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I hope I didn't offend the writer of this section, but I removed the excessive exclamation marks in the toast. Pied beauty 16:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
This article doesn't mention the origins of this practice. I think it would be a very interesting addition. Blaise Joshua 14:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Smallville claims that the origin was from a king (or something of the like) who feared his drink had been poisoned and so proposed a toast to ensure that his drink would spill into the other cups. I came here to see if it was true.
Also, how about toasting in various cultures? I recently spent a night out with some Chinese guys, they taught me the phrase "gen bai", which means "dry glass". Not sure if it's a toast as such, but it does involving raise glasses, shouting and downing your drink.
The article now contains the assertion that "The practice of toasting originated in Ancient Greece, at a time when fear of poisoning was a significant concern." Any chance of getting a source for that? -- 82.41.47.150 14:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
The article says that American rarely toast. I disagree. Is there a source anyone could find for this? Jmlk 1 7 07:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Same from my side, I quite disagree with the sort of statement made there, it is a generalisation of what situation might occur not of what actually is. The four guys on the photo would quite picture pretty well the party 'toasting' mood. And most of the claims that would be canadian/american are actually encountered pretty much everywhere in the world. Maplefanta ( talk) 01:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going to go ahead and remove the OP of that section, it someone can verify it they can put it back. BaldurtheGreat 01:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BaldurtheGreat ( talk • contribs)
Was it thought that the 'secondary toast' is not a toast at all? It fits the heading in that it 'honours'. This section was removed, but I think that it is certainly a legitimate toast (and is shown in literature as well). 76.19.119.93 ( talk) 19:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Please, if feasible, more info. on these translations, on cin cin cin, et cetera.
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This majestic greeting was all but unheard in North America until it was popularized by the film Crocodile Dundee and Foster's Lager. Many people mistakenly think the exclamation is British in origin, when in fact it truly arrived from down under.'
Which 'majestic greeting' is that?
* "Skål", in English often spelled "skol," ( Denmark, Norway, Sweden and parts of Finland, derives from the ancient viking habit of drinking mead out of the enemy's skull.)
I removed the part about Vikings drinking out of their enemies' skulls; this is widely considered to be the stuff of myth (much like Vikings having horned helmets), so it doesn't belong in the article unless some citation can be presented. Furthermore, the wording is misleading, as it may suggest to people who don't speak Scandinavian that 'Skål' is Danish/Swedish/Norwegian for skull, when in fact the word's modern meaning - and the meaning of the Icelandic 'skál' - is "bowl" (the word is etymologically connected to the word 'skal', which means 'shell' [1]), and supposedly the word is meant to encourage people to empty a bowl in somebody's name. -- TheFinalFraek ( talk) 14:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This toast is used in French as well. 80.202.37.179 ( talk) 12:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I went to German wiktionary, and searched "Gsundheit", from the (poorly named!) "Worldwide" section, producing
which in English is "Did you mean "Gesundheit"? I'm fixing it in the accompanying article.
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I want to remove the template from the article saying that it doesn't cite any sources, since it now cites several. But I can't figure out what the template is for the prose issue alone. I tried just removing the citation part from the multiple issue template, but it looked weird to have a headline of "multiple issues" when there only was one issue listed. Someone with better knowledge of WP templates than me should fix this. Bobber0001 ( talk) 10:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Some of these are common knowledge in the English-speaking world, many of them not at all so. Each one really needs validation with WP:RS DavidOaks ( talk) 22:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
DavidOaks ( talk) 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
British spelling or American? Two views: for British: Sprachmeister (says: "Given that the majority of English speakers use a spelling more akin to the British spelling, it is appropriate for an international audience to reach a wider number of people." DavidOaks says: "honor" gets 131m googlehits, "honour" 48m."
The article mentions "spiced toast". Does it mean "spiced toast"? 109.67.203.144 ( talk) 05:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Italian Treccani encyclopaedia states that "cincin" has chinese derivation, or is an onomatopoeia. I'm pretty sure that french, spanish and portoguese toast have the same history. I can't find any clue of hebrew past, so I changed the italian and put the cn on the other ones.-- EntroDipintaGabbia ( talk) 00:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC
Anecdotal evidence: my fiancée is French and she says it is onomatopoeia, and she hasn't heard of any notion of Chinese derivation. So, regardless if its true origins derive from Chinese, it is widely believed to be onomatopoeia, and is disseminated as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.254.160 ( talk) 03:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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I hope I didn't offend the writer of this section, but I removed the excessive exclamation marks in the toast. Pied beauty 16:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
This article doesn't mention the origins of this practice. I think it would be a very interesting addition. Blaise Joshua 14:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Smallville claims that the origin was from a king (or something of the like) who feared his drink had been poisoned and so proposed a toast to ensure that his drink would spill into the other cups. I came here to see if it was true.
Also, how about toasting in various cultures? I recently spent a night out with some Chinese guys, they taught me the phrase "gen bai", which means "dry glass". Not sure if it's a toast as such, but it does involving raise glasses, shouting and downing your drink.
The article now contains the assertion that "The practice of toasting originated in Ancient Greece, at a time when fear of poisoning was a significant concern." Any chance of getting a source for that? -- 82.41.47.150 14:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
The article says that American rarely toast. I disagree. Is there a source anyone could find for this? Jmlk 1 7 07:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Same from my side, I quite disagree with the sort of statement made there, it is a generalisation of what situation might occur not of what actually is. The four guys on the photo would quite picture pretty well the party 'toasting' mood. And most of the claims that would be canadian/american are actually encountered pretty much everywhere in the world. Maplefanta ( talk) 01:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going to go ahead and remove the OP of that section, it someone can verify it they can put it back. BaldurtheGreat 01:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BaldurtheGreat ( talk • contribs)
Was it thought that the 'secondary toast' is not a toast at all? It fits the heading in that it 'honours'. This section was removed, but I think that it is certainly a legitimate toast (and is shown in literature as well). 76.19.119.93 ( talk) 19:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Please, if feasible, more info. on these translations, on cin cin cin, et cetera.
Thank You,
[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 04:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
This majestic greeting was all but unheard in North America until it was popularized by the film Crocodile Dundee and Foster's Lager. Many people mistakenly think the exclamation is British in origin, when in fact it truly arrived from down under.'
Which 'majestic greeting' is that?
* "Skål", in English often spelled "skol," ( Denmark, Norway, Sweden and parts of Finland, derives from the ancient viking habit of drinking mead out of the enemy's skull.)
I removed the part about Vikings drinking out of their enemies' skulls; this is widely considered to be the stuff of myth (much like Vikings having horned helmets), so it doesn't belong in the article unless some citation can be presented. Furthermore, the wording is misleading, as it may suggest to people who don't speak Scandinavian that 'Skål' is Danish/Swedish/Norwegian for skull, when in fact the word's modern meaning - and the meaning of the Icelandic 'skál' - is "bowl" (the word is etymologically connected to the word 'skal', which means 'shell' [1]), and supposedly the word is meant to encourage people to empty a bowl in somebody's name. -- TheFinalFraek ( talk) 14:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This toast is used in French as well. 80.202.37.179 ( talk) 12:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I went to German wiktionary, and searched "Gsundheit", from the (poorly named!) "Worldwide" section, producing
which in English is "Did you mean "Gesundheit"? I'm fixing it in the accompanying article.
--
Jerzy•
t
00:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I want to remove the template from the article saying that it doesn't cite any sources, since it now cites several. But I can't figure out what the template is for the prose issue alone. I tried just removing the citation part from the multiple issue template, but it looked weird to have a headline of "multiple issues" when there only was one issue listed. Someone with better knowledge of WP templates than me should fix this. Bobber0001 ( talk) 10:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Some of these are common knowledge in the English-speaking world, many of them not at all so. Each one really needs validation with WP:RS DavidOaks ( talk) 22:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
DavidOaks ( talk) 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
British spelling or American? Two views: for British: Sprachmeister (says: "Given that the majority of English speakers use a spelling more akin to the British spelling, it is appropriate for an international audience to reach a wider number of people." DavidOaks says: "honor" gets 131m googlehits, "honour" 48m."
The article mentions "spiced toast". Does it mean "spiced toast"? 109.67.203.144 ( talk) 05:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Italian Treccani encyclopaedia states that "cincin" has chinese derivation, or is an onomatopoeia. I'm pretty sure that french, spanish and portoguese toast have the same history. I can't find any clue of hebrew past, so I changed the italian and put the cn on the other ones.-- EntroDipintaGabbia ( talk) 00:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC
Anecdotal evidence: my fiancée is French and she says it is onomatopoeia, and she hasn't heard of any notion of Chinese derivation. So, regardless if its true origins derive from Chinese, it is widely believed to be onomatopoeia, and is disseminated as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.254.160 ( talk) 03:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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