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Should the (minor but real) role of Evany (Eugène van Nyverseel) be included? He was Hergé's first collaborator, working with him from the start of Soviets on. According to Goddin ("Lignes de Vie", 2008), he did some very minor work on the Soviets, and took over some of the other work of Hergé (like Totor) to free him to work more fully on Tintin (see also Peeters on him). Fram ( talk) 13:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I have my doubts about the name of Lucien Peppermans - it is most unusal as a name, whereas Pepermans is quite common. Also, several sources have the Pepermans spelling. For one example, which looks like having some authority, see http://www.objectiftintin.com/whatsnew_Tintin_1103.lasso
Besides, earlier versions of this article do show the Pepermans spelling. I am however not an authority on the matter, nor do I have access to authorative dococuments. Who can confirm or correct? Jan olieslagers ( talk) 14:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there a source for this statement?
Other of his early cartoons were (re)published after having been re-researched/redrawn (into his more commonly known style) so why would he wait 40 years to republish it not-redrawn/re-researched if he at the same time regretted the original story for its poor quality?
I think the statement needs a proper source in order to remain. Thanks. Lklundin ( talk) 08:38, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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The article currently reads, "Pepermans...arrived at Brussels' Gare du Nord railway station...accompanied by a white dog; in later life Hergé erroneously claimed that he had accompanied Pepermans. They were greeted by a crowd of fans, who mobbed Pepermans and pulled him into their midst."
When the article says "They were greeted by a crowd of fans", does it means Pepermans and the dog? Or Pepermans and...who?
Furthermore, are we quite sure that Hergé was mistaken about having accompanied Pepermans to the station? I'm looking at the Little, Brown, and Company edition of Tintin in America, which includes notes in the back of the book, not only about in America, but also about in the Land of the Soviets. LB&C claims that Hergé did indeed accompany Pepermans and even includes a photo showing the two arriving at Gare du Nord together in 1930. I suppose it's hypothetically possible that the photo is mislabeled, but that seems unlikely.
Currently, this Wiki article uses three sources - Goddin, Peeters, and a Romanian-language source from a website called Filme Cărţi - for the entire paragraph about Pepermans. And all three sources are given together at the end of the paragraph, making it unclear which information comes from which source. I don't read Romanian, nor do I have access to the sources by Goddin and Peeters, so I'll need help in determining how to resolve this issue. Is anyone able to report on what those three sources say about the matter? -- Jpcase ( talk) 15:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I'd still love to try resolving this, if possible. To recap, the article currently says, Hergé erroneously claimed that he had accompanied Pepermans [to Brussels' Gare du Nord railway station], whereas it had been Julien De Proft. This statement is sourced with both The Art of Hergé, Inventor of Tintin: Volume I, 1907–1937, by Goddin, and Hergé: Son of Tintin, by Peeters. And yet, we have photos showing Hergé and Pepermans together at what is supposedly Gare du Nord. I'd happily address this issue myself, except that I don't have access to any of the sources. Fram, Midnightblueowl, if either of you have these books on hand, do you think you'd be able to check on what they say about Hergé misremembering this incident? The information should be found on page 67 of Goddin's book and pages 39-40 of Peeters' book. Thanks! -- Jpcase ( talk) 16:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
I've removed claims sourced to the Daily Mail. It's a deprecated source, and it absolutely should not be present in a Featured Article - it's literally the opposite of a Reliable Source, and grossly unreliable sources are a reason for defeaturing articles.
Per extensive WP:RSN discussion, and two wide general RFCs ( WP:DAILYMAIL), the Mail literally cannot be trusted for factual claims, nor for fidelitously recording the words of claimed interviewees. Recent discussion on RSN is about the Mail being caught fabricating past content on dailymail.co.uk - you literally can't trust the Mail as a source for the content of the Mail.
Rather than using such a stupendously bad source in a FA, I've removed the cite and the text backed by it - which is not structural, so the article quality is not hampered.
Discussion of use of the Daily Mail on a Featured Article should be on WP:RSN or at the very least notified there - the two general RFCs are not a matter for WP:LOCALCONSENSUS - David Gerard ( talk) 15:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."the editor" is you, and "a reliable source" is not the Daily Mail.
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Reviewer: Qrsdogg ( talk) 02:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Beginning a review of the article. Qrsdogg ( talk) 02:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Should the (minor but real) role of Evany (Eugène van Nyverseel) be included? He was Hergé's first collaborator, working with him from the start of Soviets on. According to Goddin ("Lignes de Vie", 2008), he did some very minor work on the Soviets, and took over some of the other work of Hergé (like Totor) to free him to work more fully on Tintin (see also Peeters on him). Fram ( talk) 13:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I have my doubts about the name of Lucien Peppermans - it is most unusal as a name, whereas Pepermans is quite common. Also, several sources have the Pepermans spelling. For one example, which looks like having some authority, see http://www.objectiftintin.com/whatsnew_Tintin_1103.lasso
Besides, earlier versions of this article do show the Pepermans spelling. I am however not an authority on the matter, nor do I have access to authorative dococuments. Who can confirm or correct? Jan olieslagers ( talk) 14:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Is there a source for this statement?
Other of his early cartoons were (re)published after having been re-researched/redrawn (into his more commonly known style) so why would he wait 40 years to republish it not-redrawn/re-researched if he at the same time regretted the original story for its poor quality?
I think the statement needs a proper source in order to remain. Thanks. Lklundin ( talk) 08:38, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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The article currently reads, "Pepermans...arrived at Brussels' Gare du Nord railway station...accompanied by a white dog; in later life Hergé erroneously claimed that he had accompanied Pepermans. They were greeted by a crowd of fans, who mobbed Pepermans and pulled him into their midst."
When the article says "They were greeted by a crowd of fans", does it means Pepermans and the dog? Or Pepermans and...who?
Furthermore, are we quite sure that Hergé was mistaken about having accompanied Pepermans to the station? I'm looking at the Little, Brown, and Company edition of Tintin in America, which includes notes in the back of the book, not only about in America, but also about in the Land of the Soviets. LB&C claims that Hergé did indeed accompany Pepermans and even includes a photo showing the two arriving at Gare du Nord together in 1930. I suppose it's hypothetically possible that the photo is mislabeled, but that seems unlikely.
Currently, this Wiki article uses three sources - Goddin, Peeters, and a Romanian-language source from a website called Filme Cărţi - for the entire paragraph about Pepermans. And all three sources are given together at the end of the paragraph, making it unclear which information comes from which source. I don't read Romanian, nor do I have access to the sources by Goddin and Peeters, so I'll need help in determining how to resolve this issue. Is anyone able to report on what those three sources say about the matter? -- Jpcase ( talk) 15:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I'd still love to try resolving this, if possible. To recap, the article currently says, Hergé erroneously claimed that he had accompanied Pepermans [to Brussels' Gare du Nord railway station], whereas it had been Julien De Proft. This statement is sourced with both The Art of Hergé, Inventor of Tintin: Volume I, 1907–1937, by Goddin, and Hergé: Son of Tintin, by Peeters. And yet, we have photos showing Hergé and Pepermans together at what is supposedly Gare du Nord. I'd happily address this issue myself, except that I don't have access to any of the sources. Fram, Midnightblueowl, if either of you have these books on hand, do you think you'd be able to check on what they say about Hergé misremembering this incident? The information should be found on page 67 of Goddin's book and pages 39-40 of Peeters' book. Thanks! -- Jpcase ( talk) 16:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
I've removed claims sourced to the Daily Mail. It's a deprecated source, and it absolutely should not be present in a Featured Article - it's literally the opposite of a Reliable Source, and grossly unreliable sources are a reason for defeaturing articles.
Per extensive WP:RSN discussion, and two wide general RFCs ( WP:DAILYMAIL), the Mail literally cannot be trusted for factual claims, nor for fidelitously recording the words of claimed interviewees. Recent discussion on RSN is about the Mail being caught fabricating past content on dailymail.co.uk - you literally can't trust the Mail as a source for the content of the Mail.
Rather than using such a stupendously bad source in a FA, I've removed the cite and the text backed by it - which is not structural, so the article quality is not hampered.
Discussion of use of the Daily Mail on a Featured Article should be on WP:RSN or at the very least notified there - the two general RFCs are not a matter for WP:LOCALCONSENSUS - David Gerard ( talk) 15:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."the editor" is you, and "a reliable source" is not the Daily Mail.