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@ Malik Shabazz:, I'm reading the article as it is written:
I'm not sure what you're not seeing that is wrong with your edit, but what I have is 1) you wrote that MFBL "received $100 million in pledges from liberal foundations". It did not, BLM did (according to the source); 2) the BLMF is a "donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives"; 3) there is a big difference between announcing a campaign to raise and receiving a pledge, and 4) regardless that you've inaccurately taken from the source, I believe this is called WP:SYNTH. I have no problem if you write that according to The Washington Times, "The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy recently announced the formation of the Black-Led Movement Fund [BLMF], a six-year pooled donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives coalition." At least that is accurate. Kamel Tebaast 05:07, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Take a look at these sources:
They all say the same thing I wrote: The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy have set up the Black-Led Movement Fund to collect $100 million that they have pledged to the Movement for Black Lives (referred to as "a group affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement" in The Daily Caller). — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 01:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I clicked "watch this page" because the "Reception" section in particular seems biased against the organization.
The Talk criticism of the claim that MBL got $100 million seems well founded. At least the suggested attribution of the claim in text to the Washington Times seems justified, given the ideological reputation of the Times. In addition, it seems only the critics of MBL are cited.
The "demands" section is confusing: the top six do not appear to be demands, but categories or themes of demands. And why is "demands" in quotation marks? Further, it's truncated, as only two themes of demands are elaborated on.
A 'demand' about Israel is stated negatively, but the demand itself is not otherwise quoted, and no articulation of it is given. Particularly, if the word "genocide" is controversial, the demand that includes it should be quoted and explained.
EricClarion ( talk) 09:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Kamel Tebaast has been having a hissy fit since I had this article moved from The Movement for Black Lives to Movement for Black Lives on August 13, and I see today he moved it back, writing that it is the official name of the organization. So what?
Please read WP:OFFICIAL and WP:THE, two relevant essays that complement WP:TITLE, our policy on article titles. Unless sources regularly refer to "The Movement for Black Lives" (and they don't), our article should be titled simply "Movement for Black Lives".
So let's look at the article's secondary sources:
Need I go on? Kamel Tebaast, please move the article back where it belongs. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 00:21, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
References
References
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus that reliable sources generally don't include "The" as part of the name. — Amakuru ( talk) 11:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The Movement for Black Lives →
Movement for Black Lives – As explained in the preceding section, secondary sources do not use the name "The Movement for Black Lives". They use the name "Movement for Black Lives", so in accordance with
WP:THE, this article should be moved back to "Movement for Black Lives". —
Malik Shabazz
Talk/
Stalk
02:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.The grammar in the "platform" list is a bit wonky. It starts as "End the war on black people has 10 demands—to end:" and is fine up until point eight which is written as "the demilitarization of law enforcement." This phrasing suggests that the organization wants to "end the demilitarization of law enforcement" - which is clearly wrong. I suggest rephrasing the list so that it better expresses what the platform actually says.
In order for the reader to be able to truly understand what the "Movement for Black Lives" I feel as though it is important to understand the principles that it's partners, such as #BLM, follow that way the reader is able to fully comprehend how the organizations work together. Obtaining a good apprehension of what all of the movements are about is key to being able to raise awareness to interested individuals which would then allow for the membership to grow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AArciva ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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Newton3254. Peer reviewers:
Meaghanfrost,
Mfisch29.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 01:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Malik Shabazz:, I'm reading the article as it is written:
I'm not sure what you're not seeing that is wrong with your edit, but what I have is 1) you wrote that MFBL "received $100 million in pledges from liberal foundations". It did not, BLM did (according to the source); 2) the BLMF is a "donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives"; 3) there is a big difference between announcing a campaign to raise and receiving a pledge, and 4) regardless that you've inaccurately taken from the source, I believe this is called WP:SYNTH. I have no problem if you write that according to The Washington Times, "The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy recently announced the formation of the Black-Led Movement Fund [BLMF], a six-year pooled donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives coalition." At least that is accurate. Kamel Tebaast 05:07, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Take a look at these sources:
They all say the same thing I wrote: The Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy have set up the Black-Led Movement Fund to collect $100 million that they have pledged to the Movement for Black Lives (referred to as "a group affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement" in The Daily Caller). — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 01:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I clicked "watch this page" because the "Reception" section in particular seems biased against the organization.
The Talk criticism of the claim that MBL got $100 million seems well founded. At least the suggested attribution of the claim in text to the Washington Times seems justified, given the ideological reputation of the Times. In addition, it seems only the critics of MBL are cited.
The "demands" section is confusing: the top six do not appear to be demands, but categories or themes of demands. And why is "demands" in quotation marks? Further, it's truncated, as only two themes of demands are elaborated on.
A 'demand' about Israel is stated negatively, but the demand itself is not otherwise quoted, and no articulation of it is given. Particularly, if the word "genocide" is controversial, the demand that includes it should be quoted and explained.
EricClarion ( talk) 09:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Kamel Tebaast has been having a hissy fit since I had this article moved from The Movement for Black Lives to Movement for Black Lives on August 13, and I see today he moved it back, writing that it is the official name of the organization. So what?
Please read WP:OFFICIAL and WP:THE, two relevant essays that complement WP:TITLE, our policy on article titles. Unless sources regularly refer to "The Movement for Black Lives" (and they don't), our article should be titled simply "Movement for Black Lives".
So let's look at the article's secondary sources:
Need I go on? Kamel Tebaast, please move the article back where it belongs. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 00:21, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
References
References
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus that reliable sources generally don't include "The" as part of the name. — Amakuru ( talk) 11:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The Movement for Black Lives →
Movement for Black Lives – As explained in the preceding section, secondary sources do not use the name "The Movement for Black Lives". They use the name "Movement for Black Lives", so in accordance with
WP:THE, this article should be moved back to "Movement for Black Lives". —
Malik Shabazz
Talk/
Stalk
02:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.The grammar in the "platform" list is a bit wonky. It starts as "End the war on black people has 10 demands—to end:" and is fine up until point eight which is written as "the demilitarization of law enforcement." This phrasing suggests that the organization wants to "end the demilitarization of law enforcement" - which is clearly wrong. I suggest rephrasing the list so that it better expresses what the platform actually says.
In order for the reader to be able to truly understand what the "Movement for Black Lives" I feel as though it is important to understand the principles that it's partners, such as #BLM, follow that way the reader is able to fully comprehend how the organizations work together. Obtaining a good apprehension of what all of the movements are about is key to being able to raise awareness to interested individuals which would then allow for the membership to grow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AArciva ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)