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I just wanted to know if it was a name of a card game or a technique used in dealing or a profession. It took me a while to read to where it actually said what it is. Maybe there should be a separate place for all the different names. It looks bad the way it is now. -- 206.87.81.34 ( talk) 11:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
The name of the article conflicts with the introduction sentence. Request for clarification. Move may be needed. Tyciol 11:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
No, every usage, in books, I have seen on magic and the history of three-card Monte, it is with a capital "M." Soapy 14:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In addition: You mentioned other Wiki sites using the capital "M" in their articles. If you have changed them to small case, please revert to capitals once again. Thank you. Soapy 14:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I have moved "Three card monte" to "Three-card Monte," which is the correct way according to all my books, and the Magic Castle. I have also taken the responsibility of changing the "What links here" spellings. Soapy 15:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I think we've got this sorted out now (there was an interesting mess of double-redirects terminating in an endless loop, I think). In any case, I defer on the m/M issue. The other un-capitalizing I did was things like Queen->queen, which I think should remain. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-There are redirects. I don't think much can be done about these, as they had to do with other titles related to this article, such as
Find the Lady. I changed what I could, and did not touch the userpages and such. I agree with the other changes you made (Queen/queen).
Soapy
17:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
While there can be no doubt that this game is a con in the vast majority of cases, this article has weasel words galore and cannot claim to be written in an impassioned tone. This reads like a page from a law enforcement website devoted to warning the world about illegal gambling, not an encyclopedia entry. I added a neutrality tag to the page, and will add a worldwide view tag as soon as I learn the code for one. Sylocat 07:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's far too overreaching to say that it violates NPOV. I have changed the tag to cleanup, which encompasses a few different parts of the discussion page. Ab2kgj 02:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed a probability section that claimed the odds of winning a fair game were 1 in 3. While this might be true if the player chooses a card at random, in any actual fair game the probability would depend entirely on the player's ability to accurately track the movements of the target card with his or her eyes. Tmdean 07:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
i deleted "romania" at see also - because i really cannot SEE what romania has to do with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.188.245.159 ( talk) 14:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think hatnotes usually get refs. The one I just added, saying three-card monte can be another name for three-card poker, is from Albert H. Morehead, Richard L. Frey, and Geoffrey Mott-Smith, The New Complete Hoyle, Doubleday & Company, 1964, p. 34. — JerryFriedman (Talk) 04:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
The rest of the article speaks of 'the dealer'. In the "Drop Move" suddenly the dealer is given the second person "you", making it read like an instruction manual to would-be con artists. Vynbos ( talk) 09:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree, this really needs to be changed. The author of that section is clearly giving advice on how to defraud people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.251.40 ( talk) 00:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I had the good fortune to witness this con being run in earnest by some Roma street people (from Romania .. gee) in Geneva four years ago. It was like watching an old movie, but it was real. I didn't know the con, but thought something was up. After watching for some time with a couple of people coming and going, I realized who was who and what was happening. I was so excited about it that when I new guy showed up I explained it all to him, pointing out the shills, how they were working together so the money won wasn't really changing hands, etc. and what the dealer was doing to remove the card. I was escorted away by another man who I had not recognized as part of the game and given a send off. I was probably lucky not to have been beat up. Another thing they were doing which you did not have in the article was constant talking, barker like narration, cheering etc, so that it looked like fun but I suppose also prevented the mark from concentrating.
Cool guys! Thanks for the article! It really was just like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.197.199 ( talk) 06:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
It can also be used as a lure to draw a victim out of sight to be robbed. Another cheat is to have a shill snatch the victim's money as soon as it's placed or even the whole wallet as soon as it's seen then flee. Other shills then block pursuit, threaten and deride the victim for "allowing" himself to be robbed. Using a child for the theft allows the "blockers" to directly threaten, and sometimes assault, the victim on the pretext of protecting a claimed relative. The "dealer" can easily deny complicity. The blockers can deny the theft. Using a large number of shills defeates the possibility that the victim may not be alone. It also increases the use of violence against victims, and passers by. By playing an aggressive form where a large number of shills draw attention with motion, jostling and "rap" onlookers' pockets can be picked. Victim's resistance to a pickpocket can draw attack from confederates of the gang. Because of the tendancy to violence used by perpetrators of the crime police will often quickly respond to a report of the game. But sometimes a cop won't investigate. Often it's a tipoff the cop is in on it or may be the leader of the gang. Such a cop may warn the complainant that the gang may see him reporting to a cop, and retailate. Cops warning complainants against reporting crimes is a sure sign the cop is in on it. 98.164.73.58 ( talk) 16:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The infobox lists players as "np" - I'm not sure what this notation is meant to be referring to. Would it be worth changing to a word/phrase that makes sense in English without jargon? -- Random Time 16:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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I just wanted to know if it was a name of a card game or a technique used in dealing or a profession. It took me a while to read to where it actually said what it is. Maybe there should be a separate place for all the different names. It looks bad the way it is now. -- 206.87.81.34 ( talk) 11:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
The name of the article conflicts with the introduction sentence. Request for clarification. Move may be needed. Tyciol 11:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
No, every usage, in books, I have seen on magic and the history of three-card Monte, it is with a capital "M." Soapy 14:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In addition: You mentioned other Wiki sites using the capital "M" in their articles. If you have changed them to small case, please revert to capitals once again. Thank you. Soapy 14:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I have moved "Three card monte" to "Three-card Monte," which is the correct way according to all my books, and the Magic Castle. I have also taken the responsibility of changing the "What links here" spellings. Soapy 15:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I think we've got this sorted out now (there was an interesting mess of double-redirects terminating in an endless loop, I think). In any case, I defer on the m/M issue. The other un-capitalizing I did was things like Queen->queen, which I think should remain. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-There are redirects. I don't think much can be done about these, as they had to do with other titles related to this article, such as
Find the Lady. I changed what I could, and did not touch the userpages and such. I agree with the other changes you made (Queen/queen).
Soapy
17:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
While there can be no doubt that this game is a con in the vast majority of cases, this article has weasel words galore and cannot claim to be written in an impassioned tone. This reads like a page from a law enforcement website devoted to warning the world about illegal gambling, not an encyclopedia entry. I added a neutrality tag to the page, and will add a worldwide view tag as soon as I learn the code for one. Sylocat 07:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's far too overreaching to say that it violates NPOV. I have changed the tag to cleanup, which encompasses a few different parts of the discussion page. Ab2kgj 02:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed a probability section that claimed the odds of winning a fair game were 1 in 3. While this might be true if the player chooses a card at random, in any actual fair game the probability would depend entirely on the player's ability to accurately track the movements of the target card with his or her eyes. Tmdean 07:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
i deleted "romania" at see also - because i really cannot SEE what romania has to do with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.188.245.159 ( talk) 14:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think hatnotes usually get refs. The one I just added, saying three-card monte can be another name for three-card poker, is from Albert H. Morehead, Richard L. Frey, and Geoffrey Mott-Smith, The New Complete Hoyle, Doubleday & Company, 1964, p. 34. — JerryFriedman (Talk) 04:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
The rest of the article speaks of 'the dealer'. In the "Drop Move" suddenly the dealer is given the second person "you", making it read like an instruction manual to would-be con artists. Vynbos ( talk) 09:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree, this really needs to be changed. The author of that section is clearly giving advice on how to defraud people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.251.40 ( talk) 00:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I had the good fortune to witness this con being run in earnest by some Roma street people (from Romania .. gee) in Geneva four years ago. It was like watching an old movie, but it was real. I didn't know the con, but thought something was up. After watching for some time with a couple of people coming and going, I realized who was who and what was happening. I was so excited about it that when I new guy showed up I explained it all to him, pointing out the shills, how they were working together so the money won wasn't really changing hands, etc. and what the dealer was doing to remove the card. I was escorted away by another man who I had not recognized as part of the game and given a send off. I was probably lucky not to have been beat up. Another thing they were doing which you did not have in the article was constant talking, barker like narration, cheering etc, so that it looked like fun but I suppose also prevented the mark from concentrating.
Cool guys! Thanks for the article! It really was just like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.197.199 ( talk) 06:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
It can also be used as a lure to draw a victim out of sight to be robbed. Another cheat is to have a shill snatch the victim's money as soon as it's placed or even the whole wallet as soon as it's seen then flee. Other shills then block pursuit, threaten and deride the victim for "allowing" himself to be robbed. Using a child for the theft allows the "blockers" to directly threaten, and sometimes assault, the victim on the pretext of protecting a claimed relative. The "dealer" can easily deny complicity. The blockers can deny the theft. Using a large number of shills defeates the possibility that the victim may not be alone. It also increases the use of violence against victims, and passers by. By playing an aggressive form where a large number of shills draw attention with motion, jostling and "rap" onlookers' pockets can be picked. Victim's resistance to a pickpocket can draw attack from confederates of the gang. Because of the tendancy to violence used by perpetrators of the crime police will often quickly respond to a report of the game. But sometimes a cop won't investigate. Often it's a tipoff the cop is in on it or may be the leader of the gang. Such a cop may warn the complainant that the gang may see him reporting to a cop, and retailate. Cops warning complainants against reporting crimes is a sure sign the cop is in on it. 98.164.73.58 ( talk) 16:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The infobox lists players as "np" - I'm not sure what this notation is meant to be referring to. Would it be worth changing to a word/phrase that makes sense in English without jargon? -- Random Time 16:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)