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Can we have some confirmation of this?
I must insist on sources for this article. This information seems to be amazingly wrong. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:13, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Further: "Theoditus" seems to be a misspelled of "Theodotus". - Ta bu shi da yu 14:15, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Jonathan" is indeed Hebrew. It is an Israelite name and a contraction of "Jehonathan" יְהוֹנָתָן listed below; both forms are used interchangeably for the son of King Saul. This name is not directly related to the Semitic god Yaw, who was not worshipped by the Israelites, but is clearly derived from the name of the Israelite God YHWH, i.e. Yahwe, Jehovah or whatever. There may be some link between the names YHWH and Yaw, but no direct link. The same is true for the El name in Samuel, Elizabeth etc; although El was a Canaanite deity, for the Israelites who used these names El was simply one of the words they used to refer to their one God. Peterkirk 14:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
A new section has been added to the Wikipedia Article:Theophoric Names.
The title of the section is:
Seeker02421 11:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
The table below shows Theophoric names starting with "Yeho". B-Hebrew transcriptions have been added to this Table, that are not shown in the Table in the Article
[ Note! Hebrew reads from right to left ]
Strong's # | Hebrew word | ||||
Seeker02421 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The table below is a reformated version of the table found in Section #1.
[ Note! Hebrew reads from right to left ]
Strong's # | Hebrew word | |||
Seeker02421 23:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
In section # 5 of the Wikipedia Article:Theophoric Names, three scholarly sources are quoted as saying that theophoric names can be derived from "YaHWeH".
_____________________________________________________________________
Second attempt to derive Nethaniah by compounding YaHWeH with Nathan
_____________________________________________________________________
Does יַהְוֶה [i.e. YaHWeH] added as a suffix to נָתַן [i.e. Nathan] = נְתַנְיָה [ i.e. Nethaniah ]?
1. I added the suffix יַהְוֶה [ i.e. YaH:WeH ] to נָתַן [ i.e. Nathan ].
2. I now changed the "Nun Sofeet" to a regular Nun with a silent shewa under it.
3. I assumed that the qamets under the first nun in Nathan reduces to a shewa.
4. I now dropped the "segol heh" which left the waw as a consonant:
5. At this point can the "waw" be deleted,
and then can the silent shewa under the heh be deleted,
which means that we would end up with נְתַנְיַה = [Nethan:yah]
However is there a Hebrew grammar rule that will now require that the patah under the yod be changed to a qamets?
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The following text was found at YHWHgroup ּYHWH:
>>>
So can anyone explain how Y'ho- could come from Yahweh?
>>>
___________________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________________________
Using the italicized text above as a guide
[see the full text at the beginning of this section],
the question being asked is:
Does יַהְוֶה [i.e. YaHWeH] added as a suffix to נָתַן [i.e. Nathan] = נְתַנְיָה [ i.e. Nethaniah ]?
יַהְוֶ
Going in steps according to the above italicized text, we would seem to first get נְתַנְיָו [i.e. Nethanyaw].
In the next subsection, Christian Ginsburg's explanation for why Theophoric names prefixed with "Jeho" were altered and became Theophoric names prefixed with "Jo" will be presented.
In the table in section 3.1 of the Wikipedia Article:Theophoric Names it should be noted that 13 Theophoric names with "Yeho" prefixes have corresponding forms [in bold type] in which the letters "e" and "h" have been omitted.
In Scott Jones' Article:"Jehovah", it states:
___________________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________________________
Using the italicized text above as a guide
the question being asked is:
Does נָתַן [i.e. Nathan] prefixed with יַהְוֶה [i.e. YaHWeH] = יְהוֹנָתָן [ i.e. Yehownathan ].
Does יְהוֹנָתָן =
יַהְוֶה
+ נָתַן?
The assumption is being made here, that many of the changes that were seen to occur in Section # 2.1 of these discussions will also occur here. [The next four sentences are speculative.]
This article seems to be about the concept of theophoric names across multiple religions but more than 75% of it is about theophoric names in Hebrew. How about creating an article titled Theophoric names in Hebrew and moving most of the text in this article to that new article? That would restore the balance in this article of discussion of theophoric names in other religions. -- Richard 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
The 'translation/meaning' of the bible name Samuel is stated as being "his name is El" i.e. 'his name is God'. Surely this is incorrect! -- Lepton6 ( talk) 12:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The Roman name Marcus (and thus Marc and Mark) comes from that of the god Mars. Should this be included? Lily20 ( talk) 21:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Can't find this word in any of at least 20 dictionaries. Only exists on wikipedia. Seems to be a neologism, a combination of Theo (god) and -phor (metaphor; from Greek: pherein, to carry) with the suffix -ic. To carry a god's name; to bear a god's name. Someone is trying to make a word, using the internet as a vessel. This probably makes some people feel important, but violates WP:NOR. Article needs to be moved to a suitable title space, an article name not invented by Wikipedia users.-- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 10:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
There's considerable redundancy in the Y(eh)o table. Here's a possible rearrangement. (Or how about a refactoring? I hear they're all the rage.)
Strong's # | the name | word | English conventional form | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
long form | short form | long form | short form | long form | short form | |||
3059 | 3099 | יְהוֹאָחָז | Yᵉhow'achaz | יוֹאָחָז | Yow'achaz | achaz [# 270] | Jehoachaz | Joachaz |
3060 | 3101 | יְהוֹאָש | Yᵉhow'ash | יוֹאָש | Yow'ash | 'esh [# 784] | Jehoash | Joash |
3075 | 3107 | יְהוֹזָבָד | Yᵉhowzabad | יוֹזָבָד | Yowzabad | zabad [# 2064] | Jehozabad | Jozabad |
3076 | 3110 | יְהוֹחָנָן | Yᵉhowchanan | יוֹחָנָן | Yowchanan | chanan [# 2603] | Jehochanan | Jochanan |
3077 | 3111 | יְהוֹיָדָע | Yᵉhowyada | יוֹיָדָע | Yowyada | yada [# 3045] | Jehojada | Jojada |
3078 | 3112 | יְהוֹיָכִין | Yᵉhowyakiyn | יוֹיָכִין | Yowyakiyn | kuwn [# 3559] | Jehojakin | Jojakin |
3079 | 3113 | יְהוֹיָקִימ | Yᵉhowyaqiym | יוֹיָקִימ | Yowyaqiym | quwm [# 3965] | Jehojakim | Jojakim |
3080 | 3114 | יְהוֹיָרִיב | Yᵉhowyariyb | יוֹיָרִיב | Yowyariyb | riyb [# 7378] | Jehojarib | Jojarib |
3082 | 3122 | יְהוֹנָדָב | Yᵉhownadab | יוֹנָדָב | Yownadab | nadab [# 5068] | Jehonadab | Jonadab |
3083 | 3129 | יְהוֹנָתָן | Yᵉhownathan | יוֹנָתָן | Yownathan | nathan [# 5414] | Jehonathan | Jonathan |
3085 | — | יְהוֹעַדָּה | Yᵉhow'addah | — | — | 'adah [# 5710] | Jehoaddah | — |
3087 | 3136 | יְהוֹצָדָק | Yᵉhowtsadaq | יוֹצָדָק | Yowtsadaq | tsadaq [# 6663] | Jehotsadak | Jotsadak |
3088 | 3141 | יְהוֹרָם | Yᵉhowram | יוֹרָם | Yowram | ruwm [# 7311] | Jehoram | Joram |
3092 | 3146 | יְהוֹשָפָט | Yᵉhowshaphat | יוֹשָפָט | Yowshaphat | shaphat [# 8199] | Jehoshaphat | Joshaphat |
3470a | 3470 | יְשַׁעְיָהוּ | Yᵉsha'yahuw | יְשַׁעְיָה | Yᵉsha'yah | yasha [# 3467] | Jeshajahu | Jeshajah |
5418a | 5418 | נְתַנְיָהוּ | Nᵉthanyahuw | נְתַנְיָה | Nᵉthanyah | nathan [# 5414] | Nethanjahu | Nethanjah |
138a | 138 | אֲדֹנִיָּהוּ | 'Adoniyahuw | אֲדֹנִיָּה | 'Adoniyah | 'adown [# 113] | Adonijahu | Adonijah |
452a | 452 | אֵלִיָּהוּ | 'Eliyahu | אֵלִיָּה | ' Eliyah | 'el [# 410] | Elijahu | Elijah |
3414a | 3414 | יִרְמְיָהוּ | Yirmᵉyahuw | יִרְמְיָה | Yirmᵉyah | ruwm [# 7311] | Jirmejahu | Jirmejah |
— | 5166 | — | — | נְחֶמְיָה | Nᵉchemyah | nacham [# 5162] | — | Nechemjah |
Is the transliteration a bit nonstandard? Length marks are missing, for one thing, and lenition is inconsistent. — Tamfang ( talk) 06:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a duplicate article that has been created. ~ Iamthecheese44 ( talk) 22:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
For example, Tutankhamun's original name, Tutankhaten, means "Living Image of Aten", while Tutankhamun means "Living Image of Amun". If Germanic gods are allowed as examples, then other pagan gods should also be allowed to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:335F:DCC0:94F:4DE9:1229:A850 ( talk) 18:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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Timotheus is listed in the Christian section, but most of the people on the disambiguation page predate Christianity. Perhaps it should be either moved or copied into the Classical section? Jfmantis ( talk) 22:54, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
I mean, obviously the name doesn't "invok[e] and display[] the protection of" El, but it certainly "embeds the name of" El (emphasis added). While its theophobic nature would certainly disqualify it as a theophilic name, that should not, in my opinion, disqualify it as a theophoric name.
Wiktionary, after all, defines theophoric as merely "[c]ontaining the name of a deity" (emphasis added)—which, to me, seems the appropriate parametre, and would mean that the name Samael (meaning venom of god) would constitute a theophoric name. Even the present article states that theophoros literally means "bearing or carrying a god"—so, again, Samael would seem appropriate for inclusion.
allixpeeke ( talk) 06:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
How can Joseph be a theophoric name of Yahweh when Moses first learned of it in Exodus 6:3? For those that claim Moses wrote the old testament, and therefore inserted it in regards to Abraham and other patriarchs (when they called on it), can not rely on such an argument to explain the name of Joseph. For if Joseph is indeed a theophoric name of Yahweh, then Rebecca (Joseph's mother) would have known the name Yahweh thus contradicting Exodus 6:3. DocMando ( talk) 01:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I find the tables related to the various meanings very interesting, but miss any references as to their origin. Would the person who has entered these tables please provide such references, otherwise these are just conjecture and do not belong in a wikipedia article. Hskoppek ( talk) 12:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
It's a pre-Christian Greek name, apparently originating from Zeus Georgos, which was an ancient Athenian agrarian god. The agrarian aspect is in the name's etymology in fact, meaning "earthworker' and\ or "husbandman". 92.114.148.91 ( talk) 22:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Info I have found out from a good source:
Can we have some confirmation of this?
I must insist on sources for this article. This information seems to be amazingly wrong. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:13, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Further: "Theoditus" seems to be a misspelled of "Theodotus". - Ta bu shi da yu 14:15, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Jonathan" is indeed Hebrew. It is an Israelite name and a contraction of "Jehonathan" יְהוֹנָתָן listed below; both forms are used interchangeably for the son of King Saul. This name is not directly related to the Semitic god Yaw, who was not worshipped by the Israelites, but is clearly derived from the name of the Israelite God YHWH, i.e. Yahwe, Jehovah or whatever. There may be some link between the names YHWH and Yaw, but no direct link. The same is true for the El name in Samuel, Elizabeth etc; although El was a Canaanite deity, for the Israelites who used these names El was simply one of the words they used to refer to their one God. Peterkirk 14:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
A new section has been added to the Wikipedia Article:Theophoric Names.
The title of the section is:
Seeker02421 11:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
The table below shows Theophoric names starting with "Yeho". B-Hebrew transcriptions have been added to this Table, that are not shown in the Table in the Article
[ Note! Hebrew reads from right to left ]
Strong's # | Hebrew word | ||||
Seeker02421 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The table below is a reformated version of the table found in Section #1.
[ Note! Hebrew reads from right to left ]
Strong's # | Hebrew word | |||
Seeker02421 23:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
In section # 5 of the Wikipedia Article:Theophoric Names, three scholarly sources are quoted as saying that theophoric names can be derived from "YaHWeH".
_____________________________________________________________________
Second attempt to derive Nethaniah by compounding YaHWeH with Nathan
_____________________________________________________________________
Does יַהְוֶה [i.e. YaHWeH] added as a suffix to נָתַן [i.e. Nathan] = נְתַנְיָה [ i.e. Nethaniah ]?
1. I added the suffix יַהְוֶה [ i.e. YaH:WeH ] to נָתַן [ i.e. Nathan ].
2. I now changed the "Nun Sofeet" to a regular Nun with a silent shewa under it.
3. I assumed that the qamets under the first nun in Nathan reduces to a shewa.
4. I now dropped the "segol heh" which left the waw as a consonant:
5. At this point can the "waw" be deleted,
and then can the silent shewa under the heh be deleted,
which means that we would end up with נְתַנְיַה = [Nethan:yah]
However is there a Hebrew grammar rule that will now require that the patah under the yod be changed to a qamets?
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The following text was found at YHWHgroup ּYHWH:
>>>
So can anyone explain how Y'ho- could come from Yahweh?
>>>
___________________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________________________
Using the italicized text above as a guide
[see the full text at the beginning of this section],
the question being asked is:
Does יַהְוֶה [i.e. YaHWeH] added as a suffix to נָתַן [i.e. Nathan] = נְתַנְיָה [ i.e. Nethaniah ]?
יַהְוֶ
Going in steps according to the above italicized text, we would seem to first get נְתַנְיָו [i.e. Nethanyaw].
In the next subsection, Christian Ginsburg's explanation for why Theophoric names prefixed with "Jeho" were altered and became Theophoric names prefixed with "Jo" will be presented.
In the table in section 3.1 of the Wikipedia Article:Theophoric Names it should be noted that 13 Theophoric names with "Yeho" prefixes have corresponding forms [in bold type] in which the letters "e" and "h" have been omitted.
In Scott Jones' Article:"Jehovah", it states:
___________________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________________________
Using the italicized text above as a guide
the question being asked is:
Does נָתַן [i.e. Nathan] prefixed with יַהְוֶה [i.e. YaHWeH] = יְהוֹנָתָן [ i.e. Yehownathan ].
Does יְהוֹנָתָן =
יַהְוֶה
+ נָתַן?
The assumption is being made here, that many of the changes that were seen to occur in Section # 2.1 of these discussions will also occur here. [The next four sentences are speculative.]
This article seems to be about the concept of theophoric names across multiple religions but more than 75% of it is about theophoric names in Hebrew. How about creating an article titled Theophoric names in Hebrew and moving most of the text in this article to that new article? That would restore the balance in this article of discussion of theophoric names in other religions. -- Richard 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
The 'translation/meaning' of the bible name Samuel is stated as being "his name is El" i.e. 'his name is God'. Surely this is incorrect! -- Lepton6 ( talk) 12:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The Roman name Marcus (and thus Marc and Mark) comes from that of the god Mars. Should this be included? Lily20 ( talk) 21:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Can't find this word in any of at least 20 dictionaries. Only exists on wikipedia. Seems to be a neologism, a combination of Theo (god) and -phor (metaphor; from Greek: pherein, to carry) with the suffix -ic. To carry a god's name; to bear a god's name. Someone is trying to make a word, using the internet as a vessel. This probably makes some people feel important, but violates WP:NOR. Article needs to be moved to a suitable title space, an article name not invented by Wikipedia users.-- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 10:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
There's considerable redundancy in the Y(eh)o table. Here's a possible rearrangement. (Or how about a refactoring? I hear they're all the rage.)
Strong's # | the name | word | English conventional form | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
long form | short form | long form | short form | long form | short form | |||
3059 | 3099 | יְהוֹאָחָז | Yᵉhow'achaz | יוֹאָחָז | Yow'achaz | achaz [# 270] | Jehoachaz | Joachaz |
3060 | 3101 | יְהוֹאָש | Yᵉhow'ash | יוֹאָש | Yow'ash | 'esh [# 784] | Jehoash | Joash |
3075 | 3107 | יְהוֹזָבָד | Yᵉhowzabad | יוֹזָבָד | Yowzabad | zabad [# 2064] | Jehozabad | Jozabad |
3076 | 3110 | יְהוֹחָנָן | Yᵉhowchanan | יוֹחָנָן | Yowchanan | chanan [# 2603] | Jehochanan | Jochanan |
3077 | 3111 | יְהוֹיָדָע | Yᵉhowyada | יוֹיָדָע | Yowyada | yada [# 3045] | Jehojada | Jojada |
3078 | 3112 | יְהוֹיָכִין | Yᵉhowyakiyn | יוֹיָכִין | Yowyakiyn | kuwn [# 3559] | Jehojakin | Jojakin |
3079 | 3113 | יְהוֹיָקִימ | Yᵉhowyaqiym | יוֹיָקִימ | Yowyaqiym | quwm [# 3965] | Jehojakim | Jojakim |
3080 | 3114 | יְהוֹיָרִיב | Yᵉhowyariyb | יוֹיָרִיב | Yowyariyb | riyb [# 7378] | Jehojarib | Jojarib |
3082 | 3122 | יְהוֹנָדָב | Yᵉhownadab | יוֹנָדָב | Yownadab | nadab [# 5068] | Jehonadab | Jonadab |
3083 | 3129 | יְהוֹנָתָן | Yᵉhownathan | יוֹנָתָן | Yownathan | nathan [# 5414] | Jehonathan | Jonathan |
3085 | — | יְהוֹעַדָּה | Yᵉhow'addah | — | — | 'adah [# 5710] | Jehoaddah | — |
3087 | 3136 | יְהוֹצָדָק | Yᵉhowtsadaq | יוֹצָדָק | Yowtsadaq | tsadaq [# 6663] | Jehotsadak | Jotsadak |
3088 | 3141 | יְהוֹרָם | Yᵉhowram | יוֹרָם | Yowram | ruwm [# 7311] | Jehoram | Joram |
3092 | 3146 | יְהוֹשָפָט | Yᵉhowshaphat | יוֹשָפָט | Yowshaphat | shaphat [# 8199] | Jehoshaphat | Joshaphat |
3470a | 3470 | יְשַׁעְיָהוּ | Yᵉsha'yahuw | יְשַׁעְיָה | Yᵉsha'yah | yasha [# 3467] | Jeshajahu | Jeshajah |
5418a | 5418 | נְתַנְיָהוּ | Nᵉthanyahuw | נְתַנְיָה | Nᵉthanyah | nathan [# 5414] | Nethanjahu | Nethanjah |
138a | 138 | אֲדֹנִיָּהוּ | 'Adoniyahuw | אֲדֹנִיָּה | 'Adoniyah | 'adown [# 113] | Adonijahu | Adonijah |
452a | 452 | אֵלִיָּהוּ | 'Eliyahu | אֵלִיָּה | ' Eliyah | 'el [# 410] | Elijahu | Elijah |
3414a | 3414 | יִרְמְיָהוּ | Yirmᵉyahuw | יִרְמְיָה | Yirmᵉyah | ruwm [# 7311] | Jirmejahu | Jirmejah |
— | 5166 | — | — | נְחֶמְיָה | Nᵉchemyah | nacham [# 5162] | — | Nechemjah |
Is the transliteration a bit nonstandard? Length marks are missing, for one thing, and lenition is inconsistent. — Tamfang ( talk) 06:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a duplicate article that has been created. ~ Iamthecheese44 ( talk) 22:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
For example, Tutankhamun's original name, Tutankhaten, means "Living Image of Aten", while Tutankhamun means "Living Image of Amun". If Germanic gods are allowed as examples, then other pagan gods should also be allowed to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:335F:DCC0:94F:4DE9:1229:A850 ( talk) 18:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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Timotheus is listed in the Christian section, but most of the people on the disambiguation page predate Christianity. Perhaps it should be either moved or copied into the Classical section? Jfmantis ( talk) 22:54, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
I mean, obviously the name doesn't "invok[e] and display[] the protection of" El, but it certainly "embeds the name of" El (emphasis added). While its theophobic nature would certainly disqualify it as a theophilic name, that should not, in my opinion, disqualify it as a theophoric name.
Wiktionary, after all, defines theophoric as merely "[c]ontaining the name of a deity" (emphasis added)—which, to me, seems the appropriate parametre, and would mean that the name Samael (meaning venom of god) would constitute a theophoric name. Even the present article states that theophoros literally means "bearing or carrying a god"—so, again, Samael would seem appropriate for inclusion.
allixpeeke ( talk) 06:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
How can Joseph be a theophoric name of Yahweh when Moses first learned of it in Exodus 6:3? For those that claim Moses wrote the old testament, and therefore inserted it in regards to Abraham and other patriarchs (when they called on it), can not rely on such an argument to explain the name of Joseph. For if Joseph is indeed a theophoric name of Yahweh, then Rebecca (Joseph's mother) would have known the name Yahweh thus contradicting Exodus 6:3. DocMando ( talk) 01:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I find the tables related to the various meanings very interesting, but miss any references as to their origin. Would the person who has entered these tables please provide such references, otherwise these are just conjecture and do not belong in a wikipedia article. Hskoppek ( talk) 12:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
It's a pre-Christian Greek name, apparently originating from Zeus Georgos, which was an ancient Athenian agrarian god. The agrarian aspect is in the name's etymology in fact, meaning "earthworker' and\ or "husbandman". 92.114.148.91 ( talk) 22:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)