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Following a reply of mine at the Teahouse some time ago, I have offered to assist an editor who is concerned about a WP:COI in editing this article directly (see also thread immediately above this one). He has sent me an off-wiki set of suggestions for minor alterations and appropriate sources or concerns over any statements already in the article (nine relatively minor suggestions in total). This is just to say that I will slowly work through that list, and treat them as if they were an edit request. If I find anything contentious, I undertake to bring it to this talk page for discussion and agreement. I have no other connection with this editor, save for a general interest in Antarctica. Nick Moyes ( talk) 09:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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Editors working on this topic may want to be aware that I have just been asked [1] by @ Timfoley50 to incorporate assertions from his book into this article. I declined. See the discussion at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Tom_Crean_Explorer ( permalink) My response [2] is long, but in summary i have told Tim that while I understand his enthusiasm, he has been way too pushy for way too long. WP:NOTHERE beckons. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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Nice. Time to rewrite an article, methinks. So to summarise, the article relies predominantly on webpages, three memoirs from a century ago (Shackleton, Huxley and Cherry-Garrard), and a variety of popular sources. Hopefully, I can reorganise them in such a way that the article doesn't have to go to FAR. Anybody think this is a waste of time? I'll leave this question up for a week, in case anyone does. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 16:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
For a number of years now, I’ve been attempting to bring about changes to this article as can be testified by the discussions on this talk page. On occasion, a strong passion to see alterations take place, got under the skin of a few others here and in hindsight, I get that - Rome wasn’t built in a day. Some sceptics saw my requests as being self-serving, after all, I’d written a biography about Tom Crean and I would stand to benefit from the changes if they were implemented. From the outset I had declared a conflict of interests but, try as I might to convey that my motives were entirely unselfish, they were still viewed on with suspicion by some and so I walked away for a period.
My biography of Crean, which I published in 2018, was a self-published version yet I discovered a host of new information during my research and I became aware that a number of things that populated the Wiki article for Tom Crean, were incorrect.
To try and get a better understanding of how alterations could possibly take place, I contacted the administrator of Wikimedia Ireland, via Twitter. At this time I was aware of the Wikipedia policy that rendered self-published books of low value when it came to sources used in evidence to provide integrity to a Wiki article. Her suggestion was to approach the Royal Irish Academy and attempt changes via the Dictionary of Irish Biography. I submitted all of my research to RIA and, after examination, changes to the DIB entry for Crean were implemented.
Wikipedia picked up on a number of the alterations and because they couldn’t be attributed to my research for a self-published book, they were instead attributed to DIB.
Any barrier to referencing my book in the Wikipedia page appeared to have been removed when, in May 2023, my biography of Crean was published by Merrion Press, an imprint of Irish Academic Press. However, an editor, who has since been blocked, took issue with this stating that books under the Merrion Press imprint did not qualify as being ‘scholarly’ The spat that followed led to an indefinite block being put on me by another editor who I believe is also now blocked.
My block has now been lifted and I'm extremely grateful for that. What I would like to propose to help kick start the process and, if there’s a consensus among editors here, is to provide a list of changes/additions for discussions to begin.
For fear of creating what could be considered a wall of text I’ll end things at this point and will wait to hear feedback from others in the first instance ( Timfoley50 ( talk) 15:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC))
Crean did XYZ in 1913'. Propose changing to '
Crean did ABC in 1912)
DIB entry expressly says 'blah blah ABC 1912'". Not "
My research suggests [etc etc no specific ref/page/quote/whatever]".
After returning in November 1916, though some source say October 1916, instead of focusing on stating the "right" version. OhanaUnited Talk page 15:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
'AM' is the postnominal letters for the Albert Medal - which Tom Crean was a recipient of. - ( 161.29.255.157 ( talk) 02:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC))
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Following a reply of mine at the Teahouse some time ago, I have offered to assist an editor who is concerned about a WP:COI in editing this article directly (see also thread immediately above this one). He has sent me an off-wiki set of suggestions for minor alterations and appropriate sources or concerns over any statements already in the article (nine relatively minor suggestions in total). This is just to say that I will slowly work through that list, and treat them as if they were an edit request. If I find anything contentious, I undertake to bring it to this talk page for discussion and agreement. I have no other connection with this editor, save for a general interest in Antarctica. Nick Moyes ( talk) 09:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
This discussion has been closed by OhanaUnited. Please do not modify it. |
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The following discussion has been closed by OhanaUnited. Please do not modify it. |
Editors working on this topic may want to be aware that I have just been asked [1] by @ Timfoley50 to incorporate assertions from his book into this article. I declined. See the discussion at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Tom_Crean_Explorer ( permalink) My response [2] is long, but in summary i have told Tim that while I understand his enthusiasm, he has been way too pushy for way too long. WP:NOTHERE beckons. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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Nice. Time to rewrite an article, methinks. So to summarise, the article relies predominantly on webpages, three memoirs from a century ago (Shackleton, Huxley and Cherry-Garrard), and a variety of popular sources. Hopefully, I can reorganise them in such a way that the article doesn't have to go to FAR. Anybody think this is a waste of time? I'll leave this question up for a week, in case anyone does. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 16:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
For a number of years now, I’ve been attempting to bring about changes to this article as can be testified by the discussions on this talk page. On occasion, a strong passion to see alterations take place, got under the skin of a few others here and in hindsight, I get that - Rome wasn’t built in a day. Some sceptics saw my requests as being self-serving, after all, I’d written a biography about Tom Crean and I would stand to benefit from the changes if they were implemented. From the outset I had declared a conflict of interests but, try as I might to convey that my motives were entirely unselfish, they were still viewed on with suspicion by some and so I walked away for a period.
My biography of Crean, which I published in 2018, was a self-published version yet I discovered a host of new information during my research and I became aware that a number of things that populated the Wiki article for Tom Crean, were incorrect.
To try and get a better understanding of how alterations could possibly take place, I contacted the administrator of Wikimedia Ireland, via Twitter. At this time I was aware of the Wikipedia policy that rendered self-published books of low value when it came to sources used in evidence to provide integrity to a Wiki article. Her suggestion was to approach the Royal Irish Academy and attempt changes via the Dictionary of Irish Biography. I submitted all of my research to RIA and, after examination, changes to the DIB entry for Crean were implemented.
Wikipedia picked up on a number of the alterations and because they couldn’t be attributed to my research for a self-published book, they were instead attributed to DIB.
Any barrier to referencing my book in the Wikipedia page appeared to have been removed when, in May 2023, my biography of Crean was published by Merrion Press, an imprint of Irish Academic Press. However, an editor, who has since been blocked, took issue with this stating that books under the Merrion Press imprint did not qualify as being ‘scholarly’ The spat that followed led to an indefinite block being put on me by another editor who I believe is also now blocked.
My block has now been lifted and I'm extremely grateful for that. What I would like to propose to help kick start the process and, if there’s a consensus among editors here, is to provide a list of changes/additions for discussions to begin.
For fear of creating what could be considered a wall of text I’ll end things at this point and will wait to hear feedback from others in the first instance ( Timfoley50 ( talk) 15:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC))
Crean did XYZ in 1913'. Propose changing to '
Crean did ABC in 1912)
DIB entry expressly says 'blah blah ABC 1912'". Not "
My research suggests [etc etc no specific ref/page/quote/whatever]".
After returning in November 1916, though some source say October 1916, instead of focusing on stating the "right" version. OhanaUnited Talk page 15:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
'AM' is the postnominal letters for the Albert Medal - which Tom Crean was a recipient of. - ( 161.29.255.157 ( talk) 02:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC))