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I propose: (a) To remove the 'Christianity' template (b) To move the material on divisions of theology, which is very largely exclusively Christian material, to the 'Christian theology' page (c) To move the material on the controversy surrounding the emergence of Christian theology to the 'History of theology' page This page should, presumably, be even-handedly about all the contemporary uses of the word 'theology', which is no longer confined to Christianity; it has to give the Christian history of the term, but should not then imply that 'theology' is now synonymous to 'Christian theology'.
Any objections? -- mahigton 11:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Can more detail be added to Women as theological figures (see comments on talk page) - including an introduction.
Religion and politics also needs development - some of the areas could be moved to separate pages (of the "X and politics" format), leaving this as the hub page, and for discussions on the topic in general.
Both could be linked from this page.
I have reached the limits of my theological knowledge with both fields.
Jackiespeel 30 January 2007 (this library terminal won't let me sign in)
Given that there are pages elsewhere for Christian theology etc, and that this article is now clearly focused on (a) the history of use of the word 'theology' and (b) aspects of its contemporary usage that are relevant to more than one religious tradition, am I right in thinking that links on this page should not be to resources for Christian theology (or any other particular theology) but to
Is that fair? -- mahigton 22:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we maybe think about archiving this talk page? -- Selket Talk 07:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Both of these terms redirect here, however only theologian is mentioned in the article text. Wiktionary has different definitions for these terms, albeit not very clearly delineated ( wikt:theologian wikt:theologist). Perhaps this article should contain a brief discussion and clarification of these terms with respect to one another? __ meco 09:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The section discussing theology and the academy claims its role is "uniquely" problematic, because of how for example it tries to balance academic discourse with within-a-faith viewpoint and practical involvement. This might be problematic, granted, but it isn't uniquely so; other areas of academia, such as Marxist theory and feminist theory, share similar issues with fitting an activist, practically involved viewpoint into academia. -- Delirium 10:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
More quotations in favour of theology and/or theologians can be found here [1]. This site supports intelligent design. I'll leave it to your judgement. -- 85.73.241.86 06:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only one who thinks the cartoon at the bottom of the page lampooning theology is completely irrelevant and inappropriate? This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. If someone was looking for information on the subject, how would that cartoon help anyone? It just seems ill-advised and juvenile. Emailnuevo ( talk) 17:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)emailnuevo
Obviously not pertinent to a serious discussion of theology. Christian Left ( talk) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
We need some criticism of the study in most American universities. It is too Christian biased. 65.102.200.170 ( talk) 19:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
There needs to be a Criticism section. Whether you agree or disagree, there is an obvious controversy here, since there's a growing section of the scientific community that suggests "Theology" isn't a valid subject at all, or they at least group it together with pseudoscience. Again, I'm not voicing my opinion, I'm simply stating the facts and trying to make this Wikipedia entry reflect the whole picture. For instance, in the Parapsychology wiki page, there is a section for Criticism. I see no reason why this page should not have a similar section. I'm not familiar with wiki practices, but I'd like to hear some argument for why we should or shouldn't have a Criticism section. 68.81.97.59 ( talk) 21:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Similarly, this article is missing something on Walter Benjamin's attempts at a secular theology. Whilst these are not mainstream, they are very informative on the concept in general. I think a brief description of them would fit nicely in a criticism section.
NB a criticism section should not primarily include criticisms of a particular theology or beliefs. Any such criticisms must have as their thrust the criticism of theology as a study. For example, one might say that modern theology has become overly concerned with the topic of God, rather than other theological ideas such as Redemption, and remembrance. A criticism section may help to differentiate Theology from Philosophy and religion, and it would be good to address the criticism of theology as pseudoscience, similar to the Critiques section on the Science page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#Critiques —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.77.183 ( talk) 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
A critique, or criticism section similar to the Science one, as suggested, would be an invaluable addition. However, I also think the critiques should come from philosophers, philosophers of theology, or theologians (preferably credible ones) i.e. At least from sources with an established history, or knowledge in the study. For example, as assumed above; the scientific community are not theologians, nor are they philosophers of theology unless their science is theology, which would follow that they are indeed theologians. In the critique section, the distinction of science, as a body of knowledge, and science, as referring to the scientific method of investigation, should be made; a link to the Science page, where it explains this distinction in the introduction paragraph should be cited as well. 09:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.184.250 ( talk)
Find enough reliable sources, by reliable I mean not biased or shared by any narrow minded individual and you got yourself a deal. Let's remember this isn't your play ground to toy with it.-- 209.80.246.3 ( talk) 19:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by the following existentialist assertions 'biased' and 'narrow minded' (rather childish choice of wording) -- but as long as the content conforms to Wiki policy, it's fair game. 209.105.184.113 ( talk) 10:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
"Even when it is distinguished from these other disciplines, however, some hold that the very idea of an academic discipline called theology, housed in institutions like Universities, is an inherently secular, Western notion.[citation needed][original research?] Noting that 'reasoned discourse about religion/God' is an idea with a very particular intellectual pedigree, with at least some roots in Graeco-Roman intellectual culture, they[who?] argue that this idea actually brings with it deep assumptions which we can now see to be related to ideas underlying 'secularism': i.e., the whole idea of reasoned discourse about God/religion suggests the possibility of a common intellectual framework or set of tools for investigating, comparing and evaluating traditions - an idea with a strong affinity for a 'secular' world view in which religions are seen as particular choices, set within an overarching religiously neutral public sphere. They argue that even those who pursue this discourse as a way of deepening their commitment to and expertise in their own tradition, perhaps even so as to become promoters and propagators of it, often do so in a way which underlines this same 'secular' atmosphere - by assuming the communicability of their religious views (as explored and explained by theological discourse) within a neutral intellectual market-place."
Now I ask, why is there an entire paragraph based on a definition of theology held only by Wikipedia? Since when is theology known as 'reasoned discourse about religion/God'? Why include an entire paragraph which is not only complete, uncited speculation, but bases its entire argument on a random definition? 64.252.160.124 ( talk) 02:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This currently starts with a false statement: "Theology is the study of religion from a religious perspective." It merits deletion. Further statements are a little better. Theology is the study of God: Religious studies is the study of human religions. Rlsheehan ( talk) 01:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
My dictionary and about 99% of them disagree. Guess who wins?-- 209.80.246.3 ( talk) 19:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
The intro now (April 2012) states: "Theology is the systematic and rational study of religion..." Rational? As in, according to the principles of logic and reason? Sorry, but religion and religious studies centre largely on faith. Logic and reason are, necessarily, suspended when dealing with the central tenets of religions (at least, those based on untestable, unprovable, hypothetical existence of an all-powerful and infallible supernatural beings). Remove "rational" from the sentence and it will be accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.185.85 ( talk) 09:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
The introduction and the etymology sections do not agree with standard definitions or with Wikipedia itself. (See -ology) The basic definition is and will always be that theology comes from the Greek and is divided into two parts: theos and ology. These mean "the study of God". Trying to twist and change things to suit some personal beliefs is totally misleading and just plain incorrect.-- KitchM ( talk) 19:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Confucius, Laozi, Krishna, Siddhartha Gautama, Zoroaster, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle never had "degrees" in theology or philosophy. So don't teach their teachings if you think they're unqualified. 199.117.69.8 ( talk) 19:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I have moved the quotations to a subpage here. Some could possibly be integrated into the article, but quotes should not stand alone. See Wikipedia:Quotes for advice. Verbal chat 16:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
User:December12AC, thank you for your recent contribution to the page. I hope you won't think my reaction too brutal, but I have deleted much of it.
You had added:
Theology is the study of religious faith, practice, and experience, especially of a god or gods and how the divine relates to the world of the physical senses. Unlike philosophy which focuses upon speculative thinking to organize values and reality, theology usually attempts to organize values and reality around a particular understanding of a transcendental truth or truths, embodied in a god or gods. In this analysis, theology may be said to be more empirical and philosophy more rational, although both disciplines involve both means of reasoning. Frequently but not always, theology posits a god as an infinite and eternal sentient being who has power, knowledge, and self-originating principles of action. This god usually is considered relevant to human existence and theology is the endeavor to know or understand him or her.
My problems with that material are as follows:
-- mahigton ( talk) 09:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the fully unsourced material Theology beyond affiliation to religious institutions. It did not have one single source corroborating the statements, even though it was tagged for RS since 2008, besides being of dubious nature in content.
If anyone found my edit to be too bold, please leave me a note on my talk page so we can discuss it. Diana LeCrois : 16:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
It might be a thing idea if there could be a stub on the concept of propositional theology, which seems fairly common in modern-day pastoral practice. [2] [3] [4] Another type of sociological theology is the theology of welcome. [5] ADM ( talk) 09:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I see that some have suggested adding a criticism section yet I do not see one in the main article -perhaps it was deleted? Anyhow, without going back to find out if there was one attempted, I will start adding some criticisms of theology by Jewish, Christian, and Muslim thinkers as well as by such philosophers as Thomas Paine, Karl Popper, Walter Kaufmann, and maybe some of the positivists. However, perhaps I am forgetting something but I'm thinking at least a link to Liberation Theology is needed in the article, as it shows some important uses and understandings of the concept. Plus, perhaps some philosopher's philosophies ought to be recast as being closer to theology such as Martin Heidegger, Hegel, and perhaps Robert Adams. Teetotaler 4 January, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.81.197 ( talk) 05:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Like above, I think a criticism section would be an excellent addition and that's a start. However, criticism isn't necessarily the issue here. Constructive criticism is, because most of those people you listed, such as Marx, were more anti-spiritualism, or atheists, in the sense that they opposed the object of theology -- God, not theology itself. Adding atheist quotes, or nontheist/deists, etc., to criticism is more of a criticism towards God himself, not theology (I'm not trying to say you shouldn't add quotes from them, but only ones that are relevant to the discipline of theology, and its practices, and philosophy). I think many of those would be best suited on the God page. It's a good idea to keep in mind that theology, and God, are distinct terms.
Also, when I use the term "God" here, I'm not implying one deity; I'm using it as a generalization for all things that may fall under theology's scope of study. 22:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.184.250 ( talk)
The criticisms are primarily from the more agenda-oriented, militant of atheists, like anti-theists and new atheists (Coyne, Dawkins, Myers etc), who not only readily admit their hostility to theology but also their ignorance of the subject; therefore, to what extent are their criticisms even valid or worthy of consideration? It is like taking serious Ray Comfort's objections to Evolution. Just as Comfort has no education or understanding of Evolution, creating a straw man he can easily attack and debunk, the same goes with these critics of Theology. It's pointless to argue with anyone who equates God to a flying spaghetti monster or theology to “fairyology” for it proves they're either unfamiliar with the best, most sophisticated arguments for God and/or they're not interested in engaging in honest, intellectual discourse or debate; in some cases they may even be considered "trolls." If their criticisms merit mentioning, perhaps their hostility and agenda against theology, and their admitted ignorance of the subject do as well so readers are aware that what they have to say on the subject should maybe be taken with "a grain of salt," just as we're supposed to do with, for example, the Ray Comforts and Discovery Institutes of the world.
Moreover, if you're going to have a section for criticisms, have one for defenses as well; for example, defenses by John Haught, John Lennox, John Polkinghorne, Keith Ward, atheist Michael Ruse, etc.
Some have said the criticism section is warranted because more and more criticisms of theology are coming from science. No, they're not coming from "science" but scientists; science doesn't speak for science, scientists speak for it, and simply because they are scientists doesn't mean they can offer any insight into the validity of theology or God as those are subjects typically outside the scope of their training and understanding. Furthermore, scientists are not omniscient and many of them are not without bias. Some, like Coyne, Dawkins, Myers, use their position to further the religion-science conflict thesis, attack religion and advocate atheism. Take Evolution, for example, many atheists believe it to be, as biologist William Provine does, the "greatest engine of atheism." I suppose this is what we are to believe, that if Evolution is true, then there is no God. However, they're unfamiliar with theologians like St Augustine and Gregory of Nyssa who saw the possibility of life having developed through some evolutionary process; St Augustine actually argued Scripture shouldn't determine facts but facts should determine how we interpret Scripture.
I have started a section wit this title. One of the major themes in Theology is Theology of salvation, but there exist several others. Perhaps we can add them. What do you think? thanks Alan347 ( talk) 21:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
The Bad faith article needs help from available editors, especially on the sectoin for bad faith in theology. HkFnsNGA ( talk) 06:11, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I have a question for every body.
Someone in fixing his bath room appliances with Gold. Pure gold. And He justifies his action by quoting in book of revelation the roads are made up of gold and in the gospels he quoted that the prayer of the lord particularly the one about the coming of his kingdom. The question is what was he missing? — Preceding
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Is it possible to replace / remove Calvin at the top? He is *one* theologian among many. The first to popularize the term that is read by all denominations of Christianity is Augustine. Alternatively, Peter Lombard, who used the term in its modern sense. In any event, having such a narrowly-appealing and idiosyncratic portrait up top seems to discount the vast diversity in Christianity. 72.214.36.170 ( talk) 15:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the Criticism section currently reads:
"Charles Darwin used theology to show that in Darwin's opinion living organisms are not the way an intelligent designer would have made them. Therefore in Darwin's opinion theology supports natural selection. Steven Dilley, a philosopher of science educated at Arizona State University claims the above"
First this doesn't seem to read clearly, it should at least say something like:
"Steven Dilley, a philosopher of science educated at Arizona State University claims Charles Darwin in the "Origin of Species" used theology to show that living organisms are not the way an intelligent designer would have made them."
However looking at the link to that article I'm not even sure that is the claim being made in the paper. It sounds rather as if Darwin was seeking to infer knowledge of God from the theory of evolution - and hence some sort of theology - but it doesn't seem to be as negative as that summary claims.
I'd suggest just removing the paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graceandpeace ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
First of all, someone who is using theology in order to prove something doesn't belong in the "Criticism" section. Secondly, I can't agree with the phrasing ("Steven Dilley claims that Charles Darwin used theology to show that [...] living organisms are not the way an intelligent designer would have made them") : while it is true that Darwin's theory is not the same as Intelligent Design, I don't see why the Creator to whom Darwin refers couldn't be thought of as a "designer" = one who has a "a plan (with more or less detail) for the structure and functions of an artifact, building or system" (according to Wiktionary's definition of the word "design"). I quote from the abstract of S. Dilley's essay: "the essay contends that Darwin utilized positiva theology in order to help justify (and inform) descent with modification and to attack special creation" (this doesn't sound like criticism of theology, but another version of it). MHortulanus ( talk) 23:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Dawkins is definitely a vocal critic, but his ignorance of theology is so complete that the criticism makes little sense, and its inclusion on the page thus seems misleading (particularly among criticisms from those who understand the subject). The large cross-over between theology and history/language studies/philosophy, coupled with the presence of atheist theologians, immediately rob his beliefs of any grounding in reality. It is like including Bill Maher in the criticism section of Prozac. Yes there are valid criticisms, but it's not going to come from people who know nothing on the subject. Wikiditm ( talk) 19:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
See following: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_December_20#Category:Theologians. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Explain grace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.213.32.59 ( talk) 22:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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Rather, it argues, citing from Chattopadhyay:
Before claimimg that "Hindu theology" has been established, it would be necessary to make clear what "Hindu theology" would be. Then we can ask how it would be the same, or different from Christian theology, especially with regard to the cultural dominance of the west and the need to 'protect' Indian culture against this dominance. I'm sure there are better sources for this. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:07, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
PS: take only these two studies, which raise concerns about the difference between philosophy and theology, and the question why Hindu religious and apologetic thought is labeled as philosophy, and not as theology:
Rambachan, of course, is a highly relevant author in studies on Indian religious thought. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
There is a distinct lack of clarity on the purpose of the criticism section, as it currently reads like a "Worst Of" list from the Criticism of Religion page. The criticism via Philosophers section should instead be a look at the relationship between the two schools (whereby Philosophy was once the 'handmaiden' of Theology) and although throughout history non-religious Philosophy has existed (Socrates as the greatest example, although the religion Socrates spoke out against fails to fit the criteria of theology covered in this article) it was with the 'age of reason' - aka. the Enlightenment/modern period that Philosophy came into its own, and reason was elevated about that of faith. Criticism of theology therefore is often criticism of Philosophy/reasons being shackled to Theology. [1] [2] Not a criticism of theology proper. -Granted, this is just one way this paragraph can read, but at the moment it is just a list of Philosophers who criticised theology and/or religion. &Why would it ever be useful to have such long quotes about each philosopher? It is bizarre. None of the theologians mentioned in the article were given such space, it completely unbalances the article. Also, there is confusion over 'criticism of theology' (theology being what we just spent this whole article defining) and 'criticism of religion' which is anyone who dislikes religious hegemony. See: the inclusion of Mark Twain. Noxiyu ( talk) 23:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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Should this article say that Theology was at one time considered the highest of the sciences? This is what the one-volume Macmillan Encyclopedia claimed. Vorbee ( talk) 20:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Near the beginning of this article we read that theology has turned into a secular field. Is this confusing theology with secular religious studies? Vorbee ( talk) 18:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article says that Theology is the study of the nature of the Divine and "more broadly of religious belief". Would it not be better to Theology is the study of the nature of God, as the study of religious belief could be construed as a branch of the psychology of religion? Vorbee ( talk) 07:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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I propose: (a) To remove the 'Christianity' template (b) To move the material on divisions of theology, which is very largely exclusively Christian material, to the 'Christian theology' page (c) To move the material on the controversy surrounding the emergence of Christian theology to the 'History of theology' page This page should, presumably, be even-handedly about all the contemporary uses of the word 'theology', which is no longer confined to Christianity; it has to give the Christian history of the term, but should not then imply that 'theology' is now synonymous to 'Christian theology'.
Any objections? -- mahigton 11:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Can more detail be added to Women as theological figures (see comments on talk page) - including an introduction.
Religion and politics also needs development - some of the areas could be moved to separate pages (of the "X and politics" format), leaving this as the hub page, and for discussions on the topic in general.
Both could be linked from this page.
I have reached the limits of my theological knowledge with both fields.
Jackiespeel 30 January 2007 (this library terminal won't let me sign in)
Given that there are pages elsewhere for Christian theology etc, and that this article is now clearly focused on (a) the history of use of the word 'theology' and (b) aspects of its contemporary usage that are relevant to more than one religious tradition, am I right in thinking that links on this page should not be to resources for Christian theology (or any other particular theology) but to
Is that fair? -- mahigton 22:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we maybe think about archiving this talk page? -- Selket Talk 07:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Both of these terms redirect here, however only theologian is mentioned in the article text. Wiktionary has different definitions for these terms, albeit not very clearly delineated ( wikt:theologian wikt:theologist). Perhaps this article should contain a brief discussion and clarification of these terms with respect to one another? __ meco 09:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The section discussing theology and the academy claims its role is "uniquely" problematic, because of how for example it tries to balance academic discourse with within-a-faith viewpoint and practical involvement. This might be problematic, granted, but it isn't uniquely so; other areas of academia, such as Marxist theory and feminist theory, share similar issues with fitting an activist, practically involved viewpoint into academia. -- Delirium 10:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
More quotations in favour of theology and/or theologians can be found here [1]. This site supports intelligent design. I'll leave it to your judgement. -- 85.73.241.86 06:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only one who thinks the cartoon at the bottom of the page lampooning theology is completely irrelevant and inappropriate? This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. If someone was looking for information on the subject, how would that cartoon help anyone? It just seems ill-advised and juvenile. Emailnuevo ( talk) 17:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)emailnuevo
Obviously not pertinent to a serious discussion of theology. Christian Left ( talk) 14:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
We need some criticism of the study in most American universities. It is too Christian biased. 65.102.200.170 ( talk) 19:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
There needs to be a Criticism section. Whether you agree or disagree, there is an obvious controversy here, since there's a growing section of the scientific community that suggests "Theology" isn't a valid subject at all, or they at least group it together with pseudoscience. Again, I'm not voicing my opinion, I'm simply stating the facts and trying to make this Wikipedia entry reflect the whole picture. For instance, in the Parapsychology wiki page, there is a section for Criticism. I see no reason why this page should not have a similar section. I'm not familiar with wiki practices, but I'd like to hear some argument for why we should or shouldn't have a Criticism section. 68.81.97.59 ( talk) 21:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Similarly, this article is missing something on Walter Benjamin's attempts at a secular theology. Whilst these are not mainstream, they are very informative on the concept in general. I think a brief description of them would fit nicely in a criticism section.
NB a criticism section should not primarily include criticisms of a particular theology or beliefs. Any such criticisms must have as their thrust the criticism of theology as a study. For example, one might say that modern theology has become overly concerned with the topic of God, rather than other theological ideas such as Redemption, and remembrance. A criticism section may help to differentiate Theology from Philosophy and religion, and it would be good to address the criticism of theology as pseudoscience, similar to the Critiques section on the Science page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#Critiques —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.77.183 ( talk) 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
A critique, or criticism section similar to the Science one, as suggested, would be an invaluable addition. However, I also think the critiques should come from philosophers, philosophers of theology, or theologians (preferably credible ones) i.e. At least from sources with an established history, or knowledge in the study. For example, as assumed above; the scientific community are not theologians, nor are they philosophers of theology unless their science is theology, which would follow that they are indeed theologians. In the critique section, the distinction of science, as a body of knowledge, and science, as referring to the scientific method of investigation, should be made; a link to the Science page, where it explains this distinction in the introduction paragraph should be cited as well. 09:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.184.250 ( talk)
Find enough reliable sources, by reliable I mean not biased or shared by any narrow minded individual and you got yourself a deal. Let's remember this isn't your play ground to toy with it.-- 209.80.246.3 ( talk) 19:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by the following existentialist assertions 'biased' and 'narrow minded' (rather childish choice of wording) -- but as long as the content conforms to Wiki policy, it's fair game. 209.105.184.113 ( talk) 10:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
"Even when it is distinguished from these other disciplines, however, some hold that the very idea of an academic discipline called theology, housed in institutions like Universities, is an inherently secular, Western notion.[citation needed][original research?] Noting that 'reasoned discourse about religion/God' is an idea with a very particular intellectual pedigree, with at least some roots in Graeco-Roman intellectual culture, they[who?] argue that this idea actually brings with it deep assumptions which we can now see to be related to ideas underlying 'secularism': i.e., the whole idea of reasoned discourse about God/religion suggests the possibility of a common intellectual framework or set of tools for investigating, comparing and evaluating traditions - an idea with a strong affinity for a 'secular' world view in which religions are seen as particular choices, set within an overarching religiously neutral public sphere. They argue that even those who pursue this discourse as a way of deepening their commitment to and expertise in their own tradition, perhaps even so as to become promoters and propagators of it, often do so in a way which underlines this same 'secular' atmosphere - by assuming the communicability of their religious views (as explored and explained by theological discourse) within a neutral intellectual market-place."
Now I ask, why is there an entire paragraph based on a definition of theology held only by Wikipedia? Since when is theology known as 'reasoned discourse about religion/God'? Why include an entire paragraph which is not only complete, uncited speculation, but bases its entire argument on a random definition? 64.252.160.124 ( talk) 02:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This currently starts with a false statement: "Theology is the study of religion from a religious perspective." It merits deletion. Further statements are a little better. Theology is the study of God: Religious studies is the study of human religions. Rlsheehan ( talk) 01:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
My dictionary and about 99% of them disagree. Guess who wins?-- 209.80.246.3 ( talk) 19:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
The intro now (April 2012) states: "Theology is the systematic and rational study of religion..." Rational? As in, according to the principles of logic and reason? Sorry, but religion and religious studies centre largely on faith. Logic and reason are, necessarily, suspended when dealing with the central tenets of religions (at least, those based on untestable, unprovable, hypothetical existence of an all-powerful and infallible supernatural beings). Remove "rational" from the sentence and it will be accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.185.85 ( talk) 09:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
The introduction and the etymology sections do not agree with standard definitions or with Wikipedia itself. (See -ology) The basic definition is and will always be that theology comes from the Greek and is divided into two parts: theos and ology. These mean "the study of God". Trying to twist and change things to suit some personal beliefs is totally misleading and just plain incorrect.-- KitchM ( talk) 19:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Confucius, Laozi, Krishna, Siddhartha Gautama, Zoroaster, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle never had "degrees" in theology or philosophy. So don't teach their teachings if you think they're unqualified. 199.117.69.8 ( talk) 19:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I have moved the quotations to a subpage here. Some could possibly be integrated into the article, but quotes should not stand alone. See Wikipedia:Quotes for advice. Verbal chat 16:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
User:December12AC, thank you for your recent contribution to the page. I hope you won't think my reaction too brutal, but I have deleted much of it.
You had added:
Theology is the study of religious faith, practice, and experience, especially of a god or gods and how the divine relates to the world of the physical senses. Unlike philosophy which focuses upon speculative thinking to organize values and reality, theology usually attempts to organize values and reality around a particular understanding of a transcendental truth or truths, embodied in a god or gods. In this analysis, theology may be said to be more empirical and philosophy more rational, although both disciplines involve both means of reasoning. Frequently but not always, theology posits a god as an infinite and eternal sentient being who has power, knowledge, and self-originating principles of action. This god usually is considered relevant to human existence and theology is the endeavor to know or understand him or her.
My problems with that material are as follows:
-- mahigton ( talk) 09:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the fully unsourced material Theology beyond affiliation to religious institutions. It did not have one single source corroborating the statements, even though it was tagged for RS since 2008, besides being of dubious nature in content.
If anyone found my edit to be too bold, please leave me a note on my talk page so we can discuss it. Diana LeCrois : 16:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
It might be a thing idea if there could be a stub on the concept of propositional theology, which seems fairly common in modern-day pastoral practice. [2] [3] [4] Another type of sociological theology is the theology of welcome. [5] ADM ( talk) 09:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I see that some have suggested adding a criticism section yet I do not see one in the main article -perhaps it was deleted? Anyhow, without going back to find out if there was one attempted, I will start adding some criticisms of theology by Jewish, Christian, and Muslim thinkers as well as by such philosophers as Thomas Paine, Karl Popper, Walter Kaufmann, and maybe some of the positivists. However, perhaps I am forgetting something but I'm thinking at least a link to Liberation Theology is needed in the article, as it shows some important uses and understandings of the concept. Plus, perhaps some philosopher's philosophies ought to be recast as being closer to theology such as Martin Heidegger, Hegel, and perhaps Robert Adams. Teetotaler 4 January, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.81.197 ( talk) 05:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Like above, I think a criticism section would be an excellent addition and that's a start. However, criticism isn't necessarily the issue here. Constructive criticism is, because most of those people you listed, such as Marx, were more anti-spiritualism, or atheists, in the sense that they opposed the object of theology -- God, not theology itself. Adding atheist quotes, or nontheist/deists, etc., to criticism is more of a criticism towards God himself, not theology (I'm not trying to say you shouldn't add quotes from them, but only ones that are relevant to the discipline of theology, and its practices, and philosophy). I think many of those would be best suited on the God page. It's a good idea to keep in mind that theology, and God, are distinct terms.
Also, when I use the term "God" here, I'm not implying one deity; I'm using it as a generalization for all things that may fall under theology's scope of study. 22:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.105.184.250 ( talk)
The criticisms are primarily from the more agenda-oriented, militant of atheists, like anti-theists and new atheists (Coyne, Dawkins, Myers etc), who not only readily admit their hostility to theology but also their ignorance of the subject; therefore, to what extent are their criticisms even valid or worthy of consideration? It is like taking serious Ray Comfort's objections to Evolution. Just as Comfort has no education or understanding of Evolution, creating a straw man he can easily attack and debunk, the same goes with these critics of Theology. It's pointless to argue with anyone who equates God to a flying spaghetti monster or theology to “fairyology” for it proves they're either unfamiliar with the best, most sophisticated arguments for God and/or they're not interested in engaging in honest, intellectual discourse or debate; in some cases they may even be considered "trolls." If their criticisms merit mentioning, perhaps their hostility and agenda against theology, and their admitted ignorance of the subject do as well so readers are aware that what they have to say on the subject should maybe be taken with "a grain of salt," just as we're supposed to do with, for example, the Ray Comforts and Discovery Institutes of the world.
Moreover, if you're going to have a section for criticisms, have one for defenses as well; for example, defenses by John Haught, John Lennox, John Polkinghorne, Keith Ward, atheist Michael Ruse, etc.
Some have said the criticism section is warranted because more and more criticisms of theology are coming from science. No, they're not coming from "science" but scientists; science doesn't speak for science, scientists speak for it, and simply because they are scientists doesn't mean they can offer any insight into the validity of theology or God as those are subjects typically outside the scope of their training and understanding. Furthermore, scientists are not omniscient and many of them are not without bias. Some, like Coyne, Dawkins, Myers, use their position to further the religion-science conflict thesis, attack religion and advocate atheism. Take Evolution, for example, many atheists believe it to be, as biologist William Provine does, the "greatest engine of atheism." I suppose this is what we are to believe, that if Evolution is true, then there is no God. However, they're unfamiliar with theologians like St Augustine and Gregory of Nyssa who saw the possibility of life having developed through some evolutionary process; St Augustine actually argued Scripture shouldn't determine facts but facts should determine how we interpret Scripture.
I have started a section wit this title. One of the major themes in Theology is Theology of salvation, but there exist several others. Perhaps we can add them. What do you think? thanks Alan347 ( talk) 21:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
The Bad faith article needs help from available editors, especially on the sectoin for bad faith in theology. HkFnsNGA ( talk) 06:11, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I have a question for every body.
Someone in fixing his bath room appliances with Gold. Pure gold. And He justifies his action by quoting in book of revelation the roads are made up of gold and in the gospels he quoted that the prayer of the lord particularly the one about the coming of his kingdom. The question is what was he missing? — Preceding
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Is it possible to replace / remove Calvin at the top? He is *one* theologian among many. The first to popularize the term that is read by all denominations of Christianity is Augustine. Alternatively, Peter Lombard, who used the term in its modern sense. In any event, having such a narrowly-appealing and idiosyncratic portrait up top seems to discount the vast diversity in Christianity. 72.214.36.170 ( talk) 15:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the Criticism section currently reads:
"Charles Darwin used theology to show that in Darwin's opinion living organisms are not the way an intelligent designer would have made them. Therefore in Darwin's opinion theology supports natural selection. Steven Dilley, a philosopher of science educated at Arizona State University claims the above"
First this doesn't seem to read clearly, it should at least say something like:
"Steven Dilley, a philosopher of science educated at Arizona State University claims Charles Darwin in the "Origin of Species" used theology to show that living organisms are not the way an intelligent designer would have made them."
However looking at the link to that article I'm not even sure that is the claim being made in the paper. It sounds rather as if Darwin was seeking to infer knowledge of God from the theory of evolution - and hence some sort of theology - but it doesn't seem to be as negative as that summary claims.
I'd suggest just removing the paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graceandpeace ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
First of all, someone who is using theology in order to prove something doesn't belong in the "Criticism" section. Secondly, I can't agree with the phrasing ("Steven Dilley claims that Charles Darwin used theology to show that [...] living organisms are not the way an intelligent designer would have made them") : while it is true that Darwin's theory is not the same as Intelligent Design, I don't see why the Creator to whom Darwin refers couldn't be thought of as a "designer" = one who has a "a plan (with more or less detail) for the structure and functions of an artifact, building or system" (according to Wiktionary's definition of the word "design"). I quote from the abstract of S. Dilley's essay: "the essay contends that Darwin utilized positiva theology in order to help justify (and inform) descent with modification and to attack special creation" (this doesn't sound like criticism of theology, but another version of it). MHortulanus ( talk) 23:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Dawkins is definitely a vocal critic, but his ignorance of theology is so complete that the criticism makes little sense, and its inclusion on the page thus seems misleading (particularly among criticisms from those who understand the subject). The large cross-over between theology and history/language studies/philosophy, coupled with the presence of atheist theologians, immediately rob his beliefs of any grounding in reality. It is like including Bill Maher in the criticism section of Prozac. Yes there are valid criticisms, but it's not going to come from people who know nothing on the subject. Wikiditm ( talk) 19:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
See following: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_December_20#Category:Theologians. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Rather, it argues, citing from Chattopadhyay:
Before claimimg that "Hindu theology" has been established, it would be necessary to make clear what "Hindu theology" would be. Then we can ask how it would be the same, or different from Christian theology, especially with regard to the cultural dominance of the west and the need to 'protect' Indian culture against this dominance. I'm sure there are better sources for this. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:07, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
PS: take only these two studies, which raise concerns about the difference between philosophy and theology, and the question why Hindu religious and apologetic thought is labeled as philosophy, and not as theology:
Rambachan, of course, is a highly relevant author in studies on Indian religious thought. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
There is a distinct lack of clarity on the purpose of the criticism section, as it currently reads like a "Worst Of" list from the Criticism of Religion page. The criticism via Philosophers section should instead be a look at the relationship between the two schools (whereby Philosophy was once the 'handmaiden' of Theology) and although throughout history non-religious Philosophy has existed (Socrates as the greatest example, although the religion Socrates spoke out against fails to fit the criteria of theology covered in this article) it was with the 'age of reason' - aka. the Enlightenment/modern period that Philosophy came into its own, and reason was elevated about that of faith. Criticism of theology therefore is often criticism of Philosophy/reasons being shackled to Theology. [1] [2] Not a criticism of theology proper. -Granted, this is just one way this paragraph can read, but at the moment it is just a list of Philosophers who criticised theology and/or religion. &Why would it ever be useful to have such long quotes about each philosopher? It is bizarre. None of the theologians mentioned in the article were given such space, it completely unbalances the article. Also, there is confusion over 'criticism of theology' (theology being what we just spent this whole article defining) and 'criticism of religion' which is anyone who dislikes religious hegemony. See: the inclusion of Mark Twain. Noxiyu ( talk) 23:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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Should this article say that Theology was at one time considered the highest of the sciences? This is what the one-volume Macmillan Encyclopedia claimed. Vorbee ( talk) 20:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Near the beginning of this article we read that theology has turned into a secular field. Is this confusing theology with secular religious studies? Vorbee ( talk) 18:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article says that Theology is the study of the nature of the Divine and "more broadly of religious belief". Would it not be better to Theology is the study of the nature of God, as the study of religious belief could be construed as a branch of the psychology of religion? Vorbee ( talk) 07:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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