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This is in regards to the request at the VG Assessment page. I'm rating this article as B-class, Low-importance. Here are a few tips to improve it!
I'm rating this as B-class, but proposing it for A-class, which by tradition needs a second assessor to agree. I think that the PS3 frame rate section is too long for the issue, and that the reception and development sections could be longer. I also recommend making the tracklists hidden (see Music_of_Final_Fantasy_VI#Final_Fantasy_VI_Grand_Finale for what I mean), though I think the little symbols your using are cute, with the lambda for HL1 and the oval for portal. I recommend submitting this to GAR, and after cleaning it up more, sending it to FAC. -- PresN ( talk) 21:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Yay! I've removed the PS3 frame rate section and incorporated part of it into the Development section and the other part into the Reception section and added some more criticisms from reviews to it, hopefully ameliorating all three problems of the PS3 frame rate section being too long, and the Development and Reception sections being too short. I like the tracklists being two columns, so I'm trying to figure out a way to preserve that while making it hide/show. If there isn't a way, I don't think it really impairs the article, seeing as the track lists are short. clicketyclick yaketyyak 23:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Some minor issues, but nothing that can't be fixed later. You might want to source this statement: "...The Orange Box features five complete games compiled into one retail unit. It is the first of Valve's products to use indepth player statistics and achievement awards through the Steam system." Good job. David Fuchs ( talk) 02:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The Gabe Newell quote about the PS3 being 'a waste of time' seems irrelevant to the article,or at least biased, and would seem to me to be relevant only as criticism on the PS3 page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.49.73 ( talk) 20:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
on the issue of users buying their orange box cheap online, I don't think it is fair to say they tried to circumvent their EULA. It sounds biased, as if users tried to cheat steam, when in face one might argue it is the other way around. In the end of the day most users were probably not aware of these regional issues, and just hoped to get the game cheaper - and ended up having to buy the box twice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.100.166 ( talk) 19:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Isn't Peggle bundled with the Orange box too? Seems like it should be mentioned. Scott Ritchie ( talk) 00:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
No, Peggle isn't bundled with the Orange Box. If it was, it would be the odd one out because it's not an fps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpfan1234 ( talk • contribs) 05:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't the release date delayed until October 10? I remember that, because that is my birthday. (Edit: Or perhaps that's when it was unlocked. See: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&archive=yes&id=1237&cc=US.) Steam mentions it was "released" on Oct. 10 (see: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&archive=yes&id=1186&cc=US). Also, some other Wikipedia articles mention the Oct. 10 release date. Also note that in the infobox, where it states Windows (download), that article writes October 9, though the source referenced is dated as October 10. I am fairly convinced the "release date" is October 10. ~ UBeR ( talk) 00:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the lead reads, "The Orange Box is a video game compilation produced and published by the Valve Corporation for Microsoft Windows and the Xbox 360. It was released on October 9, 2007, as both a boxed retail copy and a Windows-only download available through Valve's Steam service. A PlayStation 3 version was later produced by Electronic Arts, being released on December 11, 2007, in North America and in Europe."
I think, however, it should read something like "The Orange Box is a video game compilation produced and published by the Valve Corporation for Microsoft Windows, the Xbox 360, and the PlayStation 3," so as not to downplay the PS3 version (and because, as a matter of fact, it is a game for each of these systems). We can then explain the different release dates in subsequent sentences. (See above section about Xbox and PC release dates.) ~ UBeR ( talk) 03:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The awards section as it is now is a mess and has been torn apart from the heavy cleanup that we put together. We cleaned up the text as too many awards were being referenced. We also wanted to say why the awards were won, not what awards were won. Doing this means that the reader understands what was recognised as outstanding in the game, not how many "Game of the Year" awards a website gave it. I would strongly suggest having a discussion on it here rather than reverting back and forth, as the prose is rapidly degenrating. It's not something you want to be doing while the article is a Featured Article candidate.
There are three sections: the awards for "The Orange Box", the ones for "Portal" and the ones for "Team Fortress 2". That's all that's needed. If you feel the prose should be changed, please talk about it here. Many thanks, Gazimoff Write Read 00:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
GOTY awards for The Orange Box are not appropriate in any of the five linked articles on each of the games included in it. (edit:) Just checked through the edit warring. I see what you mean now by this not being the place for that information and how having nine refs in a row really crowds up the Awards section. On the other hand, The Orange Box did win important awards on its own (rather than games within it) that aren't listed. These could be either worked into the section or stuck in the reviewbox (though the amount might pull the reviewbox down to overlap the references section. Might be easier to write it out.)
And something else got to me; the article mentions some awards that Portal and TF2 got, but it doesn't talk about Episode 2 at all, despite that game also premiering with Orange. And yes, it did win awards. It got:
Additionally, I do think it is worth listing the number of awards each new game within the package won as well as how many the package itself won. I, for example, am curious how the games stack up against each other. Episode 2 won 4. TF2 won 10. Portal won 76. And keep in mind this is despite TF2 getting a higher average critical score than Portal. Interesting, no?
If people agree that the GOTY awards for Orange, the awards that Epi2 won, and/or the number that each new game within Orange as well as Orange itself won should be mentioned, I'll work it in. clicketyclick yaketyyak 15:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I know they're like the Oscars; I'm pretty sure I was the one who added them in in the first place. :oP But I see what you mean. I'm just suggesting that it reads "The Gazimoff Box was recognised by seven different critic sites as being the best game of the year. citation needed..." and "...Gazimoff: Episode 2 won a total of four awards, being recognized as the best shooter of 2007, citation needed having well-programmed NPC AI, citation needed and excellent level design and story. citation needed..." Something like that. clicketyclick yaketyyak 17:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Since this article has gone to FAC, I was wondering about the possibility of pushing for a featured topic on the package. We've got six articles to play with, with this one acting as the main one. Of those six, only Episode Two is not a good article or featured article - Team Fortress 2 passed its GA earlier today. Of course, this is dependent on The Orange Box passing its FAC, and Episode Two being brought to GA. I imagine after that having one more article become featured (Episode One comes to mind) would solidify its potential. Its just a thought. -- Sabre ( talk) 10:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest you let this article pass FAC before going to FTC. dihydrogen monoxide ( H2O) 14:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
As I was reading over the article, I noticed that the passage talking about the censored German version of the game that I remembered was no longer there. I looked back through the history and found the change, which was done because "no better source could be found," and admittedly, the source we had in there was a little... well not very official. But any old google search will show you that German players have been clamouring for hacks to fix this, and that these hacks have been created for them, so it really isn't a hoax.
With help, I tracked down two sources which I feel are acceptable. They are from German websites dedicated to tracking and recording the censorship that video games receive in Germany editions, since Germany has a robust history of censoring video games. Even if you can't read German, the volume of screenshot documentation will adequately convey exactly what it's saying to you and makes the source more trustworthy. Additionally, the detailed source is noteworthy enough to have a page on German Wikipedia: Schnittberichte.com — if you're wondering what's going on on the talk page, the first section is about avoiding POV by discussion first on the talk page and the reply thanks the poster and states that they do not see any more POV in the article. The second section is a challenge, asserting that the article is advertising and has no value. The response that ended that discussion was that the complainant's edits were reverted because they were advertising and his retaliatory allegations made in revenge are not needed because the article is very relevant.
And just because a source is not in English does not mean it cannot be used in English-language articles as there is a reference format to account for non-English language sources.
Team Fortress 2—detail (source 1)
Team Fortress 2—summary (source 2)
Half-Life 2: Episode 2—detail (source 1)
I have the full translations of the Team Fortress 2 articles thanks to German speakers I know. The Epi2 article basically confirms what was previously removed from The Orange Box article about fading bodies and red blood being coloured grey, and this was done to all the Half-Life games included. So with your approval, I will reinsert and rewrite the section on censorship. clicketyclick yaketyyak 22:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Done
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Please note that the Portal screenshot has been listed for deletion. You may wish to follow the discussion here. Many thanks, Gazimoff Write Read 17:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Most software pages on Wikipedia have license in the infobox . Is this not common for gaming software? Or is this something that would be okay to add to the infobox? I do not see mention of any license on the entire page, save a link to the generic Wikipedia eula page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.69.173 ( talk) 01:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I found that the PSM3 Review needed a citation. I went ahead and looked up the review on their website, and found it here. I'd edit the article, but I'm a newbie when it comes to editing articles (it took me a while to try and make that link), so I was just wondering if someone could put in the citation. ( rct2guy ( talk) 13:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC))
Team Fortress 2 and Half-Life 2: Episode Two lists both retail (Orange Box) and Steam dates as October 10, The Orange Box lists retail as October 10 and Steam October 9 and finally Portal has both dates as October 9. I guess some of those dates are incorrect. -- Mika1h ( talk) 16:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I found this: Play Magazine review. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 03:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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The Windows and Xbox 360 versions were produced and published by Valve Corporation and released on October 10, 2007, as a boxed retail copy. A Windows-only download through Valve's Steam service was released the previous day.
however, the infobox says that both versions released on Oct 10. Which one is correct? I'd also like to add that the release is not covered in the body and thus completely unsourced, which shouldn't be the case with a GA. Lordtobi ( ✉) 20:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know the release date of The Orange Box for MacOS. On the article currently it states May 2010 with this ref [4] but the article only lists Half-Life 2 as being released not The Orange Box package/compilation itself. It may be worth noting that the List of Valve games article does not list macOS as a platform. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 20:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
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This is in regards to the request at the VG Assessment page. I'm rating this article as B-class, Low-importance. Here are a few tips to improve it!
I'm rating this as B-class, but proposing it for A-class, which by tradition needs a second assessor to agree. I think that the PS3 frame rate section is too long for the issue, and that the reception and development sections could be longer. I also recommend making the tracklists hidden (see Music_of_Final_Fantasy_VI#Final_Fantasy_VI_Grand_Finale for what I mean), though I think the little symbols your using are cute, with the lambda for HL1 and the oval for portal. I recommend submitting this to GAR, and after cleaning it up more, sending it to FAC. -- PresN ( talk) 21:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Yay! I've removed the PS3 frame rate section and incorporated part of it into the Development section and the other part into the Reception section and added some more criticisms from reviews to it, hopefully ameliorating all three problems of the PS3 frame rate section being too long, and the Development and Reception sections being too short. I like the tracklists being two columns, so I'm trying to figure out a way to preserve that while making it hide/show. If there isn't a way, I don't think it really impairs the article, seeing as the track lists are short. clicketyclick yaketyyak 23:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Some minor issues, but nothing that can't be fixed later. You might want to source this statement: "...The Orange Box features five complete games compiled into one retail unit. It is the first of Valve's products to use indepth player statistics and achievement awards through the Steam system." Good job. David Fuchs ( talk) 02:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The Gabe Newell quote about the PS3 being 'a waste of time' seems irrelevant to the article,or at least biased, and would seem to me to be relevant only as criticism on the PS3 page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.49.73 ( talk) 20:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
on the issue of users buying their orange box cheap online, I don't think it is fair to say they tried to circumvent their EULA. It sounds biased, as if users tried to cheat steam, when in face one might argue it is the other way around. In the end of the day most users were probably not aware of these regional issues, and just hoped to get the game cheaper - and ended up having to buy the box twice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.100.166 ( talk) 19:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Isn't Peggle bundled with the Orange box too? Seems like it should be mentioned. Scott Ritchie ( talk) 00:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
No, Peggle isn't bundled with the Orange Box. If it was, it would be the odd one out because it's not an fps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpfan1234 ( talk • contribs) 05:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't the release date delayed until October 10? I remember that, because that is my birthday. (Edit: Or perhaps that's when it was unlocked. See: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&archive=yes&id=1237&cc=US.) Steam mentions it was "released" on Oct. 10 (see: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&archive=yes&id=1186&cc=US). Also, some other Wikipedia articles mention the Oct. 10 release date. Also note that in the infobox, where it states Windows (download), that article writes October 9, though the source referenced is dated as October 10. I am fairly convinced the "release date" is October 10. ~ UBeR ( talk) 00:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the lead reads, "The Orange Box is a video game compilation produced and published by the Valve Corporation for Microsoft Windows and the Xbox 360. It was released on October 9, 2007, as both a boxed retail copy and a Windows-only download available through Valve's Steam service. A PlayStation 3 version was later produced by Electronic Arts, being released on December 11, 2007, in North America and in Europe."
I think, however, it should read something like "The Orange Box is a video game compilation produced and published by the Valve Corporation for Microsoft Windows, the Xbox 360, and the PlayStation 3," so as not to downplay the PS3 version (and because, as a matter of fact, it is a game for each of these systems). We can then explain the different release dates in subsequent sentences. (See above section about Xbox and PC release dates.) ~ UBeR ( talk) 03:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The awards section as it is now is a mess and has been torn apart from the heavy cleanup that we put together. We cleaned up the text as too many awards were being referenced. We also wanted to say why the awards were won, not what awards were won. Doing this means that the reader understands what was recognised as outstanding in the game, not how many "Game of the Year" awards a website gave it. I would strongly suggest having a discussion on it here rather than reverting back and forth, as the prose is rapidly degenrating. It's not something you want to be doing while the article is a Featured Article candidate.
There are three sections: the awards for "The Orange Box", the ones for "Portal" and the ones for "Team Fortress 2". That's all that's needed. If you feel the prose should be changed, please talk about it here. Many thanks, Gazimoff Write Read 00:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
GOTY awards for The Orange Box are not appropriate in any of the five linked articles on each of the games included in it. (edit:) Just checked through the edit warring. I see what you mean now by this not being the place for that information and how having nine refs in a row really crowds up the Awards section. On the other hand, The Orange Box did win important awards on its own (rather than games within it) that aren't listed. These could be either worked into the section or stuck in the reviewbox (though the amount might pull the reviewbox down to overlap the references section. Might be easier to write it out.)
And something else got to me; the article mentions some awards that Portal and TF2 got, but it doesn't talk about Episode 2 at all, despite that game also premiering with Orange. And yes, it did win awards. It got:
Additionally, I do think it is worth listing the number of awards each new game within the package won as well as how many the package itself won. I, for example, am curious how the games stack up against each other. Episode 2 won 4. TF2 won 10. Portal won 76. And keep in mind this is despite TF2 getting a higher average critical score than Portal. Interesting, no?
If people agree that the GOTY awards for Orange, the awards that Epi2 won, and/or the number that each new game within Orange as well as Orange itself won should be mentioned, I'll work it in. clicketyclick yaketyyak 15:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I know they're like the Oscars; I'm pretty sure I was the one who added them in in the first place. :oP But I see what you mean. I'm just suggesting that it reads "The Gazimoff Box was recognised by seven different critic sites as being the best game of the year. citation needed..." and "...Gazimoff: Episode 2 won a total of four awards, being recognized as the best shooter of 2007, citation needed having well-programmed NPC AI, citation needed and excellent level design and story. citation needed..." Something like that. clicketyclick yaketyyak 17:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Since this article has gone to FAC, I was wondering about the possibility of pushing for a featured topic on the package. We've got six articles to play with, with this one acting as the main one. Of those six, only Episode Two is not a good article or featured article - Team Fortress 2 passed its GA earlier today. Of course, this is dependent on The Orange Box passing its FAC, and Episode Two being brought to GA. I imagine after that having one more article become featured (Episode One comes to mind) would solidify its potential. Its just a thought. -- Sabre ( talk) 10:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest you let this article pass FAC before going to FTC. dihydrogen monoxide ( H2O) 14:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
As I was reading over the article, I noticed that the passage talking about the censored German version of the game that I remembered was no longer there. I looked back through the history and found the change, which was done because "no better source could be found," and admittedly, the source we had in there was a little... well not very official. But any old google search will show you that German players have been clamouring for hacks to fix this, and that these hacks have been created for them, so it really isn't a hoax.
With help, I tracked down two sources which I feel are acceptable. They are from German websites dedicated to tracking and recording the censorship that video games receive in Germany editions, since Germany has a robust history of censoring video games. Even if you can't read German, the volume of screenshot documentation will adequately convey exactly what it's saying to you and makes the source more trustworthy. Additionally, the detailed source is noteworthy enough to have a page on German Wikipedia: Schnittberichte.com — if you're wondering what's going on on the talk page, the first section is about avoiding POV by discussion first on the talk page and the reply thanks the poster and states that they do not see any more POV in the article. The second section is a challenge, asserting that the article is advertising and has no value. The response that ended that discussion was that the complainant's edits were reverted because they were advertising and his retaliatory allegations made in revenge are not needed because the article is very relevant.
And just because a source is not in English does not mean it cannot be used in English-language articles as there is a reference format to account for non-English language sources.
Team Fortress 2—detail (source 1)
Team Fortress 2—summary (source 2)
Half-Life 2: Episode 2—detail (source 1)
I have the full translations of the Team Fortress 2 articles thanks to German speakers I know. The Epi2 article basically confirms what was previously removed from The Orange Box article about fading bodies and red blood being coloured grey, and this was done to all the Half-Life games included. So with your approval, I will reinsert and rewrite the section on censorship. clicketyclick yaketyyak 22:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Done
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Please note that the Portal screenshot has been listed for deletion. You may wish to follow the discussion here. Many thanks, Gazimoff Write Read 17:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Most software pages on Wikipedia have license in the infobox . Is this not common for gaming software? Or is this something that would be okay to add to the infobox? I do not see mention of any license on the entire page, save a link to the generic Wikipedia eula page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.69.173 ( talk) 01:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I found that the PSM3 Review needed a citation. I went ahead and looked up the review on their website, and found it here. I'd edit the article, but I'm a newbie when it comes to editing articles (it took me a while to try and make that link), so I was just wondering if someone could put in the citation. ( rct2guy ( talk) 13:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC))
Team Fortress 2 and Half-Life 2: Episode Two lists both retail (Orange Box) and Steam dates as October 10, The Orange Box lists retail as October 10 and Steam October 9 and finally Portal has both dates as October 9. I guess some of those dates are incorrect. -- Mika1h ( talk) 16:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I found this: Play Magazine review. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 03:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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The lead reads
The Windows and Xbox 360 versions were produced and published by Valve Corporation and released on October 10, 2007, as a boxed retail copy. A Windows-only download through Valve's Steam service was released the previous day.
however, the infobox says that both versions released on Oct 10. Which one is correct? I'd also like to add that the release is not covered in the body and thus completely unsourced, which shouldn't be the case with a GA. Lordtobi ( ✉) 20:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know the release date of The Orange Box for MacOS. On the article currently it states May 2010 with this ref [4] but the article only lists Half-Life 2 as being released not The Orange Box package/compilation itself. It may be worth noting that the List of Valve games article does not list macOS as a platform. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 20:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)