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Z1720, per your instructions above, I've opened a new edit request ticket for the "Use by businesses" section that I proposed initially over three months ago. I hope you can find the time to evaluate it. (Of course, any other editor is welcome to do so as well.)
The new section should be placed between the sections on "User characteristics and behavior" and "Country bans and attempted bans." To repeat what I said above: In this revision I've made the language more specific and less promotional, added detailed material from reliable sources, and taken care to avoid WP:UNDUE and to maintain a disinterested tone.
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“Concerns have been voiced regarding content relating to, and the promotion of spreading hateful words and far-right extremism, such as anti-semitism, racism and xenophobia” This needs to be deleted as far-right are not anti-semitism. Far-left and left are anti-semitism. Labour have proved that - you only need to read sources about Jeremy Corbyn and Keir Starmer. Lisa-Louise007 ( talk) 16:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC) Lisa-Louise007 ( talk) 16:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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Under "External Links" section: - add one external links for "TikTok For Business": https://www.tiktok.com/business/
This is used to supplement the monetization context for "TikTok". Wziwei ( talk) 12:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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To add to this article: a Wiktionary link for 抖音. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 16:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
This article has over 200 references. Is that appropriate for an article in a general encyclopedia such as Wikipedia aspires to be? If not, what should be done? Should the references constitute a separate article? 2603:6010:4E42:500:75D1:E8E:2E6B:2FD ( talk) 18:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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my I don't want to have any Swahili tiktok
Sarah Wilkie is a Tiktoker who does videos reacting to other creators and more. She has a dog called Lori and children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.236.73 ( talk) 12:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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change ((Chinese)) to ((China|Chinese)) 2601:541:4580:8500:25EB:44AB:FB7B:863C ( talk) 16:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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help me Ierfan12 ( talk) 07:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
iwant to edif apps Ierfan12 ( talk) 07:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Please revert this recent edit by User:Yeungkahchun, which goes against the consensus established at an RfC in late 2020. I would perform the revert myself, but am avoiding editing the article directly due to my COI. Pinging Sdkb, who implemented the RfC result at the time. Thank you, Bkenny44 ( talk) 18:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Under viral trends change "The song rose to popularity when musician Daniel Mertzlufft composed a backing track to the song." To "The song rose to popularity when composer Daniel Mertzlufft posted a Broadway inspired arrangement of the original song." composed a backing track to the song. In response, began creating a "crowdsourced" project called Ratatouille The Musical. " DJKane29 ( talk) 18:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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124.106.230.166 ( talk) 04:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Why is there one article for two apps? This is totally against Wikipedia convention.
There are not one but two apps here. With significant enough (relevant) divergences from each other (meaning the difference is not just the serving of different markets). So then we should not be force-fed and be confronted with reading about not one but two apps and render the whole thing extra burdensome and confusing to the point of being one giant bloated, almost non-legible mess. This goes completely against both the spirit and the letter of Wikipedia editing protocols. Douyin is not in the same league of notability as TikTok (meaning, it's not like the world is divided into two and half of it uses one and the other half the other, so using TikTok to spam this article with Douyin breaches WP:undue weight and no doubt other editing guidelines. If Douyin is such a big deal enough to justify spamming this article all over with it, then it obviously needs its own article with emphasis on both the similarity and divergence to Tik Tok. --Loginnigol ( talk) 08:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hi everyone, it's Billy again. I noticed that this article is currently written in a disorganized way that makes it somewhat incoherent and difficult to read from top to bottom. I would like to propose re-arranging some parts of the article in a more sensible way, to comply better with MOS:LEAD and MOS:LAYOUT.
I've created a draft for my proposed layout changes in my userspace at User:Bkenny44/TikTok (proposed layout). I'm also including a summary below of what my proposed layout changes entail:
There are also serious WP:UNDUE and WP:CSECTION issues pertaining to the "Controversies" and "Legal issues" sections, but I want to focus just on MOS:LEAD and MOS:LAYOUT at the moment - hopefully we'll be able to work on fixing the other problems in the future.
Please comment if you think my proposed layout changes are reasonable - looking forward to hearing your input. Thanks, Bkenny44 ( talk) 19:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Kesha released a song called TiK ToK in late 2009, and i think the page should mention the song since the song's page mentions the app. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danger Days Fabulous Killjoy ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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Add a citation https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/19/short-video-apps-like-douyin-tiktok-are-dominating-chinese-screens.html to the line
TikTok was downloaded more than 104 million times on Apple's App store during the full first half of 2018, according to data provided to CNBC by Sensor Tower. citation needed
There is a graph under the "Shorter videos and Stronger obsessions" section of article where the information was seemingly taken from.
I could not get the Wayback Machine to backup the page for archival purposes. AGuyNamedSquid ( talk) 21:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Change references to Facebook as a company to Meta. Sturdy4days ( talk) 01:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I added some information about Alt TikTok under the features and trends. Let me know if anything should be removed/improved :) Spiderwinebottle ( talk) 14:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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Add this section above Content and Usage>Use by Businesses:
TikTok offers two tools to support nonprofit organizations: TikTok for Good [1] and the Donation Sticker [2]. TikTok for Good provides nonprofits account management support, access to analytics, and promotion of their cause to target user groups [3]. Though, participating in TikTok for Good reduces the nonprofit's account access to certain filters and audio clips. Nonprofits may include a donation sticker on their TikTok posts and encourage other users to include their donation sticker on their posts. Users click on the donation sticker to give directly to the cause. Nonprofits primarily use TikTok for building community, while also using the app to share information with users and inspire followers to act on behalf of their cause [4]. Kwileyfl ( talk) 12:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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Tik tok let's people whom don't like the truth to shut it down. You can complain against the truth on tiktok and truth gets banned. 58.165.125.83 ( talk) 11:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
This article is just a long re-telling of a single news article (Harpers) that described Collab houses (which a few random mentions of the similar NYT article), and doesn't need an article of its own. It could just be an expanded mention of the Collab House section in the TikTok article. ZimZalaBim talk 13:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Also oppose and by consensus, I'm closing/removing the template. Caleb Stanford ( talk) 01:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
The "Content and uses" section feels long and winded. It also focuses heavily on American trends and creators. It might be cumbersome to document so many trends in one subsection. Could we potentially cut this down or make a new article that describes trends specific to different regions in the world?
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Hi everyone. I am proposing the creation of a separate article for Douyin, TikTok's Chinese sister app, and that the material about Douyin currently in the TikTok article be moved there. As a proof of concept, to show that a Douyin article would be a lengthy entry in its own right, with rich, encyclopedic content that would barely overlap with the TikTok article, I've created a draft for a potential Douyin article in my userspace, here: User:Bkenny44/Douyin
Those of you who have been watching this Talk page for a while know that there was a discussion on this question two years ago, which was closed as no consensus: Talk:TikTok/Archive 2#Should we make Douyin a separate page?. In that discussion, supporters of the split mostly argued that TikTok and Douyin are two separate apps with completely separate userbases and mutually inaccessible collections of content. Opponents argued that they are basically the same app offered under different names in different locations, and there are no significant differences. Opponents also argued that all the encyclopedic information on Douyin could fit easily and sensibly into the TikTok article, since not that much distinct, verifiable information on Douyin exists.
Even if the points made by the 2020 discussions's opponents were valid then, they are certainly difficult to accept now, two years later. Douyin has its own distinct history, functionality and identity, which have been widely covered by RS, in particular by Chinese-language media and by sources like South China Morning Post, which focuses heavily on China and Chinese culture. Unlike TikTok, Douyin is used extensively for e-commerce, livestreaming and gaming. There are also differences in the two apps' respective histories and cultural impact, which diverged upon TikTok's creation for the international market in 2017. In addition, the way that corporate brands in China (both local and international, in particular luxury and cosmetics brands) use Douyin has been emphasized by numerous RS and has no real analogue in the world of TikTok.
And any concerns that there is not enough encyclopedic information to justify a separate Douyin article should be allayed upon reviewing User:Bkenny44/Douyin. The draft is comprised mostly of new material derived from reliable sources covering Douyin as a subject in its own right, unconnected to TikTok except occasionally in article headlines and ledes as a helpful reference point for non-Chinese readers.
A final note: As I've disclosed in the past, I work for ByteDance, the parent company of both TikTok and Douyin. And it is no secret that it is in ByteDance's interest as a company to distinguish between these two sister apps, which have different identities and play different roles within their respective societies - and which many people incorrectly conflate. That notwithstanding, the split that I'm proposing here also serves the interests of the Wikipedia community and the average reader, and most importantly for this discussion, I believe it is simply the correct thing to do per Wikipedia's content guidelines. Thank you all in advance for weighing in. Bkenny44 ( talk) 13:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
[Kelly Zhang] has been credited with helping create and launch Douyin in 2016 and contributing to its rapid growth., it just doesn't come off as neutral to me. I'm sorry, but I question your motivations and don't understand why other editors are supporting this change. Thank you. rogueshanghai chat (they/them) 22:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
all the encyclopedic information on Douyin could fit easily and sensibly into the TikTok article, then dismisses it without giving any sense of why they apparently think that encyclopaedic information couldn't easily fit into this article. There's little substance here, little basis in any recognisable policy or guideline, and very little to convince that this is a necessary split. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 19:14, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
This is actually one of the reasons we are focused on the TikTok Wikipedia page. We want to make sure the perception of TikTok is fair and accurate and it is our responsibility to make sure that happens, at least to the best of our ability.is the relevant part. Note the plural we, instead of the singular "I", and their stated "responsibiity" to keep the article "fair and accurate"). I think this should be closed as Not Done, simply because any article coming from a source with a clear COI interest, and a stated intent to push a more company preferred view of the page, would have to be significantly edited and balanced for a neutral POV FrederalBacon ( talk) 09:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, may I suggest to add a sentence under the History section, please? After the current line "In July 2020, TikTok, excluding Douyin, reported close to 800 million monthly active users worldwide after less than four years of existence", I would like to propose to add "This number has since exceeded one billion in the following year". This addition corresponds to the latest TikTok monthly active user statistic. Kindly refer to TikTok's news for this updates, please. Thank you! ArgonautOfHistory ( talk) 09:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
9/22 It's now being used for voter registration in the U.S., in spite of security concerns expressed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/tiktok-voter-registration/index.html
Thanks! 2600:4040:780C:6F00:3913:CFC9:7CF5:C057 ( talk) 19:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The last paragraph of the lead talks about criticism. I don't believe this is something that should be included in the lead parapgraph, most users do not see Tiktok for this and it can be addressed in the body. I believe we should remove: "TikTok has been subject to criticism over psychological effects such as addiction, as well as controversies over inappropriate content, misinformation, censorship and moderation, and user privacy."
I'm noticing a trend on wikipedia where all negative information and pejorative words are commonly used in the leads, and that is not what Wiki was inteded for. Thoughts on removing this from the lead? Canadianr0ckstar2000 ( talk) 13:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I just created an article for TikTok, Boom., a newly released film about TikTok. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 19:45, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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In the paragraph starting "In June 2022, reports emerged that ByteDance employees in China could access US data and repeatedly accessed the private information of TikTok users," a total of 5 sources are cited, in two sets of three after two different points in the paragraph: an Engagdet article, a PCMag article, a Guardian article, a Buzzfeed News article, and a Verge article. The Engadget, PCMag, Guardian, and Verge articles are all reports on the existence of the Buzzfeed News article—is this normal practice here? It seems to me like the way the citations are presented there would tend to create the false impression that the claim was independently corroborated by multiple sources. (On which point it's also incorrect to say "reports emerged," because it was actually one report, and while I'm here also it was a report on the contents of meetings TikTok was having about closing security gaps, of which acknowledging gaps is a necessary step, and the timeline on which that testing was taking place is consistent with the claims TikTok had made about their progress in securing the US user data, but that's a lot more editorial than I think is typical for Wikipedia, and the Buzzfeed article does strictly speaking exist, and was itself widely reported on.) Txwatson ( talk) 12:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, about Controversies section it would be better idea to separate it from the main article and make a sup-article focused only on Controversies like Donald Trump–TikTok controversy because its too long and it can't be summarize without missing important things. Lililolol ( talk) 01:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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06:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)What is with the phrasing of the information under the "Privacy" section under "Controversies"? gangplank galleon ( talk) 20:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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https://9to5google.com/2022/09/20/adrod-13-tiktok/ https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/11/04/tiktoks-ohio-trend-has-become-the-latest-meme-on-the-platform/ https://mashable.com/article/doubloons-dabloons-tiktok-trend 204.100.235.152 ( talk) 16:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I think this could be trimmed down a bit. Sections like "Appropriation from Black content creators" and "ISIL propaganda" don't really seem noteworthy enough. Eldomtom2 ( talk) 21:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
It should be added I think that in the U.S. as of early December 2022 "at least 14 states have banned TikTok on government-issued devices."
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Hello sir how can we contact you 59.153.126.132 ( talk) 15:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
The one source used to back this claim does not support this claim at all. The WaPo article is about Facebook buying negative PR for TikTok (concerning supposed dangerous trends starting on TikTok). Right-wing US politics aren't even mentioned, neither are accusations of spying for the PRC government, and especially the end goal of stoking anti-Chinese racism, is not in the text. This is currently grossly misleading, I would suggest deleting the two sentences. C9po ( talk) 07:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
That's even less consistent with the current Wikipedia article. According to the newly linked article, doubts about TikTok data security are a bipartisan stance in the US, that contradicts the Wiki article. Also, this article does not proof that those claims are conspiracy theories and untrue, it just says, that many US politicians say, that there is a problem, and that TikTok denies that. C9po ( talk) 08:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Apart from the source not supporting what is currently in the article, I doubt, that Facebook's smear campaign is such a relevant controversy, that it should be featured in the lead sentence. Calling doubts about data security a conspiracy theory and alleging racist intentions without a source backing that claim, is clearly against the guidelines and values of Wikipedia (WP is not a source of original information: Info on WP needs sources. Claiming, that something is backed by a credible source, although the source doesn't, is generally bad, not just on WP) C9po ( talk) 08:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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To clarify, @ Riverbend21:, the reason I removed that criticism section is because, according to WP:RS/P:
There is consensus that Reason is generally reliable for news and facts. Editors consider Reason to be a biased or opinionated source that primarily publishes commentary, analysis, and opinion articles. Statements of opinion should be attributed and evaluated for due weight.
While it can be used for facts, using it for opinion pieces and criticism is a more debatable inclusion, as I said in the edit summary. I'd hardly say criticism comparing a ban of TikTok to the policies of the Chinese Communist Party is non-biased. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 16:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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Saying "Tiktok, also known as Douyin抖音" is innaproatiate as it infers that one can use the names tiktok and douyin interchangeably, which is not the reality. when people in China or anywhere say 抖音 they mean 抖音, not TikTok; they're separate apps. I believe it should be described as either a version or a completely separate thing. 120.21.231.119 ( talk) 01:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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03:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)It looks like there is currently no mention of Project Texas anywhere in the article about TikTok, nor could I find mention of it elsewhere on Wikipedia. Here are a few sources:
Pretty major story, should probably be included in the article. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 18:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. I noticed the article currently has no description of TikTok's Community Guidelines or of the platform's Transparency Center, both of which topics have been covered extensively in RS. I'm proposing new subsections for both these topics, to be added within the "Content and usage" section.
I am also proposing a new paragraph about two of TikTok's content customization features, the "Content Levels" rating system and the ability to selectively mute hashtags.
TikTok maintains and enforces Community Guidelines applying to the platform's users and content. The stated purpose of the guidelines is to "establish a set of norms and common code of conduct that provide for a safe and welcoming space for everyone." [1]
Prior to 2020, the Community Guidelines consisted of a few bullet points relating only to the most extreme content. In January 2020, TikTok expanded its guidelines significantly, adding 10 categories of content subject to removal by moderators, including terrorist propaganda, hate speech, sexual content. The changes to the guidelines placed an emphasis on child safety, newly prohibiting videos depicting minors consuming alcohol, drugs and tobacco. The guidelines also ban "the depiction, trade, or promotion of firearms," except in the contexts of use by law enforcement and use in "a safe and controlled environment such as a shooting range." [2]
Originally, video content violating the Community Guidelines would be removed from the platform, but the content's creator would not be informed of which policy the content violated. [2] In October 2020, TikTok announced it would begin telling users which policy they violated that resulted in the deletion of their content. [3]
In February 2022, TikTok updated the Community Guidelines again, newly banning deadnaming, misgendering, misogyny, promotion of conversion therapy and promotion of disordered eating. [4]
TikTok's Transparency Center is a virtual hub providing public access to the various "transparency reports" it publishes, including reports on Community Guidelines enforcement, government removal requests, intellectual property removal requests, information requests and California privacy rights. [5] [6] In July 2022, TikTok announced that later in 2022 it would provide "selected researchers" with access to the platform's moderation tools at the Transparency Center, allowing them to evaluate the moderation system and conduct experiments with different types of content. [7]
In July 2022, TikTok introduced its "Content Levels" rating system, in which human moderators evaluate video content and assign a "maturity score" meant to prevent younger users from viewing age-inappropriate material. TikTok also rolled out a feature allowing users to selectively mute hashtags, so users can avoid being shown videos they do not want to see. [8]
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Also no mention of Project Clover in the TikTok article. Here are some sources:
A similar data localization plan being put in place, this time in Europe. Whereas Project Texas is related to the North American market. Both the Clover & Texas projects should be included in the article, in my opinion. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 03:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
The Wiki page Tik Tok has the name Tik Tok incorrectly translated as "sound vibration". Tik tok in Chinese translates to Dou Yin which means Acne marks or acne scars. However this page is unable to be edited and remains incorrect. Robertball118 ( talk) 13:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the “Viral trends” topic of the “Content and usage” section, change “Chamberlin as Gusteau” to “Kevin Chamberlin as Gusteau”, with a link to Chamberlin’s Wikipedia article imbedded into his name. 71.191.41.118 ( talk) 00:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest adding this information to the paragraph to the section on "content concerns":
The history of the Holocaust can also be distorted through universalization that decontextualizes the historical reality of this past. [1] It is often unintentional, unrecognized and not necessarily done with any antisemitic intent. It can also reflect a deep-rooted unwillingness to confront the historical reality of the Holocaust – that this was a genocide of Jews, committed and facilitated by non-Jews. [2] In some forms – such as the TikTok Holocaust trend in Summer 2020 where young creators posted short videos of themselves in the role of dead Holocaust victims – it may not be immediately clear what motivates such behaviour and representations. [3] Deeply offensive and distressing to many, it appears that, in some cases at least, this may have been an attempt to respond to learning about the Holocaust and to educate others. Such distorted representations of the past nonetheless have significant consequences for public knowledge, memory, discourse and historical understanding. [4]
I suggest adding this information to Content concerns -> Content censorship and moderation
“We do not permit content that contains hate speech or involves hateful behaviour, and we remove it from our platform”. TikTok consider hateful ideologies to be those that “demonstrate clear hostility toward people because of their protected attributes. Hateful ideologies are incompatible with the inclusive and supportive community that our platform provides and we remove content that promotes them”
According to the community guidelines, users cannot post, upload, stream or share:
· Content that praises, promotes, glorifies, or supports any hateful ideology (such as white supremacy, misogyny, anti-LGBTQ or antisemitism)
· Content that contains names, symbols, logos, flags slogans, uniforms, gestures, salutes, illustrations, portraits, songs, music, lyrics or other objects related to a hateful ideology
· Content that denies well-documented and violent events have taken place affecting groups with protected attributes (such as Holocaust denial)
· Claims of supremacy over a group of people with reference to other protected attributes
· Conspiracy theories used to justify hateful ideologies.
TikTok publishes information about its content moderation, algorithms and privacy and security practices. Its transparency reports show the volume and nature of content removed for violating TikTok’s Community Guidelines or Terms of Service, and how TikTok responds to law enforcement requests for information, government requests for content removals and copyrighted content take-down notices. The company has announced Transparency and Accountability Centers in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. [5]
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Add information about influencers being able to get paid through tik tok by brands.
TikTok defines sponsored content as any video created by an individual that promotes a brand, product, or service in exchange for anything of value from a third party. This includes product or service brand endorsements, collaborations, or any other type of special marketing.
A sponsored content post might feature a product that you were given or got cash to promote. It might entail you getting a commission from a third party if other creators buy the product or service you promote. It might even be a post about a brand with which you have a business relationship, such as if you're a brand ambassador or anything similar. Lovemusic03 ( talk) 05:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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27.55.79.4 ( talk) 20:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Should probably added to the article: Former ByteDance Executive Claims Chinese Communist Party Accessed TikTok's Hong Kong User Data. 93.72.49.123 ( talk) 22:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The following news, from months to years ago, should be added but was blocked by an editor. Let's start with a few paragraphs with more to come; refer to the discussion at notice board for more. CurryCity ( talk) 04:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
A1 (add under United States ban): In January 2020, the United States Army and Navy banned TikTok on government devices after the Defense Department pegged it as a security risk. Before the policy change, army recruiters had been using the platform to attract young people. Unofficial promotional videos continue to be posted on TikTok under personal accounts, drawing the ire of government officials, but they have also helped increase the number of enlistees; several accounts have millions of views and followers. [1] [2] [3]
A2 (add under United States ban): Attempts to ban TikTok have also raised the question of whether protectionism of its own corporations, rather than privacy concerns, is the primary motivation of the US Government. The types of data collected by TikTok are also collected by other social media platforms and available through brokers, often without oversight. [4] An analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies writes that it would make more sense to focus on the protection of data directly rather than on any particular platform. [5]
A3 (add under Content censorship and moderation replacing the final paragraph of that section): Following increased scrutiny, TikTok is granting some outside experts access to the platform's anonymized data sets and protocols, including filters, keywords, criteria for heating, and source code. [6] [7]
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B1 (reword in Expansion in other markets) TikTok was the first non-Facebook app to reach that figure, despite Instagram spending millions on Reels as a rival product. [1]
B2 (add to United States ban) Security experts interviewed by CNN said that speculations of threats to the United States still lack clear evidence. Some of TikTok's practices, although deplorable, are commonplace in the industry. Instead, the protection of private user data across all platforms and national boundaries should be the priority. [2]
B3 (add to Content censorship and moderation) A March 2021 study by the Citizen Lab found that TikTok did not censor searches politically but was inconclusive about whether posts are. [3] [4] A 2023 paper by the Internet Governance Project at Georgia Institute of Technology found no pro-China censorship on TikTok. [5]
B4 (remove from User privacy concerns cannot find RS) Web developers Talal Haj Bakry and Tommy Mysk said that allowing videos and other content to be shared by the app's users through HTTP puts the users' data privacy at risk. [6]
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C1 (reword Heating with more information) In January 2023, Forbes reported that a "heating" tool allows TikTok to manually promote certain videos, comprising 1-2% of daily views. The practice began as a way to grow and diversify content and influencers that were not automatically picked up by the recommendation algorithm. It was also used to promote brands, artists, and NGOs being courted by the company. However, some employees have abused it to promote their own accounts or those of their spouses, while others have felt that their guidelines leave too much room for discretion. TikTok said only a few individuals can approve heating in the U.S. and the promoted videos take up less than 0.002% of user feeds. To address concerns of Chinese influence, the company is negotiating with the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States such that future heating could only be performed by vetted security personnel in the U.S. and the process would be audited by third-parties such as Oracle. [1]
C2 (reword paragraph under Addiction and mental health concerns with more information) Since 2021, it has been reported that accounts engaging with contents related to suicide, self-harm, or eating disorder were fed similar videos. Some users were able to circumvent TikTok filters by writing in code or using unconventional spelling. The company has faced multiple lawsuits pertaining to wrongful deaths. TikTok said it is working to break up these "rabbit holes" of similar recommendations. US searches for eating disorder receive a prompt that offers mental health resources. [2] [3] [4]
C3 (remove quote under User privacy concerns undue coverage) and stating "I look at that app as so fundamentally parasitic, that it's always listening, the fingerprinting technology they use is truly terrifying, and I could not bring myself to install an app like that on my phone." [5] [6]
C4 (condense under one heading UK Information Commissioner's Office investigation) In February 2019, the United Kingdom's Information Commissioner's Office launched an investigation of TikTok following the fine ByteDance received from the United States Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Speaking to a parliamentary committee, Information Commissioner Elizabeth Denham said that the investigation focuses on the issues of private data collection, the kind of videos collected and shared by children online, as well as the platform's open messaging system which allows any adult to message any child. She noted that the company was potentially violating the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) which requires the company to provide different services and different protections for children. [7]
C5 (condense under one heading Journalist spying scandal) In June 2022, BuzzFeed News reported that leaked audio recordings of internal TikTok meetings reveal employees in China had access to overseas data, including a "master admin" who could see "everything". Some of the recordings were made during consultations with Booz Allen Hamilton, a US government contractor. A spokesperson of the contractor said some of the report's information was inaccurate but would neither confirm nor deny whether TikTok was one of its clients. [8] Following the reports, TikTok confirmed that employees in China could have access to U.S. data. [9] It also announced that US user traffic would now be routed through Oracle Cloud and that backup copies would be deleted from other servers. [10]
In October 2022, Forbes reported that a team at ByteDance planned to surveil certain US citizens for undisclosed reasons. TikTok said that the tracking method suggested by the report would not be feasible because precise GPS information is not collected by the platform. [11] [12] In December 2022, ByteDance confirmed after internal investigation that the data of several journalists had been accessed by its employees from China and the United States on an "audit" team. Their intention was to uncover sources of leaks who might have met with journalists from BuzzFeed, Forbes, and the Financial Times. The data accessed included IP addresses, which can be used to approximate a user's location. Four employees have been terminated, including the audit team's lead Chris Lepitak and his superior, executive Song Ye. ByteDance and TikTok condemned the individuals' misuse of authority. [13] The incident is being investigated by the US Department of Justice. [14]
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D1 (condense into new section "Project Texas" under United States ban) TikTok has been working to silo privileged user data within the United States under oversight from the US government or a third party such as Oracle. [1] Named Project Texas, the details are being negotiated with the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) and focus on unauthorised access, state influence, and software security. A new subsidiary, TikTok U.S. Data Security Inc. (USDS), was created to manage user data, software code, back-end systems, and content moderation. It would report to CFIUS, not ByteDance or TikTok, even for hiring pratices. Oracle would review and spot check the data flows through USDS. It would also digitally sign software code, approve updates, and oversee content moderation and recommendation. Physical locations would be established so that Oracle and the US government could conduct their own reviews. [2]
In March 2023, a former employee of the company said Project Texas did not go far enough and that a complete "re-engineering" would be needed. TikTok responded by saying that Project Texas already is a re-engineering of the app and that the former employee left in 2022 before the project specifications were finalised. [3]
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E1 (add to User privacy concerns) A March 2021 study by the Citizen Lab found that TikTok did not collect data beyond the industry norms, what its policy stated, or without additional user permission. [1]
E2 (new section under User privacy concerns after Europe) TikTok says it is holding discussions with UK's National Cyber Security Centre about Project Clover, a plan to store European information locally. A third party will be monitoring its servers' data flow. The company will add a second data centre to its existing one in Ireland as well as a third in Norway. [2] [3]
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Hi there, this page links to https://mediakix.com/blog/top-tik-tok-statistics-demographics that doesn't exist anymore. Please change it to this brand new updated page that has a lot of TikTok stats: https://theinfluencermarketingfactory.com/top-tiktok-stats-2023/
Thank you Cuzofobim ( talk) 21:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I think it's just a fad and not a suitable encylopaedic contents for TikTok. WP:RECENTISM and WP:NEWS This page is about TikTok, not the latest fad and such contents are undue. Do other editors feel the contents in question at Special:Diff/1176134926 should be included? courtesy ping to @ Nathan121212: Graywalls ( talk) 18:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
According to wiktionary wiktionary:抖音 means vibrato, thus that would be an pitch oscillation, "vibrating sound" is unclear, sound IS vibration. 31.20.106.40 ( talk) 20:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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link Zhang Yiming to the Zhang Yiming page Benniebooboo ( talk) 11:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
'Content is curated by TikTok's artificial intelligence depending on the content a user liked, interacted with, or searched. This is in contrast to other social networks' algorithms basing such content off of the user's relationships with other users and what they liked or interacted with.'
How is this 'a contrast'? As far as I understand it, two of the three mentioned factors for each platform - what a user 'liked' and 'interacted with' - coincide. You have to read it more than once to figure out the only (supposed) difference, which appears to be that TikTok considers what a user 'searched', while other social networks consider 'the user's relationships with other users'. If that is true, an intelligible formulation could be something like: 'This is in contrast to other social networks' algorithms which, while also taking into account what users liked or interacted with, place more weight on the user's relationships with other users and do not consider what they searched to the same extent.' But I don't know if that's true, because the source article is behind a paywall. In particular, I doubt that other networks don't take into account what you searched for. 62.73.69.121 ( talk) 10:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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Z1720, per your instructions above, I've opened a new edit request ticket for the "Use by businesses" section that I proposed initially over three months ago. I hope you can find the time to evaluate it. (Of course, any other editor is welcome to do so as well.)
The new section should be placed between the sections on "User characteristics and behavior" and "Country bans and attempted bans." To repeat what I said above: In this revision I've made the language more specific and less promotional, added detailed material from reliable sources, and taken care to avoid WP:UNDUE and to maintain a disinterested tone.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56210052 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitak monk ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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“Concerns have been voiced regarding content relating to, and the promotion of spreading hateful words and far-right extremism, such as anti-semitism, racism and xenophobia” This needs to be deleted as far-right are not anti-semitism. Far-left and left are anti-semitism. Labour have proved that - you only need to read sources about Jeremy Corbyn and Keir Starmer. Lisa-Louise007 ( talk) 16:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC) Lisa-Louise007 ( talk) 16:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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Under "External Links" section: - add one external links for "TikTok For Business": https://www.tiktok.com/business/
This is used to supplement the monetization context for "TikTok". Wziwei ( talk) 12:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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To add to this article: a Wiktionary link for 抖音. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 16:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
This article has over 200 references. Is that appropriate for an article in a general encyclopedia such as Wikipedia aspires to be? If not, what should be done? Should the references constitute a separate article? 2603:6010:4E42:500:75D1:E8E:2E6B:2FD ( talk) 18:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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my I don't want to have any Swahili tiktok
Sarah Wilkie is a Tiktoker who does videos reacting to other creators and more. She has a dog called Lori and children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.236.73 ( talk) 12:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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change ((Chinese)) to ((China|Chinese)) 2601:541:4580:8500:25EB:44AB:FB7B:863C ( talk) 16:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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help me Ierfan12 ( talk) 07:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
iwant to edif apps Ierfan12 ( talk) 07:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Please revert this recent edit by User:Yeungkahchun, which goes against the consensus established at an RfC in late 2020. I would perform the revert myself, but am avoiding editing the article directly due to my COI. Pinging Sdkb, who implemented the RfC result at the time. Thank you, Bkenny44 ( talk) 18:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Under viral trends change "The song rose to popularity when musician Daniel Mertzlufft composed a backing track to the song." To "The song rose to popularity when composer Daniel Mertzlufft posted a Broadway inspired arrangement of the original song." composed a backing track to the song. In response, began creating a "crowdsourced" project called Ratatouille The Musical. " DJKane29 ( talk) 18:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Why is there one article for two apps? This is totally against Wikipedia convention.
There are not one but two apps here. With significant enough (relevant) divergences from each other (meaning the difference is not just the serving of different markets). So then we should not be force-fed and be confronted with reading about not one but two apps and render the whole thing extra burdensome and confusing to the point of being one giant bloated, almost non-legible mess. This goes completely against both the spirit and the letter of Wikipedia editing protocols. Douyin is not in the same league of notability as TikTok (meaning, it's not like the world is divided into two and half of it uses one and the other half the other, so using TikTok to spam this article with Douyin breaches WP:undue weight and no doubt other editing guidelines. If Douyin is such a big deal enough to justify spamming this article all over with it, then it obviously needs its own article with emphasis on both the similarity and divergence to Tik Tok. --Loginnigol ( talk) 08:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hi everyone, it's Billy again. I noticed that this article is currently written in a disorganized way that makes it somewhat incoherent and difficult to read from top to bottom. I would like to propose re-arranging some parts of the article in a more sensible way, to comply better with MOS:LEAD and MOS:LAYOUT.
I've created a draft for my proposed layout changes in my userspace at User:Bkenny44/TikTok (proposed layout). I'm also including a summary below of what my proposed layout changes entail:
There are also serious WP:UNDUE and WP:CSECTION issues pertaining to the "Controversies" and "Legal issues" sections, but I want to focus just on MOS:LEAD and MOS:LAYOUT at the moment - hopefully we'll be able to work on fixing the other problems in the future.
Please comment if you think my proposed layout changes are reasonable - looking forward to hearing your input. Thanks, Bkenny44 ( talk) 19:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Kesha released a song called TiK ToK in late 2009, and i think the page should mention the song since the song's page mentions the app. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danger Days Fabulous Killjoy ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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Add a citation https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/19/short-video-apps-like-douyin-tiktok-are-dominating-chinese-screens.html to the line
TikTok was downloaded more than 104 million times on Apple's App store during the full first half of 2018, according to data provided to CNBC by Sensor Tower. citation needed
There is a graph under the "Shorter videos and Stronger obsessions" section of article where the information was seemingly taken from.
I could not get the Wayback Machine to backup the page for archival purposes. AGuyNamedSquid ( talk) 21:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Change references to Facebook as a company to Meta. Sturdy4days ( talk) 01:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I added some information about Alt TikTok under the features and trends. Let me know if anything should be removed/improved :) Spiderwinebottle ( talk) 14:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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Add this section above Content and Usage>Use by Businesses:
TikTok offers two tools to support nonprofit organizations: TikTok for Good [1] and the Donation Sticker [2]. TikTok for Good provides nonprofits account management support, access to analytics, and promotion of their cause to target user groups [3]. Though, participating in TikTok for Good reduces the nonprofit's account access to certain filters and audio clips. Nonprofits may include a donation sticker on their TikTok posts and encourage other users to include their donation sticker on their posts. Users click on the donation sticker to give directly to the cause. Nonprofits primarily use TikTok for building community, while also using the app to share information with users and inspire followers to act on behalf of their cause [4]. Kwileyfl ( talk) 12:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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Tik tok let's people whom don't like the truth to shut it down. You can complain against the truth on tiktok and truth gets banned. 58.165.125.83 ( talk) 11:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
This article is just a long re-telling of a single news article (Harpers) that described Collab houses (which a few random mentions of the similar NYT article), and doesn't need an article of its own. It could just be an expanded mention of the Collab House section in the TikTok article. ZimZalaBim talk 13:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Also oppose and by consensus, I'm closing/removing the template. Caleb Stanford ( talk) 01:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
The "Content and uses" section feels long and winded. It also focuses heavily on American trends and creators. It might be cumbersome to document so many trends in one subsection. Could we potentially cut this down or make a new article that describes trends specific to different regions in the world?
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Hi everyone. I am proposing the creation of a separate article for Douyin, TikTok's Chinese sister app, and that the material about Douyin currently in the TikTok article be moved there. As a proof of concept, to show that a Douyin article would be a lengthy entry in its own right, with rich, encyclopedic content that would barely overlap with the TikTok article, I've created a draft for a potential Douyin article in my userspace, here: User:Bkenny44/Douyin
Those of you who have been watching this Talk page for a while know that there was a discussion on this question two years ago, which was closed as no consensus: Talk:TikTok/Archive 2#Should we make Douyin a separate page?. In that discussion, supporters of the split mostly argued that TikTok and Douyin are two separate apps with completely separate userbases and mutually inaccessible collections of content. Opponents argued that they are basically the same app offered under different names in different locations, and there are no significant differences. Opponents also argued that all the encyclopedic information on Douyin could fit easily and sensibly into the TikTok article, since not that much distinct, verifiable information on Douyin exists.
Even if the points made by the 2020 discussions's opponents were valid then, they are certainly difficult to accept now, two years later. Douyin has its own distinct history, functionality and identity, which have been widely covered by RS, in particular by Chinese-language media and by sources like South China Morning Post, which focuses heavily on China and Chinese culture. Unlike TikTok, Douyin is used extensively for e-commerce, livestreaming and gaming. There are also differences in the two apps' respective histories and cultural impact, which diverged upon TikTok's creation for the international market in 2017. In addition, the way that corporate brands in China (both local and international, in particular luxury and cosmetics brands) use Douyin has been emphasized by numerous RS and has no real analogue in the world of TikTok.
And any concerns that there is not enough encyclopedic information to justify a separate Douyin article should be allayed upon reviewing User:Bkenny44/Douyin. The draft is comprised mostly of new material derived from reliable sources covering Douyin as a subject in its own right, unconnected to TikTok except occasionally in article headlines and ledes as a helpful reference point for non-Chinese readers.
A final note: As I've disclosed in the past, I work for ByteDance, the parent company of both TikTok and Douyin. And it is no secret that it is in ByteDance's interest as a company to distinguish between these two sister apps, which have different identities and play different roles within their respective societies - and which many people incorrectly conflate. That notwithstanding, the split that I'm proposing here also serves the interests of the Wikipedia community and the average reader, and most importantly for this discussion, I believe it is simply the correct thing to do per Wikipedia's content guidelines. Thank you all in advance for weighing in. Bkenny44 ( talk) 13:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
[Kelly Zhang] has been credited with helping create and launch Douyin in 2016 and contributing to its rapid growth., it just doesn't come off as neutral to me. I'm sorry, but I question your motivations and don't understand why other editors are supporting this change. Thank you. rogueshanghai chat (they/them) 22:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
all the encyclopedic information on Douyin could fit easily and sensibly into the TikTok article, then dismisses it without giving any sense of why they apparently think that encyclopaedic information couldn't easily fit into this article. There's little substance here, little basis in any recognisable policy or guideline, and very little to convince that this is a necessary split. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 19:14, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
This is actually one of the reasons we are focused on the TikTok Wikipedia page. We want to make sure the perception of TikTok is fair and accurate and it is our responsibility to make sure that happens, at least to the best of our ability.is the relevant part. Note the plural we, instead of the singular "I", and their stated "responsibiity" to keep the article "fair and accurate"). I think this should be closed as Not Done, simply because any article coming from a source with a clear COI interest, and a stated intent to push a more company preferred view of the page, would have to be significantly edited and balanced for a neutral POV FrederalBacon ( talk) 09:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, may I suggest to add a sentence under the History section, please? After the current line "In July 2020, TikTok, excluding Douyin, reported close to 800 million monthly active users worldwide after less than four years of existence", I would like to propose to add "This number has since exceeded one billion in the following year". This addition corresponds to the latest TikTok monthly active user statistic. Kindly refer to TikTok's news for this updates, please. Thank you! ArgonautOfHistory ( talk) 09:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
9/22 It's now being used for voter registration in the U.S., in spite of security concerns expressed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/tiktok-voter-registration/index.html
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The last paragraph of the lead talks about criticism. I don't believe this is something that should be included in the lead parapgraph, most users do not see Tiktok for this and it can be addressed in the body. I believe we should remove: "TikTok has been subject to criticism over psychological effects such as addiction, as well as controversies over inappropriate content, misinformation, censorship and moderation, and user privacy."
I'm noticing a trend on wikipedia where all negative information and pejorative words are commonly used in the leads, and that is not what Wiki was inteded for. Thoughts on removing this from the lead? Canadianr0ckstar2000 ( talk) 13:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I just created an article for TikTok, Boom., a newly released film about TikTok. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 19:45, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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In the paragraph starting "In June 2022, reports emerged that ByteDance employees in China could access US data and repeatedly accessed the private information of TikTok users," a total of 5 sources are cited, in two sets of three after two different points in the paragraph: an Engagdet article, a PCMag article, a Guardian article, a Buzzfeed News article, and a Verge article. The Engadget, PCMag, Guardian, and Verge articles are all reports on the existence of the Buzzfeed News article—is this normal practice here? It seems to me like the way the citations are presented there would tend to create the false impression that the claim was independently corroborated by multiple sources. (On which point it's also incorrect to say "reports emerged," because it was actually one report, and while I'm here also it was a report on the contents of meetings TikTok was having about closing security gaps, of which acknowledging gaps is a necessary step, and the timeline on which that testing was taking place is consistent with the claims TikTok had made about their progress in securing the US user data, but that's a lot more editorial than I think is typical for Wikipedia, and the Buzzfeed article does strictly speaking exist, and was itself widely reported on.) Txwatson ( talk) 12:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, about Controversies section it would be better idea to separate it from the main article and make a sup-article focused only on Controversies like Donald Trump–TikTok controversy because its too long and it can't be summarize without missing important things. Lililolol ( talk) 01:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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06:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)What is with the phrasing of the information under the "Privacy" section under "Controversies"? gangplank galleon ( talk) 20:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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https://9to5google.com/2022/09/20/adrod-13-tiktok/ https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/11/04/tiktoks-ohio-trend-has-become-the-latest-meme-on-the-platform/ https://mashable.com/article/doubloons-dabloons-tiktok-trend 204.100.235.152 ( talk) 16:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I think this could be trimmed down a bit. Sections like "Appropriation from Black content creators" and "ISIL propaganda" don't really seem noteworthy enough. Eldomtom2 ( talk) 21:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
It should be added I think that in the U.S. as of early December 2022 "at least 14 states have banned TikTok on government-issued devices."
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Hello sir how can we contact you 59.153.126.132 ( talk) 15:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
The one source used to back this claim does not support this claim at all. The WaPo article is about Facebook buying negative PR for TikTok (concerning supposed dangerous trends starting on TikTok). Right-wing US politics aren't even mentioned, neither are accusations of spying for the PRC government, and especially the end goal of stoking anti-Chinese racism, is not in the text. This is currently grossly misleading, I would suggest deleting the two sentences. C9po ( talk) 07:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
That's even less consistent with the current Wikipedia article. According to the newly linked article, doubts about TikTok data security are a bipartisan stance in the US, that contradicts the Wiki article. Also, this article does not proof that those claims are conspiracy theories and untrue, it just says, that many US politicians say, that there is a problem, and that TikTok denies that. C9po ( talk) 08:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Apart from the source not supporting what is currently in the article, I doubt, that Facebook's smear campaign is such a relevant controversy, that it should be featured in the lead sentence. Calling doubts about data security a conspiracy theory and alleging racist intentions without a source backing that claim, is clearly against the guidelines and values of Wikipedia (WP is not a source of original information: Info on WP needs sources. Claiming, that something is backed by a credible source, although the source doesn't, is generally bad, not just on WP) C9po ( talk) 08:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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To clarify, @ Riverbend21:, the reason I removed that criticism section is because, according to WP:RS/P:
There is consensus that Reason is generally reliable for news and facts. Editors consider Reason to be a biased or opinionated source that primarily publishes commentary, analysis, and opinion articles. Statements of opinion should be attributed and evaluated for due weight.
While it can be used for facts, using it for opinion pieces and criticism is a more debatable inclusion, as I said in the edit summary. I'd hardly say criticism comparing a ban of TikTok to the policies of the Chinese Communist Party is non-biased. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 16:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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Saying "Tiktok, also known as Douyin抖音" is innaproatiate as it infers that one can use the names tiktok and douyin interchangeably, which is not the reality. when people in China or anywhere say 抖音 they mean 抖音, not TikTok; they're separate apps. I believe it should be described as either a version or a completely separate thing. 120.21.231.119 ( talk) 01:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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03:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)It looks like there is currently no mention of Project Texas anywhere in the article about TikTok, nor could I find mention of it elsewhere on Wikipedia. Here are a few sources:
Pretty major story, should probably be included in the article. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 18:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. I noticed the article currently has no description of TikTok's Community Guidelines or of the platform's Transparency Center, both of which topics have been covered extensively in RS. I'm proposing new subsections for both these topics, to be added within the "Content and usage" section.
I am also proposing a new paragraph about two of TikTok's content customization features, the "Content Levels" rating system and the ability to selectively mute hashtags.
TikTok maintains and enforces Community Guidelines applying to the platform's users and content. The stated purpose of the guidelines is to "establish a set of norms and common code of conduct that provide for a safe and welcoming space for everyone." [1]
Prior to 2020, the Community Guidelines consisted of a few bullet points relating only to the most extreme content. In January 2020, TikTok expanded its guidelines significantly, adding 10 categories of content subject to removal by moderators, including terrorist propaganda, hate speech, sexual content. The changes to the guidelines placed an emphasis on child safety, newly prohibiting videos depicting minors consuming alcohol, drugs and tobacco. The guidelines also ban "the depiction, trade, or promotion of firearms," except in the contexts of use by law enforcement and use in "a safe and controlled environment such as a shooting range." [2]
Originally, video content violating the Community Guidelines would be removed from the platform, but the content's creator would not be informed of which policy the content violated. [2] In October 2020, TikTok announced it would begin telling users which policy they violated that resulted in the deletion of their content. [3]
In February 2022, TikTok updated the Community Guidelines again, newly banning deadnaming, misgendering, misogyny, promotion of conversion therapy and promotion of disordered eating. [4]
TikTok's Transparency Center is a virtual hub providing public access to the various "transparency reports" it publishes, including reports on Community Guidelines enforcement, government removal requests, intellectual property removal requests, information requests and California privacy rights. [5] [6] In July 2022, TikTok announced that later in 2022 it would provide "selected researchers" with access to the platform's moderation tools at the Transparency Center, allowing them to evaluate the moderation system and conduct experiments with different types of content. [7]
In July 2022, TikTok introduced its "Content Levels" rating system, in which human moderators evaluate video content and assign a "maturity score" meant to prevent younger users from viewing age-inappropriate material. TikTok also rolled out a feature allowing users to selectively mute hashtags, so users can avoid being shown videos they do not want to see. [8]
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Thanks, Bkenny44 ( talk) 21:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Also no mention of Project Clover in the TikTok article. Here are some sources:
A similar data localization plan being put in place, this time in Europe. Whereas Project Texas is related to the North American market. Both the Clover & Texas projects should be included in the article, in my opinion. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 03:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
The Wiki page Tik Tok has the name Tik Tok incorrectly translated as "sound vibration". Tik tok in Chinese translates to Dou Yin which means Acne marks or acne scars. However this page is unable to be edited and remains incorrect. Robertball118 ( talk) 13:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the “Viral trends” topic of the “Content and usage” section, change “Chamberlin as Gusteau” to “Kevin Chamberlin as Gusteau”, with a link to Chamberlin’s Wikipedia article imbedded into his name. 71.191.41.118 ( talk) 00:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest adding this information to the paragraph to the section on "content concerns":
The history of the Holocaust can also be distorted through universalization that decontextualizes the historical reality of this past. [1] It is often unintentional, unrecognized and not necessarily done with any antisemitic intent. It can also reflect a deep-rooted unwillingness to confront the historical reality of the Holocaust – that this was a genocide of Jews, committed and facilitated by non-Jews. [2] In some forms – such as the TikTok Holocaust trend in Summer 2020 where young creators posted short videos of themselves in the role of dead Holocaust victims – it may not be immediately clear what motivates such behaviour and representations. [3] Deeply offensive and distressing to many, it appears that, in some cases at least, this may have been an attempt to respond to learning about the Holocaust and to educate others. Such distorted representations of the past nonetheless have significant consequences for public knowledge, memory, discourse and historical understanding. [4]
I suggest adding this information to Content concerns -> Content censorship and moderation
“We do not permit content that contains hate speech or involves hateful behaviour, and we remove it from our platform”. TikTok consider hateful ideologies to be those that “demonstrate clear hostility toward people because of their protected attributes. Hateful ideologies are incompatible with the inclusive and supportive community that our platform provides and we remove content that promotes them”
According to the community guidelines, users cannot post, upload, stream or share:
· Content that praises, promotes, glorifies, or supports any hateful ideology (such as white supremacy, misogyny, anti-LGBTQ or antisemitism)
· Content that contains names, symbols, logos, flags slogans, uniforms, gestures, salutes, illustrations, portraits, songs, music, lyrics or other objects related to a hateful ideology
· Content that denies well-documented and violent events have taken place affecting groups with protected attributes (such as Holocaust denial)
· Claims of supremacy over a group of people with reference to other protected attributes
· Conspiracy theories used to justify hateful ideologies.
TikTok publishes information about its content moderation, algorithms and privacy and security practices. Its transparency reports show the volume and nature of content removed for violating TikTok’s Community Guidelines or Terms of Service, and how TikTok responds to law enforcement requests for information, government requests for content removals and copyrighted content take-down notices. The company has announced Transparency and Accountability Centers in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. [5]
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Add information about influencers being able to get paid through tik tok by brands.
TikTok defines sponsored content as any video created by an individual that promotes a brand, product, or service in exchange for anything of value from a third party. This includes product or service brand endorsements, collaborations, or any other type of special marketing.
A sponsored content post might feature a product that you were given or got cash to promote. It might entail you getting a commission from a third party if other creators buy the product or service you promote. It might even be a post about a brand with which you have a business relationship, such as if you're a brand ambassador or anything similar. Lovemusic03 ( talk) 05:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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27.55.79.4 ( talk) 20:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Should probably added to the article: Former ByteDance Executive Claims Chinese Communist Party Accessed TikTok's Hong Kong User Data. 93.72.49.123 ( talk) 22:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The following news, from months to years ago, should be added but was blocked by an editor. Let's start with a few paragraphs with more to come; refer to the discussion at notice board for more. CurryCity ( talk) 04:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
A1 (add under United States ban): In January 2020, the United States Army and Navy banned TikTok on government devices after the Defense Department pegged it as a security risk. Before the policy change, army recruiters had been using the platform to attract young people. Unofficial promotional videos continue to be posted on TikTok under personal accounts, drawing the ire of government officials, but they have also helped increase the number of enlistees; several accounts have millions of views and followers. [1] [2] [3]
A2 (add under United States ban): Attempts to ban TikTok have also raised the question of whether protectionism of its own corporations, rather than privacy concerns, is the primary motivation of the US Government. The types of data collected by TikTok are also collected by other social media platforms and available through brokers, often without oversight. [4] An analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies writes that it would make more sense to focus on the protection of data directly rather than on any particular platform. [5]
A3 (add under Content censorship and moderation replacing the final paragraph of that section): Following increased scrutiny, TikTok is granting some outside experts access to the platform's anonymized data sets and protocols, including filters, keywords, criteria for heating, and source code. [6] [7]
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B1 (reword in Expansion in other markets) TikTok was the first non-Facebook app to reach that figure, despite Instagram spending millions on Reels as a rival product. [1]
B2 (add to United States ban) Security experts interviewed by CNN said that speculations of threats to the United States still lack clear evidence. Some of TikTok's practices, although deplorable, are commonplace in the industry. Instead, the protection of private user data across all platforms and national boundaries should be the priority. [2]
B3 (add to Content censorship and moderation) A March 2021 study by the Citizen Lab found that TikTok did not censor searches politically but was inconclusive about whether posts are. [3] [4] A 2023 paper by the Internet Governance Project at Georgia Institute of Technology found no pro-China censorship on TikTok. [5]
B4 (remove from User privacy concerns cannot find RS) Web developers Talal Haj Bakry and Tommy Mysk said that allowing videos and other content to be shared by the app's users through HTTP puts the users' data privacy at risk. [6]
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C1 (reword Heating with more information) In January 2023, Forbes reported that a "heating" tool allows TikTok to manually promote certain videos, comprising 1-2% of daily views. The practice began as a way to grow and diversify content and influencers that were not automatically picked up by the recommendation algorithm. It was also used to promote brands, artists, and NGOs being courted by the company. However, some employees have abused it to promote their own accounts or those of their spouses, while others have felt that their guidelines leave too much room for discretion. TikTok said only a few individuals can approve heating in the U.S. and the promoted videos take up less than 0.002% of user feeds. To address concerns of Chinese influence, the company is negotiating with the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States such that future heating could only be performed by vetted security personnel in the U.S. and the process would be audited by third-parties such as Oracle. [1]
C2 (reword paragraph under Addiction and mental health concerns with more information) Since 2021, it has been reported that accounts engaging with contents related to suicide, self-harm, or eating disorder were fed similar videos. Some users were able to circumvent TikTok filters by writing in code or using unconventional spelling. The company has faced multiple lawsuits pertaining to wrongful deaths. TikTok said it is working to break up these "rabbit holes" of similar recommendations. US searches for eating disorder receive a prompt that offers mental health resources. [2] [3] [4]
C3 (remove quote under User privacy concerns undue coverage) and stating "I look at that app as so fundamentally parasitic, that it's always listening, the fingerprinting technology they use is truly terrifying, and I could not bring myself to install an app like that on my phone." [5] [6]
C4 (condense under one heading UK Information Commissioner's Office investigation) In February 2019, the United Kingdom's Information Commissioner's Office launched an investigation of TikTok following the fine ByteDance received from the United States Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Speaking to a parliamentary committee, Information Commissioner Elizabeth Denham said that the investigation focuses on the issues of private data collection, the kind of videos collected and shared by children online, as well as the platform's open messaging system which allows any adult to message any child. She noted that the company was potentially violating the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) which requires the company to provide different services and different protections for children. [7]
C5 (condense under one heading Journalist spying scandal) In June 2022, BuzzFeed News reported that leaked audio recordings of internal TikTok meetings reveal employees in China had access to overseas data, including a "master admin" who could see "everything". Some of the recordings were made during consultations with Booz Allen Hamilton, a US government contractor. A spokesperson of the contractor said some of the report's information was inaccurate but would neither confirm nor deny whether TikTok was one of its clients. [8] Following the reports, TikTok confirmed that employees in China could have access to U.S. data. [9] It also announced that US user traffic would now be routed through Oracle Cloud and that backup copies would be deleted from other servers. [10]
In October 2022, Forbes reported that a team at ByteDance planned to surveil certain US citizens for undisclosed reasons. TikTok said that the tracking method suggested by the report would not be feasible because precise GPS information is not collected by the platform. [11] [12] In December 2022, ByteDance confirmed after internal investigation that the data of several journalists had been accessed by its employees from China and the United States on an "audit" team. Their intention was to uncover sources of leaks who might have met with journalists from BuzzFeed, Forbes, and the Financial Times. The data accessed included IP addresses, which can be used to approximate a user's location. Four employees have been terminated, including the audit team's lead Chris Lepitak and his superior, executive Song Ye. ByteDance and TikTok condemned the individuals' misuse of authority. [13] The incident is being investigated by the US Department of Justice. [14]
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D1 (condense into new section "Project Texas" under United States ban) TikTok has been working to silo privileged user data within the United States under oversight from the US government or a third party such as Oracle. [1] Named Project Texas, the details are being negotiated with the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) and focus on unauthorised access, state influence, and software security. A new subsidiary, TikTok U.S. Data Security Inc. (USDS), was created to manage user data, software code, back-end systems, and content moderation. It would report to CFIUS, not ByteDance or TikTok, even for hiring pratices. Oracle would review and spot check the data flows through USDS. It would also digitally sign software code, approve updates, and oversee content moderation and recommendation. Physical locations would be established so that Oracle and the US government could conduct their own reviews. [2]
In March 2023, a former employee of the company said Project Texas did not go far enough and that a complete "re-engineering" would be needed. TikTok responded by saying that Project Texas already is a re-engineering of the app and that the former employee left in 2022 before the project specifications were finalised. [3]
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E1 (add to User privacy concerns) A March 2021 study by the Citizen Lab found that TikTok did not collect data beyond the industry norms, what its policy stated, or without additional user permission. [1]
E2 (new section under User privacy concerns after Europe) TikTok says it is holding discussions with UK's National Cyber Security Centre about Project Clover, a plan to store European information locally. A third party will be monitoring its servers' data flow. The company will add a second data centre to its existing one in Ireland as well as a third in Norway. [2] [3]
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Hi there, this page links to https://mediakix.com/blog/top-tik-tok-statistics-demographics that doesn't exist anymore. Please change it to this brand new updated page that has a lot of TikTok stats: https://theinfluencermarketingfactory.com/top-tiktok-stats-2023/
Thank you Cuzofobim ( talk) 21:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I think it's just a fad and not a suitable encylopaedic contents for TikTok. WP:RECENTISM and WP:NEWS This page is about TikTok, not the latest fad and such contents are undue. Do other editors feel the contents in question at Special:Diff/1176134926 should be included? courtesy ping to @ Nathan121212: Graywalls ( talk) 18:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
According to wiktionary wiktionary:抖音 means vibrato, thus that would be an pitch oscillation, "vibrating sound" is unclear, sound IS vibration. 31.20.106.40 ( talk) 20:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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link Zhang Yiming to the Zhang Yiming page Benniebooboo ( talk) 11:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
'Content is curated by TikTok's artificial intelligence depending on the content a user liked, interacted with, or searched. This is in contrast to other social networks' algorithms basing such content off of the user's relationships with other users and what they liked or interacted with.'
How is this 'a contrast'? As far as I understand it, two of the three mentioned factors for each platform - what a user 'liked' and 'interacted with' - coincide. You have to read it more than once to figure out the only (supposed) difference, which appears to be that TikTok considers what a user 'searched', while other social networks consider 'the user's relationships with other users'. If that is true, an intelligible formulation could be something like: 'This is in contrast to other social networks' algorithms which, while also taking into account what users liked or interacted with, place more weight on the user's relationships with other users and do not consider what they searched to the same extent.' But I don't know if that's true, because the source article is behind a paywall. In particular, I doubt that other networks don't take into account what you searched for. 62.73.69.121 ( talk) 10:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)