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During the AfD discussion there have been worries brought up about the content of this article. As this should be decided here rather than there, I thought I'd give a quick stab at trying to lay out what is suitable info to add and what is not. Please feel free to add or subtract how you see fit. Joshdboz ( talk) 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
To sum it up, basically use commonsense, and discuss things that are borderline or questionable. Joshdboz ( talk) 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
In order to maintain a strict bipartisan nature extreme brevity and conciseness will be required. Even in its first few days the article has begun to display imprudent edits. Not imprudent in that they are false or in error. Just imprudent in that they lay the groundwork for future intrusions of political mayhem. A clear, concise detailing of Obama's Presidential activities for that day is the goal. IMO, the following are a few examples of the beginnings of unnecessary edits;
A timeline needs to be succinct and to the point. A lean mean machine. The barest of information. He did this, he signed that. There will be hundreds of sources for the details. I would like to revert the above examples but I will wait an appropriate time to do so.-- Buster7 ( talk) 04:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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The main case for this page is that it covers important accomplishments and actions of President Obama in a convienient and efficient way that no other page does. In fact, it appears as though the "Presidency of Barack Obama page was specifically revised to avoid a timeline approach of all of Obama's accomplishments as we have here.
Because of this strong case, I'm removing the "proposed for deletion" banner Edit: I realized it is not my place to remove the banner, but I simply wish that this page stays.
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-- Buster7 ( talk) 22:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
At first I was bothered by the growing length of the references and was going to suggest that we just use one for each situation----(since we strive to keep the timeline as bare-boned as possible)----Then I realized the worthiness of two sometimes three references. Different sources give different flavor to their response and should be available to the future visitor.-- Buster7 ( talk) 22:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
At first I was bothered...o, nevermind! I prefer the second picture. The first shows the teleprompter and only half an audience. Can the second be cropped a bit, top/down, in order to lose the lights?-- Buster7 ( talk) 21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
If this page is going to have an entry for every single day of his presidency, we're going to wind up with more than a thousand entries on one page. If he wins re-election in 2012, by the end of his second term there will be 2,921 entries. That will be far too unwieldy. I propose that there should be a separate page for every year of his presidency to keep it manageable. -- Mr. Billion ( talk) 10:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I undid the January 23 mention of an airstrike killing 18 people. I left the reference since the airstrike mention may be pertinent since it was the first in his presidency. However, I suggest we do not continue to include every airstrike everywhere in the world. Obama is Commander-in-chief, we are fighting two wars, a sad fact. While I mourn the casualties, this timeline is not the proper place to erect their tombstones. Maybe a seperate article can be created listing the Airstrikes During the Presidency of Barack Obama. Also....the additions of the airstrikes where classified as 'm'...Minor edits...666 bytes is not a minor edit.-- Buster7 ( talk) 00:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Currently, there's a listing for March 27-30, stating * March 27-30 - Vice President Joe Biden will travel to Latin America, visiting Chile and Costa Rica. To me, this doesn't seem like a part of Barack Obama's presidency, since Joe Biden isn't Obama. Where does the line of who to include fall? Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 19:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
March 25-26 - Secretary of State Clinton travels to Mexico City and Monterrey, Mexico. [1]
True as it may be, this doesn't say why. Did she go there for a conference, to meet someone, or just for a vacation? When we list a trip, we should also be listing why the trip was made. Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 14:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
References
The BBC has a fantastic table here that says this:
How they all be shown in the article? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 22:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC) "
As Fightin' Phillie mentioned above, loadtime is becoming (or will become) a problem with this article, especially because of the high number of refs (averaging over 1 per entry, which will mean several hundred by year's end). I don't know if there are technical solutions available, but for now I would suggest that we get rid of 1) redundant bluelinks in text and 2) all ref bluelinks to publishers. This isn't a perfect solution, but it will lighten the page slightly without compromising on content. Joshdboz ( talk) 11:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The Philadelphia Phillies were supposed to visit the White House today; however, they indefinately postponed the trip after the death of Harry Kalas. [1] I assume that they were going to meet Mr. Obama, as is tradition with the World Series champions - however, now I'm not sure what will happen. I do feel that such meetings are important (ie President meets with Famous Americans for some famous cause), but if this is rescheduled to happen later, I don't think it's worth mentioning that it didn't happen now.
If the Phillies do meet with Mr. Obama in the future, I think that we should remove the April 14th Phillies clause and instead mention that and why it was rescheduled in a new clause on the day when they do meet. Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 16:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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I am against listing the days of the week. It is useless clutter. Completely unnecessary. It will be difficult to convince future editors of the need for brevity if this is allowed to remain. Lets discuss.-- Buster7 ( talk) 13:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Not sure that this is a "fit" in this timeline. More of a Government Agency shift brought about by the new Administration. True that it is due to a change in the tactics condoned by the President. As stated above we are attempting to limit the scope of the Timeline to just cover Obama and the actions and governmental decisions of the major faces of his cabinet.-- Buster7 ( talk) 04:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The following was placed at Editor:GageSkidmore's Talk page;
It won't make the cut for the article but I was hoping it could "fly" here at the talk pages.........
@User:19.168----Your edits to the timeline are appreciated but you should understand that each entry is relevent to the day it refers to. The "tense" is present tense for each day not past tense for days that have passed. I'll post this at the Talk if you wish to discuss further, thanks.-- Buster7 ( talk) 00:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
This issue was brought up many months ago here. Essentially this page is getting pretty long, and it appears to make sense to create several timelines, perhaps one for each year of his presidency. As we are nearing the end of this year, I guess we have a couple options
Just intuitively I think option 1 makes more sense, but if there is disagreement or any better ideas, please share! -- Joshdboz ( talk) 03:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no move. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 09:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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During the AfD discussion there have been worries brought up about the content of this article. As this should be decided here rather than there, I thought I'd give a quick stab at trying to lay out what is suitable info to add and what is not. Please feel free to add or subtract how you see fit. Joshdboz ( talk) 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
To sum it up, basically use commonsense, and discuss things that are borderline or questionable. Joshdboz ( talk) 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
In order to maintain a strict bipartisan nature extreme brevity and conciseness will be required. Even in its first few days the article has begun to display imprudent edits. Not imprudent in that they are false or in error. Just imprudent in that they lay the groundwork for future intrusions of political mayhem. A clear, concise detailing of Obama's Presidential activities for that day is the goal. IMO, the following are a few examples of the beginnings of unnecessary edits;
A timeline needs to be succinct and to the point. A lean mean machine. The barest of information. He did this, he signed that. There will be hundreds of sources for the details. I would like to revert the above examples but I will wait an appropriate time to do so.-- Buster7 ( talk) 04:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello-
The main case for this page is that it covers important accomplishments and actions of President Obama in a convienient and efficient way that no other page does. In fact, it appears as though the "Presidency of Barack Obama page was specifically revised to avoid a timeline approach of all of Obama's accomplishments as we have here.
Because of this strong case, I'm removing the "proposed for deletion" banner Edit: I realized it is not my place to remove the banner, but I simply wish that this page stays.
71.175.44.152 (
talk)
20:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
-- Buster7 ( talk) 22:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
At first I was bothered by the growing length of the references and was going to suggest that we just use one for each situation----(since we strive to keep the timeline as bare-boned as possible)----Then I realized the worthiness of two sometimes three references. Different sources give different flavor to their response and should be available to the future visitor.-- Buster7 ( talk) 22:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
At first I was bothered...o, nevermind! I prefer the second picture. The first shows the teleprompter and only half an audience. Can the second be cropped a bit, top/down, in order to lose the lights?-- Buster7 ( talk) 21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
If this page is going to have an entry for every single day of his presidency, we're going to wind up with more than a thousand entries on one page. If he wins re-election in 2012, by the end of his second term there will be 2,921 entries. That will be far too unwieldy. I propose that there should be a separate page for every year of his presidency to keep it manageable. -- Mr. Billion ( talk) 10:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I undid the January 23 mention of an airstrike killing 18 people. I left the reference since the airstrike mention may be pertinent since it was the first in his presidency. However, I suggest we do not continue to include every airstrike everywhere in the world. Obama is Commander-in-chief, we are fighting two wars, a sad fact. While I mourn the casualties, this timeline is not the proper place to erect their tombstones. Maybe a seperate article can be created listing the Airstrikes During the Presidency of Barack Obama. Also....the additions of the airstrikes where classified as 'm'...Minor edits...666 bytes is not a minor edit.-- Buster7 ( talk) 00:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Currently, there's a listing for March 27-30, stating * March 27-30 - Vice President Joe Biden will travel to Latin America, visiting Chile and Costa Rica. To me, this doesn't seem like a part of Barack Obama's presidency, since Joe Biden isn't Obama. Where does the line of who to include fall? Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 19:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
March 25-26 - Secretary of State Clinton travels to Mexico City and Monterrey, Mexico. [1]
True as it may be, this doesn't say why. Did she go there for a conference, to meet someone, or just for a vacation? When we list a trip, we should also be listing why the trip was made. Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 14:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
References
The BBC has a fantastic table here that says this:
How they all be shown in the article? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 22:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC) "
As Fightin' Phillie mentioned above, loadtime is becoming (or will become) a problem with this article, especially because of the high number of refs (averaging over 1 per entry, which will mean several hundred by year's end). I don't know if there are technical solutions available, but for now I would suggest that we get rid of 1) redundant bluelinks in text and 2) all ref bluelinks to publishers. This isn't a perfect solution, but it will lighten the page slightly without compromising on content. Joshdboz ( talk) 11:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The Philadelphia Phillies were supposed to visit the White House today; however, they indefinately postponed the trip after the death of Harry Kalas. [1] I assume that they were going to meet Mr. Obama, as is tradition with the World Series champions - however, now I'm not sure what will happen. I do feel that such meetings are important (ie President meets with Famous Americans for some famous cause), but if this is rescheduled to happen later, I don't think it's worth mentioning that it didn't happen now.
If the Phillies do meet with Mr. Obama in the future, I think that we should remove the April 14th Phillies clause and instead mention that and why it was rescheduled in a new clause on the day when they do meet. Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 16:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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I am against listing the days of the week. It is useless clutter. Completely unnecessary. It will be difficult to convince future editors of the need for brevity if this is allowed to remain. Lets discuss.-- Buster7 ( talk) 13:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Not sure that this is a "fit" in this timeline. More of a Government Agency shift brought about by the new Administration. True that it is due to a change in the tactics condoned by the President. As stated above we are attempting to limit the scope of the Timeline to just cover Obama and the actions and governmental decisions of the major faces of his cabinet.-- Buster7 ( talk) 04:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The following was placed at Editor:GageSkidmore's Talk page;
It won't make the cut for the article but I was hoping it could "fly" here at the talk pages.........
@User:19.168----Your edits to the timeline are appreciated but you should understand that each entry is relevent to the day it refers to. The "tense" is present tense for each day not past tense for days that have passed. I'll post this at the Talk if you wish to discuss further, thanks.-- Buster7 ( talk) 00:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
This issue was brought up many months ago here. Essentially this page is getting pretty long, and it appears to make sense to create several timelines, perhaps one for each year of his presidency. As we are nearing the end of this year, I guess we have a couple options
Just intuitively I think option 1 makes more sense, but if there is disagreement or any better ideas, please share! -- Joshdboz ( talk) 03:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no move. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 09:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Timeline of the Presidency of Barack Obama (2009) →
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