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This article currently has nine external links; only the two from the University of Nebraska represent quality textual resources and they are quite limited extracts. A Gutenberg Project link appears, but these works are unpaginated and so cannot be cited. For many decades The Slave Power [ [1]] represented the basic edition of Parker writings. For this reason, it will be useful to revert the primary source deletion on 21 June 2007 by User:Requestion.-- Jlockard 06:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
The use of unpaginated and unreferenced text resources, too common in Wikipedia article links, severely limits their usefulness. This means that they cannot be cited by users. Seven of the nine links are not citable primary text resources and/or do not meet a standard of verifibility. That is not well-referenced. Due care should be taken in selection of links providing text resources. The external link proposed has one introductory paragraph (by Jlockard) and three (XHTML, PDF, Word) versions of Parker's Slave Power for reader convenience.-- Jlockard 00:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone read Dean Grodzin's 2002 bio? I added it to Further Reading. It's won several prizes and since its appearance has been considered the standard work on early Parker.
Perhaps there are some watchers out there who'd like to improve this already solid page by referencing this work? I'll revisit and add what I'm able to, as I'm able. Ath271 ( talk) 06:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Even given the accolades for the book, why is Grodzins the only source in Further Reading whose listing reads like a free advertisement (complete with purchase link and blurb)? I'm not experienced enough to say if there's a policy violation in that, but it seems questionable to me Gevzgno ( talk) 14:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Currently our article is structured so:
Biography
Social Criticism and Beliefs
Legacy and Honors
This is a good starting point, but it separates Parker’s career from his beliefs; puts his death before his developing theology/practice; has no clear place for marriage and family; and conflates his legacy with honors (surely there is some criticism regarding his legacy?).
We also have some sequencing and citation issues, e.g. pulpits were closed to him in Boston after not before his 1841 sermon (which is titled “Transient and Permanent” not “Permanent and Transient” as we now have it); he studied with Convers Francis before divinity school not during; and so on.
I’ve worked in depth with Grodzins and
rjensen’s related RS to address these issues and based on this, propose restructuring the article as follows:
Early Life
College and Divinity School, 1830-1836 [not “Education,” since we cover early education in the first section]
Early Family and Career, 1836-1843
Mature Family and Career, 1843-1859
Death
Legacy
Not a radical shift, but hopefully adds some detail and depth. But I realize it might be hard to discuss periodization and other details until there’s more new material to work with. That's all waiting in the wings. So unless someone sees a better way of structuring this at the moment, I’ll post it in a day or two. Ath271 ( talk) 03:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
So sorry, I realized just at the end of making changes that I hadn't tagged edits with a description in the revision history. I kept much from the original article but revised/expanded/improved sourcing. All open to discussion re: content and sourcing, of course.
Ideas for improvement:
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This article currently has nine external links; only the two from the University of Nebraska represent quality textual resources and they are quite limited extracts. A Gutenberg Project link appears, but these works are unpaginated and so cannot be cited. For many decades The Slave Power [ [1]] represented the basic edition of Parker writings. For this reason, it will be useful to revert the primary source deletion on 21 June 2007 by User:Requestion.-- Jlockard 06:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
The use of unpaginated and unreferenced text resources, too common in Wikipedia article links, severely limits their usefulness. This means that they cannot be cited by users. Seven of the nine links are not citable primary text resources and/or do not meet a standard of verifibility. That is not well-referenced. Due care should be taken in selection of links providing text resources. The external link proposed has one introductory paragraph (by Jlockard) and three (XHTML, PDF, Word) versions of Parker's Slave Power for reader convenience.-- Jlockard 00:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone read Dean Grodzin's 2002 bio? I added it to Further Reading. It's won several prizes and since its appearance has been considered the standard work on early Parker.
Perhaps there are some watchers out there who'd like to improve this already solid page by referencing this work? I'll revisit and add what I'm able to, as I'm able. Ath271 ( talk) 06:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Even given the accolades for the book, why is Grodzins the only source in Further Reading whose listing reads like a free advertisement (complete with purchase link and blurb)? I'm not experienced enough to say if there's a policy violation in that, but it seems questionable to me Gevzgno ( talk) 14:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Currently our article is structured so:
Biography
Social Criticism and Beliefs
Legacy and Honors
This is a good starting point, but it separates Parker’s career from his beliefs; puts his death before his developing theology/practice; has no clear place for marriage and family; and conflates his legacy with honors (surely there is some criticism regarding his legacy?).
We also have some sequencing and citation issues, e.g. pulpits were closed to him in Boston after not before his 1841 sermon (which is titled “Transient and Permanent” not “Permanent and Transient” as we now have it); he studied with Convers Francis before divinity school not during; and so on.
I’ve worked in depth with Grodzins and
rjensen’s related RS to address these issues and based on this, propose restructuring the article as follows:
Early Life
College and Divinity School, 1830-1836 [not “Education,” since we cover early education in the first section]
Early Family and Career, 1836-1843
Mature Family and Career, 1843-1859
Death
Legacy
Not a radical shift, but hopefully adds some detail and depth. But I realize it might be hard to discuss periodization and other details until there’s more new material to work with. That's all waiting in the wings. So unless someone sees a better way of structuring this at the moment, I’ll post it in a day or two. Ath271 ( talk) 03:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
So sorry, I realized just at the end of making changes that I hadn't tagged edits with a description in the revision history. I kept much from the original article but revised/expanded/improved sourcing. All open to discussion re: content and sourcing, of course.
Ideas for improvement:
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