned here. If he hadn't been jailed, the demonstration wouldn't have taken place. Stating the facts is not stating that he was directly responsible or could have forseen everything that would happen. Doug Weller talk 12:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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This sentence seems poorly formulated:
He led the EDL from 2009 until 8 October 2013, when he was persuaded to leave the organisation and discuss alternative ways of tackling extremism with the think tank Quilliam
As I understand it, this says that the EDL was a "way of tackling extremism". Considering that the EDL is an extremist organization that uses violence to achieve its racist goals, this seems a bit ironic.
It also seems POV to represent "tackling extremism" as the main goal of Robinson.
I suggest to remove this part. the sentence could look like this:
He led the EDL from 2009 until 8 October 2013, when he was persuaded to leave the organisation for the think tank Quilliam
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Please revert this addition made on 12 June. His passport related conviction is already covered in the final paragraph of the English Defence League section. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:20B4:D63C:EE6B:CE83 ( talk) 15:48, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
He's out and his conviction has been overturned. That isn't so quickly put on here. And all the edits of the article that succeed will be lying about the overturning. 195.11.204.67 ( talk) 18:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Yaxley was released early this morning and was ambushed by newsmedia reporters and cameracrews, as a life-peer chief justice allowed part of his appeal. "Tommy" did not wish to be interviewed, and said, "I have a lot to say, only not to you.", referring to the abnoxious "reporter". Why the article does not reflect this fact despite the dozens of newsreports escapes me. About time to sort this mess out.
@Slatersteven It is not just about one case and I think you were wrong to revert. Please read it a little more slowly. It is about a contempt in Cantebury, another alleged contempt in Leeds yet to be tried, and about significant misunderstandings of the proceedings. These misunderstandings have been expressed on the street and in the media both in the UK and abroad. And on this page. Those have enabled erronious statements about freedom of speach, gagging, solitary confinement to be bandied about. I am very happy to discuss and do not want an edit war. This matter has tet more to run. Jacksoncowes ( talk) 13:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hope not hate said its analysis showed that only 68.1% of the signatures were from the UK, with 9.7% from Australia, and 9.3% from the US. Canada, Germany, France, New Zealand, Netherlands, Sweden and Ireland accounted for the remainder.
I think this sentence is not in neutral voice. The 'only' would implicitly tell the reader that this fact is negative. It can be seen both ways in my opinion. You can also state that the Tommy Robinson case had international response. I do not doubt that the facts Hope not Hate publish be accurate, but that does not mean we have to copy their wording. Hope not Hate hates Tommy Robinson. Therefore I think copying the 'only' is unnecessary and would compromise Wikipedia's neutral voice. I changed it to
The petition showed that Tommy Robinson also had many sympathisers outside of the UK. Hope not hate said its analysis showed that 68.1% of the signatures...
But I am open for other suggestions AntonHogervorst ( talk) 16:45, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
I looked at all the sources present that can be construed as supporting the claim that he is far-right. However, all of the sources calling him far-right actually say that he inherits "being far-right" from leading far-right parties like the English Defence League. He actually resigned from the far-right party when it became far-right. To say that he is far-right, because he was once a leader of a party that is now far-right (which he himself denounces), is a logical fallacy called moving the goalposts. wumbolo ^^^ 21:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
I made an edit to the article, which (1) pointed out that Robinson has denied that he is far right and (2) presented some supporting evidence. The edit included reliable sources. My edit, however, was undone, with the above discussion cited as justification. I do not see how the above justifies undoing my edit. I have therefore reverted the article to after I edited it. If someone believes that my reversion is in appropriate, please explain why, here.
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It is well known that he was a member of the British Nationalist Party, and should be of note in the article.
Make sure to mention he left because it didn't allow his black mate to join, and has only spoken poorly of them in post. 95.16.126.75 ( talk) 16:24, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
"The court had wrongly recorded that Robinson had been sentenced to three months imprisonment suspended for 18 months. In fact he had been committed to prison for three months suspended for 18 months." Datboywithmeme ( talk) 03:37, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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The trial that Robinson was accused of disrupting is over. [5] This makes clear why he was arrested outside Leeds Crown Court, because he was allegedly doing what he was asked not to do in Canterbury, which was jumping the gun on the verdict in a court case and trying to "interview" people as they arrived at the courthouse.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
This is an incredible interview. Tommy says that he was intentionally moved to HM Onley prison and was purposely put in danger. He received constant death threats from prisoners and was forced to be in solitary confinement. Food was brought to him. He had reason to believe that the food would be poisoned and lived on a can of tuna a day & some fruit. (For the first week he did not eat anything) He did not have a television and excrement was thrown onto his window by prisoners. This contradicts claims by the prison services; that he was treated well. Tommy interview -- Jane955 ( talk) 00:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Is the verbal support of Tommy Robinson by Trump Jr. and Bannon irrelevant? Seem pretty high-profile individuals and notable in their own right.
Brought up here since my edits were reverted. -- Bangalamania ( talk) 23:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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Remove category British Zionists. There is no evidence he is one, except his own claims - and as a leader of the Far Right there is every reason to believe he will not support a Jewish state. 213.205.194.230 ( talk) 22:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
"Yaxley-Lennon uses the alias Tommy Robinson," It's ridiculous and biased to use this name and talk this way about Robinson. Proof is it isn't done on *any other* person's Wikipedia article. In the U.K. you can go by any name you wish. And people in the public eye are called by the media by the names they are using. Few people in show business use their real name. 195.11.204.67 ( talk) 19:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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This is reported here in The Independent and is scheduled for December 2018. There is the same problem of WP:CRYSTAL. Watch this space.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Although WP:NOTNEWS applies, I think it is notable enough to mention that he has been hired by the UKIP leader Gerard Batten. [15] [16] Other UKIP members are not keen on Robinson becoming a party member, but this has not happened and current UKIP rules would prevent this. [17]-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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remove FAR RIGHT as it is WRONG 185.65.166.83 ( talk) 18:15, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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19:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)It's not made clear soon enough in this section that the attacker was Darren Osborne. Could go in the first sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.190.139 ( talk) 14:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
The only source that I could find with the "Wayne King" pseudonym was this Huffington Post article so there are worries about WP:V and WP:DUE to give this in the lead section. Is this OK?-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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change (activist) to (antagonist) Genericwannabe ( talk) 10:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Some useful information on his sources of funding
Thanks
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This isn't suitable for the article, but it makes you wonder if some people ever read the newspapers.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:34, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
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I contest that Tommy Robinson is far right. Right wing is more appropriate. 92.1.37.236 ( talk) 22:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
This article has a number of citation issues that will be easier to clean up if it is migrated to list-defined referencing. I propose to do that, unless anybody either beats me to it, or raises objections that are substantive enough to indicate a lack of consensus within a reasonable period of time. Zazpot ( talk) 01:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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- there are other ways but this is simplest - but it should be done.
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unthinkingly to separate list items, but it's still a mistake to do so. Please fix such instance when you see them. The guidance is quite clear: Do not separate list items with line breaks (<br>
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When formatting multiple citations in a footnote, there are several layouts available... However, using line breaks to separate list items breaches WP:Accessibility § Nobreaks:Unless I am mistaken, my remarks above were entirely consistent with that guidance. Zazpot ( talk) 11:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)"Do not separate list items with line breaks (.<br>
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Hi @ Zazpot:, @ Emeraude:, Some of my recent citation improvements are being undone for spurious reasons, reintroducing the very problems we are trying to fix. We need to diligently explain to the offender that links to expired broadcasts do not magically fix themselves and that if you cannot watch the broadcast either on the original site or on an archive page, then you cannot verify the material. We need to stop our necessary work from being frustrated and dragged backwards. Civilised Hatters Fan ( talk) 01:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Civilised Hatters Fan: Hello. Do you have some reason to believe the sourced info you have removed is not accurate? Please review WP:LINKROT. Being offline is doesn't make a source inherently less reliable, and doesn't mean that information is not WP:V. Information from the BBC is presumed reliable, even if it is not convenient. Please discuss here before removing more sources which lack working links. Thank you. Grayfell ( talk) 00:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Change (far–right activist) to (activist), pls. "Far–right" is extremely controversial and emotionally biased. Stop the war pls. Proposal. Add a section TR's opinions and categorize them. Add a subsection Opinions on TR where all the controversial refrenced ballast on him might be balanced (right, far–right, thug, fascist, Nazi, racist, hero, free–speech fighter, anti–islamic, controversial, etc). Thanks. Vlakovod ( talk) 06:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
This keeps getting undone when clearly it IS relevant to the subject of the Syrian refugee. How could this NOT be relevant? It simply includes the headline with a link to the article. -- Princessdawn123 ( talk) 18:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
It really IS relevant. If it doesn't go anywhere then fine we add "which was withdrawn/settled out of court" but it doesn't remove the fact that the papers HAVE been served and there is a link as evidence to the https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-facebook-sued-syrian-refugee-attack-school-huddersfield-defamation-jamal-a8805071.html?fbclid=IwAR3_Sq2MPRk8YtS-hmwIMvLdRvgFp15np9fMvJFaVHe7fTwFQ7mxWvH3FpM -- Princessdawn123 ( talk) 19:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I have read it. It doesn't explain why you think an important occurrence in the section should not be included. It is factual, there is video and print footage as evidence. I have not giving a personal opinion so it is not biased. I have provided a link so people can make up their own minds as to how relevant it is, by removing that link you are censoring. It doesn't explain why you keep undoing that fact yet leave sections unedited which we both agree are "bloated in trivia". -- Princessdawn123 ( talk) 19:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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I want to remove far right as it is not true, I grew up with Tommy and that title is a disgrace 86.155.80.29 ( talk) 23:51, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
On his Wikipedia page, Tommy Robinson is described as being 'far-right'; label which is of course, untrue. If we look at Wikipedia's own page entitled 'far-right politics', we can see a number of political ideologies that align with the far-right, none of which are beliefs held by Tommy. To quote the said article: 'The term is often used to describe Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, anti-communist or reactionary views'
Robinson is not a Nazi, a neo-Nazi, a fascist or a neo-fascists (in fact, it is quite disgusting to compare such a man to ideologies that have slaughtered millions upon millions of ethnic minorities)
As for the 'other' ideologies, Tommy is not an ultranationalist, nor is he a chauvinist, a xenophobe or a racist. As for an 'anti-communist', I would agree that Tommy is exactly that, but I would most definitely not call that 'far-right', and as such will be making a case to have that label removed from the far-right politics page, as anti-communism is a belief that can be held by anyone, whether they're left or right.
In conclusion, I would find it absolutely relieving if the 'far-right' tag was removed from Tommy's page, as in all honesty, naming him as such is a massive disservice on Wikipedia's part and a complete case of libel — Preceding unsigned comment added by RightTruthTeller ( talk • contribs) 00:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Drmies, you are wrong. I have used the sources from Wikepedia's own page entitled 'far-right politics' and stated the political ideologies that the term 'far-right' cover, general nationalism not being one of them. Now I don't know who has authority over these semi-protected articles, but it is evident that whoever it is, is a far-left nutcase that likes to twist the truth to fit their own agenda — Preceding unsigned comment added by RightTruthTeller ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Tommy Robinson has previously denounced far-right groups that he had once associated with. I would agree that the 'far-right' tag would apply to Tommy in 2005, that's indisputable, but it is simply not true anymore. Here are some words, backed up by a source, that shows that he is no longer like that.
Robinson joined the British National Party, then led by Nick Griffin, in 2004. When questioned about this by journalist Andrew Neil in June 2013, he said that he had left after one year, saying, "I didn't know Nick Griffin was in the National Front, I didn't know non-whites couldn't join the organisation. I joined, I saw what it was about, it was not for me".
The source in question can be found here:
Elgot, Jessica (16 June 2013). "EDL's Tommy Robinson Admits Real Name Is Stephen Yaxley, Was In BNP To Andrew Neil On Sunday Politics". The Huffington Post (UK). Archived from the original on 20 October 2013. Retrieved 20 October 2013.
As for my second source, I'm sure I've already use this point, but I'll lay it out again.
'The term is often used to describe Nazism, neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, anti-communist or reactionary views.'
the source can be found here: Carlisle, Rodney P., ed., The Encyclopedia of Politics: The Left and the Right, Volume 2: The Right (Thousand Oaks, California, United States; London, England; New Delhi, India: Sage Publications, 2005) p. 693.
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The article currently provides definitive information on this matter. The text includes a quotation from Mr. Robinson in which he criticises far-right attitudes, and by implication, movements. Therefore this whole argument is moot. The entry is already accurate, to wit: "Reputable mainstream sources judge Tommy Robinson a far-right extremist. Mr. Robinson himself has not confirmed this, and on least one occasion appears to have contradicted it." That is the definitive answer, and we already have it in print here. Laodah 00:43, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
A request to those that can edit this page:
a) It is a noteworthy thing that the BBC plan a programme about someone. So worth a heading on this page The section to move under this new heading is the part starting: 'On February 23, 2019, Tommy Robinson held a rally in MediaCityUK...'
b) It would be good for the reader to set the scene at the start of the new section - perhaps use this existing sentence, or a re-phrase of it: 'Confirming that an upcoming Panorama episode was being prepared to investigate Robinson and his activities.. BBC said..'
c) it would be good for the reader to be able to click and view for themselves the mentioned Panodrama film: the URL which is on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanterburyUK ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
"In April 2005, Robinson was convicted of assaulting an off-duty police officer who had intervened to protect Robinson's girlfriend from Robinson.[3][4] He was given a custodial sentence.[3]" I can't see reference to the above alleged crime with the given references. Tommy has also denied this on his youtube Charles b1984 ( talk) 18:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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He is a racist islamophobe .We have to stop calling the nazis ,the fasdcists and the racists activists.Therefore i contest the title calling him an activist,even if it is in parenthesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gelosoil ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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This is not about the party, so we do not really need to know who resigned from it, its not relevant. Slatersteven ( talk) 10:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
It's silly to say "serving as a political adviser to the Leader of the ". It's not a government post. 86.187.165.253 ( talk) 21:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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I keep seeing statements online that Yaxley/Robinson is, or was (depending on how you define the word) of "jewish descent", in an obvious attempt at influencing people's opinions (How or why, I have no idea.) I find no online reference that resolves the issue, and came here and find nothing here, either. It would be constructive to add this information if/when it becomes available. 2605:6000:6947:AB00:754E:2206:73F3:22BB ( talk) 21:14, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
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Change "activist" to "white supremacist". Wsoto59 ( talk) 14:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
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Because if we do, it seems very odd that it isn't mentioned here. If he hadn't been jailed, the demonstration wouldn't have taken place. Stating the facts is not stating that he was directly responsible or could have forseen everything that would happen. Doug Weller talk 12:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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This sentence seems poorly formulated:
He led the EDL from 2009 until 8 October 2013, when he was persuaded to leave the organisation and discuss alternative ways of tackling extremism with the think tank Quilliam
As I understand it, this says that the EDL was a "way of tackling extremism". Considering that the EDL is an extremist organization that uses violence to achieve its racist goals, this seems a bit ironic.
It also seems POV to represent "tackling extremism" as the main goal of Robinson.
I suggest to remove this part. the sentence could look like this:
He led the EDL from 2009 until 8 October 2013, when he was persuaded to leave the organisation for the think tank Quilliam
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Please revert this addition made on 12 June. His passport related conviction is already covered in the final paragraph of the English Defence League section. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:20B4:D63C:EE6B:CE83 ( talk) 15:48, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
He's out and his conviction has been overturned. That isn't so quickly put on here. And all the edits of the article that succeed will be lying about the overturning. 195.11.204.67 ( talk) 18:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Yaxley was released early this morning and was ambushed by newsmedia reporters and cameracrews, as a life-peer chief justice allowed part of his appeal. "Tommy" did not wish to be interviewed, and said, "I have a lot to say, only not to you.", referring to the abnoxious "reporter". Why the article does not reflect this fact despite the dozens of newsreports escapes me. About time to sort this mess out.
@Slatersteven It is not just about one case and I think you were wrong to revert. Please read it a little more slowly. It is about a contempt in Cantebury, another alleged contempt in Leeds yet to be tried, and about significant misunderstandings of the proceedings. These misunderstandings have been expressed on the street and in the media both in the UK and abroad. And on this page. Those have enabled erronious statements about freedom of speach, gagging, solitary confinement to be bandied about. I am very happy to discuss and do not want an edit war. This matter has tet more to run. Jacksoncowes ( talk) 13:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hope not hate said its analysis showed that only 68.1% of the signatures were from the UK, with 9.7% from Australia, and 9.3% from the US. Canada, Germany, France, New Zealand, Netherlands, Sweden and Ireland accounted for the remainder.
I think this sentence is not in neutral voice. The 'only' would implicitly tell the reader that this fact is negative. It can be seen both ways in my opinion. You can also state that the Tommy Robinson case had international response. I do not doubt that the facts Hope not Hate publish be accurate, but that does not mean we have to copy their wording. Hope not Hate hates Tommy Robinson. Therefore I think copying the 'only' is unnecessary and would compromise Wikipedia's neutral voice. I changed it to
The petition showed that Tommy Robinson also had many sympathisers outside of the UK. Hope not hate said its analysis showed that 68.1% of the signatures...
But I am open for other suggestions AntonHogervorst ( talk) 16:45, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
I looked at all the sources present that can be construed as supporting the claim that he is far-right. However, all of the sources calling him far-right actually say that he inherits "being far-right" from leading far-right parties like the English Defence League. He actually resigned from the far-right party when it became far-right. To say that he is far-right, because he was once a leader of a party that is now far-right (which he himself denounces), is a logical fallacy called moving the goalposts. wumbolo ^^^ 21:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
I made an edit to the article, which (1) pointed out that Robinson has denied that he is far right and (2) presented some supporting evidence. The edit included reliable sources. My edit, however, was undone, with the above discussion cited as justification. I do not see how the above justifies undoing my edit. I have therefore reverted the article to after I edited it. If someone believes that my reversion is in appropriate, please explain why, here.
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It is well known that he was a member of the British Nationalist Party, and should be of note in the article.
Make sure to mention he left because it didn't allow his black mate to join, and has only spoken poorly of them in post. 95.16.126.75 ( talk) 16:24, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
"The court had wrongly recorded that Robinson had been sentenced to three months imprisonment suspended for 18 months. In fact he had been committed to prison for three months suspended for 18 months." Datboywithmeme ( talk) 03:37, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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The trial that Robinson was accused of disrupting is over. [5] This makes clear why he was arrested outside Leeds Crown Court, because he was allegedly doing what he was asked not to do in Canterbury, which was jumping the gun on the verdict in a court case and trying to "interview" people as they arrived at the courthouse.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:14, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
This is an incredible interview. Tommy says that he was intentionally moved to HM Onley prison and was purposely put in danger. He received constant death threats from prisoners and was forced to be in solitary confinement. Food was brought to him. He had reason to believe that the food would be poisoned and lived on a can of tuna a day & some fruit. (For the first week he did not eat anything) He did not have a television and excrement was thrown onto his window by prisoners. This contradicts claims by the prison services; that he was treated well. Tommy interview -- Jane955 ( talk) 00:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Is the verbal support of Tommy Robinson by Trump Jr. and Bannon irrelevant? Seem pretty high-profile individuals and notable in their own right.
Brought up here since my edits were reverted. -- Bangalamania ( talk) 23:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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Remove category British Zionists. There is no evidence he is one, except his own claims - and as a leader of the Far Right there is every reason to believe he will not support a Jewish state. 213.205.194.230 ( talk) 22:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
"Yaxley-Lennon uses the alias Tommy Robinson," It's ridiculous and biased to use this name and talk this way about Robinson. Proof is it isn't done on *any other* person's Wikipedia article. In the U.K. you can go by any name you wish. And people in the public eye are called by the media by the names they are using. Few people in show business use their real name. 195.11.204.67 ( talk) 19:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 20:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
This is reported here in The Independent and is scheduled for December 2018. There is the same problem of WP:CRYSTAL. Watch this space.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Although WP:NOTNEWS applies, I think it is notable enough to mention that he has been hired by the UKIP leader Gerard Batten. [15] [16] Other UKIP members are not keen on Robinson becoming a party member, but this has not happened and current UKIP rules would prevent this. [17]-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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remove FAR RIGHT as it is WRONG 185.65.166.83 ( talk) 18:15, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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19:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)It's not made clear soon enough in this section that the attacker was Darren Osborne. Could go in the first sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.190.139 ( talk) 14:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
The only source that I could find with the "Wayne King" pseudonym was this Huffington Post article so there are worries about WP:V and WP:DUE to give this in the lead section. Is this OK?-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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change (activist) to (antagonist) Genericwannabe ( talk) 10:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Some useful information on his sources of funding
Thanks
John Cummings ( talk) 17:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
This isn't suitable for the article, but it makes you wonder if some people ever read the newspapers.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:34, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
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I contest that Tommy Robinson is far right. Right wing is more appropriate. 92.1.37.236 ( talk) 22:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
This article has a number of citation issues that will be easier to clean up if it is migrated to list-defined referencing. I propose to do that, unless anybody either beats me to it, or raises objections that are substantive enough to indicate a lack of consensus within a reasonable period of time. Zazpot ( talk) 01:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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to bundle citations if it's not in the article text itself. I see this bundling technique in a lot of articles, it seems extremely common. How exactly could moving these bundled citations into the reflist have any effect on their <br />
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- there are other ways but this is simplest - but it should be done.
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unthinkingly to separate list items, but it's still a mistake to do so. Please fix such instance when you see them. The guidance is quite clear: Do not separate list items with line breaks (<br>
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When formatting multiple citations in a footnote, there are several layouts available... However, using line breaks to separate list items breaches WP:Accessibility § Nobreaks:Unless I am mistaken, my remarks above were entirely consistent with that guidance. Zazpot ( talk) 11:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)"Do not separate list items with line breaks (.<br>
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Hi @ Zazpot:, @ Emeraude:, Some of my recent citation improvements are being undone for spurious reasons, reintroducing the very problems we are trying to fix. We need to diligently explain to the offender that links to expired broadcasts do not magically fix themselves and that if you cannot watch the broadcast either on the original site or on an archive page, then you cannot verify the material. We need to stop our necessary work from being frustrated and dragged backwards. Civilised Hatters Fan ( talk) 01:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Civilised Hatters Fan: Hello. Do you have some reason to believe the sourced info you have removed is not accurate? Please review WP:LINKROT. Being offline is doesn't make a source inherently less reliable, and doesn't mean that information is not WP:V. Information from the BBC is presumed reliable, even if it is not convenient. Please discuss here before removing more sources which lack working links. Thank you. Grayfell ( talk) 00:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Change (far–right activist) to (activist), pls. "Far–right" is extremely controversial and emotionally biased. Stop the war pls. Proposal. Add a section TR's opinions and categorize them. Add a subsection Opinions on TR where all the controversial refrenced ballast on him might be balanced (right, far–right, thug, fascist, Nazi, racist, hero, free–speech fighter, anti–islamic, controversial, etc). Thanks. Vlakovod ( talk) 06:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
This keeps getting undone when clearly it IS relevant to the subject of the Syrian refugee. How could this NOT be relevant? It simply includes the headline with a link to the article. -- Princessdawn123 ( talk) 18:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
It really IS relevant. If it doesn't go anywhere then fine we add "which was withdrawn/settled out of court" but it doesn't remove the fact that the papers HAVE been served and there is a link as evidence to the https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-facebook-sued-syrian-refugee-attack-school-huddersfield-defamation-jamal-a8805071.html?fbclid=IwAR3_Sq2MPRk8YtS-hmwIMvLdRvgFp15np9fMvJFaVHe7fTwFQ7mxWvH3FpM -- Princessdawn123 ( talk) 19:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I have read it. It doesn't explain why you think an important occurrence in the section should not be included. It is factual, there is video and print footage as evidence. I have not giving a personal opinion so it is not biased. I have provided a link so people can make up their own minds as to how relevant it is, by removing that link you are censoring. It doesn't explain why you keep undoing that fact yet leave sections unedited which we both agree are "bloated in trivia". -- Princessdawn123 ( talk) 19:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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I want to remove far right as it is not true, I grew up with Tommy and that title is a disgrace 86.155.80.29 ( talk) 23:51, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
On his Wikipedia page, Tommy Robinson is described as being 'far-right'; label which is of course, untrue. If we look at Wikipedia's own page entitled 'far-right politics', we can see a number of political ideologies that align with the far-right, none of which are beliefs held by Tommy. To quote the said article: 'The term is often used to describe Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, anti-communist or reactionary views'
Robinson is not a Nazi, a neo-Nazi, a fascist or a neo-fascists (in fact, it is quite disgusting to compare such a man to ideologies that have slaughtered millions upon millions of ethnic minorities)
As for the 'other' ideologies, Tommy is not an ultranationalist, nor is he a chauvinist, a xenophobe or a racist. As for an 'anti-communist', I would agree that Tommy is exactly that, but I would most definitely not call that 'far-right', and as such will be making a case to have that label removed from the far-right politics page, as anti-communism is a belief that can be held by anyone, whether they're left or right.
In conclusion, I would find it absolutely relieving if the 'far-right' tag was removed from Tommy's page, as in all honesty, naming him as such is a massive disservice on Wikipedia's part and a complete case of libel — Preceding unsigned comment added by RightTruthTeller ( talk • contribs) 00:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Drmies, you are wrong. I have used the sources from Wikepedia's own page entitled 'far-right politics' and stated the political ideologies that the term 'far-right' cover, general nationalism not being one of them. Now I don't know who has authority over these semi-protected articles, but it is evident that whoever it is, is a far-left nutcase that likes to twist the truth to fit their own agenda — Preceding unsigned comment added by RightTruthTeller ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Tommy Robinson has previously denounced far-right groups that he had once associated with. I would agree that the 'far-right' tag would apply to Tommy in 2005, that's indisputable, but it is simply not true anymore. Here are some words, backed up by a source, that shows that he is no longer like that.
Robinson joined the British National Party, then led by Nick Griffin, in 2004. When questioned about this by journalist Andrew Neil in June 2013, he said that he had left after one year, saying, "I didn't know Nick Griffin was in the National Front, I didn't know non-whites couldn't join the organisation. I joined, I saw what it was about, it was not for me".
The source in question can be found here:
Elgot, Jessica (16 June 2013). "EDL's Tommy Robinson Admits Real Name Is Stephen Yaxley, Was In BNP To Andrew Neil On Sunday Politics". The Huffington Post (UK). Archived from the original on 20 October 2013. Retrieved 20 October 2013.
As for my second source, I'm sure I've already use this point, but I'll lay it out again.
'The term is often used to describe Nazism, neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, anti-communist or reactionary views.'
the source can be found here: Carlisle, Rodney P., ed., The Encyclopedia of Politics: The Left and the Right, Volume 2: The Right (Thousand Oaks, California, United States; London, England; New Delhi, India: Sage Publications, 2005) p. 693.
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The article currently provides definitive information on this matter. The text includes a quotation from Mr. Robinson in which he criticises far-right attitudes, and by implication, movements. Therefore this whole argument is moot. The entry is already accurate, to wit: "Reputable mainstream sources judge Tommy Robinson a far-right extremist. Mr. Robinson himself has not confirmed this, and on least one occasion appears to have contradicted it." That is the definitive answer, and we already have it in print here. Laodah 00:43, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
A request to those that can edit this page:
a) It is a noteworthy thing that the BBC plan a programme about someone. So worth a heading on this page The section to move under this new heading is the part starting: 'On February 23, 2019, Tommy Robinson held a rally in MediaCityUK...'
b) It would be good for the reader to set the scene at the start of the new section - perhaps use this existing sentence, or a re-phrase of it: 'Confirming that an upcoming Panorama episode was being prepared to investigate Robinson and his activities.. BBC said..'
c) it would be good for the reader to be able to click and view for themselves the mentioned Panodrama film: the URL which is on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanterburyUK ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
"In April 2005, Robinson was convicted of assaulting an off-duty police officer who had intervened to protect Robinson's girlfriend from Robinson.[3][4] He was given a custodial sentence.[3]" I can't see reference to the above alleged crime with the given references. Tommy has also denied this on his youtube Charles b1984 ( talk) 18:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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He is a racist islamophobe .We have to stop calling the nazis ,the fasdcists and the racists activists.Therefore i contest the title calling him an activist,even if it is in parenthesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gelosoil ( talk • contribs) 11:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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This is not about the party, so we do not really need to know who resigned from it, its not relevant. Slatersteven ( talk) 10:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
It's silly to say "serving as a political adviser to the Leader of the ". It's not a government post. 86.187.165.253 ( talk) 21:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)