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On 21 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Tiffany. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I lost the source, but recently she was in a few news articles mentioning an upcoming country album. If I haven't relocated this information and added it already, could someone else be so kind as to? Thanks. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 04:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there a source for this category? Last I heard, she was living in Nashville. This could be considered contentious material, if there is no proper source for it. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
What would be the best way to list tracks of hers that were exclusive to compilations - such as her 3 songs from the Jetsons movie soundtrack, or tribute album contributions such as her cover of Morning Musume's Sexy Lady, or the U2 - New Year's Day cover with Front Line Assembly? There were quite a few others as well - many of which would probably be considered notable releases. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 02:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
This article could use a lot more sourcing + tone cleanup...also, there doesn't seem to be any mention of her first single, "Danny". It failed to chart, but should still be notable, at least compared to some of the unsourced facts listed. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 00:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm British and not entirely familiar with mall culture, but surely she can't possibly have played *every* mall in the USA? Bonalaw 09:46, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This article could probably use some expansion concerning "The Beautiful You: Celebrating The Good Life Shopping Mall Tour '87," as the mall tour was officially titled. - B.C.Schmerker 03:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody have proof that she was born in Oklahoma? This appears to be a matter of debate among fans, as there doesn't seem to have been a conclusive statement of her birthplace anywhere; it's variously given as Oklahoma or California in different biographical sketches. Similarly, the spelling of her last name has been given as "Darwish" and "Darwisch" in different sources. Tiffany herself doesn't seem to have shown much interest in insisting that reporters get these facts straight. Dtobias 17:12, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Is this the singer that "danced" with her hands? Like doing dance moves which mainly involved her hand positions?
Hi, I've seen and heard a lot about Tiffany's middle eastern blood lines. Obviously she's got middle eastern blood with the surname Darwish but is she part Lebanese or Syrian or both? And if so, aside from the rather obvious clue in the name, where is the proof to what's stated in this article? I'm sure many of Tiffany's middle eastern fans would love to know!
I am not sure which type of blood that you are referring to when you speak of the middle-east. Is it that Asian, African or mixed (arab) blood? From the boi, it appears as if her father was half something or they say 'part,' but that does not make her an arab. Just like Doug Flutie said that he does not recognize any arabness in him just because a family member is Lebanese. Arab and middle-eastern is not a race. If anything, it means that you are more likely than not to have some African blood in you!-- 71.235.94.254 04:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this 'Other musical Tiffanys' section necessary at all? Considering that most of that section has anything to do with THIS Tiffany herself, that kind of stuff belongs in the disambiguation pages. Chad427 ( talk) 03:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
66.3.106.1 ( talk) 10:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it would be good to mention the documentary "I Think We're Alone Now"? Its focus is on two of Tiffany's stalkers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkdeadite ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I've added the documentary in a Legacy section, seems appropriate. Jonpatterns ( talk) 10:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to change the date of Tiffany's appearance in Playboy. It was in April 2002, not 2009. Elsquared ( talk) 02:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
i saw a horror film the other day with tiffany in it cant remember the name now but it was about friends staying at a log cabin in the snow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.57.13 ( talk) 08:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Why no Australian chart positions? ITWAN reached #13 and 'Could've Been' and 'I Saw Him Standing There' both went top 10... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 ( talk) 04:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 05:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Tiffany (American singer) → Tiffany Darwish – I checked Bing News, Google News, and Google Books. Her surname, Darwish, has been "fairly often used". Searching "tiffany singer" in these pages isn't very easy. Per WP:NCP, this singer should be disambiguated naturally, especially per WP:NATURAL. For Bing News, 30 results for " Tiffany Darwish"; Tiffany-singer has 33 results, but five articles refer to this person. I'm unsure about Google Books because of too many results, but I found out her surname is alternatively spelled Darwisch. George Ho ( talk) 09:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Several people made good arguments, and there is no name that is free of disadvantages. The move was favored by a majority of editors. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Tiffany (American singer) → Tiffany Darwish – Tiffany Darwish is not the only American singer using the name "Tiffany". Tiffany, a member of South Korean girl group Girls' Generation, is also an American because she was born in the U.S. (however she is now based in South Korea thus everyone often misleads that she is a South Korean. Simon ( talk) 08:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Post close comment: the views of regarding presenting the other Tiffany as being an American singer may not have complete relevance. The title of the Korean language page of that singer translates to : Tiffany (singer of the Republic of Korea). Greg Kaye 13:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Support split - Discography section takes up more than one third of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled Tiffany Darwish discography. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 06:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tiffany Darwish/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Assessed as B-class, but is a good article. Would encourage the editors to bring this up to Wikipedia:Good Article or Wikipedia:Featured Article standards. Carcharoth 08:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC) |
Substituted at 05:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
"She passed a hat amongst the crowd afterwards, and collected $40,000 in what would be her first career earnings." If there was ever something which needs a source, this is it, WikiAlto ( talk) 08:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Tiffany Darwish is the daughter of James (Jamie) Darwish (1934-1995) and Jane Christine Wilson (1946-). They married in Los Angeles, California in 1970-1971 and divorced around the same time when Tiffany was born in 1971.
Tiffany Darwish's birth certificate- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG6J-G6T
Divorce certificate of Tiffany's parents https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PX https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PD
Tiffany's father James (Jamie) Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 according to his the Naturalization Act of 1940 of his parents Allie Darwish and Annie Osmon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDB-TXLF?cc=2546149&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AC9ZZ-Z93Z
James Darwish Grave Memorial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167417554
Her paternal grandfather Allie Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1909 and her paternal grandmother Annie Osmon was born in 1914-1915 in Highland Park, Michigan according to the act above. They were married in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 where James (Jamie) was born.
Annie Osmon was the daughter of Joe Osmon and Jennie Osmon both also from Tebnine, Lebanon. Joe Osmon/Ossman Draft Registration where it says he was from Tebnine, Lebanon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XZ-MB5 Annie Osmon in the 1920 US Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ7P-6GW Chris O' Hare ( talk) 18:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that the first sentence of the article should be worded differently. People are reading “Tiffany” followed by “Tiffany” which is quite badly worded. I propose that her full name should be first and then “also known simply as Tiffany” or “known simply as Tiffany” or anything to that effect. I’m not disputing that she’s known simply as Tiffany, but to read Tiffany followed by Tiffany again is a bit silly.
Is there any awards and nominations received by Tiffany? 222.127.184.57 ( talk) 13:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
@ FriendlyFerret9854, there has been considerable earlier discussion here about page moves, but not specifically about how to refer to Tiffany in the article. Our guidance at WP:SURNAME seems to indicate that since she is professionally known, and documented widely in WP:RS, as "Tiffany" we should refer to her mononymously as "Tiffany" throughout the article. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is rough consensus that Tiffany Young is another American singer known mononymously as Tiffany. While their full names may not be their common names, discussion has generated consensus that the guideline for preferring natural disambiguation prevails in this case. ( non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 02:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Tiffany Darwish →
Tiffany
Tiffany (American singer) – Why is Tiffany Darwish's surname being used as part of this article's name? She's not generally speaking known by her full name, she has never been known by her full name on any music videos or any merchandise like posters, t-shirts, tours, etc. There's no confusion between her and
Tiffany Young with the latter going by and being known by her full name. Even if there were two people sharing the same mononym that's still not a good enough reason to include the surnames of both of them when one of them has never really been known by her surname and a simple (born 1971) for Tiffany Darwish and (born 1989) for Tiffany Young would solve it anyway. We all know that Madonna's full name is Madonna Ciccone, but her surname isn't used in the article's name about her because she's never gone by her surname, the same goes for Tiffany.
FriendlyFerret9854 (
talk) 20:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. No such user ( talk) 09:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Tiffany Darwish → Tiffany (American singer) – I did not make this clear last time. I do not believe that there’s any need for “Darwish” to be included in the name of the article so I propose changing the article to “Tiffany (American singer)”. FriendlyFerret9854 ( talk) 17:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
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On 21 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Tiffany. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I lost the source, but recently she was in a few news articles mentioning an upcoming country album. If I haven't relocated this information and added it already, could someone else be so kind as to? Thanks. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 04:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there a source for this category? Last I heard, she was living in Nashville. This could be considered contentious material, if there is no proper source for it. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
What would be the best way to list tracks of hers that were exclusive to compilations - such as her 3 songs from the Jetsons movie soundtrack, or tribute album contributions such as her cover of Morning Musume's Sexy Lady, or the U2 - New Year's Day cover with Front Line Assembly? There were quite a few others as well - many of which would probably be considered notable releases. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 02:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
This article could use a lot more sourcing + tone cleanup...also, there doesn't seem to be any mention of her first single, "Danny". It failed to chart, but should still be notable, at least compared to some of the unsourced facts listed. Granny Bebeb ( talk) 00:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm British and not entirely familiar with mall culture, but surely she can't possibly have played *every* mall in the USA? Bonalaw 09:46, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This article could probably use some expansion concerning "The Beautiful You: Celebrating The Good Life Shopping Mall Tour '87," as the mall tour was officially titled. - B.C.Schmerker 03:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody have proof that she was born in Oklahoma? This appears to be a matter of debate among fans, as there doesn't seem to have been a conclusive statement of her birthplace anywhere; it's variously given as Oklahoma or California in different biographical sketches. Similarly, the spelling of her last name has been given as "Darwish" and "Darwisch" in different sources. Tiffany herself doesn't seem to have shown much interest in insisting that reporters get these facts straight. Dtobias 17:12, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Is this the singer that "danced" with her hands? Like doing dance moves which mainly involved her hand positions?
Hi, I've seen and heard a lot about Tiffany's middle eastern blood lines. Obviously she's got middle eastern blood with the surname Darwish but is she part Lebanese or Syrian or both? And if so, aside from the rather obvious clue in the name, where is the proof to what's stated in this article? I'm sure many of Tiffany's middle eastern fans would love to know!
I am not sure which type of blood that you are referring to when you speak of the middle-east. Is it that Asian, African or mixed (arab) blood? From the boi, it appears as if her father was half something or they say 'part,' but that does not make her an arab. Just like Doug Flutie said that he does not recognize any arabness in him just because a family member is Lebanese. Arab and middle-eastern is not a race. If anything, it means that you are more likely than not to have some African blood in you!-- 71.235.94.254 04:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this 'Other musical Tiffanys' section necessary at all? Considering that most of that section has anything to do with THIS Tiffany herself, that kind of stuff belongs in the disambiguation pages. Chad427 ( talk) 03:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
66.3.106.1 ( talk) 10:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it would be good to mention the documentary "I Think We're Alone Now"? Its focus is on two of Tiffany's stalkers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkdeadite ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I've added the documentary in a Legacy section, seems appropriate. Jonpatterns ( talk) 10:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to change the date of Tiffany's appearance in Playboy. It was in April 2002, not 2009. Elsquared ( talk) 02:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
i saw a horror film the other day with tiffany in it cant remember the name now but it was about friends staying at a log cabin in the snow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.57.13 ( talk) 08:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Why no Australian chart positions? ITWAN reached #13 and 'Could've Been' and 'I Saw Him Standing There' both went top 10... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 ( talk) 04:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 05:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Tiffany (American singer) → Tiffany Darwish – I checked Bing News, Google News, and Google Books. Her surname, Darwish, has been "fairly often used". Searching "tiffany singer" in these pages isn't very easy. Per WP:NCP, this singer should be disambiguated naturally, especially per WP:NATURAL. For Bing News, 30 results for " Tiffany Darwish"; Tiffany-singer has 33 results, but five articles refer to this person. I'm unsure about Google Books because of too many results, but I found out her surname is alternatively spelled Darwisch. George Ho ( talk) 09:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Several people made good arguments, and there is no name that is free of disadvantages. The move was favored by a majority of editors. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Tiffany (American singer) → Tiffany Darwish – Tiffany Darwish is not the only American singer using the name "Tiffany". Tiffany, a member of South Korean girl group Girls' Generation, is also an American because she was born in the U.S. (however she is now based in South Korea thus everyone often misleads that she is a South Korean. Simon ( talk) 08:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Post close comment: the views of regarding presenting the other Tiffany as being an American singer may not have complete relevance. The title of the Korean language page of that singer translates to : Tiffany (singer of the Republic of Korea). Greg Kaye 13:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Support split - Discography section takes up more than one third of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled Tiffany Darwish discography. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 06:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tiffany Darwish/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Assessed as B-class, but is a good article. Would encourage the editors to bring this up to Wikipedia:Good Article or Wikipedia:Featured Article standards. Carcharoth 08:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC) |
Substituted at 05:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
"She passed a hat amongst the crowd afterwards, and collected $40,000 in what would be her first career earnings." If there was ever something which needs a source, this is it, WikiAlto ( talk) 08:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Tiffany Darwish is the daughter of James (Jamie) Darwish (1934-1995) and Jane Christine Wilson (1946-). They married in Los Angeles, California in 1970-1971 and divorced around the same time when Tiffany was born in 1971.
Tiffany Darwish's birth certificate- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG6J-G6T
Divorce certificate of Tiffany's parents https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PX https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PD
Tiffany's father James (Jamie) Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 according to his the Naturalization Act of 1940 of his parents Allie Darwish and Annie Osmon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDB-TXLF?cc=2546149&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AC9ZZ-Z93Z
James Darwish Grave Memorial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167417554
Her paternal grandfather Allie Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1909 and her paternal grandmother Annie Osmon was born in 1914-1915 in Highland Park, Michigan according to the act above. They were married in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 where James (Jamie) was born.
Annie Osmon was the daughter of Joe Osmon and Jennie Osmon both also from Tebnine, Lebanon. Joe Osmon/Ossman Draft Registration where it says he was from Tebnine, Lebanon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XZ-MB5 Annie Osmon in the 1920 US Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ7P-6GW Chris O' Hare ( talk) 18:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that the first sentence of the article should be worded differently. People are reading “Tiffany” followed by “Tiffany” which is quite badly worded. I propose that her full name should be first and then “also known simply as Tiffany” or “known simply as Tiffany” or anything to that effect. I’m not disputing that she’s known simply as Tiffany, but to read Tiffany followed by Tiffany again is a bit silly.
Is there any awards and nominations received by Tiffany? 222.127.184.57 ( talk) 13:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
@ FriendlyFerret9854, there has been considerable earlier discussion here about page moves, but not specifically about how to refer to Tiffany in the article. Our guidance at WP:SURNAME seems to indicate that since she is professionally known, and documented widely in WP:RS, as "Tiffany" we should refer to her mononymously as "Tiffany" throughout the article. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is rough consensus that Tiffany Young is another American singer known mononymously as Tiffany. While their full names may not be their common names, discussion has generated consensus that the guideline for preferring natural disambiguation prevails in this case. ( non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 02:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Tiffany Darwish →
Tiffany
Tiffany (American singer) – Why is Tiffany Darwish's surname being used as part of this article's name? She's not generally speaking known by her full name, she has never been known by her full name on any music videos or any merchandise like posters, t-shirts, tours, etc. There's no confusion between her and
Tiffany Young with the latter going by and being known by her full name. Even if there were two people sharing the same mononym that's still not a good enough reason to include the surnames of both of them when one of them has never really been known by her surname and a simple (born 1971) for Tiffany Darwish and (born 1989) for Tiffany Young would solve it anyway. We all know that Madonna's full name is Madonna Ciccone, but her surname isn't used in the article's name about her because she's never gone by her surname, the same goes for Tiffany.
FriendlyFerret9854 (
talk) 20:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. No such user ( talk) 09:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Tiffany Darwish → Tiffany (American singer) – I did not make this clear last time. I do not believe that there’s any need for “Darwish” to be included in the name of the article so I propose changing the article to “Tiffany (American singer)”. FriendlyFerret9854 ( talk) 17:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)