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There are a lot of self-published sources however. 19:35, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't notice any Primary Sources in the sources list (at least as I understand them). I vote to remove the primary sources issue. 04:07, 6 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frapsity ( talk • contribs)
I've mistaken his birth year, f'real, he was born in 1989. Basteperk ( talk) 08:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Some of the rewording was okay, but trimmed out relevant data that made the context more difficult to understand, putting the article at risk of not establishing notability as it should and therefore being deleted in the AfD it's going through right now. Some of the references were trimmed out too, which should never be done without a good reason. On the other hand, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, the introduction must be a summary of the whole article. That is, it must be able to stand on its own as a "mini version" of the article. To do so, all the relevant data must be present on the introduction. That means it's crucial for the awards references to appear there as it's crucial to establish Sanders is a notable Viner/Youtuber, and the same goes for his theatre and television career, for the same reasons..
About the text of the article, I decided not using the word "stagnant", as references have proven me that that was wrong. Sanders' account was already growing way before the end of Vine was announced. It was growing already since 2015. That's why the references from the internet archive are shown, as they feature how many followers the account had on different precise dates, and that gives a more precise information of how it was growing instead of just saying "stagnant" which is a too vague term and not completely true.-- Manbemel ( talk) 12:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Thomas Sanders (entertainer). ( closed by page mover) Simplexity22 ( talk) 01:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Thomas Sanders (creator) → ? – The disambiguator "creator" does not seem to be a good one. We need an alternative one such as
Thomas Sanders (actor),
Thomas Sanders (singer), or
Thomas Sanders (YouTuber).
GeoffreyT2000 (
talk)
01:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
As established in WP:MTR, in this section, points 6 and 7, the fancruft template, as any other templates based on opinion, requires consensus to be kept, and it is required to open a discussion in the talk page of the article to decide wether it stays or it goes. If no consensus is reached, it has to be removed.
I'm concerned by the comments above and the recent back and forth over the poorly sourced information in the Theater. I think more attention should be put on the requirements of WP:BLP: high quality sources, close adherence to content policy, and burden of inclusion. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
I just looked over the first 20 sources. There are many sources by him, many more that are primary. While I'm not contesting his notability, which I assume is established by the awards, I'm not seeing any in-depth coverage. Could someone point out any sources in the article that contain in-depth coverage? -- Ronz ( talk) 21:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9p2UlQunxI
http://www.mtv.com/news/2507946/thomas-sanders-vine-interview/
https://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/11/the-ultimate-storytime-tour-with-vine-star-thomas-sanders/21448342/?guccounter=1
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/28/media/vine-shut-down-stars-next-plans/index.html
https://www.inquisitr.com/3926406/thomas-sanders-disney-channel-sitcom/
https://www.wuft.org/news/2015/05/22/vine-makes-celebrity-out-of-local-actor/
https://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/11/how-vine-launched-thomas-sanders-comedic-career/21448348/
https://www.smash.com/guy-surprises-random-strangers-hilariously-narrates-lives/
http://mediakix.com/2015/03/vine-stars-top-breakout-channels/#gs.J3MiC94
https://shortyawards.com/9th/thomassanders
I am a communication major in college. Through my research and experiences in class, I have found that the definition of an expert has been constantly changing. I was concerned when I saw the warning on this page saying that this is an unbiased and unfinished source. I looked at the sources that the fan used and most of them came from either the videos themselves or IMDB. I consider the videos as a reliable source because it is content that is put onto the web that helps contextualize the story and influence of this entertainer. I recognize the need for there to not be original research, but I think this figure is a person who is relevant now. It would be more beneficial to have a page on him now than to wait for there to be peer-reviewed articles on his influence on the media. Thomas seems to be a person who is very concerned about putting all information and videos in the right context. I would argue that his inclusion on the Wikipedia platform should be looked at in a media studies context because of his influence on multiple social media platforms. He also takes care to raise awareness for minority groups such as the lgbtqa+ community, communities of people with autism, and communities of people with mental illness. He especially expresses diversity in the team he cultivates to create the videos. A notable member of the team is his non-binary friend Joan who puts a lot of creative work into the videos as well. The influence that Thomas Sanders has in media studies and representation makes his inclusion on Wikipedia a crucial addition to the site. I believe the content on the page is sufficiently neutral and aligns with the guidelines set forth by Wikipedia. I am interested in hearing any concerns or questions that stem from my argument. -- Sophierydin33 ( talk) 18:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I took out a good chunk of the article. Some was written by a fan and seemed too personal. I kept the more relevant parts, but some didn’t seem necessary. The long description of Sanders Sides may have been better suited for the corresponding article. I tried to only get rid of the unnecessary parts. Hope it looks better now. The Council of Seraphim ( talk) 02:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
This article was nominated for deletion on 4 November 2017. The result of the discussion was keep. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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There are a lot of self-published sources however. 19:35, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't notice any Primary Sources in the sources list (at least as I understand them). I vote to remove the primary sources issue. 04:07, 6 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frapsity ( talk • contribs)
I've mistaken his birth year, f'real, he was born in 1989. Basteperk ( talk) 08:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Some of the rewording was okay, but trimmed out relevant data that made the context more difficult to understand, putting the article at risk of not establishing notability as it should and therefore being deleted in the AfD it's going through right now. Some of the references were trimmed out too, which should never be done without a good reason. On the other hand, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, the introduction must be a summary of the whole article. That is, it must be able to stand on its own as a "mini version" of the article. To do so, all the relevant data must be present on the introduction. That means it's crucial for the awards references to appear there as it's crucial to establish Sanders is a notable Viner/Youtuber, and the same goes for his theatre and television career, for the same reasons..
About the text of the article, I decided not using the word "stagnant", as references have proven me that that was wrong. Sanders' account was already growing way before the end of Vine was announced. It was growing already since 2015. That's why the references from the internet archive are shown, as they feature how many followers the account had on different precise dates, and that gives a more precise information of how it was growing instead of just saying "stagnant" which is a too vague term and not completely true.-- Manbemel ( talk) 12:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Thomas Sanders (entertainer). ( closed by page mover) Simplexity22 ( talk) 01:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Thomas Sanders (creator) → ? – The disambiguator "creator" does not seem to be a good one. We need an alternative one such as
Thomas Sanders (actor),
Thomas Sanders (singer), or
Thomas Sanders (YouTuber).
GeoffreyT2000 (
talk)
01:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
As established in WP:MTR, in this section, points 6 and 7, the fancruft template, as any other templates based on opinion, requires consensus to be kept, and it is required to open a discussion in the talk page of the article to decide wether it stays or it goes. If no consensus is reached, it has to be removed.
I'm concerned by the comments above and the recent back and forth over the poorly sourced information in the Theater. I think more attention should be put on the requirements of WP:BLP: high quality sources, close adherence to content policy, and burden of inclusion. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
I just looked over the first 20 sources. There are many sources by him, many more that are primary. While I'm not contesting his notability, which I assume is established by the awards, I'm not seeing any in-depth coverage. Could someone point out any sources in the article that contain in-depth coverage? -- Ronz ( talk) 21:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9p2UlQunxI
http://www.mtv.com/news/2507946/thomas-sanders-vine-interview/
https://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/11/the-ultimate-storytime-tour-with-vine-star-thomas-sanders/21448342/?guccounter=1
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/28/media/vine-shut-down-stars-next-plans/index.html
https://www.inquisitr.com/3926406/thomas-sanders-disney-channel-sitcom/
https://www.wuft.org/news/2015/05/22/vine-makes-celebrity-out-of-local-actor/
https://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/11/how-vine-launched-thomas-sanders-comedic-career/21448348/
https://www.smash.com/guy-surprises-random-strangers-hilariously-narrates-lives/
http://mediakix.com/2015/03/vine-stars-top-breakout-channels/#gs.J3MiC94
https://shortyawards.com/9th/thomassanders
I am a communication major in college. Through my research and experiences in class, I have found that the definition of an expert has been constantly changing. I was concerned when I saw the warning on this page saying that this is an unbiased and unfinished source. I looked at the sources that the fan used and most of them came from either the videos themselves or IMDB. I consider the videos as a reliable source because it is content that is put onto the web that helps contextualize the story and influence of this entertainer. I recognize the need for there to not be original research, but I think this figure is a person who is relevant now. It would be more beneficial to have a page on him now than to wait for there to be peer-reviewed articles on his influence on the media. Thomas seems to be a person who is very concerned about putting all information and videos in the right context. I would argue that his inclusion on the Wikipedia platform should be looked at in a media studies context because of his influence on multiple social media platforms. He also takes care to raise awareness for minority groups such as the lgbtqa+ community, communities of people with autism, and communities of people with mental illness. He especially expresses diversity in the team he cultivates to create the videos. A notable member of the team is his non-binary friend Joan who puts a lot of creative work into the videos as well. The influence that Thomas Sanders has in media studies and representation makes his inclusion on Wikipedia a crucial addition to the site. I believe the content on the page is sufficiently neutral and aligns with the guidelines set forth by Wikipedia. I am interested in hearing any concerns or questions that stem from my argument. -- Sophierydin33 ( talk) 18:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I took out a good chunk of the article. Some was written by a fan and seemed too personal. I kept the more relevant parts, but some didn’t seem necessary. The long description of Sanders Sides may have been better suited for the corresponding article. I tried to only get rid of the unnecessary parts. Hope it looks better now. The Council of Seraphim ( talk) 02:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)