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On 1 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tito to Tito (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was moved. |
Is [Josip Broz Tito] really so famous as being "Tito" that every person who types in "Tito" should be redirected straight to this article? He's clearly not the only famous person to go by Tito. For example, there's Tito Jackson of the Jackson 5, and Dennis Tito, the space tourist. I think there should be a disambiguation page for "Tito", rather than a redirect to Josip Broz Tito. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.136.152.210 ( talk • contribs) 17 July 2005
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus WP:PTOPIC ( non-admin closure) {{replyto| SilverLocust}} ( talk) 10:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Tito → Tito (disambiguation) – There exists an indisputable WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Tito, namely Josip Broz Tito. WikiNav statistics of this disambiguation page show a devastating 98% outgoing traffic towards Josip Broz Tito. The next most popular outgoing link (with 0.8% of traffic), Tito Jackson, is never referred to mononymously as "Tito", while Josip Broz is frequently referred to as so. Much like Lenin redirects to Vladimir Lenin and Ataturk redirects to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Tito must redirect to Josip Broz Tito. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
people are in fact referred to under their given names and surnames—you forget that "Tito" was, in fact, a nom-de-plume mononym chosen by a certain Mr. Josip Broz during his undercover political days, writing articles for the Party journal under it. He continues to be mononymously referred to, in primary and secondary sources, as "Tito". 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Done Dr. Vogel ( talk) 12:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Since the move, we've seen the pattern of traffic at "Tito" change significantly:
Where between mid-2019 and mid-2023 it had averaged ~2-3k views/month, this quickly dropped to ~0.7k views/month after the move. The numbers are:
In the meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive we can confirm a part of those in identifiable clickstreams:
Because the clickstreams have filtering, and because the previous organic traffic at the disambiguation page name was negligible, and the general traffic pattern now seems to match, it seems likely that some of the traffic just consistently goes under the radar.
The ratios would be:
So this could mean that the primary redirect is good for between ~66% and ~80% of the readers, while there's a clearly visible minority of between ~20% and ~33% who have to reach for the navigational aid because they aren't in the right place because of the primary redirect.
I'm actually happy this seems to match the ~29% finding from 2023-05 noted in the previous discussion, because it generally confirms our understanding of these statistics. It's also interesting that it's closer to the ~33% than to the ~20%. -- Joy ( talk) 18:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
For reference, in the same months, this is the list of identifiable topics within that minority:
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 20 clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Tito_Jackson link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 18 clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 17 clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Tito_Santana link 15 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 23 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Tito_Jackson link 13 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) TITO link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) TITO link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 17
So there's evidence of a handful of people each month either going back and forth or navigating to the disambiguation list from somewhere else yet looking for the primary topic. Likewise there's some traffic going to TITO,
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 15 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 16 clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 14
Yet all that can be identified there is going to the lowercased version. -- Joy ( talk) 18:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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On 1 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tito to Tito (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was moved. |
Is [Josip Broz Tito] really so famous as being "Tito" that every person who types in "Tito" should be redirected straight to this article? He's clearly not the only famous person to go by Tito. For example, there's Tito Jackson of the Jackson 5, and Dennis Tito, the space tourist. I think there should be a disambiguation page for "Tito", rather than a redirect to Josip Broz Tito. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.136.152.210 ( talk • contribs) 17 July 2005
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus WP:PTOPIC ( non-admin closure) {{replyto| SilverLocust}} ( talk) 10:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Tito → Tito (disambiguation) – There exists an indisputable WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Tito, namely Josip Broz Tito. WikiNav statistics of this disambiguation page show a devastating 98% outgoing traffic towards Josip Broz Tito. The next most popular outgoing link (with 0.8% of traffic), Tito Jackson, is never referred to mononymously as "Tito", while Josip Broz is frequently referred to as so. Much like Lenin redirects to Vladimir Lenin and Ataturk redirects to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Tito must redirect to Josip Broz Tito. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
people are in fact referred to under their given names and surnames—you forget that "Tito" was, in fact, a nom-de-plume mononym chosen by a certain Mr. Josip Broz during his undercover political days, writing articles for the Party journal under it. He continues to be mononymously referred to, in primary and secondary sources, as "Tito". 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Done Dr. Vogel ( talk) 12:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Since the move, we've seen the pattern of traffic at "Tito" change significantly:
Where between mid-2019 and mid-2023 it had averaged ~2-3k views/month, this quickly dropped to ~0.7k views/month after the move. The numbers are:
In the meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive we can confirm a part of those in identifiable clickstreams:
Because the clickstreams have filtering, and because the previous organic traffic at the disambiguation page name was negligible, and the general traffic pattern now seems to match, it seems likely that some of the traffic just consistently goes under the radar.
The ratios would be:
So this could mean that the primary redirect is good for between ~66% and ~80% of the readers, while there's a clearly visible minority of between ~20% and ~33% who have to reach for the navigational aid because they aren't in the right place because of the primary redirect.
I'm actually happy this seems to match the ~29% finding from 2023-05 noted in the previous discussion, because it generally confirms our understanding of these statistics. It's also interesting that it's closer to the ~33% than to the ~20%. -- Joy ( talk) 18:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
For reference, in the same months, this is the list of identifiable topics within that minority:
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 20 clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Tito_Jackson link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 18 clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 17 clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Tito_Santana link 15 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 23 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Tito_Jackson link 13 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) TITO link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) TITO link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:Tito_(disambiguation) Josip_Broz_Tito link 17
So there's evidence of a handful of people each month either going back and forth or navigating to the disambiguation list from somewhere else yet looking for the primary topic. Likewise there's some traffic going to TITO,
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 10 clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 15 clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 16 clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:TITO Tito_(disambiguation) link 14
Yet all that can be identified there is going to the lowercased version. -- Joy ( talk) 18:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)