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Three times in early history and once under in Britain a Smith or Andrew F Smith is mentioned. Since he is also cited in each case why not just make the statements?-- Weetoddid ( talk) 09:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
This is my first time commenting or editing here, I apologize if something is incorrect. Under Production Trends, the text says that Mexico is the largest producer, but the graphical chart shows China instead of Mexico. After going to the reference site, I believe the correct data for 2005 would be China as the largest producer. Mexico shows a substantially lower production at 2.24 million tons. I have made the change in the text on the page from Mexico to China. TonyHagale ( talk) 17:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Top Tomato Producers — 2008 (million tons) | |
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87.6 |
World Total | 125 |
Source: UN Food & Agriculture Organisation (FAO) [1] |
This isn't the biggest problem - the cided source, FAOSTAT, doesn't even have the data for 2008. I dug the following table for 2007 up from FAOSTAT and will replace the one in the article, as it is uncited. Let's leave the old table here in case someone wants a quick review. So, this is the 2007 data from FAOSTAT:
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33 645 000 |
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7 550 000 |
World Total | 126 246 708 |
Source: UN Food & Agriculture Organisation (FAO) [2] |
Gasper.azman ( talk) 13:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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yes i am making salsa for the first time and am having trouble finding information on why or why not to seed and/or peel a tomato. any input would be great. Jondatsun ( talk) 23:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Since when has paella been known as a tomato dish? Vegetable paella may have it, but it's certainly not a traditional ingredient. Therefore the whole Iranian etymology section seems highly dubious to me, I'd suggest removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.176.121 ( talk) 12:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
In a number of European languages (Italian, Hungarian, Serbian, and I think the Austrian dialect) the word for 'tomato' is synonymous with 'paradise'. It would be interesting if the article could explain this unusual etymology. Nmcmurdo ( talk) 01:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought Philip Miller provided the scientific name? He however used the Tournefort classifications at first, but later used the binomial nomenclature of Carolus Linnaeus. 95.209.84.250 ( talk) 09:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I propose that most of the section " Types" be merged into List of tomato cultivars. -- Bensin ( talk) 21:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
It strikes me that this article has been growing somewhat 'organically' for some time—people sticking little additions in here and there. The result is somewhat incoherent. As such, I'd like to go through and 'refactor' it, just tidying things up and generally making it flow better. I can't say precisely what I intend to do yet (although as Bensin suggests above, the redundant 'Types' section will probably go), but if you object, speak now (or forever hold your peace). If no-one objects in about a week, I'll go for it. Thomas Kluyver ( talk) 13:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
When it is talking about "now Mexico city" it has an error. There is one missing comma that makes it sound odd. How do I correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.204.88 ( talk) 03:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Different person, those appear to be limes in the picture of the Indian Dish while the caption says lemons. Just a small thing I noticed. 67.243.20.72 ( talk) 11:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
A British lecturer at Unisa, Sally Hutchings, was deported after throwing a tomato at State President P W Botha to protest against curbs on the universities.
http://sites.google.com/site/tomatosaclub/home/itomatopw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.246.55.22 ( talk) 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Interesting. It does seem that in the popular imagination (at least in North America), the most desirable item to throw at a prisoner in the stocks - or by extension a corrupt politician or other unpopular public figure - was the rotten tomato. Is this some kind of Puritan inversion of the "golden apple"/"apple of Paradise" image? Heavenlyblue ( talk) 20:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The link to Selecting, Storing, and Serving Ohio tomatoes is broken it should be http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/5000/pdf/5532.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.206.178 ( talk) 14:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, many readers who seek the tomato article will desire information about nutrition. Currently, nutrition information is in a sub-sub-section about mid-way through the article. First, we read about taxonyms, history and cultivation. I propose moving the nutrition info box to just below the plant/species info box. The first paragaphs would continue to inform about tomato in the sense "plant" while immediately after, moved and new paragraphs would inform on tomato in the sense "food." While I assume more people search for tomato-food than tomato-plant, I think the style of wikipedia is better followed by listing the taxonomy/ontogeny information right up front, then the information on utility immediately after. Heathhunnicutt ( talk) 16:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
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I believe the scientific name of the tomato is wrong. It should be Lycopersciom esculantum. please verify it. Thanks 188.220.72.27 ( talk) 17:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Tomato shortages have occurred at different times for ~100 years and should probably be mentioned in this article. (It looks to me as if there is enough for a standalong tomato shortage article). Smartse ( talk) 11:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello there is many concepts and arguments that the tomato is a fruit or if it is a vegetable. Some say That the tomato is a fruit because it has seeds. Other's say that the tomato is a vegteable because it isn't sweet and the majority of fruits are sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.174.250 ( talk) 18:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC) Fruit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.152.202.162 ( talk) 00:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
"as well as the plant (Solanum lycopersicum) which bears it." might be better phrased along the lines of "which can also refer to the plant" etc. Saying "X ... is an edible fruit as well as the plant" might lead some to think the plant is edible--assuming they don't read all the way through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.152.238 ( talk) 03:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure what to do, trying to fix a error on the page. Under cultivationit says China is the world leader in the production of tomato's and produces 25% of the worlds crop... The US tonage is 1/3 of China's but somehow Califorina grows 35% of the worlds crop? The math doesn't add up... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greglobe ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Why are tomatoes more acidic than many other foods, such as cucumbers, cabbage and probably beets and meat, or even milk? I know they contain vitamin C, but so do alkaline cucumbers. I know apples and citrus fruit are more acidic, but they contain malic and citric acids respectively. I even know of what makes grapes acidic. Why is tomato pH not much more than 3? Is it lycopene? Do they contain pyruvic acid? Has anyone studied the chemistry in question? 24.184.234.24 ( talk) 00:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)LeucineZipper
Thanks. Now I know why tomatoes taste more like vinegar than most fruit; it is acetic acid. 24.184.234.24 ( talk) 19:55, 30 April 2011 (UTC)LeucineZipper
The first line of the article is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.38.201 ( talk) 17:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
This is the only thing I can find regarding how they taste. Still it's better than no reference at all (at least I don't see any references in the first paragraph). http://www.bostonfoodandwhine.com/2008/06/26/what-does-a-tomato-taste-like/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.39.18 ( talk) 14:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Google the phrase "tomatoes are savory" and you get 2 pages: "Page 2 of 20 results (0.05 seconds)" (changing the spelling to savoury adds another 17 results). Google the phrase "tomatoes are sweet": Page 55 of about 22,600 results (0.14 seconds). It's a little bit embarrassing that Wikipedia has something like this wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.185.108 ( talk) 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
The quotation marks are right there. I just thought the Google search results would help to illustrate my point (I mean the ratio is 1:1000). I guess it's possible that all 22000 of those people are wrong. Leave the arbitrary, unreferenced, inexpert opinion there if that's what this site is about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.185.108 ( talk) 15:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The simple fact that there is a restaurant chain named "sweet tomatoes" shows the flaws in the logic of using Google hits as any sort of indicator. Ridernyc ( talk) 22:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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The entry on tomato states that the Council of the European Union gave a directive that tomatoes should be considered fruits. This occurs in the "Fruit or vegetable?" section of the entry. A source is listed, but after reading the source material, it is evident that the entry's wording is incorrect and the entire line should be deleted. The directive that is used as a source states that carrots should be considered fruits for the sake of the directive. This is obviously meant to be a way to clarify their uses for objective of the directive and not a way to reclassify tomatoes and carrots as fruits.
Unflappableoptimist ( talk) 21:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Seems rather unfounded to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.233.45 ( talk) 21:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I understand that tomato seeds pass undigested though the human gut, and so sewage plants are often surrounded by tomato plants. Anyone confirm? Danceswithzerglings ( talk) 03:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Have you ever driven by a sewage treatment plant? Most of the "weeds" you see around those places are actually tomato plants. Brothernight ( talk) 04:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I have actually seen sewage treatment plants and have never seen tomato plants growing anywhere near one. As the soil in such places is very tough (because the sites are carefully chosen), and generally clay, one is not likely to find much of anything growing near one. Certainly, not in California. I find the statement unlikely, as that would mean that sewage from the treatment facility is seeping through the soil to the outside. On top of that, it also supposes that delicate tomato seeds have survived the harsh temperatures, chemical attacks and who knows what else in order to survive. Gingermint ( talk) 02:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
In existing section:
Tomatoes were not grown in England until the 1590s, according to Smith. One of the earliest cultivators was John Gerard, a barber-surgeon.[6] Gerard's Herbal, published in 1597 and largely plagiarized from continental sources[citation needed],
The citation required for the plagiarism claim is supported by information at the URL:
http://www.controverscial.com/John%20Gerard.htm
"There is however a cloud of controversy surrounding the original contents of the Herbal. It is believed that Gerard may have used a translation of Stirpium historiae pemptades sex (1583) by the Flemish botanist Rembertus Dodoens." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan.x.jackson ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
The entire section was too long. I reduced it to just pertinent information. Gingermint ( talk) 02:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
Look at that Picture. That can be the new picture in the box. On that picture there is the plant, too. Sorry for my bad english...
Gab997 ( talk) 13:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
The article as written claims that speakers in the Southeastern US pronounce "tomato" with the "ah" sound - as in the UK - and that other American speakers pronounce the word with the "ay" sound. I've lived in the Southeast my entire life and have never, ever heard another Southerner use the "ah" pronunciation (at least not ironically). The usual pronunciations you get around here are: "Tuh-MAY-tah," "MAY-ter," and "Tuh-MAY-ter," in roughly descending order of popularity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.210.71.103 ( talk) 00:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Rotel&beans ( talk) 21:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
The entries on eggplant and potato indicate that tomatoes are in the same genus; both the eggplant and potato "scientific classification" sidebar indicates that they are also "(unranked): Asterids". Shouldn't this be included in the tomato scientific classification sidebar as well?
I'm not a biologist, so something subtle may have escaped me. Will someone knowledgeable please take care of this? Bill Jefferys ( talk) 00:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
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In the first line ("Tomato may refer to both the plant (Solanum lycopersicum) and the edible, typically red, fruit which it bears.") The word "tomato" needs to be in italics or quotes, because of the use–mention distinction (it is mentioned, not used). That is clunky, though, so I suggest that the sentence be otherwise recast. 68.54.4.162 ( talk) 03:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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Under the section "Companion plants", there is a missing close-parentheses in the paragraph starting "Other plants with strong scents,". The list "(basil, oregano, spearmint" should be "(basil, oregano, spearmint)".
Kennyyounger ( talk) 15:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
This web site lists tomato records and provides the grower the lineage for tomatoes that grow large or giant tomatoes. http://tomato.vegetabletoplant.com Pomingo ( talk) 02:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC). I would like to propose the addition of an external link that could lead directly to the specific product trade data held by ITC. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations 2) No registration is required 3) Trade data (imports/exports) are regularly updated 4) The link gives direct access to the trade database referring to the specific product 5) The addition of a link to reliable trade data could provide an appropriate contribution to the article related Thank you in advance for your attention. Divoc ( talk) 19:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Anybody know why this article is semi-protected and seems to have been for a long time? 79.79.248.99 ( talk) 13:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
This seems a very unlikely claim, given that the tomato originated in the Americas in prehistoric times and arrived in Europe in the 16th century. -- Ef80 ( talk) 01:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Pioneer America, Volumes 11, Pioneer America Society, 1979, p. 112-113 argues that the the idea that people thought tomatoes were poisonous was a myth. The Encyclopedia America (the origin of the myth) did not list its sources, and earlier documents simply do not mention it.
Per Andrew Smith's "The Tomato In America," p. 40, 2001, "...while some Americans obviously did believe that tomatoes were poisonous, this phenomenon has been blown out of proportion by well-intentioned popular historians. Research has located only three references to the tomato's purported poisonous qualities published in America prior to 1860. One was from a reprinted British medical work, reflecing outmoded beliefs in Britain rather than in America. The second was a facetious comment published in a newspaper." The third, like twenty five possible references to a poisonous nature, were attempts "to explain the discrpancy between the tomato's lack of previous usage juxtaposed to its then current general consumption." Tomatos were not eaten because farmers did not know how to grow them, cooks did not have any recipes for them, and consumers were not so ready to consume unfamiliar foods; not because people thought they were poisonous.
Wikipedia does not mention the cherry tree incident in George Washington's biography, nor does it insist that Christopher Columbus sailed to prove the world was round, so it should not maintain other myths either. 74.236.132.45 ( talk) 21:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have any proof whatsoever to reference that A) the tomato plant itself contains solanine and B) they are toxic to humans in any amount? In the first case, clicking on the Wikipedia article for solanine leads to the dispute that tomato plants even contain solanine, rather they contain only tomatine. In the second case, the only citation given for tomato leaves' toxicity in humans appears to be a dead link. In any case, the toxicity example is still only one case, if it's even true.
Further, this very article links to the New York Times article about cooking with tomato leaves, which has a lot more information than simply "a small amount of leaves is probably not going to hurt you", as seems to be the implication. If the information is accurate, tomato leaves aren't going to be toxic to humans at all, no matter how much you eat, because the tomatine is bound with cholesterol in the gut and is not only passed through the digestive system, but takes the cholesterol with it, giving a health benefit as well. I've eaten tomato leaves, in fact I do regularly, and it does nothing. I realize that doesn't qualify as a verifiable reference, however it does lead me to be inclined to agree with the New York Times article, so there must me more out there on this.
I've looked it up as thoroughly as I can and have found nothing but old wives' tales about people "learning when they were growing up" not to eat the leaves, but NOTHING of scientific value. There's also at least one book, "Cooking in the Moment: A Year of Seasonal Recipes" by Andrea Reusing that has a recipe that calls for tomato leaves.
So, to make a long story short, this is a call to clean up the section talking about the seemingly non-existent toxicity of the leaves and stems (can't believe it's there in the first place, seeing as there is no source for it), and also a call for more references to the fact. There seems to be an abundance of myth, but I'll remind everyone that this is not the kind of thing that the section of an article here should be based on. 184.167.224.119 ( talk) 22:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Forgot to add one other source I found, touting the benefits of eating tomatine: Google Book link 184.167.224.119 ( talk) 22:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The article makes suggests that the tomato was considered poisonous in North America, without explaining why. The tomato may have been a catalyst to lead poisoning, by leaching lead from pewter plates and utensils. http://historymedren.about.com/od/dailylifesociety/a/bod_tomatoes.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimschott ( talk • contribs) 03:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
If lead poisoning were a concern, women would not have used white lead as makeup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimschott ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this article is up to GA status?-- Bigpoliticsfan ( talk) 00:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the article it is stated WITHOUT REFERENCE that tomatoes originated in Mexico. This is not encyclopedic at all. There are indications that tomatoes originated in South America, in the Andean valleys of what is today Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador. Scholars are not sure whether tomatoes were cultivated first by the Aztec, by the Incas, or by previous civilizations or people in the American continent.
The introduction in this article therefore NEEDS TO be changed. I have nit been able to edit it as someone decided to make the article "semi-protected".
Here are some general references backing my claims:
http://www.britishtomatoes.co.uk/history
http://homecooking.about.com/od/foodhistory/a/tomatohistory.htm
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02859492#page-1
90.244.6.71 ( talk) 21:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Spanish wikipedia's Solanum lycopersicum (tomato) is a source of scholarly sources Xb2u7Zjzc32 ( talk) 17:31, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
The third paragraph is taken word-for-word from the third paragraph of the about.com source cited at the end: http://homecooking.about.com/od/foodhistory/a/tomatohistory.htm
Also, I'm not sure how trustworthy about.com is as a source is the first place. Jumper4677 ( talk) 15:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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Please remove "(although the leaves are)", since there is no evidence that leaves are toxic. They contain tomatine, not solanine, which is not known to cause any harm to humans. Marc.sevigny ( talk) 17:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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Please delete the following paragraph
Hybrid plants remain common, since they tend to be heavier producers, and sometimes combine unusual characteristics of heirloom tomatoes with the ruggedness of conventional commercial tomatoes.
My justification for the request is as follows Non Hybrid plants also remain common. Therfore there is no need to make this statement. There is no referrence here to back up the statement and I feel that all these attributes can also be attributed to some non Hybrid varieities. The statement, as it stands seems unsubstantiated, unneccessary, and biased against normal tomatoes (ie. non-hybridised varieties) For example: in Australia the open pollinated variety, Grosse Lisse, that is most widely grown, in home gardens, consistantly outperforms any other variety in most respects.
The main reason Grosse Lisse is not grown widely on commercial farms is that it does not travel and hold as well as hybrid varieties
Many non-hybrid open pollinated varieties are as "rugged" as any hybrid varieties...I can supply a list of open pollinated varieties that would be considered as "rugged" as any hybrid variety if you feel the need.
Your article also mentions that the worlds record holding tomato plant produced over 500Kg. It was not a Hybrid variety but it was an open pollinated variety
To reitterate...the statement is unsubstantiated and biased and possibly even inflammatory. 124.180.196.220 ( talk) 21:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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Tomato leaves are not poisonous as stated on this page under History --> Etymology and pronunciation. Please remove "(although the leaves are)" from this section.
[1] [2] 208.104.41.181 ( talk) 18:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC) 208.104.41.181 ( talk) 18:33, 13 February 2015 (UTC)Ross Goddard
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Should there be added that there is a certain confusion internationally, as in some countries fruits and vegetables are purely culinary terms? Having a separate word for the fruit for must of them the tomato, and many others are berries? Ivan2007 ( talk) 22:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
It's odd that a heading would have a question mark: Fruit or Vegetable? The question defines the context- culinary. Therefore the answer is simple, it's a vegetable. Fruit has both a botanical and culinary usage whereas vegetable has only a culinary usage. Lashes1776 ( talk) 16:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't think this uncited sentance from the article is very accurate: "However, the tomato has a much lower sugar content than other edible fruits, and is therefore not as sweet.". It seems to be ignoring all the other fruits that are not 'culinary fruits' - courgettes and other squashes, aubergines, okra, beans, peppers, etc.
The section mentions "this dispute" without first establishing that there is a dispute about tomatoes being a fruit or a vegetable. It might be good to add something about when and how the question of whether the tomato is a fruit or a vegetable was popularized. sorsoup ( talk) 22:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
A small minority of the population (including me), has a very potent visceral reaction to the taste and smell of the raw tomato. The reaction I have is an instant gag reflex, and the taste is an overwhelming bitter flavor that masks the flavor of most anything else I eat. It is not the difference between a truly ripened tomato versus commercially artificially ripened tomato, but an inherent chemical receptor reaction, not unlike cilantro. In my experience, the compound seems to be concentrated in the juice around the seeds. The flesh and ribs are tolerable. It is not a reaction to texture of the seeds, or the jelly-like juice around the seeds. Most of those adverse to raw tomatoes do consume and often enjoy well-cooked tomatoes, i.e. tomato paste, pasta sauces, oven-baked 'sun-dried' tomatoes. Heat for a long duration (in excess of 1 hour cooking) and/or removal of the seeds seem to eliminate the offending compound. Also, combining with a fatty compound seems to lessen the bitter flavor of raw tomato (i.e. guacamole with raw tomato added), but does not completely eliminate it.
I've looked for hard science behind my experiences, yet it eludes me. I've come across a few blogs which refer to the same conclusions I have.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2012/05/29/tasters-choice-why-i-hate-raw-tomatoes-and-you-dont/ http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/i-admit-it-i-hate-tomatoes?xg_source=activity http://whippedtheblog.com/2011/07/11/tackling-raw-tomatoes-one-bite-at-a-time/
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IcepickD ( talk) 06:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC) I'm not asking for pity and dismissal, I'm asking for knowledge and science.
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The scientific species epithet lycopersicum means "wolf peach", and comes from German werewolf myths. These legends said that deadly nightshade was used by witches and sorcerers in potions to transform themselves into werewolves, so the tomato's similar, but much larger, fruit was called the "wolf peach" when it arrived in Europe.
This ia some horrible nonsense. The word lycopersicum comes from Greek and it was first used by Galen to describe a plant, which some sources call unidentified, while others identify as this. So how a term coined in ancient Greek could possibly have anything to do with German myths??? This bullshit is even sourced. 159.205.240.233 ( talk) 00:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
THE EDIBLE WOLF PEACH Tomatoes belong to the genus Lycopersicon, which means “wolf peach,” from the Greek �´�� (wolf) and ��� �´� (Persian, which alludes to Persian apple, the appellation Europeans first bestowed on the peach when it arrived from China via Persia). This is a direct translation from another term for the fruit, the German Wolfpfirsich. However did such an agreeable fruit acquire such a disagreeable name? It originates in the werewolf myth. Early Renaissance Europeans were suspicious of the tomato upon its arrival from South America because of its striking likeness to deadly nightshade (Atropus belladonna—the source of atropine*). German legend claims that witches used nightshade to summon werewolves, and what could be more attractive to a werewolf than nightshade with a berry the size of a peach? Although modern German speakers know tomatoes as Tomaten or Paradeisäpfel, the earliest German name for tomatoes was Wolfpfirsich — “wolf peach.” Sadly, it took years before the tomato was widely recognized as harmless and incorporated into European cuisines. In the 18th century, Carl Linnaeus, noting the werewolf legend, applied his new binomial nomenclature system to name the tomato Lycopersicon esculentum, the “edible wolf peach.” Despite the charm of the history behind it, the Linnaean classification may be supplanted by a phylogenetic classification that would group the tomato plant based on its evolutionary relationship to other organisms; the name, Solanum lycopersicum, has been suggested. - Jytdog ( talk) 00:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Per our article, this is likely a predatory publisher and we shouldn't cite it. Jytdog ( talk) 14:06, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
I removed the content below from the Production section because it has low relevance to actual production and vague importance overall per WP:UNDUE. Also, the source cited here, just lists the regions, with no encyclopedic background for why these regions are "protected" and why this is significant for a discussion about tomato production. Please discuss whether this content should be included. -- Zefr ( talk) 14:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Within the EU, there are several areas that grow tomatoes with Protected Geographical Status. These include:
There is a contradiction in this section. First, the author says, "...green unripe fruit of the tomato plant...contain the poison solanine, which is toxic to humans and animals." But at the end of the paragraph, the author says, "The fresh fruit is, however, harmless." The problem in the wording is that green unripe fruit can also be considered fresh (assuming, of course, that it's not cooked, dried, or frozen), yet it cannot be both toxic and harmless. Perhaps the author meant to say that the RED RIPE fruit is harmless. I am suggesting that the words "fresh fruit" be changed to "ripe" or "red ripe." 188.248.255.253 ( talk) 00:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)Rick Glaser, March 26, 2010.
Actually, there is a variety of tomato that stays green after it ripens. This variety is used to make "fried green tomatoes", not unripe tomatoes. According to Cornell University's Department of Animal Science, "Production of solanum-type glycoalkaloids is favored by the same conditions that promote the development of chlorophyll. Therefore, the concentration of these glycoalkaloids is highest in potato sprouts and green potato skins, and tomato vines and green tomatoes. Care should be taken to prevent the exposure of potatoes to sunlight. These alkaloids are not destroyed by cooking or drying at high temperatures. New potato varieties can not be introduced unless they contain less than 20 mg glycoalkaloids/100 g." Here is the URL to the cited warning posted by Cornell University: http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/steroid.html Brothernight ( talk) 05:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
The section on classification says the tomato does not have alkaloids typical of Solanum. Actually tomatine is related to solanine, albeit less poisonous. Both are steroidal glycosides, not tropine-type alkaloids. Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX ( talk) 19:38, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, I Grow tomatoes on a commercial base in the Netherlands and I noticed that one important tomato pest is missing in the list. I'm talking about Tomato russet mite ( aculops lycopersici) Next to nothing is mentioned on this mite on Wiki sow I started a page for it /info/en/?search=Aculops_lycopersici.
Pleas link it in this artikel as I can assure you that it is a big problem in the Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinkhoest ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Zefr: I don't understand why you reverted my edit. The USDA link I gave goes directly to the data table, whereas the one you put just gives a "Foods List" and then you need to figure out what to click on to get to the data. Eric Kvaalen ( talk) 05:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the value for the energy content from the table because it is inconsistent with the other values in the table. The USDA database gives 74 kJ, but this is not consistent with their own formula, which says the number of kilocalories is 4*(protein+non-fibre carbs)+9*fat. Multiplying this by 4.184 gives 67 kJ. Even if one does not exclude the fibre, one still gets a different number from the 74 kJ they report. I don't know how to explain why there is this discrepancy. I have simply removed the number because when I tried to put the value which is consistent with the USDA values for protein, carbohydrate, and fat, it was removed as "original research". Last year I was part of a long debate about whether we should put statements in Wikipedia which are obviously false, just because they come from what is usually considered a reliable source. In the end the others agreed to delete the false statement. Eric Kvaalen ( talk) 09:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
The image < /info/en/?search=Tomato#/media/File:End_of_Summer_Tomatoes.jpg>, in section 3.7 Modern Commercial Varieties, has an inaccurate caption. The pictured tomatoes exhibiting yellow shoulders have, contrary to the caption, ripened uniformly; the yellow shoulders are a physiological disorder, not under ripe fruits. See < /info/en/?search=Tomato#/media/File:End_of_Summer_Tomatoes.jpg> for further explanation of yellow shoulder on tomatoes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.194.106 ( talk) 18:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Here is a citation for TOMATO, Section 4.5 Pollinators, third paragraph, first "CITATION NEEDED" in the text below (that the bumble bee is a sonicating pollinator of tomatoes and is "cultred" for use in hydroponics or greenhouses)(Not sure about the format. and I have not made enough edits to access this semi-protected page.)
Frankie, Gordon and Robbin W. Thorpe, Rollin E. Coville, Barbara Ertter, California Bees & Blooms / A Guide for Gardeners and Naturalists (2014) Heyday: Berkeley, California AND California Native Plant Society: Sacramento, California. (Page 52.)
The citation also states, and may therefor justify the addition of the following sentence in the paragraph:
"Many bumblebees, especially the California bumble bee (Bombus californicas) have an especially long tongue, allowing it to efficiently take nectar from several California native plants as well as the deep flower of the tomato. "
ORIGINAL TEXT: This is not the same as self-pollination, despite the common claim that tomatoes do so. That tomatoes pollinate themselves poorly without outside aid is clearly shown in greenhouse situations, where pollination must be aided by artificial wind, vibration of the plants (one brand of vibrator is a wand called an "electric bee" that is used manually), or more often today, by cultured bumblebees.[citation needed] The anther of a tomato flower is shaped like a hollow tube, with the pollen produced within the structure, rather than on the surface, as in most species. The pollen moves through pores in the anther, but very little pollen is shed without some kind of externally-induced motion. The best source of outside motion is a sonicating bee, such as a bumblebee, or the original wild halictid pollinator. In an outdoors setting, wind or animals usually provide sufficient motion to produce commercially viable crops.[citation needed]
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This topic should be in the See also section
The following is almost all unsourced and was moved here per WP:PRESERVE. Per WP:BURDEN please do not restore without finding independent, reliable sources, checking the content against them, and citing them. Please also fix the WP:RELTIME issue when you do (nothing is "current" in WP)
Including Solanum lycopersicum, currently 13 species are recognized in Solanum section Lycopersicon. Three of these species — S. cheesmaniae, galapagense, and pimpinellifolium — are fully cross compatible with domestic tomato. Four more species—S. chmielewskii, S. habrochaites, S. neorickii, and S. pennelli—can be readily crossed with domestic tomato, with some limitations. Five species—S. arcanum, S. chilense, S. corneliomulleri, S. huaylasense, and S. peruvianum—can be crossed with domestic tomato with difficulty and usually require embryo rescue to produce viable plants. The Lycopersicon section has not been fully sampled within wild species in the South American range, so new species may be added in the future. citation needed
Solanum section Lycopersicoides and section Juglandifolium are represented by two species each that are considered bridge species genetically intermediate between tomato and non-tuber bearing potato species. S. lycopersicoides can be crossed with domestic tomato and introgression lines [1] have been developed. This species was significant in moving the domestic tomato from separate genus status into the Solanum group because it directly links the tomato into the potato family. citation needed
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-- Jytdog ( talk) 00:24, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it a vegetable or fruit Joethevoss ( talk) 03:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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"Change Tomato to a fruit because it has seeds." LozP ( talk) 22:51, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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Currently, in the section " In popular culture" of the article, there is a mention of a bill in Ontario's legislature to name tomato as the province's official vegetable and to designate a day for it:
In Ontario, Canada, member of provincial parliament Mike Colle named the tomato the official vegetable of the province and designated 15 July as Tomato Day under the Tomato Act in 2016. [1] [2]
- ^ "Queen's Park This Week: Will new carding rules make a difference?". tvo.org. 24 March 2016.
- ^ Bill 179, Tomato Act, 2016 Legislative Assembly of Ontario
The wording makes it sound like the tomato has indeed become the province's official vegetable, and the said Tomato Day established. But in fact, his Bill 179 failed to pass (it did not even receive a debate before it died; sources for verification are provided below), meaning that there was no official designation and no day established.
Therefore, I propose that the paragraph above be replaced with the following one. There is also some related information added to the new version. Note: If you decide to go ahead with this edit request, do not copy the horizontal separator (----
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In Ontario, Canada, member of provincial parliament Mike Colle introduced a private member's bill in March 2016 to name the tomato as the official vegetable of the province and to designate 15 July as Tomato Day, in order to acknowledge the tomato's importance in Ontario's agriculture. [1] [2] The bill did not pass in the legislature and no official designations were made. [3]
- ^ Bill 179, Tomato Act, 2016 Legislative Assembly of Ontario
- ^ "Queen's Park This Week: Will new carding rules make a difference?". tvo.org. 24 March 2016.
- ^ "From the Great Ketchup Wars to combating human trafficking: the silly and the serious private members' bills of 2016". tvo.org. 27 December 2016.
Thanks for your help. 162.156.112.183 ( talk) 04:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
[[:File: Derfuehrersfaceposter.JPG|thumb|left| Donald Duck throws a tomato at Hitler in the 1943 propaganda film Der Fuehrer's Face.]]
I felt that it was entirely appropriate for the subject - i.e. it is a very clear example of a depiction of a tomato in popular fiction, and was a useful addition to the page. However, Zefr reverted my edit at record speed with the argument that it "Doesn't add anything significant, and could be offensive to some" (at least recognizing that my edit was "good faith", thank you!). I asked Zefr who, except for Neo-Nazis, could be offended by a cartoon of Hitler being humiliated by Donald Duck, and got the answer that it might be "offensive to descendants of Holocaust victims who read Wikipedia". This seems to me highly improbable, to say the least. If at the time when this film was made the cartoon could have been shown to the inmates of Nazi concentration camps, I think that they would have been cheered up by it - it would have been the guards and other Nazis who would have been offended. Anyway, Zefr suggested that I take it up on this page, and I am following this suggestion. Comments, anybody? Blanche of King's Lynn ( talk) 21:34, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Who agrees that beefsteak tomatoes and small bosai like cherry tomato plants should be different subspecies?
Orengi Harvey ( talk) 10:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Under heading 3: History: In the first paragraph, next-to-last sentence: change "contains" to "contain". (TWO things -- leaves and immature fruit -- "contain".) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howard41 ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The fruit vs vegetable section is too US-centric, and needs more information about views outside the United States. In the United Kingdom, tomatoes are usually regarded as fruits, for instance. 73.168.5.183 ( talk) 20:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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Change eggplant to aubergine Sam te Man ( talk) 22:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Not done:
Eggplant is the name of the English Wikipedia article. --
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Should a mention of their containing a toxin making them bad for people with arthritis get a mention here? Mayumashu ( talk) 15:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
"Alexander W. Livingston was the first person who succeeded in upgrading the wild tomato," What is it a damned cell phone? Botanists to not "upgrade" plants. Plants are a biological organism. Just like you can't "upgrade" your son or daughter. Perhaps the writer meant "domesticated"? If Livingston improved the "wild tomato" as the writer claims, then it was domesticated, not "upgraded" like an Ipad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.230.31 ( talk) 21:57, 8 March 2016 March (UTC)
'may have been'
It's of little relevance including conjecture in an article, especially when it goes without saying that there can be no source, reference or citation to it. It doesn't add anything to the main topic so it's of questionable value as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.190 ( talk) 05:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
"may have been the first to transfer the small yellow tomato to Europe"
It’s doubtful this type of conjecture adds anything of value to this article. Eventually a European settler would have exported it to Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.190 ( talk) 14:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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I want to move one sentence to its preceding paragraph. Currently, the introductory paragraph of the history section leaps from the wild tomato plant to the Spanish bringing it to Europe, ignoring Mesoamerican history until the following paragraph. The first subsection Mesoamerica suffers not at all by moving its first sentence up into the introduction, and the flow of the introduction is improved. The sentence is
Aztecs and other peoples in Mesoamerica were the first to have domesticated the fruit and used in their cooking.
I would like it moved into the introductory paragraph thusly:
The wild ancestor of the tomato is native to western South America. [1] These wild versions were the size of peas. [1] Aztecs and other peoples in Mesoamerica were the first to have domesticated the fruit and used in their cooking. The Spanish first introduced tomatoes to Europe, where they became used in Spanish food. In France, Italy and northern Europe, the tomato was initially grown as an ornamental plant. It was regarded with suspicion as a food because botanists recognized it as a nightshade, a relative of the poisonous belladonna. [2] This was exacerbated by the interaction of the tomato's acidic juice with pewter plates. [3] The leaves and immature fruit contains tomatine, which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains no tomatine. [4]
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help page).Mcgee-NYT
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help page).The exact date of domestication is unknown; by 500 BC, it was already being cultivated in southern Mexico and probably other areas. Sohowaboutthis ( talk) 01:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
in the etymology part of the article it says navel#) where it should say navel') at the end of the explanation of the meaning of Xitomatl/jitomate. would someone with privileges edit this minor edit for me? thank you! Aozeba (15 Dec 20)
The picture with this caption is a generic image of green tomatoes growing on a vine. What file was originally posted there? Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 15:44, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I think that the sub-section on the age-old
fruit-versus-vegetable debate does not belong in the Name section. However, I can’t decide whether it should go in the Botany section or the History section. My inclination is for it to go at the end of the Botany section. Any suggestions, thoughts, ideas? Thanks!
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About text should be changed from "This article is about the plant and the fruit." to "This article is about the plant and the berry." because in the next line it is written "The tomato is the edible berry". DomantasZ ( talk) 12:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
The pronunciation of tomato in UK is “ təˈmɑː.təʊ ” , isn't “ /təˈmɑːtoʊ/ ”. I've searched on 2 Cambridge Dictionaries. Share ing is carrying ( talk) 03:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Adding the information that the tomato flower is also referred to as a perfect flower, since it has both male and female parts, could help the reader understand the flower better. -- Destructo66 ( talk) 18:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Does a failed private member's bill at Queen's Park really merit a mention in this article? Canada doesn't even make the top 10 tomato-growing countries. I don't want a reply, only for an editor with access -- and, logically, one who agrees with my point -- to delete this nonsense. Greetings from Ottawa. 76.69.87.247 ( talk) 12:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Section should be renamed either "United States" (currently, every mention is of that country) or "United States and Canada" (if Canadian mentions are to be included in the future) as the ancestral home of tomatoes, México, is obviously in North America. 76.69.87.171 ( talk) 09:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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After (or immediately before) the following:
add:
Thank you.
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There's a lot of unreferenced material here for which editors haven't been able to provide references for over five years. Such material must be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.61.180.106 ( talk) 16:32, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
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In this phrase:
their traditional pollinators, (probably a species of halictid bee) did
Please remove the comma, since it doesn't fit with the parentheses. 49.198.51.54 ( talk) 19:48, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove this bit from the introduction:
Tomatoes are a significant source of [[umami]] flavor.<ref name="fleming" /> It is consumed in diverse ways: raw or cooked, and in many dishes, sauces, [[salads]], and drinks. While tomatoes are [[fruit]]s—[[botanically]] classified as [[Berry (botany)|berries]]—they are commonly used [[Culinary arts|culinarily]] as a [[vegetable]] ingredient or [[side dish]].<ref name="eb" />
and replace it with this:
Tomatoes are a significant source of [[umami]] flavor.<ref name="fleming" /> They are consumed in diverse ways: raw or cooked, and in many dishes, sauces, [[salads]], and drinks. While tomatoes are [[fruit]]s—[[botanically]] classified as berries—they are commonly used [[Culinary arts|culinarily]] as a [[vegetable]] ingredient or [[side dish]].<ref name="eb" />
It's a bad idea to shift from "Tomatoes" to "It" in the first/second sentences (the structure makes sentence #2 sound like it's talking about the consumption of umami flavour, not the consumption of tomatoes), and Berry (botany) is linked at the beginning of the introduction, just a few sentences earlier. 49.198.51.54 ( talk) 19:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph under section 3.0 "History", change the last 2 sentences:
The leaves and immature fruit contains [[tomatine]], which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains no tomatine.<ref name="Mcgee-NYT" />
to:
The leaves and fruit contain [[tomatine]], which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains a much lower amount of tomatine than the immature fruit.<ref name="Mcgee-NYT" />
Details: Correct grammar in first sentence: "contains" -> "contain". Move "immature" from first sentence to second sentence. Expand last 2 words in second sentence.
Reason: The second sentence is contradictory and false, and the first sentence is relatedly misleading. It is clearly outlined and stated further in the article, and in the leader and body of the linked article on tomatine, that the ripe tomato does contain tomatine, just in lower quantity than the immature fruit and other parts of the plant such as leaves and stems. 97.32.2.54 ( talk) 18:38, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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Three times in early history and once under in Britain a Smith or Andrew F Smith is mentioned. Since he is also cited in each case why not just make the statements?-- Weetoddid ( talk) 09:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
This is my first time commenting or editing here, I apologize if something is incorrect. Under Production Trends, the text says that Mexico is the largest producer, but the graphical chart shows China instead of Mexico. After going to the reference site, I believe the correct data for 2005 would be China as the largest producer. Mexico shows a substantially lower production at 2.24 million tons. I have made the change in the text on the page from Mexico to China. TonyHagale ( talk) 17:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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This isn't the biggest problem - the cided source, FAOSTAT, doesn't even have the data for 2008. I dug the following table for 2007 up from FAOSTAT and will replace the one in the article, as it is uncited. Let's leave the old table here in case someone wants a quick review. So, this is the 2007 data from FAOSTAT:
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World Total | 126 246 708 |
Source: UN Food & Agriculture Organisation (FAO) [2] |
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yes i am making salsa for the first time and am having trouble finding information on why or why not to seed and/or peel a tomato. any input would be great. Jondatsun ( talk) 23:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Since when has paella been known as a tomato dish? Vegetable paella may have it, but it's certainly not a traditional ingredient. Therefore the whole Iranian etymology section seems highly dubious to me, I'd suggest removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.176.121 ( talk) 12:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
In a number of European languages (Italian, Hungarian, Serbian, and I think the Austrian dialect) the word for 'tomato' is synonymous with 'paradise'. It would be interesting if the article could explain this unusual etymology. Nmcmurdo ( talk) 01:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought Philip Miller provided the scientific name? He however used the Tournefort classifications at first, but later used the binomial nomenclature of Carolus Linnaeus. 95.209.84.250 ( talk) 09:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I propose that most of the section " Types" be merged into List of tomato cultivars. -- Bensin ( talk) 21:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
It strikes me that this article has been growing somewhat 'organically' for some time—people sticking little additions in here and there. The result is somewhat incoherent. As such, I'd like to go through and 'refactor' it, just tidying things up and generally making it flow better. I can't say precisely what I intend to do yet (although as Bensin suggests above, the redundant 'Types' section will probably go), but if you object, speak now (or forever hold your peace). If no-one objects in about a week, I'll go for it. Thomas Kluyver ( talk) 13:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
When it is talking about "now Mexico city" it has an error. There is one missing comma that makes it sound odd. How do I correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.204.88 ( talk) 03:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Different person, those appear to be limes in the picture of the Indian Dish while the caption says lemons. Just a small thing I noticed. 67.243.20.72 ( talk) 11:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
A British lecturer at Unisa, Sally Hutchings, was deported after throwing a tomato at State President P W Botha to protest against curbs on the universities.
http://sites.google.com/site/tomatosaclub/home/itomatopw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.246.55.22 ( talk) 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Interesting. It does seem that in the popular imagination (at least in North America), the most desirable item to throw at a prisoner in the stocks - or by extension a corrupt politician or other unpopular public figure - was the rotten tomato. Is this some kind of Puritan inversion of the "golden apple"/"apple of Paradise" image? Heavenlyblue ( talk) 20:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The link to Selecting, Storing, and Serving Ohio tomatoes is broken it should be http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/5000/pdf/5532.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.206.178 ( talk) 14:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, many readers who seek the tomato article will desire information about nutrition. Currently, nutrition information is in a sub-sub-section about mid-way through the article. First, we read about taxonyms, history and cultivation. I propose moving the nutrition info box to just below the plant/species info box. The first paragaphs would continue to inform about tomato in the sense "plant" while immediately after, moved and new paragraphs would inform on tomato in the sense "food." While I assume more people search for tomato-food than tomato-plant, I think the style of wikipedia is better followed by listing the taxonomy/ontogeny information right up front, then the information on utility immediately after. Heathhunnicutt ( talk) 16:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
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I believe the scientific name of the tomato is wrong. It should be Lycopersciom esculantum. please verify it. Thanks 188.220.72.27 ( talk) 17:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Tomato shortages have occurred at different times for ~100 years and should probably be mentioned in this article. (It looks to me as if there is enough for a standalong tomato shortage article). Smartse ( talk) 11:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello there is many concepts and arguments that the tomato is a fruit or if it is a vegetable. Some say That the tomato is a fruit because it has seeds. Other's say that the tomato is a vegteable because it isn't sweet and the majority of fruits are sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.174.250 ( talk) 18:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC) Fruit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.152.202.162 ( talk) 00:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
"as well as the plant (Solanum lycopersicum) which bears it." might be better phrased along the lines of "which can also refer to the plant" etc. Saying "X ... is an edible fruit as well as the plant" might lead some to think the plant is edible--assuming they don't read all the way through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.152.238 ( talk) 03:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure what to do, trying to fix a error on the page. Under cultivationit says China is the world leader in the production of tomato's and produces 25% of the worlds crop... The US tonage is 1/3 of China's but somehow Califorina grows 35% of the worlds crop? The math doesn't add up... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greglobe ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Why are tomatoes more acidic than many other foods, such as cucumbers, cabbage and probably beets and meat, or even milk? I know they contain vitamin C, but so do alkaline cucumbers. I know apples and citrus fruit are more acidic, but they contain malic and citric acids respectively. I even know of what makes grapes acidic. Why is tomato pH not much more than 3? Is it lycopene? Do they contain pyruvic acid? Has anyone studied the chemistry in question? 24.184.234.24 ( talk) 00:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)LeucineZipper
Thanks. Now I know why tomatoes taste more like vinegar than most fruit; it is acetic acid. 24.184.234.24 ( talk) 19:55, 30 April 2011 (UTC)LeucineZipper
The first line of the article is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.38.201 ( talk) 17:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
This is the only thing I can find regarding how they taste. Still it's better than no reference at all (at least I don't see any references in the first paragraph). http://www.bostonfoodandwhine.com/2008/06/26/what-does-a-tomato-taste-like/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.39.18 ( talk) 14:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Google the phrase "tomatoes are savory" and you get 2 pages: "Page 2 of 20 results (0.05 seconds)" (changing the spelling to savoury adds another 17 results). Google the phrase "tomatoes are sweet": Page 55 of about 22,600 results (0.14 seconds). It's a little bit embarrassing that Wikipedia has something like this wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.185.108 ( talk) 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
The quotation marks are right there. I just thought the Google search results would help to illustrate my point (I mean the ratio is 1:1000). I guess it's possible that all 22000 of those people are wrong. Leave the arbitrary, unreferenced, inexpert opinion there if that's what this site is about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.185.108 ( talk) 15:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The simple fact that there is a restaurant chain named "sweet tomatoes" shows the flaws in the logic of using Google hits as any sort of indicator. Ridernyc ( talk) 22:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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The entry on tomato states that the Council of the European Union gave a directive that tomatoes should be considered fruits. This occurs in the "Fruit or vegetable?" section of the entry. A source is listed, but after reading the source material, it is evident that the entry's wording is incorrect and the entire line should be deleted. The directive that is used as a source states that carrots should be considered fruits for the sake of the directive. This is obviously meant to be a way to clarify their uses for objective of the directive and not a way to reclassify tomatoes and carrots as fruits.
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Seems rather unfounded to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.233.45 ( talk) 21:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I understand that tomato seeds pass undigested though the human gut, and so sewage plants are often surrounded by tomato plants. Anyone confirm? Danceswithzerglings ( talk) 03:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Have you ever driven by a sewage treatment plant? Most of the "weeds" you see around those places are actually tomato plants. Brothernight ( talk) 04:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I have actually seen sewage treatment plants and have never seen tomato plants growing anywhere near one. As the soil in such places is very tough (because the sites are carefully chosen), and generally clay, one is not likely to find much of anything growing near one. Certainly, not in California. I find the statement unlikely, as that would mean that sewage from the treatment facility is seeping through the soil to the outside. On top of that, it also supposes that delicate tomato seeds have survived the harsh temperatures, chemical attacks and who knows what else in order to survive. Gingermint ( talk) 02:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
In existing section:
Tomatoes were not grown in England until the 1590s, according to Smith. One of the earliest cultivators was John Gerard, a barber-surgeon.[6] Gerard's Herbal, published in 1597 and largely plagiarized from continental sources[citation needed],
The citation required for the plagiarism claim is supported by information at the URL:
http://www.controverscial.com/John%20Gerard.htm
"There is however a cloud of controversy surrounding the original contents of the Herbal. It is believed that Gerard may have used a translation of Stirpium historiae pemptades sex (1583) by the Flemish botanist Rembertus Dodoens." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan.x.jackson ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
The entire section was too long. I reduced it to just pertinent information. Gingermint ( talk) 02:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
Look at that Picture. That can be the new picture in the box. On that picture there is the plant, too. Sorry for my bad english...
Gab997 ( talk) 13:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
The article as written claims that speakers in the Southeastern US pronounce "tomato" with the "ah" sound - as in the UK - and that other American speakers pronounce the word with the "ay" sound. I've lived in the Southeast my entire life and have never, ever heard another Southerner use the "ah" pronunciation (at least not ironically). The usual pronunciations you get around here are: "Tuh-MAY-tah," "MAY-ter," and "Tuh-MAY-ter," in roughly descending order of popularity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.210.71.103 ( talk) 00:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Rotel&beans ( talk) 21:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
The entries on eggplant and potato indicate that tomatoes are in the same genus; both the eggplant and potato "scientific classification" sidebar indicates that they are also "(unranked): Asterids". Shouldn't this be included in the tomato scientific classification sidebar as well?
I'm not a biologist, so something subtle may have escaped me. Will someone knowledgeable please take care of this? Bill Jefferys ( talk) 00:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
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In the first line ("Tomato may refer to both the plant (Solanum lycopersicum) and the edible, typically red, fruit which it bears.") The word "tomato" needs to be in italics or quotes, because of the use–mention distinction (it is mentioned, not used). That is clunky, though, so I suggest that the sentence be otherwise recast. 68.54.4.162 ( talk) 03:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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Under the section "Companion plants", there is a missing close-parentheses in the paragraph starting "Other plants with strong scents,". The list "(basil, oregano, spearmint" should be "(basil, oregano, spearmint)".
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This web site lists tomato records and provides the grower the lineage for tomatoes that grow large or giant tomatoes. http://tomato.vegetabletoplant.com Pomingo ( talk) 02:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC). I would like to propose the addition of an external link that could lead directly to the specific product trade data held by ITC. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations 2) No registration is required 3) Trade data (imports/exports) are regularly updated 4) The link gives direct access to the trade database referring to the specific product 5) The addition of a link to reliable trade data could provide an appropriate contribution to the article related Thank you in advance for your attention. Divoc ( talk) 19:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Anybody know why this article is semi-protected and seems to have been for a long time? 79.79.248.99 ( talk) 13:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
This seems a very unlikely claim, given that the tomato originated in the Americas in prehistoric times and arrived in Europe in the 16th century. -- Ef80 ( talk) 01:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Pioneer America, Volumes 11, Pioneer America Society, 1979, p. 112-113 argues that the the idea that people thought tomatoes were poisonous was a myth. The Encyclopedia America (the origin of the myth) did not list its sources, and earlier documents simply do not mention it.
Per Andrew Smith's "The Tomato In America," p. 40, 2001, "...while some Americans obviously did believe that tomatoes were poisonous, this phenomenon has been blown out of proportion by well-intentioned popular historians. Research has located only three references to the tomato's purported poisonous qualities published in America prior to 1860. One was from a reprinted British medical work, reflecing outmoded beliefs in Britain rather than in America. The second was a facetious comment published in a newspaper." The third, like twenty five possible references to a poisonous nature, were attempts "to explain the discrpancy between the tomato's lack of previous usage juxtaposed to its then current general consumption." Tomatos were not eaten because farmers did not know how to grow them, cooks did not have any recipes for them, and consumers were not so ready to consume unfamiliar foods; not because people thought they were poisonous.
Wikipedia does not mention the cherry tree incident in George Washington's biography, nor does it insist that Christopher Columbus sailed to prove the world was round, so it should not maintain other myths either. 74.236.132.45 ( talk) 21:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have any proof whatsoever to reference that A) the tomato plant itself contains solanine and B) they are toxic to humans in any amount? In the first case, clicking on the Wikipedia article for solanine leads to the dispute that tomato plants even contain solanine, rather they contain only tomatine. In the second case, the only citation given for tomato leaves' toxicity in humans appears to be a dead link. In any case, the toxicity example is still only one case, if it's even true.
Further, this very article links to the New York Times article about cooking with tomato leaves, which has a lot more information than simply "a small amount of leaves is probably not going to hurt you", as seems to be the implication. If the information is accurate, tomato leaves aren't going to be toxic to humans at all, no matter how much you eat, because the tomatine is bound with cholesterol in the gut and is not only passed through the digestive system, but takes the cholesterol with it, giving a health benefit as well. I've eaten tomato leaves, in fact I do regularly, and it does nothing. I realize that doesn't qualify as a verifiable reference, however it does lead me to be inclined to agree with the New York Times article, so there must me more out there on this.
I've looked it up as thoroughly as I can and have found nothing but old wives' tales about people "learning when they were growing up" not to eat the leaves, but NOTHING of scientific value. There's also at least one book, "Cooking in the Moment: A Year of Seasonal Recipes" by Andrea Reusing that has a recipe that calls for tomato leaves.
So, to make a long story short, this is a call to clean up the section talking about the seemingly non-existent toxicity of the leaves and stems (can't believe it's there in the first place, seeing as there is no source for it), and also a call for more references to the fact. There seems to be an abundance of myth, but I'll remind everyone that this is not the kind of thing that the section of an article here should be based on. 184.167.224.119 ( talk) 22:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Forgot to add one other source I found, touting the benefits of eating tomatine: Google Book link 184.167.224.119 ( talk) 22:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The article makes suggests that the tomato was considered poisonous in North America, without explaining why. The tomato may have been a catalyst to lead poisoning, by leaching lead from pewter plates and utensils. http://historymedren.about.com/od/dailylifesociety/a/bod_tomatoes.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimschott ( talk • contribs) 03:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
If lead poisoning were a concern, women would not have used white lead as makeup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimschott ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this article is up to GA status?-- Bigpoliticsfan ( talk) 00:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the article it is stated WITHOUT REFERENCE that tomatoes originated in Mexico. This is not encyclopedic at all. There are indications that tomatoes originated in South America, in the Andean valleys of what is today Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador. Scholars are not sure whether tomatoes were cultivated first by the Aztec, by the Incas, or by previous civilizations or people in the American continent.
The introduction in this article therefore NEEDS TO be changed. I have nit been able to edit it as someone decided to make the article "semi-protected".
Here are some general references backing my claims:
http://www.britishtomatoes.co.uk/history
http://homecooking.about.com/od/foodhistory/a/tomatohistory.htm
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02859492#page-1
90.244.6.71 ( talk) 21:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Spanish wikipedia's Solanum lycopersicum (tomato) is a source of scholarly sources Xb2u7Zjzc32 ( talk) 17:31, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
The third paragraph is taken word-for-word from the third paragraph of the about.com source cited at the end: http://homecooking.about.com/od/foodhistory/a/tomatohistory.htm
Also, I'm not sure how trustworthy about.com is as a source is the first place. Jumper4677 ( talk) 15:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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Please remove "(although the leaves are)", since there is no evidence that leaves are toxic. They contain tomatine, not solanine, which is not known to cause any harm to humans. Marc.sevigny ( talk) 17:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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Please delete the following paragraph
Hybrid plants remain common, since they tend to be heavier producers, and sometimes combine unusual characteristics of heirloom tomatoes with the ruggedness of conventional commercial tomatoes.
My justification for the request is as follows Non Hybrid plants also remain common. Therfore there is no need to make this statement. There is no referrence here to back up the statement and I feel that all these attributes can also be attributed to some non Hybrid varieities. The statement, as it stands seems unsubstantiated, unneccessary, and biased against normal tomatoes (ie. non-hybridised varieties) For example: in Australia the open pollinated variety, Grosse Lisse, that is most widely grown, in home gardens, consistantly outperforms any other variety in most respects.
The main reason Grosse Lisse is not grown widely on commercial farms is that it does not travel and hold as well as hybrid varieties
Many non-hybrid open pollinated varieties are as "rugged" as any hybrid varieties...I can supply a list of open pollinated varieties that would be considered as "rugged" as any hybrid variety if you feel the need.
Your article also mentions that the worlds record holding tomato plant produced over 500Kg. It was not a Hybrid variety but it was an open pollinated variety
To reitterate...the statement is unsubstantiated and biased and possibly even inflammatory. 124.180.196.220 ( talk) 21:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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Tomato leaves are not poisonous as stated on this page under History --> Etymology and pronunciation. Please remove "(although the leaves are)" from this section.
[1] [2] 208.104.41.181 ( talk) 18:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC) 208.104.41.181 ( talk) 18:33, 13 February 2015 (UTC)Ross Goddard
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Should there be added that there is a certain confusion internationally, as in some countries fruits and vegetables are purely culinary terms? Having a separate word for the fruit for must of them the tomato, and many others are berries? Ivan2007 ( talk) 22:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
It's odd that a heading would have a question mark: Fruit or Vegetable? The question defines the context- culinary. Therefore the answer is simple, it's a vegetable. Fruit has both a botanical and culinary usage whereas vegetable has only a culinary usage. Lashes1776 ( talk) 16:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't think this uncited sentance from the article is very accurate: "However, the tomato has a much lower sugar content than other edible fruits, and is therefore not as sweet.". It seems to be ignoring all the other fruits that are not 'culinary fruits' - courgettes and other squashes, aubergines, okra, beans, peppers, etc.
The section mentions "this dispute" without first establishing that there is a dispute about tomatoes being a fruit or a vegetable. It might be good to add something about when and how the question of whether the tomato is a fruit or a vegetable was popularized. sorsoup ( talk) 22:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
A small minority of the population (including me), has a very potent visceral reaction to the taste and smell of the raw tomato. The reaction I have is an instant gag reflex, and the taste is an overwhelming bitter flavor that masks the flavor of most anything else I eat. It is not the difference between a truly ripened tomato versus commercially artificially ripened tomato, but an inherent chemical receptor reaction, not unlike cilantro. In my experience, the compound seems to be concentrated in the juice around the seeds. The flesh and ribs are tolerable. It is not a reaction to texture of the seeds, or the jelly-like juice around the seeds. Most of those adverse to raw tomatoes do consume and often enjoy well-cooked tomatoes, i.e. tomato paste, pasta sauces, oven-baked 'sun-dried' tomatoes. Heat for a long duration (in excess of 1 hour cooking) and/or removal of the seeds seem to eliminate the offending compound. Also, combining with a fatty compound seems to lessen the bitter flavor of raw tomato (i.e. guacamole with raw tomato added), but does not completely eliminate it.
I've looked for hard science behind my experiences, yet it eludes me. I've come across a few blogs which refer to the same conclusions I have.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2012/05/29/tasters-choice-why-i-hate-raw-tomatoes-and-you-dont/ http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/i-admit-it-i-hate-tomatoes?xg_source=activity http://whippedtheblog.com/2011/07/11/tackling-raw-tomatoes-one-bite-at-a-time/
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IcepickD ( talk) 06:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC) I'm not asking for pity and dismissal, I'm asking for knowledge and science.
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The scientific species epithet lycopersicum means "wolf peach", and comes from German werewolf myths. These legends said that deadly nightshade was used by witches and sorcerers in potions to transform themselves into werewolves, so the tomato's similar, but much larger, fruit was called the "wolf peach" when it arrived in Europe.
This ia some horrible nonsense. The word lycopersicum comes from Greek and it was first used by Galen to describe a plant, which some sources call unidentified, while others identify as this. So how a term coined in ancient Greek could possibly have anything to do with German myths??? This bullshit is even sourced. 159.205.240.233 ( talk) 00:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
THE EDIBLE WOLF PEACH Tomatoes belong to the genus Lycopersicon, which means “wolf peach,” from the Greek �´�� (wolf) and ��� �´� (Persian, which alludes to Persian apple, the appellation Europeans first bestowed on the peach when it arrived from China via Persia). This is a direct translation from another term for the fruit, the German Wolfpfirsich. However did such an agreeable fruit acquire such a disagreeable name? It originates in the werewolf myth. Early Renaissance Europeans were suspicious of the tomato upon its arrival from South America because of its striking likeness to deadly nightshade (Atropus belladonna—the source of atropine*). German legend claims that witches used nightshade to summon werewolves, and what could be more attractive to a werewolf than nightshade with a berry the size of a peach? Although modern German speakers know tomatoes as Tomaten or Paradeisäpfel, the earliest German name for tomatoes was Wolfpfirsich — “wolf peach.” Sadly, it took years before the tomato was widely recognized as harmless and incorporated into European cuisines. In the 18th century, Carl Linnaeus, noting the werewolf legend, applied his new binomial nomenclature system to name the tomato Lycopersicon esculentum, the “edible wolf peach.” Despite the charm of the history behind it, the Linnaean classification may be supplanted by a phylogenetic classification that would group the tomato plant based on its evolutionary relationship to other organisms; the name, Solanum lycopersicum, has been suggested. - Jytdog ( talk) 00:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Per our article, this is likely a predatory publisher and we shouldn't cite it. Jytdog ( talk) 14:06, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
I removed the content below from the Production section because it has low relevance to actual production and vague importance overall per WP:UNDUE. Also, the source cited here, just lists the regions, with no encyclopedic background for why these regions are "protected" and why this is significant for a discussion about tomato production. Please discuss whether this content should be included. -- Zefr ( talk) 14:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Within the EU, there are several areas that grow tomatoes with Protected Geographical Status. These include:
There is a contradiction in this section. First, the author says, "...green unripe fruit of the tomato plant...contain the poison solanine, which is toxic to humans and animals." But at the end of the paragraph, the author says, "The fresh fruit is, however, harmless." The problem in the wording is that green unripe fruit can also be considered fresh (assuming, of course, that it's not cooked, dried, or frozen), yet it cannot be both toxic and harmless. Perhaps the author meant to say that the RED RIPE fruit is harmless. I am suggesting that the words "fresh fruit" be changed to "ripe" or "red ripe." 188.248.255.253 ( talk) 00:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)Rick Glaser, March 26, 2010.
Actually, there is a variety of tomato that stays green after it ripens. This variety is used to make "fried green tomatoes", not unripe tomatoes. According to Cornell University's Department of Animal Science, "Production of solanum-type glycoalkaloids is favored by the same conditions that promote the development of chlorophyll. Therefore, the concentration of these glycoalkaloids is highest in potato sprouts and green potato skins, and tomato vines and green tomatoes. Care should be taken to prevent the exposure of potatoes to sunlight. These alkaloids are not destroyed by cooking or drying at high temperatures. New potato varieties can not be introduced unless they contain less than 20 mg glycoalkaloids/100 g." Here is the URL to the cited warning posted by Cornell University: http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/steroid.html Brothernight ( talk) 05:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
The section on classification says the tomato does not have alkaloids typical of Solanum. Actually tomatine is related to solanine, albeit less poisonous. Both are steroidal glycosides, not tropine-type alkaloids. Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX ( talk) 19:38, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, I Grow tomatoes on a commercial base in the Netherlands and I noticed that one important tomato pest is missing in the list. I'm talking about Tomato russet mite ( aculops lycopersici) Next to nothing is mentioned on this mite on Wiki sow I started a page for it /info/en/?search=Aculops_lycopersici.
Pleas link it in this artikel as I can assure you that it is a big problem in the Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinkhoest ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Zefr: I don't understand why you reverted my edit. The USDA link I gave goes directly to the data table, whereas the one you put just gives a "Foods List" and then you need to figure out what to click on to get to the data. Eric Kvaalen ( talk) 05:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the value for the energy content from the table because it is inconsistent with the other values in the table. The USDA database gives 74 kJ, but this is not consistent with their own formula, which says the number of kilocalories is 4*(protein+non-fibre carbs)+9*fat. Multiplying this by 4.184 gives 67 kJ. Even if one does not exclude the fibre, one still gets a different number from the 74 kJ they report. I don't know how to explain why there is this discrepancy. I have simply removed the number because when I tried to put the value which is consistent with the USDA values for protein, carbohydrate, and fat, it was removed as "original research". Last year I was part of a long debate about whether we should put statements in Wikipedia which are obviously false, just because they come from what is usually considered a reliable source. In the end the others agreed to delete the false statement. Eric Kvaalen ( talk) 09:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
The image < /info/en/?search=Tomato#/media/File:End_of_Summer_Tomatoes.jpg>, in section 3.7 Modern Commercial Varieties, has an inaccurate caption. The pictured tomatoes exhibiting yellow shoulders have, contrary to the caption, ripened uniformly; the yellow shoulders are a physiological disorder, not under ripe fruits. See < /info/en/?search=Tomato#/media/File:End_of_Summer_Tomatoes.jpg> for further explanation of yellow shoulder on tomatoes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.194.106 ( talk) 18:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Here is a citation for TOMATO, Section 4.5 Pollinators, third paragraph, first "CITATION NEEDED" in the text below (that the bumble bee is a sonicating pollinator of tomatoes and is "cultred" for use in hydroponics or greenhouses)(Not sure about the format. and I have not made enough edits to access this semi-protected page.)
Frankie, Gordon and Robbin W. Thorpe, Rollin E. Coville, Barbara Ertter, California Bees & Blooms / A Guide for Gardeners and Naturalists (2014) Heyday: Berkeley, California AND California Native Plant Society: Sacramento, California. (Page 52.)
The citation also states, and may therefor justify the addition of the following sentence in the paragraph:
"Many bumblebees, especially the California bumble bee (Bombus californicas) have an especially long tongue, allowing it to efficiently take nectar from several California native plants as well as the deep flower of the tomato. "
ORIGINAL TEXT: This is not the same as self-pollination, despite the common claim that tomatoes do so. That tomatoes pollinate themselves poorly without outside aid is clearly shown in greenhouse situations, where pollination must be aided by artificial wind, vibration of the plants (one brand of vibrator is a wand called an "electric bee" that is used manually), or more often today, by cultured bumblebees.[citation needed] The anther of a tomato flower is shaped like a hollow tube, with the pollen produced within the structure, rather than on the surface, as in most species. The pollen moves through pores in the anther, but very little pollen is shed without some kind of externally-induced motion. The best source of outside motion is a sonicating bee, such as a bumblebee, or the original wild halictid pollinator. In an outdoors setting, wind or animals usually provide sufficient motion to produce commercially viable crops.[citation needed]
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This topic should be in the See also section
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Including Solanum lycopersicum, currently 13 species are recognized in Solanum section Lycopersicon. Three of these species — S. cheesmaniae, galapagense, and pimpinellifolium — are fully cross compatible with domestic tomato. Four more species—S. chmielewskii, S. habrochaites, S. neorickii, and S. pennelli—can be readily crossed with domestic tomato, with some limitations. Five species—S. arcanum, S. chilense, S. corneliomulleri, S. huaylasense, and S. peruvianum—can be crossed with domestic tomato with difficulty and usually require embryo rescue to produce viable plants. The Lycopersicon section has not been fully sampled within wild species in the South American range, so new species may be added in the future. citation needed
Solanum section Lycopersicoides and section Juglandifolium are represented by two species each that are considered bridge species genetically intermediate between tomato and non-tuber bearing potato species. S. lycopersicoides can be crossed with domestic tomato and introgression lines [1] have been developed. This species was significant in moving the domestic tomato from separate genus status into the Solanum group because it directly links the tomato into the potato family. citation needed
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Is it a vegetable or fruit Joethevoss ( talk) 03:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
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"Change Tomato to a fruit because it has seeds." LozP ( talk) 22:51, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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Currently, in the section " In popular culture" of the article, there is a mention of a bill in Ontario's legislature to name tomato as the province's official vegetable and to designate a day for it:
In Ontario, Canada, member of provincial parliament Mike Colle named the tomato the official vegetable of the province and designated 15 July as Tomato Day under the Tomato Act in 2016. [1] [2]
- ^ "Queen's Park This Week: Will new carding rules make a difference?". tvo.org. 24 March 2016.
- ^ Bill 179, Tomato Act, 2016 Legislative Assembly of Ontario
The wording makes it sound like the tomato has indeed become the province's official vegetable, and the said Tomato Day established. But in fact, his Bill 179 failed to pass (it did not even receive a debate before it died; sources for verification are provided below), meaning that there was no official designation and no day established.
Therefore, I propose that the paragraph above be replaced with the following one. There is also some related information added to the new version. Note: If you decide to go ahead with this edit request, do not copy the horizontal separator (----
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In Ontario, Canada, member of provincial parliament Mike Colle introduced a private member's bill in March 2016 to name the tomato as the official vegetable of the province and to designate 15 July as Tomato Day, in order to acknowledge the tomato's importance in Ontario's agriculture. [1] [2] The bill did not pass in the legislature and no official designations were made. [3]
- ^ Bill 179, Tomato Act, 2016 Legislative Assembly of Ontario
- ^ "Queen's Park This Week: Will new carding rules make a difference?". tvo.org. 24 March 2016.
- ^ "From the Great Ketchup Wars to combating human trafficking: the silly and the serious private members' bills of 2016". tvo.org. 27 December 2016.
Thanks for your help. 162.156.112.183 ( talk) 04:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
[[:File: Derfuehrersfaceposter.JPG|thumb|left| Donald Duck throws a tomato at Hitler in the 1943 propaganda film Der Fuehrer's Face.]]
I felt that it was entirely appropriate for the subject - i.e. it is a very clear example of a depiction of a tomato in popular fiction, and was a useful addition to the page. However, Zefr reverted my edit at record speed with the argument that it "Doesn't add anything significant, and could be offensive to some" (at least recognizing that my edit was "good faith", thank you!). I asked Zefr who, except for Neo-Nazis, could be offended by a cartoon of Hitler being humiliated by Donald Duck, and got the answer that it might be "offensive to descendants of Holocaust victims who read Wikipedia". This seems to me highly improbable, to say the least. If at the time when this film was made the cartoon could have been shown to the inmates of Nazi concentration camps, I think that they would have been cheered up by it - it would have been the guards and other Nazis who would have been offended. Anyway, Zefr suggested that I take it up on this page, and I am following this suggestion. Comments, anybody? Blanche of King's Lynn ( talk) 21:34, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Who agrees that beefsteak tomatoes and small bosai like cherry tomato plants should be different subspecies?
Orengi Harvey ( talk) 10:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Under heading 3: History: In the first paragraph, next-to-last sentence: change "contains" to "contain". (TWO things -- leaves and immature fruit -- "contain".) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howard41 ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The fruit vs vegetable section is too US-centric, and needs more information about views outside the United States. In the United Kingdom, tomatoes are usually regarded as fruits, for instance. 73.168.5.183 ( talk) 20:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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Change eggplant to aubergine Sam te Man ( talk) 22:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Not done:
Eggplant is the name of the English Wikipedia article. --
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Should a mention of their containing a toxin making them bad for people with arthritis get a mention here? Mayumashu ( talk) 15:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
"Alexander W. Livingston was the first person who succeeded in upgrading the wild tomato," What is it a damned cell phone? Botanists to not "upgrade" plants. Plants are a biological organism. Just like you can't "upgrade" your son or daughter. Perhaps the writer meant "domesticated"? If Livingston improved the "wild tomato" as the writer claims, then it was domesticated, not "upgraded" like an Ipad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.230.31 ( talk) 21:57, 8 March 2016 March (UTC)
'may have been'
It's of little relevance including conjecture in an article, especially when it goes without saying that there can be no source, reference or citation to it. It doesn't add anything to the main topic so it's of questionable value as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.190 ( talk) 05:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
"may have been the first to transfer the small yellow tomato to Europe"
It’s doubtful this type of conjecture adds anything of value to this article. Eventually a European settler would have exported it to Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.117.190 ( talk) 14:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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I want to move one sentence to its preceding paragraph. Currently, the introductory paragraph of the history section leaps from the wild tomato plant to the Spanish bringing it to Europe, ignoring Mesoamerican history until the following paragraph. The first subsection Mesoamerica suffers not at all by moving its first sentence up into the introduction, and the flow of the introduction is improved. The sentence is
Aztecs and other peoples in Mesoamerica were the first to have domesticated the fruit and used in their cooking.
I would like it moved into the introductory paragraph thusly:
The wild ancestor of the tomato is native to western South America. [1] These wild versions were the size of peas. [1] Aztecs and other peoples in Mesoamerica were the first to have domesticated the fruit and used in their cooking. The Spanish first introduced tomatoes to Europe, where they became used in Spanish food. In France, Italy and northern Europe, the tomato was initially grown as an ornamental plant. It was regarded with suspicion as a food because botanists recognized it as a nightshade, a relative of the poisonous belladonna. [2] This was exacerbated by the interaction of the tomato's acidic juice with pewter plates. [3] The leaves and immature fruit contains tomatine, which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains no tomatine. [4]
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help page).Mcgee-NYT
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help page).The exact date of domestication is unknown; by 500 BC, it was already being cultivated in southern Mexico and probably other areas. Sohowaboutthis ( talk) 01:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
in the etymology part of the article it says navel#) where it should say navel') at the end of the explanation of the meaning of Xitomatl/jitomate. would someone with privileges edit this minor edit for me? thank you! Aozeba (15 Dec 20)
The picture with this caption is a generic image of green tomatoes growing on a vine. What file was originally posted there? Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 15:44, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I think that the sub-section on the age-old
fruit-versus-vegetable debate does not belong in the Name section. However, I can’t decide whether it should go in the Botany section or the History section. My inclination is for it to go at the end of the Botany section. Any suggestions, thoughts, ideas? Thanks!
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About text should be changed from "This article is about the plant and the fruit." to "This article is about the plant and the berry." because in the next line it is written "The tomato is the edible berry". DomantasZ ( talk) 12:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
The pronunciation of tomato in UK is “ təˈmɑː.təʊ ” , isn't “ /təˈmɑːtoʊ/ ”. I've searched on 2 Cambridge Dictionaries. Share ing is carrying ( talk) 03:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Adding the information that the tomato flower is also referred to as a perfect flower, since it has both male and female parts, could help the reader understand the flower better. -- Destructo66 ( talk) 18:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Does a failed private member's bill at Queen's Park really merit a mention in this article? Canada doesn't even make the top 10 tomato-growing countries. I don't want a reply, only for an editor with access -- and, logically, one who agrees with my point -- to delete this nonsense. Greetings from Ottawa. 76.69.87.247 ( talk) 12:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Section should be renamed either "United States" (currently, every mention is of that country) or "United States and Canada" (if Canadian mentions are to be included in the future) as the ancestral home of tomatoes, México, is obviously in North America. 76.69.87.171 ( talk) 09:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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After (or immediately before) the following:
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Thank you.
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There's a lot of unreferenced material here for which editors haven't been able to provide references for over five years. Such material must be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.61.180.106 ( talk) 16:32, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
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In this phrase:
their traditional pollinators, (probably a species of halictid bee) did
Please remove the comma, since it doesn't fit with the parentheses. 49.198.51.54 ( talk) 19:48, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove this bit from the introduction:
Tomatoes are a significant source of [[umami]] flavor.<ref name="fleming" /> It is consumed in diverse ways: raw or cooked, and in many dishes, sauces, [[salads]], and drinks. While tomatoes are [[fruit]]s—[[botanically]] classified as [[Berry (botany)|berries]]—they are commonly used [[Culinary arts|culinarily]] as a [[vegetable]] ingredient or [[side dish]].<ref name="eb" />
and replace it with this:
Tomatoes are a significant source of [[umami]] flavor.<ref name="fleming" /> They are consumed in diverse ways: raw or cooked, and in many dishes, sauces, [[salads]], and drinks. While tomatoes are [[fruit]]s—[[botanically]] classified as berries—they are commonly used [[Culinary arts|culinarily]] as a [[vegetable]] ingredient or [[side dish]].<ref name="eb" />
It's a bad idea to shift from "Tomatoes" to "It" in the first/second sentences (the structure makes sentence #2 sound like it's talking about the consumption of umami flavour, not the consumption of tomatoes), and Berry (botany) is linked at the beginning of the introduction, just a few sentences earlier. 49.198.51.54 ( talk) 19:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph under section 3.0 "History", change the last 2 sentences:
The leaves and immature fruit contains [[tomatine]], which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains no tomatine.<ref name="Mcgee-NYT" />
to:
The leaves and fruit contain [[tomatine]], which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains a much lower amount of tomatine than the immature fruit.<ref name="Mcgee-NYT" />
Details: Correct grammar in first sentence: "contains" -> "contain". Move "immature" from first sentence to second sentence. Expand last 2 words in second sentence.
Reason: The second sentence is contradictory and false, and the first sentence is relatedly misleading. It is clearly outlined and stated further in the article, and in the leader and body of the linked article on tomatine, that the ripe tomato does contain tomatine, just in lower quantity than the immature fruit and other parts of the plant such as leaves and stems. 97.32.2.54 ( talk) 18:38, 20 August 2022 (UTC)