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The article was edited to say the event is an official money event on the Japan Golf Tour. Their website (at www.jgto.org) does not indicate that this event is on their schedule. I don't know how else to verify if it is an official money event on the JGT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.42.16.135 ( talk) 02:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Any techy Wiki people have any idea why the title of this is replacing the word "Open_" with "concat"??? -- John Owens 15:36 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
This could be moved to The Open Championship. The article states that the term British Open in North America; since this encyclopedia is not an American one, the official term could be used. -- Emsworth 03:39, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
Bear in mind it's not a British encyclopedia either.--Buckboard 09:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Many of the comments below, while arguing that using the British Open in reference is completely incorrect, make weak arguments based on their incorrect usage of the formal titles of the other 4 majors. There is no tournament formally called the The Masters, but there is one formally named the Masters Tournament. There is no tournament formally called the US Open, but there is one formally named the United States Open Championship. Arguing for referencing tournaments by their formal names will make for stodgy reading. Using short hand names, such as The Masters, the US Open, and British Open, are in common usage. British Open was used as recently as today (23 July 2006) by the Associated Press article, Three of a kind: Tiger comes up clutch to win third British, 11th major.
For the most part, the British prefer The Open Championship because the language singles out their tournament. It's THE Championship. Much of this debate is really over the battle for which of the 4 majors is, THE Major. In the United States, the Masters Tournament is considered the greatest tournament in golf. In Europe The Open Championship is considered the greatest tournament in golf. Stressing the formal name of The Open Championship is a constant reminder of one of the biggest claims to The Open Championship's greatness: it was first. (The Masters Tournament may owe some part of its eminence for a similar reason: its regularly called, THE Masters. Strangely enough, Bobby Jones fought against this short name for years, insisting it being called by its formal name, the Augusta National Invitation Tournament, until he finally caved in and changed the name to, the Masters Tournament. ) For similar reasons, Americans are unlikely to insist on such formality---besides the practical need to distinguish it from its US counterpart.
Being an American, I see nothing wrong with using the phrase, "the US and British Opens", for short-hand for the two countries' open golf tournaments---but if this does annoy you, and you must 'fix' such a phrase, please maintain cosistency and use "The Open Championship and the U.S. Open Championship," instead of applying a double-standard and simply changing it to, "The Open Championship and the US Open".
-- Unsigned comment by 65.42.16.135.
You seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The Open Championship is not the European title it is the title of the tournement. The Open was the first tournement of its type anywhere so therefore didn't need a qualifier. It is also never refered to as the claret jug (as you put in your edit comment), that is refering to the trophy itself. There is also a diference between shortened names, such as "The Open" or "U.S. Open", and refering to this as the "British Open". It isn't the "American PGA" or "U.S. Masters" because the first of their kind never need extra qualification. While it will always be a side effect of ignorance that such a qualifier will be added regarding The Open. This is encyclopedia and should always use the correct name in its full or shortened version. josh ( talk) 03:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
It is probably fair comment to suggest that the Open is known as the British Open around the world and no doubt numerous media references can produced to substantiate this. However Wikipedia is not a dictionary (which is descriptive) but an encyclopedia and is there to inform and educate. It would be remiss not to note the use of the term "British Open" because it occurs but to suggest this is correct would be misleading. Again to rely upon media sources as justification given their known ability to be inaccurate is a somewhat weak argument. A comparison that might be appropriate would be the description of "tsunami" as "tidal waves". The former were often incorrectly described as the latter and while it might be appropriate to note this usage it should be noted to be incorrect. It is through education that the correct usage has become more common. Wikipedia likewise should not continue to promote an incorrect description of the Open.
Referring to the 'The Open Championship' as the 'British Open' is incorrect, as Josh illustrates above. It is simply called 'The 'Open Championship' because it was the first official golf tournament of any kind held anywhere in the world. It is as simple as that. People can refer to it anyway they like, but the correct terminlogy is 'The Open Championship'. Ds1994 ( talk) 11:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
PJB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.231.233 ( talk) 09:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
It is suggested above there is no such tournament formally called the US Open. If you visit the official site for the US Open ( [1] ) you will note the term used is "U.S. Open". Further in the historical notes under "History" the site advises "On Oct. 4, 1895, the first U.S. Open Championship was conducted by the United States Golf Association on the nine-hole course of Newport (R.I.) Golf and Country Club" - my emphasis added. You finally note that at the bottom of the page the registered marks are "U.S. Open" adn "U.S. Open Championship". It would therefore seem correct to refer to the this championship as the "U.S. Open"
PJB 86.143.231.233 ( talk) 13:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I've set up a William Rogers disambiguation page and find there's a golfer Bill Rogers. Can anyone supply any details on him so I can add to my list? I've changed the link on this page to Bill Rogers (golfer) in the interim. PedanticallySpeaking 19:12, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)
The 1939 champion was certainly British, and I've found hints that he was English on the internet, but no proof. Does anyone know for sure? Wincoote 17:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
it is not incorrect to say british open, just unofficial. if one were to say "who won the open in 2001?" no one would know which event was being asked about. it is the open and british is simply a distinguisher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.201.133.237 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 1 August 2005
It may seem a bit pedantic, but I don’t think that it is. In an encyclopaedia we should aim for accuracy and identify erroneous use. The four majors are correctly called “The Open Championship”; the “US Open”; the “Masters” and the “US PGA Championship”. It is as incorrect to call “The Open” the “British Open” as it would be to call the “Masters” the “US Masters”. However it is true that many (in the United States in particular) do refer to “The Open” as the “British Open” and we should acknowledge that reality in the Wiki entry, - but we must also point out that such usage is incorrect.
PaddyBriggs
07:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
As someone who lives in St. Andrews and works in the golfing industry the notion that "fans and media" used the term "British Open" as an informal usage is incorrect. I have never heard anyone, other than US citizens, call it anything other than "The Open". The google search results mentioned by Gene Nygaard are entirely misleading as when I check the option to find UK sites only for "British Open" and sort the results by relevance there are not only very few which relate to golf but of those that do they have .com suffixes and may well be foreign companies with UK based sites.
If wikipedia is to to be trusted then there should be a note in the introduction that states that the use of the term "British Open" is inacurate, irrelevant of its common usage. Veracity is surely the point of an encyclopaedia but then the irony of the fact that Wikipedia uses the US spelling of the word itself may give us some clue as to where the cultural power behind wikipedia lies
Let us settle this irritating issue once and for all. The name of the tournament is The Open Championship. It's been around for some 146 years and has been called The Open for some 146 years. It is a famous, prestigious, old tournament and accordingly deserves to be called by its proper name. If some other country or organisation wishes to hold a tournament with an open format and wishes to call it so, it'll just have to play second-fiddle and have another pronoun or adjective attached. To elaborate:, there are many such tournament in golf already, the second oldest of which is The Canadian Open; there are also other tournaments like The Scottish Open, The English Open, The Houston Open, The China Open, the South African Airways Open and even the U.S. Open. The one Open that gets to be called THE OPEN is The Open Championship --- it was first, it has the most pedigree and anyway that is its official name.
Let us deepen the anlysis a bit here. It is quite obvious that everyone in the world knows the The Masters is the one held at Augusta, USA. It is called The Masters [notice "THE" Masters]. There is a long list of other Masters tournaments, like the European Masters, the Singapore Masters, the Britsih Masters and the Qatar Masters. But only one deserves to be called THE MASTERS.
Similarly, only one Open gets to be called THE OPEN. Some have proferred that the reason The Open is referred to as the British open is to distinguish it from The US Open --- this is a thought that's just dripping in American insularity! They have it all backwards: the reason it's called the U.S. Open is to distinguish it from The Open! [In any event, the proper parallel analogy would have be the U.K. Open, n'est pas? Or perhaps then the American Open?]
American TV will just have to swallow the chicken bone that's stuck in its throat. THE OPEN cannot ever play second to The U.S. Open. Now stop the madness.
"reactionaries": name-calling. That's why the above poster said "ap(t)ly" named. That and the opening comment to which you replied were both, frankly, destructive to discussion on articles. As a matter for debate, THE OPEN can and does "play second" to the U.S. Open. But all of that is irrelevant to the issue of what to term it here. Allegiance and nationality ARE irrelevant to ANY discussion in editing Wikipedia. --Buckboard 09:52, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
It's is really very simple indeed. The tournament's title is "The Open Championship" and it has always been called this and always will be. However it is common practice by some to refer to the tournament as the "British Open" - especially (but not only) in the USA. There is nothing offensive about this solecism, but it is wrong. So Wiki needs to reflect what is correct ("The Open Championship") but also acknowledge the common practice ("British Open") - whilst pointing out that such usage is an error and suggesting a reason ("To avoid confusion with the US Open" and/or "ignorance"). PaddyBriggs 11:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I only started this discussion as an experiment in exposing Americans' will to fight tooth and nail about something that doesn't really matter. How telling it is that the slightest reduction in nationalistic stature (self-perceived!) or afront to their colonistic sensibilities sends Americans into arguments this lenghty, full of bleatings that Wikepedia is somehow an American idea and that there are universal truths in America. Goodness - try to act with more grace than a transvestitie getting its wig ripped off at a dinner party. Please let us strive here for truth and accuracy. And keep in mind: insularity is not attractive. Despite the fact that Americans are so emminently lovable and admirable in so many ways, I find this whole thing is now stuck in my throat. Oh well, there's always good golf to watch. I wonder if Woods can win the American PGA, then the Augusta Masters, then the Yankee Open before he wins The British for the third consequtive time. DocEss 12:43, 22 July 2006 (MDT)
Can't we get a header picture that doesnt have a Rolex logo on it? -- 81.105.251.160 03:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been to several Opens and have never seen any signs saying 'This way to the British Open' nor any references to a 'British Open' in souvenir programmes or indeed in the official website opengolf.com. So whilst the Americans and anyone else can call it the British Open if they wish, it still doesn't mean that it is not an inaccurate title. Catchpole 10:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Just because 300 million people use a name doesn't mean its the right name, it would be like trying to change Mumbai back to Bombay. You are perfectly entitled to call the Open by whatever name you wish, just don't imply its the right or official name. Catchpole 06:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Dude, Americans don't call it ice hockey. we call it hockey too.
Today (July, 26th, 2006) I added a column detailing the 1st place prize money. This amount is given in UK Pound Sterling (for obvious reasons). However, people may want to see the conversion to USD as well. What do you think? Are there any wiki functions that can perform simple conversions like this -- so no one has to convert each one by hand?
I was just curious if you thought a USD conversion was worthwile. Given the tradition of the tournament and its location I believe that it should stay in pound sterling. So I think it is settled... Pounds. Ok.
There are plenty of choices of words that could be used (a) To record, accurately, that The Open Championship is sometimes referred to as the "British Open" (sic) and (b) that such usage is mistaken, erroneous, incorrect (or whatever). I don't care which word is used (or any other that Roget might suggest) but one of them must be if Wiki is correctly to record this fact. My latest revison uses "incorrectly" - can we leave it at that??!! PaddyBriggs 09:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It is not a "nickname" which can only be applied to persons. It is a
solecism. That many use the term is not in dispute. That they are wrong is equally true. To the correspondant above who hasn't the courtesy to identify him(her)self I can only say this. The tournament is the oldest in golf. It is correctly called "The Open Championship" any other descriptor is incorrect.
PaddyBriggs
16:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
If anything but the official name of something was wrong, then it would be wrong to say Tiger Woods, wrong to say US or America instead of the United States of America, wrong to say the R&A, and wrong to say the US Open instead of the Uniteed States Open Championship. And if a large number of people did call it the drucken duck tournament, then it would be a correct (but informal) title.
I recently removed a link to this site from this article, since it seemed like a blatant advertising link (it was even inserted into the text of the article, not as an External Link). I ran across something similar on another page though, and indeed it appears the address 195.92.35.134 (and then the user Newmac1) added a similar link to a number of golf course pages. Should they all just be removed, or moved to External Links? The site looks potentially interesting but is new and without much additional content at this point. Not too many places link to it according to Google. Carl Lindberg 15:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
If the R&A (the organizer of the British Open) considered "the British Open" to be "incorrect," it -- not Wikipedia users -- would demand people stop using that name. Generally, trademark owners are not shy about making sure people get a name right. Any ESPN person who failed to call the
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl (or whatever it is now) by its official name would be in hot water. But ABC, the British Open's American TV partner, has always called it "the British Open." If the R&A had something against the use of that name, it would demand ABC stop using it.
Furthermore, a search of the US Patent & Trademark Office's database finds that Championship Committee Merchandising, the company that handles merchandizing for the Royal & Ancient, has trademarked "British Open" for use on umbrellas and clothing in the U.S.
It's clear that while the tournament organizers may prefer that people say "the Open Championship," it has come to accept that people outside of Britain call it something different.
"The British Open" may be an unofficial name, but it certainly is not "incorrect."
Also note that our article on " The Championships, Wimbledon" does not claim that the widespread use of the word "Wimbledon" to refer to the tournament itself is "incorrect." -- Mwalcoff 23:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I discussed this at length with another user above. I brought up a number of examples, including Wimbledon. And I purposely created a section which is now called "tournament name", which addresses these concern and any "controversy" surrounding the name. Bssc81 05:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
"The British Open" may be an unofficial name, but it certainly is not "incorrect." - No, the name "British Open IS incorrect, as the open has been held outside Britain (in Northern Island). Therefore, if anything, it should be the U.K. Open if people are going to be pedantic and demand accuracy.
~~WTF? Northern Ireland is BRITISH!~~
Various golfers' biographies on Wikipedia (for instance Tiger Woods), refer to both The Open Championship and the British Open. Even if it is accepted that 'British Open' is an acceptable form (which personally I don't, but I seem to be outnumbered), shouldn't the articles at least be consistent within themselves, and use just one name; if for nothing else, then to avoid confusion? (I'd suggest the official one, natch) Lidz 21:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The articles don't have to be consistent. The 2 terms can both be used interchangeably. Personally I prefer the term British Open (even though it's not the official name), to distinguish it from the US Open. Beggining golfers and non-golfers could be confused when they go to a site, and it just refers to an Open Championship. They wouldn't know which one the article is reffering to.
Why such upheaval over British Open? If we have to have an article on wikipedia entitled "Ice Hockey" to avoid confusion among the British than surely "British Open" is acceptable to avoid confusion among non-British as well. You can't have your cake and eat it too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.26.29 ( talk) 18:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The claim that the Open Championship is the most prestigious of the majors needs to be either justified with a reference or removed. So too the claim that it offers the highest prize money. These articles are far too important to be marred by the sort of jingoistic nonsense evident in this discussion page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.35.152 ( talk) 16:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC).
The statement is qualified. (1) It says "to many" (which is true) and says why (it is the oldest Major). Seems OK to me. PaddyBriggs 17:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's silly to say it's the most prestigious; all four are important. Supertigerman 17:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It didn't say that is IS the most prestigous - just that many think it to be so. PaddyBriggs 17:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
British Open... that's what we call it here in America. Let the other language versions of Wiki call it what they want. -- SmackingMonkeys ( talk) 05:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)!!!
Then it would be wrong - it is officially called The Open Championship, regardless of what the media in another country call it. It's fine as it is, it is enough to point out in the article that it is referred to as 'British Open' outside the UK. See the endless circular discussion on this topic elsewhere, but the article must remain titled 'The Open Championship' otherwise it ceases to be an encyclopaedia (UK spelling used purposely) ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 17:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Not intending to rehash all the old debates above. As an American, I can certainly understand the confusion because we were simply never exposed to the official name and it sounds so ambiguous upon first hearing.
That said, I was noticing in the 2009 American broadcasts that they were starting to embrace "The Open Championship" in their television graphics and reporting. Anyone else notice this? Did the tournament request this? Cheers. DavidRF ( talk) 15:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if the R&A have suggested to the US PGA that the correct label be used. I have also noticed on recent American coverage that 'The Open Championship' has been used in graphics and discussion. I think this is a good development: are the Americans finally getting their heads around the usage of the correct title? Ds1994 ( talk) 19:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Mark Twain's real name is Samuel Clemens, but everyone knows him as Mark Twain, hence wikipedia has that for the main title. Roland Garros is the proper name for the French Open, but it's called French Open here because the vast majority of people know it by that name. Now we get to the Brtisih open and surprise, surprise the rules that apply to the USA, France and the rest of the planet, do not apply here because of some kind of British bias. This is ridiculous. Grow up. The world calls it the British open, as far as the title goes that's all that matters. We can't have different rules for Brtish articles than we have for the rest of the world, sorry 66.190.31.229 ( talk) 11:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
you mean AMERICA calls it 'The British Open'... that old charity song was right then... 'We Are The World' (!) No - YOU grow up, it is called The Open Championship and that's the end of it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 17:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
OK then if you're so sure the majority verdict should rule... the article on West Ham's ground is titled 'the Boleyn Ground' (its true name) when the place is almost universally known as Upton Park among football fans (and don't say that I mean 'soccer' - that WILL get you a howl of derision!)Should that be changed to 'Upton Park'? I don't think so either, and this should and must remain The Open Championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 18:08, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Then you're wrong, whether or not you care about West Ham, the article for their ground is correctly titled as is this one. 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 06:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
The 'ridiculous name' that it's actually known as officially, you mean. BTW the R&A is Scottish, so that blows up your assertion that nobody uses it 'outside of England'. You're the one doing the 'dictating', nobody else. 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 06:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. I wish Americans would stop using the term 'England' when referring to Scotland, or Great Britain, or even the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland for that matter. The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews is a SCOTTISH institution. When will you Americans ever get to grips with the basic fundamentals of this basic constitutional set-up? Ds1994 ( talk) 18:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Whatever about the questionable naming of this article, the statement in the lead that the Open is "often referred to as the British Open outside the UK" wrongly implies that it is unusual to refer to the competition as the British Open within the UK. Limiting a Google search to just the .uk domain, Google returns almost equal results for "British Open" as for "Open Championships".) See: site:uk "British Open" v. site:uk "Open Championship".) — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 13:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
"PO" is dotted around many golf articles but with no indication what it means. It should really use an ABBR html tag too. Macgroover ( talk) 03:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
The Trophies list currently omits the Silver Salver, which were just awarded to Phil Mickelson and Dustin Johnston as runners-up today. Oddly, the website for the Open also omits mention of the Salver. Can anybody add information for this trophy to the article? PK T(alk) 17:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
In the History section, it is stated: "During this period [1948 to 1958], The Open often had a schedule conflict with the match-play PGA Championship, which meant that Ben Hogan, the best American golfer at this time, competed in The Open just once, in 1953 at Carnoustie, a tournament he won."
The statement is correct about the scheduling conflict in 1953, vague about how "often" this occurred (and that's not easy to find out), and false about the alleged conflicts having any bearing on how often Ben Hogan played the Open. The fact is that after his crippling accident in 1949, Hogan's legs could not take the rigors of the PGA Championship (the match play format required several 36-hole days), so he NEVER played the PGA during the 1950's (he resumed playing it after it reverted back to stroke play). He could have played the Open every year, if he had wanted to, but most US pros of that era skipped it, because although it had history and tradition, it paid far less than most US events, to the point that even winning it might not cover the high travel expenses. Davexvi ( talk) 02:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Born April 20, 1851, Won Open Sept. 23, 1868. So age is 17 years 5 months 3 days. 30+31+30+31+31+3=156 so 17 years and 156 days. Some sources say 17 years 5 months 8 days, 17 years 161 days or even 17 years 181 days. All very confusing.Nigej 08:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I made this change at 1871 in sports#Golf. Its second half (bold underscore) resolves one inconsistency that I observed regarding this main article.
My change regarding Prestwick's role conforms with this main article --which I suppose correct; if not then both pages now need correction.
Did controversy --about jurisdiction, I suppose-- forestalled the tournament in 1871? Both these pages say so but Prestwick Golf Club#Originates The Open Championship does not mention any controversy. Instead "Young Tom was entitled under the conditions of the competition to keep [the Belt], so there was no prize to play for in 1871, and hence no Open.[1]" This inconsistency (it seems to me) or ambiguity about the tournament's temporary end in 1870 should be resolved somewhere among the three pages.
-- P64 ( talk) 23:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Every year from May to July a number of people change the initial sentence which reads: "The Open Championship, or simply The Open (often referred to as the British Open), ...". Many of these edits are by people who are new to Wikiepdia editing. Below are a few notes as to why the initial sentence is as it is.
The event is officially called "The Open Championship". However the official website often uses the term "The Open".
The English language version of Wikipedia has to cover the whole world: US, UK, Australia, India, China, etc.
For events like this Wikipedia gives "home field advantage", so that, since the event takes place in the UK, we use British English, UK conventions about dates, etc. Since "The Open Championship/The Open" usage is much more common than the "British Open" usage in the UK, the article also uses "The Open Championship/The Open" usage.
The initial sentence mentions the use of the term "British Open", since this is very common worldwide. Some editors have wanted to specify lists of countries which use either term: eg. always called the British Open outside the UK, called the British Open in the USA, but these are inappropriate. It is simpler not to be too specific.
The final point is whether the initial sentence should say "sometimes referred to as the British Open", "often referred to as the British Open" or "generally referred to as the British Open", all of which have been suggested. Worldwide the use of British Open is more common than The Open Championship/The Open so "sometimes" is inappropriate. "generally" is too strong since it implies that the term British Open is dominant everywhere.
Nigej 14:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
For Tommy Armour & Jock Hutchison there are 2 nationalities given but in List of men's major championships winning golfers it has both their wins for USA. Whats going on? Perfectamundo ( talk) 00:42, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Since it can be accurately stated that the tournament is held the weekend of the 3rd Friday in July, is there any reason for the article not to indicate that somewhere in the text? MrArticleOne ( talk) 19:44, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I would like to make a minor style change to the opening sentence, but there is a hidden note that any change to it must be discussed on the talk page. Here's my suggestion: Change:
The Open Championship, or simply The Open (often referred to as the British Open), is...
to
The Open Championship, often referred to as The Open or the British Open, is...
in order to avoid the awkward use of both commas and parentheses to set apart related phrases and to improve the readability. Gnome de plume ( talk) 12:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
There have been a number of changes made recently by a user who thinks that a playoff for prize money should be reflected in the positions. A playoff for the championship is one thing but this is very different. Personally I think the recent changes are a mistake. Nigej ( talk) 07:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Can you please view the individual years of the open championship there was a playoff for 2nd and 3rd places in the years 1870,1879,1888 and 1891. There were T2nd places in 1884,1890 and finally 1892 it's simple to follow if you view each years championship it is clearly defined — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.172.129 ( talk) 15:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd was the prize money you won back in those days what would be the point of having the playoff otherwise ?. Have you actually viewed each of the championships I have listed individually ?. In relation to the playoffs or T2nd finishes they are all sourced in the particular years we are talking about ok? . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.172.129 ( talk) 15:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
But if you look at the individual years on wiki there are newspaper articles which credit 2nd and 3rd places due to playoffs maybe this is not widely known do you want to take a look at it ?. If there was 2nd and 3rd place playoffs we should get it right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.207.126 ( talk) 16:50, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
On the 1891 wikipedia open page it clearly gives two sources for 2nd and 3rd place playoffs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.207.126 ( talk) 16:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Who said I am a newcomer I do lots of research I only came across these 2nd and 3rd place playoffs by accident there are also sources to back up these claims. I just stumbled across the information ok ?. There is actually a newspaper article from one of the years listed which says the playoff was for 2nd and 3rd places. Can we have a look at this ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.146.211 ( talk) 13:12, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Personally I'm extremely doubtful about the claim that the name has always been The Open Championship. When I go to the British Newspaper Archive (which contains countless 19th century British newspapers) and search for "Open Championship" and golf, I get absolutely nothing until one entry in 1883, two in 1888 and then more and more as time goes on. Certainly by the time the R&A took over running the event in 1920 it was The Open Championship. I suspect the claim is an attempt by the R&A to claim a continuity of the name which does have any real historical basis. It was The Challenge Belt, The Championship, the winner was the Champion golfer of the Year - all these are found in early newspapers but The Open Championship - absolutely nothing. Nigej ( talk) 21:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I notice Jim Barnes is labelled as American in all Open articles (although for the count of wins by nationality he is English). In all other wikipedia pages (both other majors, and his page), he is down as English. His world golf HoF profile has 'He immigrated to San Francisco in 1906, but never became an American citizen, remaining an intensely patriotic Cornishman." http://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/jim-barnes/. The Open website has him as American though https://www.theopen.com/Heritage/PreviousOpens#!/1925/Prestwick. Although the Open website also had Vardon as English, and many players as "British", so I am proposing we ignore what the Open website says in terms of nationality and change him to English across the board? Jopal22 ( talk) 15:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps the correct course for the current year should be on site. 2A01:4C8:1428:CF92:1:2:55DE:BE28 ( talk) 16:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 04:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The Open Championship → The Open – I've looked everywhere on the site and for the life of me I can't find it called "The Open Championship" anywhere. It is certainly often called the " British Open" but not officially "The Open Championship." Sponsors like Mastercard and The Open Accommodation Bureau or the BBC use "The Open." It should not be the title of the article but simply an alternate name in use. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC) Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
So what we are saying is that because the states / North America has a larger population and since they call the tournament by a wrong name and since Google hits are the world standard. Then this "factual" webpage should go against the only official name for the tournament Hamishcm ( talk) 15:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
@Fyunck, sorry you misunderstood my point. It will only ever have the name "THE OPEN" Hamishcm ( talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
I have heard people call it the st andrews open....and since we are just making crap names up. I think you should also include this name. Hamishcm ( talk) 21:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
You are reflecting f all. By misinforming, all you are doing is encouraging more people to be wrong. Let stick to facts... Hamishcm ( talk) 21:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
How many hits for the non made up name? Hamishcm ( talk) 15:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Olso, any credible media sources? Hamishcm ( talk) 15:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Apart from the name of the Tournament....... Hamishcm ( talk) 20:53, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Is this sentence accurate: "It is called The Open because it is in theory "open" to all, i.e. professional and amateur golfers".
In theory is it open to all or is it in theory just open to all male golfers? ( Fran Bosh ( talk) 12:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC))
The "preview page" pop-up is not working for the link to the Wikipedia page for "The R&A" (at the bottom of the first paragraph). The little box shows up but it is blank. Kitchenknight ( talk) 17:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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The article was edited to say the event is an official money event on the Japan Golf Tour. Their website (at www.jgto.org) does not indicate that this event is on their schedule. I don't know how else to verify if it is an official money event on the JGT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.42.16.135 ( talk) 02:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Any techy Wiki people have any idea why the title of this is replacing the word "Open_" with "concat"??? -- John Owens 15:36 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
This could be moved to The Open Championship. The article states that the term British Open in North America; since this encyclopedia is not an American one, the official term could be used. -- Emsworth 03:39, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
Bear in mind it's not a British encyclopedia either.--Buckboard 09:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Many of the comments below, while arguing that using the British Open in reference is completely incorrect, make weak arguments based on their incorrect usage of the formal titles of the other 4 majors. There is no tournament formally called the The Masters, but there is one formally named the Masters Tournament. There is no tournament formally called the US Open, but there is one formally named the United States Open Championship. Arguing for referencing tournaments by their formal names will make for stodgy reading. Using short hand names, such as The Masters, the US Open, and British Open, are in common usage. British Open was used as recently as today (23 July 2006) by the Associated Press article, Three of a kind: Tiger comes up clutch to win third British, 11th major.
For the most part, the British prefer The Open Championship because the language singles out their tournament. It's THE Championship. Much of this debate is really over the battle for which of the 4 majors is, THE Major. In the United States, the Masters Tournament is considered the greatest tournament in golf. In Europe The Open Championship is considered the greatest tournament in golf. Stressing the formal name of The Open Championship is a constant reminder of one of the biggest claims to The Open Championship's greatness: it was first. (The Masters Tournament may owe some part of its eminence for a similar reason: its regularly called, THE Masters. Strangely enough, Bobby Jones fought against this short name for years, insisting it being called by its formal name, the Augusta National Invitation Tournament, until he finally caved in and changed the name to, the Masters Tournament. ) For similar reasons, Americans are unlikely to insist on such formality---besides the practical need to distinguish it from its US counterpart.
Being an American, I see nothing wrong with using the phrase, "the US and British Opens", for short-hand for the two countries' open golf tournaments---but if this does annoy you, and you must 'fix' such a phrase, please maintain cosistency and use "The Open Championship and the U.S. Open Championship," instead of applying a double-standard and simply changing it to, "The Open Championship and the US Open".
-- Unsigned comment by 65.42.16.135.
You seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The Open Championship is not the European title it is the title of the tournement. The Open was the first tournement of its type anywhere so therefore didn't need a qualifier. It is also never refered to as the claret jug (as you put in your edit comment), that is refering to the trophy itself. There is also a diference between shortened names, such as "The Open" or "U.S. Open", and refering to this as the "British Open". It isn't the "American PGA" or "U.S. Masters" because the first of their kind never need extra qualification. While it will always be a side effect of ignorance that such a qualifier will be added regarding The Open. This is encyclopedia and should always use the correct name in its full or shortened version. josh ( talk) 03:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
It is probably fair comment to suggest that the Open is known as the British Open around the world and no doubt numerous media references can produced to substantiate this. However Wikipedia is not a dictionary (which is descriptive) but an encyclopedia and is there to inform and educate. It would be remiss not to note the use of the term "British Open" because it occurs but to suggest this is correct would be misleading. Again to rely upon media sources as justification given their known ability to be inaccurate is a somewhat weak argument. A comparison that might be appropriate would be the description of "tsunami" as "tidal waves". The former were often incorrectly described as the latter and while it might be appropriate to note this usage it should be noted to be incorrect. It is through education that the correct usage has become more common. Wikipedia likewise should not continue to promote an incorrect description of the Open.
Referring to the 'The Open Championship' as the 'British Open' is incorrect, as Josh illustrates above. It is simply called 'The 'Open Championship' because it was the first official golf tournament of any kind held anywhere in the world. It is as simple as that. People can refer to it anyway they like, but the correct terminlogy is 'The Open Championship'. Ds1994 ( talk) 11:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
PJB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.231.233 ( talk) 09:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
It is suggested above there is no such tournament formally called the US Open. If you visit the official site for the US Open ( [1] ) you will note the term used is "U.S. Open". Further in the historical notes under "History" the site advises "On Oct. 4, 1895, the first U.S. Open Championship was conducted by the United States Golf Association on the nine-hole course of Newport (R.I.) Golf and Country Club" - my emphasis added. You finally note that at the bottom of the page the registered marks are "U.S. Open" adn "U.S. Open Championship". It would therefore seem correct to refer to the this championship as the "U.S. Open"
PJB 86.143.231.233 ( talk) 13:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I've set up a William Rogers disambiguation page and find there's a golfer Bill Rogers. Can anyone supply any details on him so I can add to my list? I've changed the link on this page to Bill Rogers (golfer) in the interim. PedanticallySpeaking 19:12, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)
The 1939 champion was certainly British, and I've found hints that he was English on the internet, but no proof. Does anyone know for sure? Wincoote 17:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
it is not incorrect to say british open, just unofficial. if one were to say "who won the open in 2001?" no one would know which event was being asked about. it is the open and british is simply a distinguisher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.201.133.237 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 1 August 2005
It may seem a bit pedantic, but I don’t think that it is. In an encyclopaedia we should aim for accuracy and identify erroneous use. The four majors are correctly called “The Open Championship”; the “US Open”; the “Masters” and the “US PGA Championship”. It is as incorrect to call “The Open” the “British Open” as it would be to call the “Masters” the “US Masters”. However it is true that many (in the United States in particular) do refer to “The Open” as the “British Open” and we should acknowledge that reality in the Wiki entry, - but we must also point out that such usage is incorrect.
PaddyBriggs
07:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
As someone who lives in St. Andrews and works in the golfing industry the notion that "fans and media" used the term "British Open" as an informal usage is incorrect. I have never heard anyone, other than US citizens, call it anything other than "The Open". The google search results mentioned by Gene Nygaard are entirely misleading as when I check the option to find UK sites only for "British Open" and sort the results by relevance there are not only very few which relate to golf but of those that do they have .com suffixes and may well be foreign companies with UK based sites.
If wikipedia is to to be trusted then there should be a note in the introduction that states that the use of the term "British Open" is inacurate, irrelevant of its common usage. Veracity is surely the point of an encyclopaedia but then the irony of the fact that Wikipedia uses the US spelling of the word itself may give us some clue as to where the cultural power behind wikipedia lies
Let us settle this irritating issue once and for all. The name of the tournament is The Open Championship. It's been around for some 146 years and has been called The Open for some 146 years. It is a famous, prestigious, old tournament and accordingly deserves to be called by its proper name. If some other country or organisation wishes to hold a tournament with an open format and wishes to call it so, it'll just have to play second-fiddle and have another pronoun or adjective attached. To elaborate:, there are many such tournament in golf already, the second oldest of which is The Canadian Open; there are also other tournaments like The Scottish Open, The English Open, The Houston Open, The China Open, the South African Airways Open and even the U.S. Open. The one Open that gets to be called THE OPEN is The Open Championship --- it was first, it has the most pedigree and anyway that is its official name.
Let us deepen the anlysis a bit here. It is quite obvious that everyone in the world knows the The Masters is the one held at Augusta, USA. It is called The Masters [notice "THE" Masters]. There is a long list of other Masters tournaments, like the European Masters, the Singapore Masters, the Britsih Masters and the Qatar Masters. But only one deserves to be called THE MASTERS.
Similarly, only one Open gets to be called THE OPEN. Some have proferred that the reason The Open is referred to as the British open is to distinguish it from The US Open --- this is a thought that's just dripping in American insularity! They have it all backwards: the reason it's called the U.S. Open is to distinguish it from The Open! [In any event, the proper parallel analogy would have be the U.K. Open, n'est pas? Or perhaps then the American Open?]
American TV will just have to swallow the chicken bone that's stuck in its throat. THE OPEN cannot ever play second to The U.S. Open. Now stop the madness.
"reactionaries": name-calling. That's why the above poster said "ap(t)ly" named. That and the opening comment to which you replied were both, frankly, destructive to discussion on articles. As a matter for debate, THE OPEN can and does "play second" to the U.S. Open. But all of that is irrelevant to the issue of what to term it here. Allegiance and nationality ARE irrelevant to ANY discussion in editing Wikipedia. --Buckboard 09:52, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
It's is really very simple indeed. The tournament's title is "The Open Championship" and it has always been called this and always will be. However it is common practice by some to refer to the tournament as the "British Open" - especially (but not only) in the USA. There is nothing offensive about this solecism, but it is wrong. So Wiki needs to reflect what is correct ("The Open Championship") but also acknowledge the common practice ("British Open") - whilst pointing out that such usage is an error and suggesting a reason ("To avoid confusion with the US Open" and/or "ignorance"). PaddyBriggs 11:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I only started this discussion as an experiment in exposing Americans' will to fight tooth and nail about something that doesn't really matter. How telling it is that the slightest reduction in nationalistic stature (self-perceived!) or afront to their colonistic sensibilities sends Americans into arguments this lenghty, full of bleatings that Wikepedia is somehow an American idea and that there are universal truths in America. Goodness - try to act with more grace than a transvestitie getting its wig ripped off at a dinner party. Please let us strive here for truth and accuracy. And keep in mind: insularity is not attractive. Despite the fact that Americans are so emminently lovable and admirable in so many ways, I find this whole thing is now stuck in my throat. Oh well, there's always good golf to watch. I wonder if Woods can win the American PGA, then the Augusta Masters, then the Yankee Open before he wins The British for the third consequtive time. DocEss 12:43, 22 July 2006 (MDT)
Can't we get a header picture that doesnt have a Rolex logo on it? -- 81.105.251.160 03:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been to several Opens and have never seen any signs saying 'This way to the British Open' nor any references to a 'British Open' in souvenir programmes or indeed in the official website opengolf.com. So whilst the Americans and anyone else can call it the British Open if they wish, it still doesn't mean that it is not an inaccurate title. Catchpole 10:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Just because 300 million people use a name doesn't mean its the right name, it would be like trying to change Mumbai back to Bombay. You are perfectly entitled to call the Open by whatever name you wish, just don't imply its the right or official name. Catchpole 06:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Dude, Americans don't call it ice hockey. we call it hockey too.
Today (July, 26th, 2006) I added a column detailing the 1st place prize money. This amount is given in UK Pound Sterling (for obvious reasons). However, people may want to see the conversion to USD as well. What do you think? Are there any wiki functions that can perform simple conversions like this -- so no one has to convert each one by hand?
I was just curious if you thought a USD conversion was worthwile. Given the tradition of the tournament and its location I believe that it should stay in pound sterling. So I think it is settled... Pounds. Ok.
There are plenty of choices of words that could be used (a) To record, accurately, that The Open Championship is sometimes referred to as the "British Open" (sic) and (b) that such usage is mistaken, erroneous, incorrect (or whatever). I don't care which word is used (or any other that Roget might suggest) but one of them must be if Wiki is correctly to record this fact. My latest revison uses "incorrectly" - can we leave it at that??!! PaddyBriggs 09:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It is not a "nickname" which can only be applied to persons. It is a
solecism. That many use the term is not in dispute. That they are wrong is equally true. To the correspondant above who hasn't the courtesy to identify him(her)self I can only say this. The tournament is the oldest in golf. It is correctly called "The Open Championship" any other descriptor is incorrect.
PaddyBriggs
16:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
If anything but the official name of something was wrong, then it would be wrong to say Tiger Woods, wrong to say US or America instead of the United States of America, wrong to say the R&A, and wrong to say the US Open instead of the Uniteed States Open Championship. And if a large number of people did call it the drucken duck tournament, then it would be a correct (but informal) title.
I recently removed a link to this site from this article, since it seemed like a blatant advertising link (it was even inserted into the text of the article, not as an External Link). I ran across something similar on another page though, and indeed it appears the address 195.92.35.134 (and then the user Newmac1) added a similar link to a number of golf course pages. Should they all just be removed, or moved to External Links? The site looks potentially interesting but is new and without much additional content at this point. Not too many places link to it according to Google. Carl Lindberg 15:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
If the R&A (the organizer of the British Open) considered "the British Open" to be "incorrect," it -- not Wikipedia users -- would demand people stop using that name. Generally, trademark owners are not shy about making sure people get a name right. Any ESPN person who failed to call the
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl (or whatever it is now) by its official name would be in hot water. But ABC, the British Open's American TV partner, has always called it "the British Open." If the R&A had something against the use of that name, it would demand ABC stop using it.
Furthermore, a search of the US Patent & Trademark Office's database finds that Championship Committee Merchandising, the company that handles merchandizing for the Royal & Ancient, has trademarked "British Open" for use on umbrellas and clothing in the U.S.
It's clear that while the tournament organizers may prefer that people say "the Open Championship," it has come to accept that people outside of Britain call it something different.
"The British Open" may be an unofficial name, but it certainly is not "incorrect."
Also note that our article on " The Championships, Wimbledon" does not claim that the widespread use of the word "Wimbledon" to refer to the tournament itself is "incorrect." -- Mwalcoff 23:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I discussed this at length with another user above. I brought up a number of examples, including Wimbledon. And I purposely created a section which is now called "tournament name", which addresses these concern and any "controversy" surrounding the name. Bssc81 05:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
"The British Open" may be an unofficial name, but it certainly is not "incorrect." - No, the name "British Open IS incorrect, as the open has been held outside Britain (in Northern Island). Therefore, if anything, it should be the U.K. Open if people are going to be pedantic and demand accuracy.
~~WTF? Northern Ireland is BRITISH!~~
Various golfers' biographies on Wikipedia (for instance Tiger Woods), refer to both The Open Championship and the British Open. Even if it is accepted that 'British Open' is an acceptable form (which personally I don't, but I seem to be outnumbered), shouldn't the articles at least be consistent within themselves, and use just one name; if for nothing else, then to avoid confusion? (I'd suggest the official one, natch) Lidz 21:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The articles don't have to be consistent. The 2 terms can both be used interchangeably. Personally I prefer the term British Open (even though it's not the official name), to distinguish it from the US Open. Beggining golfers and non-golfers could be confused when they go to a site, and it just refers to an Open Championship. They wouldn't know which one the article is reffering to.
Why such upheaval over British Open? If we have to have an article on wikipedia entitled "Ice Hockey" to avoid confusion among the British than surely "British Open" is acceptable to avoid confusion among non-British as well. You can't have your cake and eat it too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.26.29 ( talk) 18:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The claim that the Open Championship is the most prestigious of the majors needs to be either justified with a reference or removed. So too the claim that it offers the highest prize money. These articles are far too important to be marred by the sort of jingoistic nonsense evident in this discussion page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.35.152 ( talk) 16:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC).
The statement is qualified. (1) It says "to many" (which is true) and says why (it is the oldest Major). Seems OK to me. PaddyBriggs 17:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's silly to say it's the most prestigious; all four are important. Supertigerman 17:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It didn't say that is IS the most prestigous - just that many think it to be so. PaddyBriggs 17:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
British Open... that's what we call it here in America. Let the other language versions of Wiki call it what they want. -- SmackingMonkeys ( talk) 05:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)!!!
Then it would be wrong - it is officially called The Open Championship, regardless of what the media in another country call it. It's fine as it is, it is enough to point out in the article that it is referred to as 'British Open' outside the UK. See the endless circular discussion on this topic elsewhere, but the article must remain titled 'The Open Championship' otherwise it ceases to be an encyclopaedia (UK spelling used purposely) ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 17:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Not intending to rehash all the old debates above. As an American, I can certainly understand the confusion because we were simply never exposed to the official name and it sounds so ambiguous upon first hearing.
That said, I was noticing in the 2009 American broadcasts that they were starting to embrace "The Open Championship" in their television graphics and reporting. Anyone else notice this? Did the tournament request this? Cheers. DavidRF ( talk) 15:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if the R&A have suggested to the US PGA that the correct label be used. I have also noticed on recent American coverage that 'The Open Championship' has been used in graphics and discussion. I think this is a good development: are the Americans finally getting their heads around the usage of the correct title? Ds1994 ( talk) 19:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Mark Twain's real name is Samuel Clemens, but everyone knows him as Mark Twain, hence wikipedia has that for the main title. Roland Garros is the proper name for the French Open, but it's called French Open here because the vast majority of people know it by that name. Now we get to the Brtisih open and surprise, surprise the rules that apply to the USA, France and the rest of the planet, do not apply here because of some kind of British bias. This is ridiculous. Grow up. The world calls it the British open, as far as the title goes that's all that matters. We can't have different rules for Brtish articles than we have for the rest of the world, sorry 66.190.31.229 ( talk) 11:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
you mean AMERICA calls it 'The British Open'... that old charity song was right then... 'We Are The World' (!) No - YOU grow up, it is called The Open Championship and that's the end of it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 17:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
OK then if you're so sure the majority verdict should rule... the article on West Ham's ground is titled 'the Boleyn Ground' (its true name) when the place is almost universally known as Upton Park among football fans (and don't say that I mean 'soccer' - that WILL get you a howl of derision!)Should that be changed to 'Upton Park'? I don't think so either, and this should and must remain The Open Championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 18:08, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Then you're wrong, whether or not you care about West Ham, the article for their ground is correctly titled as is this one. 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 06:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
The 'ridiculous name' that it's actually known as officially, you mean. BTW the R&A is Scottish, so that blows up your assertion that nobody uses it 'outside of England'. You're the one doing the 'dictating', nobody else. 94.194.13.221 ( talk) 06:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. I wish Americans would stop using the term 'England' when referring to Scotland, or Great Britain, or even the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland for that matter. The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews is a SCOTTISH institution. When will you Americans ever get to grips with the basic fundamentals of this basic constitutional set-up? Ds1994 ( talk) 18:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Whatever about the questionable naming of this article, the statement in the lead that the Open is "often referred to as the British Open outside the UK" wrongly implies that it is unusual to refer to the competition as the British Open within the UK. Limiting a Google search to just the .uk domain, Google returns almost equal results for "British Open" as for "Open Championships".) See: site:uk "British Open" v. site:uk "Open Championship".) — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 13:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
"PO" is dotted around many golf articles but with no indication what it means. It should really use an ABBR html tag too. Macgroover ( talk) 03:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
The Trophies list currently omits the Silver Salver, which were just awarded to Phil Mickelson and Dustin Johnston as runners-up today. Oddly, the website for the Open also omits mention of the Salver. Can anybody add information for this trophy to the article? PK T(alk) 17:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
In the History section, it is stated: "During this period [1948 to 1958], The Open often had a schedule conflict with the match-play PGA Championship, which meant that Ben Hogan, the best American golfer at this time, competed in The Open just once, in 1953 at Carnoustie, a tournament he won."
The statement is correct about the scheduling conflict in 1953, vague about how "often" this occurred (and that's not easy to find out), and false about the alleged conflicts having any bearing on how often Ben Hogan played the Open. The fact is that after his crippling accident in 1949, Hogan's legs could not take the rigors of the PGA Championship (the match play format required several 36-hole days), so he NEVER played the PGA during the 1950's (he resumed playing it after it reverted back to stroke play). He could have played the Open every year, if he had wanted to, but most US pros of that era skipped it, because although it had history and tradition, it paid far less than most US events, to the point that even winning it might not cover the high travel expenses. Davexvi ( talk) 02:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Born April 20, 1851, Won Open Sept. 23, 1868. So age is 17 years 5 months 3 days. 30+31+30+31+31+3=156 so 17 years and 156 days. Some sources say 17 years 5 months 8 days, 17 years 161 days or even 17 years 181 days. All very confusing.Nigej 08:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I made this change at 1871 in sports#Golf. Its second half (bold underscore) resolves one inconsistency that I observed regarding this main article.
My change regarding Prestwick's role conforms with this main article --which I suppose correct; if not then both pages now need correction.
Did controversy --about jurisdiction, I suppose-- forestalled the tournament in 1871? Both these pages say so but Prestwick Golf Club#Originates The Open Championship does not mention any controversy. Instead "Young Tom was entitled under the conditions of the competition to keep [the Belt], so there was no prize to play for in 1871, and hence no Open.[1]" This inconsistency (it seems to me) or ambiguity about the tournament's temporary end in 1870 should be resolved somewhere among the three pages.
-- P64 ( talk) 23:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Every year from May to July a number of people change the initial sentence which reads: "The Open Championship, or simply The Open (often referred to as the British Open), ...". Many of these edits are by people who are new to Wikiepdia editing. Below are a few notes as to why the initial sentence is as it is.
The event is officially called "The Open Championship". However the official website often uses the term "The Open".
The English language version of Wikipedia has to cover the whole world: US, UK, Australia, India, China, etc.
For events like this Wikipedia gives "home field advantage", so that, since the event takes place in the UK, we use British English, UK conventions about dates, etc. Since "The Open Championship/The Open" usage is much more common than the "British Open" usage in the UK, the article also uses "The Open Championship/The Open" usage.
The initial sentence mentions the use of the term "British Open", since this is very common worldwide. Some editors have wanted to specify lists of countries which use either term: eg. always called the British Open outside the UK, called the British Open in the USA, but these are inappropriate. It is simpler not to be too specific.
The final point is whether the initial sentence should say "sometimes referred to as the British Open", "often referred to as the British Open" or "generally referred to as the British Open", all of which have been suggested. Worldwide the use of British Open is more common than The Open Championship/The Open so "sometimes" is inappropriate. "generally" is too strong since it implies that the term British Open is dominant everywhere.
Nigej 14:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
For Tommy Armour & Jock Hutchison there are 2 nationalities given but in List of men's major championships winning golfers it has both their wins for USA. Whats going on? Perfectamundo ( talk) 00:42, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Since it can be accurately stated that the tournament is held the weekend of the 3rd Friday in July, is there any reason for the article not to indicate that somewhere in the text? MrArticleOne ( talk) 19:44, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I would like to make a minor style change to the opening sentence, but there is a hidden note that any change to it must be discussed on the talk page. Here's my suggestion: Change:
The Open Championship, or simply The Open (often referred to as the British Open), is...
to
The Open Championship, often referred to as The Open or the British Open, is...
in order to avoid the awkward use of both commas and parentheses to set apart related phrases and to improve the readability. Gnome de plume ( talk) 12:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
There have been a number of changes made recently by a user who thinks that a playoff for prize money should be reflected in the positions. A playoff for the championship is one thing but this is very different. Personally I think the recent changes are a mistake. Nigej ( talk) 07:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Can you please view the individual years of the open championship there was a playoff for 2nd and 3rd places in the years 1870,1879,1888 and 1891. There were T2nd places in 1884,1890 and finally 1892 it's simple to follow if you view each years championship it is clearly defined — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.172.129 ( talk) 15:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd was the prize money you won back in those days what would be the point of having the playoff otherwise ?. Have you actually viewed each of the championships I have listed individually ?. In relation to the playoffs or T2nd finishes they are all sourced in the particular years we are talking about ok? . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.172.129 ( talk) 15:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
But if you look at the individual years on wiki there are newspaper articles which credit 2nd and 3rd places due to playoffs maybe this is not widely known do you want to take a look at it ?. If there was 2nd and 3rd place playoffs we should get it right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.207.126 ( talk) 16:50, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
On the 1891 wikipedia open page it clearly gives two sources for 2nd and 3rd place playoffs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.207.126 ( talk) 16:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Who said I am a newcomer I do lots of research I only came across these 2nd and 3rd place playoffs by accident there are also sources to back up these claims. I just stumbled across the information ok ?. There is actually a newspaper article from one of the years listed which says the playoff was for 2nd and 3rd places. Can we have a look at this ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.146.211 ( talk) 13:12, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Personally I'm extremely doubtful about the claim that the name has always been The Open Championship. When I go to the British Newspaper Archive (which contains countless 19th century British newspapers) and search for "Open Championship" and golf, I get absolutely nothing until one entry in 1883, two in 1888 and then more and more as time goes on. Certainly by the time the R&A took over running the event in 1920 it was The Open Championship. I suspect the claim is an attempt by the R&A to claim a continuity of the name which does have any real historical basis. It was The Challenge Belt, The Championship, the winner was the Champion golfer of the Year - all these are found in early newspapers but The Open Championship - absolutely nothing. Nigej ( talk) 21:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I notice Jim Barnes is labelled as American in all Open articles (although for the count of wins by nationality he is English). In all other wikipedia pages (both other majors, and his page), he is down as English. His world golf HoF profile has 'He immigrated to San Francisco in 1906, but never became an American citizen, remaining an intensely patriotic Cornishman." http://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/jim-barnes/. The Open website has him as American though https://www.theopen.com/Heritage/PreviousOpens#!/1925/Prestwick. Although the Open website also had Vardon as English, and many players as "British", so I am proposing we ignore what the Open website says in terms of nationality and change him to English across the board? Jopal22 ( talk) 15:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps the correct course for the current year should be on site. 2A01:4C8:1428:CF92:1:2:55DE:BE28 ( talk) 16:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 04:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The Open Championship → The Open – I've looked everywhere on the site and for the life of me I can't find it called "The Open Championship" anywhere. It is certainly often called the " British Open" but not officially "The Open Championship." Sponsors like Mastercard and The Open Accommodation Bureau or the BBC use "The Open." It should not be the title of the article but simply an alternate name in use. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC) Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
So what we are saying is that because the states / North America has a larger population and since they call the tournament by a wrong name and since Google hits are the world standard. Then this "factual" webpage should go against the only official name for the tournament Hamishcm ( talk) 15:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
@Fyunck, sorry you misunderstood my point. It will only ever have the name "THE OPEN" Hamishcm ( talk) 21:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
I have heard people call it the st andrews open....and since we are just making crap names up. I think you should also include this name. Hamishcm ( talk) 21:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
You are reflecting f all. By misinforming, all you are doing is encouraging more people to be wrong. Let stick to facts... Hamishcm ( talk) 21:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
How many hits for the non made up name? Hamishcm ( talk) 15:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Olso, any credible media sources? Hamishcm ( talk) 15:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Apart from the name of the Tournament....... Hamishcm ( talk) 20:53, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Is this sentence accurate: "It is called The Open because it is in theory "open" to all, i.e. professional and amateur golfers".
In theory is it open to all or is it in theory just open to all male golfers? ( Fran Bosh ( talk) 12:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC))
The "preview page" pop-up is not working for the link to the Wikipedia page for "The R&A" (at the bottom of the first paragraph). The little box shows up but it is blank. Kitchenknight ( talk) 17:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)