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Hello everyone. This note is to let people know that the plot summary (any movie plot summary) needs to be around 500 to a maximum of 700 words in length. Please be careful about adding prose to the plot summary as you can easily expand it past the maximum length. If you feel crucial items have been omitted from the summary, please try rewriting a paragraph rather than just inserting text here and there; words add up really fast! Also be careful not to do too much of your own interpreting of what is going on in the movie, as that can be subjective, and can count as POV. Invertzoo ( talk) 20:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that it is a natural-enough response to suggest that TTM is such an excellent and complex movie that it definitely requires a much longer than average plot summary. However I believe that almost everyone feels that way about whatever movie is their individual favorite, and as a result, keeping movie plot summaries to a reasonable length is apparently a perennial problem here on Wikipedia.
I also wanted to point out that a plot summary does not necessarily have to be a blow-by-blow account of the scenes in the movie. I intend in September or October to try to draft a plot summary that treats the overall story rather than the sequence of scenes.
Best, Invertzoo ( talk) 01:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes. It's a summary, not a blow by blow account of what has happened in each scene. The idea of sacrifice etc is a theme and it should be treated in a different section. - SchroCat ( ^ • @) 14:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
From the last edit by Heron - and judging from the history of editing of the "Plot" well before I arrived on the scene - I am not alone in thinking that the detail of Holly missing his flight is not incidental or "plot bloat". The point is this is the final throw of a man who has apparently lost everything else, gambling on gaining something by sacrificing his flight. Can we just agree to leave these few words in, given that I'm evidently not alone in thinking this quite crucial. Alfietucker ( talk) 23:38, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The article states that are at least two versions of the film, differing at least by which actor performed the voice over.
According to IMDB, the two versions are described as follows:
The UK version features introductory voice-over by the director Carol Reed; in the US version Joseph Cotten provides the voice-over, as his character Holly Martins. The UK version runs 104 minutes, versus the US version at 93 minutes, which was cut by producer David O. Selznick to give the film a tighter pace. Both versions have been released on video in the U.S., but as of today the most common is the longer British cut. A video comparison between the narrations appears on the U.S. Criterion Collection DVD.
IMDB also explains the two different narrations as follows:
When the film was initially distributed in America, David O. Selznick replaced the narration at the beginning (a necessity to explain the very unusual status of Vienna in the aftermath of World War II, when the film was set), originally done by Carol Reed himself, with a narration read by Joseph Cotten, in character as Holly Martins. Nearly eleven minutes of film was cut out in Selznick's version, including all references in the original cut to Cotten's Holly Martins being an implied alcoholic and anything else that portrayed him as a less than heroic figure.
I don't think of IMDB as a valid source (wikipedia might consider it otherwise), because there are no citations offered. I offer the information above only to make it easier on others who wondered why there are these different versions of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.19.240 ( talk) 10:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
And you know.. this is very strange, i always thought it was Trevor Howard's voice; made sense to me that Major Calloway would be telling this tale.. 'oh, I was going to tell you, wait..., I was going to tell you about Holly Martins...' 2602:304:CDAF:A3D0:5C2:339D:966C:338B ( talk) 19:44, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
"Anton Karas wrote and performed the score, which used only the zither ...". NOT! When Valli and Cotten are in the bar, a strolling violinist plays. And in a later scene in a bar, with Cotten by himself, jazz music is heard for 30 seconds. 66.81.249.5 ( talk) 21:01, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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I saw this film on TV today in which there was no zither music, and the first appearance of Lime was anticipated by showing his disembodied face earlier on. What has happened? Seadowns ( talk) 22:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
See Martin Miller (actor) for his role as head waiter. Spicemix ( talk) 22:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hello everyone. This note is to let people know that the plot summary (any movie plot summary) needs to be around 500 to a maximum of 700 words in length. Please be careful about adding prose to the plot summary as you can easily expand it past the maximum length. If you feel crucial items have been omitted from the summary, please try rewriting a paragraph rather than just inserting text here and there; words add up really fast! Also be careful not to do too much of your own interpreting of what is going on in the movie, as that can be subjective, and can count as POV. Invertzoo ( talk) 20:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that it is a natural-enough response to suggest that TTM is such an excellent and complex movie that it definitely requires a much longer than average plot summary. However I believe that almost everyone feels that way about whatever movie is their individual favorite, and as a result, keeping movie plot summaries to a reasonable length is apparently a perennial problem here on Wikipedia.
I also wanted to point out that a plot summary does not necessarily have to be a blow-by-blow account of the scenes in the movie. I intend in September or October to try to draft a plot summary that treats the overall story rather than the sequence of scenes.
Best, Invertzoo ( talk) 01:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes. It's a summary, not a blow by blow account of what has happened in each scene. The idea of sacrifice etc is a theme and it should be treated in a different section. - SchroCat ( ^ • @) 14:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
From the last edit by Heron - and judging from the history of editing of the "Plot" well before I arrived on the scene - I am not alone in thinking that the detail of Holly missing his flight is not incidental or "plot bloat". The point is this is the final throw of a man who has apparently lost everything else, gambling on gaining something by sacrificing his flight. Can we just agree to leave these few words in, given that I'm evidently not alone in thinking this quite crucial. Alfietucker ( talk) 23:38, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The article states that are at least two versions of the film, differing at least by which actor performed the voice over.
According to IMDB, the two versions are described as follows:
The UK version features introductory voice-over by the director Carol Reed; in the US version Joseph Cotten provides the voice-over, as his character Holly Martins. The UK version runs 104 minutes, versus the US version at 93 minutes, which was cut by producer David O. Selznick to give the film a tighter pace. Both versions have been released on video in the U.S., but as of today the most common is the longer British cut. A video comparison between the narrations appears on the U.S. Criterion Collection DVD.
IMDB also explains the two different narrations as follows:
When the film was initially distributed in America, David O. Selznick replaced the narration at the beginning (a necessity to explain the very unusual status of Vienna in the aftermath of World War II, when the film was set), originally done by Carol Reed himself, with a narration read by Joseph Cotten, in character as Holly Martins. Nearly eleven minutes of film was cut out in Selznick's version, including all references in the original cut to Cotten's Holly Martins being an implied alcoholic and anything else that portrayed him as a less than heroic figure.
I don't think of IMDB as a valid source (wikipedia might consider it otherwise), because there are no citations offered. I offer the information above only to make it easier on others who wondered why there are these different versions of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.19.240 ( talk) 10:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
And you know.. this is very strange, i always thought it was Trevor Howard's voice; made sense to me that Major Calloway would be telling this tale.. 'oh, I was going to tell you, wait..., I was going to tell you about Holly Martins...' 2602:304:CDAF:A3D0:5C2:339D:966C:338B ( talk) 19:44, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
"Anton Karas wrote and performed the score, which used only the zither ...". NOT! When Valli and Cotten are in the bar, a strolling violinist plays. And in a later scene in a bar, with Cotten by himself, jazz music is heard for 30 seconds. 66.81.249.5 ( talk) 21:01, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 05:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I saw this film on TV today in which there was no zither music, and the first appearance of Lime was anticipated by showing his disembodied face earlier on. What has happened? Seadowns ( talk) 22:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
See Martin Miller (actor) for his role as head waiter. Spicemix ( talk) 22:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)