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but, according to Benjamin A. Elman, "[w]hen understood on its own terms, Buddhism cannot be dismissed as pessimistic or nihilistic".[18] Moreover, answers which Nietzsche assembled to the questions he was asking, not only generally but also in Zarathustra, put him "very close to some basic doctrines found in Buddhism".[18] An example is when Zarathustra says that "the soul is only a word for something about the body".[18]
Is it just me or does this part appear very misplaced or contrived and probably suffering from undue weight too? If anything, it should be put into reception. It doesn't fit here. Nietzhe talks about eternal reoccurence too which is the opposite of what Buddhism preaches where the goal is to get out of the life cycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.22.160.62 ( talk) 09:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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The introduction states,
This "in-universe" way of writing about Zarathustra as a real person should not be one of the first (and possibly, only) things a reader gleans. Even if the reader has noticed the link to "philosophical fiction", they may still reasonably presume that Nietzsche is merely retelling a historical figure's beliefs. These sentences should make extra clear that the ideas properly belong to Nietzsche.
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it is important for the article to somehow address the confusion since obscuring exactly who "spoke" was part of Nietzsche's goal: this is adressed in the section Thus Spoke Zarathustra#Character of Zarathustra which is the very first section. Veverve ( talk) 18:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
There are some reddit-level preposterous statements regarding this in the article. German-language internet, however, makes no mention of any Sanskrit studying by Nietzsche at all, and one German article bluntly states that "Nietzsche did not have language access to the original Buddhist texts". Also, personally, as a person who has studied Latin and Greek, the ancient languages are s**t hard and you can't just learn them in your free time and not even tell anybody. 86.63.168.150 ( talk) 02:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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but, according to Benjamin A. Elman, "[w]hen understood on its own terms, Buddhism cannot be dismissed as pessimistic or nihilistic".[18] Moreover, answers which Nietzsche assembled to the questions he was asking, not only generally but also in Zarathustra, put him "very close to some basic doctrines found in Buddhism".[18] An example is when Zarathustra says that "the soul is only a word for something about the body".[18]
Is it just me or does this part appear very misplaced or contrived and probably suffering from undue weight too? If anything, it should be put into reception. It doesn't fit here. Nietzhe talks about eternal reoccurence too which is the opposite of what Buddhism preaches where the goal is to get out of the life cycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.22.160.62 ( talk) 09:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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TSZ has been listed at
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Veverve (
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21:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
Zarathustra (fictional philosopher) has been listed at
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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 18 § Zarathustra (fictional philosopher) until a consensus is reached.
Veverve (
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21:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
The introduction states,
This "in-universe" way of writing about Zarathustra as a real person should not be one of the first (and possibly, only) things a reader gleans. Even if the reader has noticed the link to "philosophical fiction", they may still reasonably presume that Nietzsche is merely retelling a historical figure's beliefs. These sentences should make extra clear that the ideas properly belong to Nietzsche.
B9 (
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15:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
it is important for the article to somehow address the confusion since obscuring exactly who "spoke" was part of Nietzsche's goal: this is adressed in the section Thus Spoke Zarathustra#Character of Zarathustra which is the very first section. Veverve ( talk) 18:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
There are some reddit-level preposterous statements regarding this in the article. German-language internet, however, makes no mention of any Sanskrit studying by Nietzsche at all, and one German article bluntly states that "Nietzsche did not have language access to the original Buddhist texts". Also, personally, as a person who has studied Latin and Greek, the ancient languages are s**t hard and you can't just learn them in your free time and not even tell anybody. 86.63.168.150 ( talk) 02:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)