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The Twelve Days of Christmas (song)#Origins cites https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/twelve-days-christmas/
In fact, one appears to plagiarize the other, but which came first? My guess is snopes.
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Are there any other instances of plagiarism in the article?
71.121.143.172 ( talk) 20:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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There is absolutely no documentation or supporting evidence for [the claim that the song is a secret Catholic catechism] whatsoever, other than mere repetition of the claim itself. The claim appears to date only to the 1990s, marking it as likely an invention of modern day speculation rather than historical fact.
When I started to edit this article I wanted to get to the sources for the claims - the article at that time only labeled them as "unlikely". I pulled a paper copy of McKellar's article from a research library to get the quotes that appear here. I also located the first appearance of the Stockert and Gilhooley claims - to give specific references to "the 1990's" as the point of origin. I have looked for other pre-1982 references and I think these three are all there is, speculation and assertions without evidence or even plausibility. Nevertheless, it's repeated every year as originating in 1558. I write this to let editors know this was not lifted from other sources. They are downstream from this article. patsw ( talk) 22:29, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
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The Twelve Days of Christmas (song)#Origins cites https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/twelve-days-christmas/
In fact, one appears to plagiarize the other, but which came first? My guess is snopes.
Copied and pasted from Wikipedia:
Copied and pasted from Snopes:
Side by side comparison in Wikipedia sandbox edit history
Should Wikipedia rephrase, or merely reformat to show the line is a quotation, not just a citation?
Are there any other instances of plagiarism in the article?
71.121.143.172 ( talk) 20:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
References
There is absolutely no documentation or supporting evidence for [the claim that the song is a secret Catholic catechism] whatsoever, other than mere repetition of the claim itself. The claim appears to date only to the 1990s, marking it as likely an invention of modern day speculation rather than historical fact.
When I started to edit this article I wanted to get to the sources for the claims - the article at that time only labeled them as "unlikely". I pulled a paper copy of McKellar's article from a research library to get the quotes that appear here. I also located the first appearance of the Stockert and Gilhooley claims - to give specific references to "the 1990's" as the point of origin. I have looked for other pre-1982 references and I think these three are all there is, speculation and assertions without evidence or even plausibility. Nevertheless, it's repeated every year as originating in 1558. I write this to let editors know this was not lifted from other sources. They are downstream from this article. patsw ( talk) 22:29, 1 January 2020 (UTC)