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I initially thought that this was when the events depicted take place. But repeated viewings through the years the years have brought up a few other ideas.
I know that there are valid arguments to be made against this, especially the events of the sequel "Father Christmas" (but this didn't come along until 1987), and it is not important in the grand scheme of things. I just wanted to note them here to justify my addition to this article. MarnetteD | Talk 03:59, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
According to the synopsis on the official website, the boy's name is James. I didn't want to mess up anyone's work in case they didn't agree so I'll just leave it for someone else to update.-- Thetriangleguy 21:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I know this isn't really the place to mention it, but after Bowie makes his speech and it enters animation, we see an owl fly over the screen. Much the same as in Labyrinth where the same actor/singer becomes an owl...just a random thought. DarkMithras — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.246.129 ( talk) 18:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
This page says the book was released in 1980. The article on Raymond Briggs says 1978. Which is correct? Billy H 18:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
The feature itself might be just 23 minutes, plus one of three intros. The intro situation is very confusing -- it may be hard to determine which intro is included with various versions. And a particular version may not really include the intro it says it does! 69.87.193.151 02:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
"...the blame lies with Sony Home Video, not Amazon. The DVD box has "with a special introduction by David Bowie" clearly marked on the back, even though the intro is nowhere to be found... it's Sony that has screwed up this time around."
"... over the years, three introductions to The Snowman have been made - the original with Raymond Briggs himself walking through a field that morphs into the animation, the David Bowie introduction that was made for American audiences who were believed to need a celebrity (and which many people find fake and dislike), and a 20th anniversary animated intro using the 'Father Christmas' character from another Raymond Briggs book/movie. Many people... feel the original Raymond Briggs introduction to be the best and most genuine. It has never been released on DVD in the UK. ... It's personal taste - everyone seems to prefer the intro they saw on first watching The Snowman."
The 1982/1993 Columbia TriStar NTSC VHS has a very short live-action intro with voice-over narration -- these may be Briggs, but there don't seem to be any credits telling us for sure. The tape is labelled 26 min; the sleeve is labelled 29 min. ISBN 0-7912-0007-8 UPC 1157501413 69.87.194.91 16:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This DVD has no "extras". The version of The Snowman seems to be entirely the original VHS - same RB in the field intro, same child voice singing the main song, exact same credits with no credit to narrator or singer. I am starting to doubt that there really is any version of the video that uses an alternate Aled Jones singing, in place of Peter Auty. The video of Father Christmas seems to mostly be from the Holiday book, a little from the Father Christmas book, and overlaps with The Snowman by repeating scenes of partying at the North Pole, including the boy (James). 69.87.203.130 20:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This DVD has no "extras". The version of The Snowman seems to be entirely the original VHS - same RB in the field intro, same child voice singing the main song... - 69.87.203.23 ( talk) 00:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The original soundtrack singer was Peter Auty. Aled Jones was more popular on the radio, soon after the original release. Later re-releases of the film appear to substitute Aled Jones. Is this really true? Is Peter Auty being credited, but not actually included? 69.87.193.97 20:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
The 1982/1993 NTSC VHS has no credits on the tape or the sleeve for the singer! Does any version explicitly credit the singer, anywhere? 69.87.194.91 16:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's a myth that Aled Jones' version was ever used. Why would they bother changing it? Especially as the myth seems to pertain to late 80s/early 90s releases, by which time there would have been no cachet in having Aled Jones on the soundtrack anyway. In 1985 as a cash-in, there may have been some point to it, but later? Nah. - 88.110.217.242 14:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The book has a simpler plot than the movie. In the book, there is no motorcycle ride, and they only fly to the coast; there is no cruise ship, and no trip to the North Pole, no Father Christmas etc. The plot description in the article is for the film version. In the book, the boy has no name, but in the film the tag on the present lets us know he is James. The book is a cartoon-style series of wordless drawings, in colored pencil or crayon. The film is a similar style, but with a very short live-action intro with voice-over narration. The song that accompanies the flying has words. — 16:29, 30 December 2006 69.87.194.91
Does anybody know anything about a release of the film that has an instrumental version of "Walking in the Air" in place of the Peter Auty vocals? I came across a discussion about it on the IMDB board for the film and on a couple of sites, including a few comments on the reviews section for the film on Amazon.com. Apparently it's on the "Children's Circle" vhs release of the film and some broadcast versions but I've never come across it myself. Is it worth mentioning here? -- Thetriangleguy 12:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
2012-02-23 delete four renditions of boilerplate, same editor, same two minutes
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 05:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be an agreement on the original Channel 4 broadcast date. IMDb says the 26th [2], but we also have had the 24th and the 31st. Is there any way of finding the true date out from a reliable source?
The 26th is correct: 6:15-6:45pm, 26 December 1982. This information taken from the relevant issue of the TVTimes. 94.195.175.6 ( talk) 18:20, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
What is the broadcast history in the US and the rest of the world? - 69.87.203.150 ( talk) 00:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
US versions:
Korean version:
- 96.233.30.113 ( talk) 22:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The first paragraph says "The cartoon version was scored by Howard Blake who wrote both music and lyrics of the song and also composed and conducted the complete orchestral score for the film with his own orchestra, the Sinfonia of London." The Wikipedia entry for the Sinfonia of London states that "The Sinfonia of London is a session orchestra based in London, England. Muir Mathieson, the director of music for Rank Films, founded the ensemble in 1955 specifically for the recording of film music. " The two entries are at odds with each other. Which is correct? Tomandzeke ( talk) 01:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
The section for "Stage Version" states "The Snowman has also been made into a stage show. It was first produced by Contact Theatre, Manchester in 1986[4]." The Wikipedia article for Howard Blake states that "His famous song Walking in the Air, for which he also wrote the lyrics, was the success that launched Aled Jones in 1985, whilst his concert version for narrator and orchestra is now performed worldwide as well as the full-length ballet of the same name, launched in 1997 and in 2008 celebrating its 11th consecutive Christmas season for Sadler’s Wells at The Peacock Theatre."
The Stage Version section omits the ballet staged at a much more recent date according to the Howard Blake Article. Shouldn't the two Wikipedia articles on this subject be consistent? Tomandzeke ( talk) 01:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I remember (though it could be a "false memory") that I encountered a story very similar to Briggs's "The snowman" before 1978, in a printed version with no illustrations, just text. I think it was a short story in a collection of stories. The style was rather like Hans Christian Andersen, but I'm not thinking of his story " The Snowman", which doesn't have much in common with Briggs's story. The story I remember reading has one feature that distinguishes it from both Briggs's and Andersen's stories: there's a bit at the end with the boy looking up at a cloud and thinking that the snowman has turned into that cloud. Have I confabulated all this, or does someone else know the story I'm talking about here? If it were the case that Briggs's story borrows heavily from a previous story it would certainly be worth mentioning that in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.28.145 ( talk) 22:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Or alternatively: https://www.flickr.com/photos/28512889@N05/25375695137/in/dateposted-public/ which is Rupert flying through the air at night with his snowman accompanied by other snowmen from the Rupert Annual 1948, when Briggs was 13 or 14.
86.187.166.32 ( talk) 17:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
After adding {{ infobox book}} and providing some bibliog data (still incomplete), I have tried a few different layouts for the Briggs snowman, two Infoboxen, and the Table of Contents. As I write, {infobox book} is down in section Plot of the book because it includes no image.
The Briggs illustration is top left (is that location permitted?), much more appropriate than its old location in Plot of the film. That one is the best image. Does it illustrate the original book cover? Even if it doesn't, it may reasonably belong in {infobox book} at top right with {{ infobox film}} relegated to section Plot of the film. -- P64 ( talk) 18:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Copied from File talk:The Snowman.jpg:
This is a short film, so poster or DVD cover is prefered to screencap. Screencaps are prefered for TV shows, because that's how they are recognized; every time a TV show starts, you see the title the same way, so that's how the viewer comes to picture the title. Not so with a FILM, like the Snowman. The fact it debuted on TV is irrelevant. Here's another example: Bang Bang You're Dead (film) Film Fan ( talk) 21:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I have collected everything about the film as New section 1 and drafted a new second paragraph in the lead. For simplicity there are no other changes except sequence, headings, and levels of intact sections. In this marked-up version of the old Contents, zero (0) represents the lead in two parts.
Old sections 2, 5, and 7-10 are New sections 2, 3, and 4-7.
Is this an improvement? (IIUC, here are permanent links to the two versions: 1:59 Old; 18:18 New.) If this generally works, the lead needs attention and some later tweaks may be necessary. -- P64 ( talk) 18:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Why is the film before the book? This seems both illogical and inconsistent with articles about other books adapted as films. Seems to be putting the cart before the horse. BearAllen ( talk) 05:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
In prose we say "Christmas Eve" and "26-minute"; in the infobox "26 December" and "27 min."
And the article content seems inconsistent with TV Episode coverage importance=Low! -- P64 ( talk) 18:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Why is this referred to as the "2012 version"? As I understand it, it's a completely new film with the same character. Would we refer to The Empire Strikes Back as the "1980 version of Star Wars"? Seems rather odd. BearAllen ( talk) 05:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I've made a minor change for now, I'm sure this could be improved upon, should someone have the inclination. BearAllen ( talk) 23:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
The rabbits scatter - the pheasants fly away in fear - the horse gallops away - even the owl turns its head because it has been disturbed bt the sound of the machine. To use a word like encountered does not accurately describe what is seen onscreen. MarnetteD| Talk 15:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
The "Father Christmas" Raymond Briggs graphic novel on wikipedia has separate articles for the book and the animation. Should we consider the same approach for "The Snowman"?
At the moment there seems to be a lot of bleed through between them in the article, for example the The_Snowman#Book section starts with the line "The original book has a slightly different plot.", which makes no sense in isolation, and requires the reader to have read the synopsis of the animation in the preceding section.
Has this been discussed before? Pros/Cons?
-- SnowmanJames ( talk) 11:20, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
What's this all about? The quote is clearly referring to the story, rather than the snowman within the story, and the story is called The Snowman. Here's the quote in the film introduction. — Film Fan 16:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
This should really be split into two distinct articles, one for the book and one for the film, as this article is ostensibly primarily about the book, yet gets overshadowed by the film. 212.135.65.247 ( talk) 10:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
And the book too.-- 107.77.173.19 ( talk) 21:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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I initially thought that this was when the events depicted take place. But repeated viewings through the years the years have brought up a few other ideas.
I know that there are valid arguments to be made against this, especially the events of the sequel "Father Christmas" (but this didn't come along until 1987), and it is not important in the grand scheme of things. I just wanted to note them here to justify my addition to this article. MarnetteD | Talk 03:59, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
According to the synopsis on the official website, the boy's name is James. I didn't want to mess up anyone's work in case they didn't agree so I'll just leave it for someone else to update.-- Thetriangleguy 21:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I know this isn't really the place to mention it, but after Bowie makes his speech and it enters animation, we see an owl fly over the screen. Much the same as in Labyrinth where the same actor/singer becomes an owl...just a random thought. DarkMithras — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.246.129 ( talk) 18:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
This page says the book was released in 1980. The article on Raymond Briggs says 1978. Which is correct? Billy H 18:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
The feature itself might be just 23 minutes, plus one of three intros. The intro situation is very confusing -- it may be hard to determine which intro is included with various versions. And a particular version may not really include the intro it says it does! 69.87.193.151 02:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
"...the blame lies with Sony Home Video, not Amazon. The DVD box has "with a special introduction by David Bowie" clearly marked on the back, even though the intro is nowhere to be found... it's Sony that has screwed up this time around."
"... over the years, three introductions to The Snowman have been made - the original with Raymond Briggs himself walking through a field that morphs into the animation, the David Bowie introduction that was made for American audiences who were believed to need a celebrity (and which many people find fake and dislike), and a 20th anniversary animated intro using the 'Father Christmas' character from another Raymond Briggs book/movie. Many people... feel the original Raymond Briggs introduction to be the best and most genuine. It has never been released on DVD in the UK. ... It's personal taste - everyone seems to prefer the intro they saw on first watching The Snowman."
The 1982/1993 Columbia TriStar NTSC VHS has a very short live-action intro with voice-over narration -- these may be Briggs, but there don't seem to be any credits telling us for sure. The tape is labelled 26 min; the sleeve is labelled 29 min. ISBN 0-7912-0007-8 UPC 1157501413 69.87.194.91 16:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This DVD has no "extras". The version of The Snowman seems to be entirely the original VHS - same RB in the field intro, same child voice singing the main song, exact same credits with no credit to narrator or singer. I am starting to doubt that there really is any version of the video that uses an alternate Aled Jones singing, in place of Peter Auty. The video of Father Christmas seems to mostly be from the Holiday book, a little from the Father Christmas book, and overlaps with The Snowman by repeating scenes of partying at the North Pole, including the boy (James). 69.87.203.130 20:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This DVD has no "extras". The version of The Snowman seems to be entirely the original VHS - same RB in the field intro, same child voice singing the main song... - 69.87.203.23 ( talk) 00:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The original soundtrack singer was Peter Auty. Aled Jones was more popular on the radio, soon after the original release. Later re-releases of the film appear to substitute Aled Jones. Is this really true? Is Peter Auty being credited, but not actually included? 69.87.193.97 20:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
The 1982/1993 NTSC VHS has no credits on the tape or the sleeve for the singer! Does any version explicitly credit the singer, anywhere? 69.87.194.91 16:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's a myth that Aled Jones' version was ever used. Why would they bother changing it? Especially as the myth seems to pertain to late 80s/early 90s releases, by which time there would have been no cachet in having Aled Jones on the soundtrack anyway. In 1985 as a cash-in, there may have been some point to it, but later? Nah. - 88.110.217.242 14:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The book has a simpler plot than the movie. In the book, there is no motorcycle ride, and they only fly to the coast; there is no cruise ship, and no trip to the North Pole, no Father Christmas etc. The plot description in the article is for the film version. In the book, the boy has no name, but in the film the tag on the present lets us know he is James. The book is a cartoon-style series of wordless drawings, in colored pencil or crayon. The film is a similar style, but with a very short live-action intro with voice-over narration. The song that accompanies the flying has words. — 16:29, 30 December 2006 69.87.194.91
Does anybody know anything about a release of the film that has an instrumental version of "Walking in the Air" in place of the Peter Auty vocals? I came across a discussion about it on the IMDB board for the film and on a couple of sites, including a few comments on the reviews section for the film on Amazon.com. Apparently it's on the "Children's Circle" vhs release of the film and some broadcast versions but I've never come across it myself. Is it worth mentioning here? -- Thetriangleguy 12:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
2012-02-23 delete four renditions of boilerplate, same editor, same two minutes
Image:Snowman Outtakes 001.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 05:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be an agreement on the original Channel 4 broadcast date. IMDb says the 26th [2], but we also have had the 24th and the 31st. Is there any way of finding the true date out from a reliable source?
The 26th is correct: 6:15-6:45pm, 26 December 1982. This information taken from the relevant issue of the TVTimes. 94.195.175.6 ( talk) 18:20, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
What is the broadcast history in the US and the rest of the world? - 69.87.203.150 ( talk) 00:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
US versions:
Korean version:
- 96.233.30.113 ( talk) 22:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The first paragraph says "The cartoon version was scored by Howard Blake who wrote both music and lyrics of the song and also composed and conducted the complete orchestral score for the film with his own orchestra, the Sinfonia of London." The Wikipedia entry for the Sinfonia of London states that "The Sinfonia of London is a session orchestra based in London, England. Muir Mathieson, the director of music for Rank Films, founded the ensemble in 1955 specifically for the recording of film music. " The two entries are at odds with each other. Which is correct? Tomandzeke ( talk) 01:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
The section for "Stage Version" states "The Snowman has also been made into a stage show. It was first produced by Contact Theatre, Manchester in 1986[4]." The Wikipedia article for Howard Blake states that "His famous song Walking in the Air, for which he also wrote the lyrics, was the success that launched Aled Jones in 1985, whilst his concert version for narrator and orchestra is now performed worldwide as well as the full-length ballet of the same name, launched in 1997 and in 2008 celebrating its 11th consecutive Christmas season for Sadler’s Wells at The Peacock Theatre."
The Stage Version section omits the ballet staged at a much more recent date according to the Howard Blake Article. Shouldn't the two Wikipedia articles on this subject be consistent? Tomandzeke ( talk) 01:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I remember (though it could be a "false memory") that I encountered a story very similar to Briggs's "The snowman" before 1978, in a printed version with no illustrations, just text. I think it was a short story in a collection of stories. The style was rather like Hans Christian Andersen, but I'm not thinking of his story " The Snowman", which doesn't have much in common with Briggs's story. The story I remember reading has one feature that distinguishes it from both Briggs's and Andersen's stories: there's a bit at the end with the boy looking up at a cloud and thinking that the snowman has turned into that cloud. Have I confabulated all this, or does someone else know the story I'm talking about here? If it were the case that Briggs's story borrows heavily from a previous story it would certainly be worth mentioning that in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.28.145 ( talk) 22:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Or alternatively: https://www.flickr.com/photos/28512889@N05/25375695137/in/dateposted-public/ which is Rupert flying through the air at night with his snowman accompanied by other snowmen from the Rupert Annual 1948, when Briggs was 13 or 14.
86.187.166.32 ( talk) 17:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
After adding {{ infobox book}} and providing some bibliog data (still incomplete), I have tried a few different layouts for the Briggs snowman, two Infoboxen, and the Table of Contents. As I write, {infobox book} is down in section Plot of the book because it includes no image.
The Briggs illustration is top left (is that location permitted?), much more appropriate than its old location in Plot of the film. That one is the best image. Does it illustrate the original book cover? Even if it doesn't, it may reasonably belong in {infobox book} at top right with {{ infobox film}} relegated to section Plot of the film. -- P64 ( talk) 18:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Copied from File talk:The Snowman.jpg:
This is a short film, so poster or DVD cover is prefered to screencap. Screencaps are prefered for TV shows, because that's how they are recognized; every time a TV show starts, you see the title the same way, so that's how the viewer comes to picture the title. Not so with a FILM, like the Snowman. The fact it debuted on TV is irrelevant. Here's another example: Bang Bang You're Dead (film) Film Fan ( talk) 21:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I have collected everything about the film as New section 1 and drafted a new second paragraph in the lead. For simplicity there are no other changes except sequence, headings, and levels of intact sections. In this marked-up version of the old Contents, zero (0) represents the lead in two parts.
Old sections 2, 5, and 7-10 are New sections 2, 3, and 4-7.
Is this an improvement? (IIUC, here are permanent links to the two versions: 1:59 Old; 18:18 New.) If this generally works, the lead needs attention and some later tweaks may be necessary. -- P64 ( talk) 18:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Why is the film before the book? This seems both illogical and inconsistent with articles about other books adapted as films. Seems to be putting the cart before the horse. BearAllen ( talk) 05:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
In prose we say "Christmas Eve" and "26-minute"; in the infobox "26 December" and "27 min."
And the article content seems inconsistent with TV Episode coverage importance=Low! -- P64 ( talk) 18:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Why is this referred to as the "2012 version"? As I understand it, it's a completely new film with the same character. Would we refer to The Empire Strikes Back as the "1980 version of Star Wars"? Seems rather odd. BearAllen ( talk) 05:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I've made a minor change for now, I'm sure this could be improved upon, should someone have the inclination. BearAllen ( talk) 23:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
The rabbits scatter - the pheasants fly away in fear - the horse gallops away - even the owl turns its head because it has been disturbed bt the sound of the machine. To use a word like encountered does not accurately describe what is seen onscreen. MarnetteD| Talk 15:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
The "Father Christmas" Raymond Briggs graphic novel on wikipedia has separate articles for the book and the animation. Should we consider the same approach for "The Snowman"?
At the moment there seems to be a lot of bleed through between them in the article, for example the The_Snowman#Book section starts with the line "The original book has a slightly different plot.", which makes no sense in isolation, and requires the reader to have read the synopsis of the animation in the preceding section.
Has this been discussed before? Pros/Cons?
-- SnowmanJames ( talk) 11:20, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
What's this all about? The quote is clearly referring to the story, rather than the snowman within the story, and the story is called The Snowman. Here's the quote in the film introduction. — Film Fan 16:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
This should really be split into two distinct articles, one for the book and one for the film, as this article is ostensibly primarily about the book, yet gets overshadowed by the film. 212.135.65.247 ( talk) 10:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
And the book too.-- 107.77.173.19 ( talk) 21:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)