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@ Freemanukem: you wrote over this section with a significantly inferior version rife with unreliable sources, unneeded information and repeated information. I would like you to restore the previous version please. Rusted AutoParts 22:40, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
«The original Matrix trilogy was jointly written and directed by Lana and his brother, Lilly.»
his??? brother??? It's ma'am!!!
187.116.91.252 ( talk) 04:50, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the lead section, before my edit, it looked like this. Per WP:LEAD, I reordered the lead section's elements as seen here to put the most noteworthy upfront, that it is a Matrix film. Reeves, the star of the franchise, was also in a second paragraph, which seemed unnecessarily late. It seemed best to identify the franchise upfront, Reeves/Moss, and Lana Wachowski's involvement. Also, I dropped mention of The Matrix Revolutions because I think it is ambiguous in indicating both out-of-universe and in-universe chronology. If there is a better way to word the out-of-universe chronology, it could be restored. Otherwise, considering how Revolutions ended, we should wait for more information about what is happening in-universe. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 21:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Should we keep the fact that Godzilla vs. Kong takes the previous spot of The Matrix 4? I'll keeping re-adding it if it gets removed because it's sourced. Zack41Attack ( talk) 01:37, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
You're right. Very well, I'll stop. But don't you realize other films that were postponed due to the pandemic have trivia at best too? THEY weren't removed. Zack41Attack ( talk) 01:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
But weren't both movies pushed back due to the pandemic? Cause I'm pretty sure they were. Plus, on the list of impacted films, it mentions Godzilla vs. Kong replaces The Matrix 4. Zack41Attack ( talk) 03:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Fine, whatever. I was only trying to explain what I saw anyway. But I now know. Zack41Attack out. Zack41Attack ( talk) 03:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I know there is a report from Yahoo! and possibly other sources of a leaked name for this film. We cannot go by leaks for naming or factual information on WP. Please do not add or move the article until this name or another name is verified by WB. -- Masem ( t) 23:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
The HBO commercial spot simply says "Matrix" but there are now promotional posters that say The Matrix 4. I am sure this film will have a full title eventually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.115.58 ( talk) 13:23, 11 May, 2021 (UTC)
This is why Screen Rant is unreliable:
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Matrix (2021 film) →
Untitled fourth Matrix film – Aside from the new logo, there has been no indication that Matrix is now the actual title of the film. Usually, a title reveal is accompanied by a studio announcement or press release. In response to a purported leak of the final title on January 30th,
WB informed Screen Rant today that the film remains untitled. Therefore, I propose that this article be renamed to Untitled fourth Matrix film in the same vein as the
Untitled third Fantastic Beasts film until the actual title is announced.
JFWillson (
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22:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 05:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Untitled fourth Matrix film →
Fourth Matrix film –
WP:PRECISION, page names should not be more precise than necessary. "Fourth Matrix film" is enough to identify the exact subject. The fact that it's untitled is just an extra detail.
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23:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I am afraid that a normal user does not have the ability to rename the article. The movie already has a name. -- Adan Universal ( talk) 20:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10838180/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_5
Can someone remove the colon. ANONYMOUS3746945937 ( talk) 18:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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Is the logo official? As far as I can tell, it's found on IMDB and a few other sites might also be using it. However, there doesn't seem to be anything to suggest this is an official logo. Also, on top of that, the logo is nominated for deletion, and the film's official title has been revealed. giftheck ( talk) 13:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. 13 in favor, 4 opposed. WP:CONSISTENT appears to be the most convincing argument to discussion participants. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 21:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The Matrix: Resurrections → ''The Matrix Resurrections'' – Franchise title convention does not include a colon, as seen in previous films The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions. JohnDiLillo ( talk) 05:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
The standard separator for the title and the subtitle (that is, in cases where both taken together don't constitute a continuing phrase) in the page name is a colon followed by a spacewhich implies that a colon might be appropriate here. I'd be leaning oppose, except for WP:CONSISTENT. PaleAqua ( talk) 05:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
+Support Just the way it's supposed to be. -- uKER ( talk) 15:05, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Beyond what Google says when you search 'Matrix 4 composer', does anybody have any sort of reliable source to back that up? Because all I've found is the IndieWire source (which states one, but not the other - https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/matrix-4-release-date-cast-plot-details/editing/) and no actual confirmation from anywhere else. Until a reliable source says one way or the other, I think that this field should be left blank. Gistech ( talk) 18:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The composers have been officially confirmed. I have added and cited this in the article. giftheck ( talk) 18:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Source: https://www.matrixresurrections.net/?synopsis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.141.201 ( talk) 13:36, 9 September, 2021 (UTC)
We don't know (also, no secondary sources) whether the film is based on Characters yet. So I removed that remark from infobox. -- Ochloese ( talk) 23:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Do we have a source for the claim that the film takes place 18 years after Revolutions, or is that just conjecture given that 18 years have passed in the real world since the release of that film? - JFWillson ( talk) 21:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
The official synopsis has been released by Warner Bros.:
In a world of two realities—everyday life and what lies behind it—Thomas Anderson will have to choose to follow the white rabbit once more. Choice, while an illusion, is still the only way in or out of the Matrix, which is stronger, more secure and more dangerous than ever before.
Source: https://www.wbawards.com/screenings/film/?film=thematrixresurrections
Should we replace the premise with this one? giftheck ( talk) 10:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
On my phone, whenever I go to this page on the regular Google browser, it shows the teaser poster, but when I click on it, it shows the official poster. Also, whenever I go to this page on Google Chrome, it shows the official poster. Weird. ObeseFriedChicken ( talk) 03:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if I'm missing something here, but the sources for the claim that "Hugo Weaving and Laurence Fishburne appear via archive footage" are both from what appears to be a Wordpress blog intended for leaks/rumors. Any reason this particular source is acceptable? Otherwise, this claim should be removed. Harrisonisdead ( talk) 20:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The FYC site for the score shows that Davis' themes are being reprised by Tykwer and Klimek. I don't want to just mention it without other opinions first, though.
Side note: the site also has a synopsis for the film too. giftheck ( talk) 16:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Nicolasburle:, can you please avoid contractions in article text, per MOS:CONTRACTIONS. Also, some of your edits have introduced grammatical errors, like "Either he or Trinity don't recognize each other" and "after the Wachowski's refuse every offer". Thank you for your copyediting work, and I hope you incorporate this feedback. Firefangledfeathers 16:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Can this source be considered as reliable? Every other article I've seen stops short of saying Groff is playing Smith, but this one outright states it. Slashfilm is not mentioned in WP:RSPSS so I don't know if this is reliable or whether it's worth waiting until something else comes along from another source to back up the claim. giftheck ( talk) 21:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
It's been confirmed. Groff is playing the character called MATT HINGES (see Yahoo entertainment article) which is an anagram for AGENT SMITH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.119.128.141 ( talk) 16:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
According to this article, the officially-released press kit explicitly states Groff is Smith and Neil Patrick-Harris is 'The Analyst'. It also gives details about Niobe and the new human city. However, I am not familiar with Screen Crush, so I don't know where it sits for reliability. giftheck ( talk) 12:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The film has no released reviews yet! Only a handful of tweeted 'reactions.' Don't say 'mixed reviews'! 2600:1007:B114:EB05:513D:45D0:7AC8:22CE ( talk) 18:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
It's been released in most parts of the world already, please, somebody, add plot. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.78.209.173 ( talk) 21:59, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think it's super urgent to have a summary added and much better to make sure whatever summary is on the page is accurate and well-written even if it means waiting a few days. SleepySappho ( talk) 00:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Some illiterate dune coon wrote the plot section, thankfully it was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.247.72 ( talk) 03:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Change the plot as it is completely wrong
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The Matrix Resurrections is set 60 years after Matrix Revolutions as opposed to the stated 20 years in the article PintoHalkat ( talk) 10:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Sati is incorrect. 2607:FEA8:C221:B200:50FA:BC12:CC0B:147C ( talk) 00:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I haven't watched the movie yet, but for all of you who have, the plot section needs work removing first-person references. BlitzkriegCat ( talk) 06:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I watched the movie and honestly the plot as it is written right now is difficult to understand and follow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.33.116.208 ( talk) 08:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I did some tidy-up of the plot, trying to make it clear, but there's something I can't figure out. I watched the film several times and I still can't grasp why Neo and Trinity being close to each other improves humanity's acceptance of the simulation. Can anyone put it into sensible words? -- uKER ( talk) 05:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Max Riemelt as Shepherd. That's wrong
Max Riemelt as Sheperd. That's correct.
I saw on the Cast of Matrix. 2A02:908:E56:3360:DCA2:DB8B:3547:DC6E ( talk) 07:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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Sati does not forbid Neo and others to save Trinity, she actually encourages it and helps them change Niobe’s mind after their first failed attempt. 147.160.149.1 ( talk) 13:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Masem: Yep, after re-reading that change, I have to agree with
the revert. However, we're now back at "The Matrix video game series based on faint memories of Neo"
, which is both ambiguous (whose faint memories?) and incomplete (the games also focus on Trinity, Morpheus, and others). Sources like
The Verge describe it with more depth: "a world-famous trilogy of video games with the same plot, characters, catchphrases, and stylistic elements as the first three Matrix films
". We don't need to go out-of-universe to that extent, but it would seem we need more than just "Neo" here. Suggestions? --
GoneIn60 (
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02:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Can anyone explain what was Smith's motivation to stop the Analyst from killing Neo and Trinity near the end? Didn't he want them dead too? -- uKER ( talk) 16:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
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@ Freemanukem: you wrote over this section with a significantly inferior version rife with unreliable sources, unneeded information and repeated information. I would like you to restore the previous version please. Rusted AutoParts 22:40, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
«The original Matrix trilogy was jointly written and directed by Lana and his brother, Lilly.»
his??? brother??? It's ma'am!!!
187.116.91.252 ( talk) 04:50, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the lead section, before my edit, it looked like this. Per WP:LEAD, I reordered the lead section's elements as seen here to put the most noteworthy upfront, that it is a Matrix film. Reeves, the star of the franchise, was also in a second paragraph, which seemed unnecessarily late. It seemed best to identify the franchise upfront, Reeves/Moss, and Lana Wachowski's involvement. Also, I dropped mention of The Matrix Revolutions because I think it is ambiguous in indicating both out-of-universe and in-universe chronology. If there is a better way to word the out-of-universe chronology, it could be restored. Otherwise, considering how Revolutions ended, we should wait for more information about what is happening in-universe. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 21:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Should we keep the fact that Godzilla vs. Kong takes the previous spot of The Matrix 4? I'll keeping re-adding it if it gets removed because it's sourced. Zack41Attack ( talk) 01:37, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
You're right. Very well, I'll stop. But don't you realize other films that were postponed due to the pandemic have trivia at best too? THEY weren't removed. Zack41Attack ( talk) 01:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
But weren't both movies pushed back due to the pandemic? Cause I'm pretty sure they were. Plus, on the list of impacted films, it mentions Godzilla vs. Kong replaces The Matrix 4. Zack41Attack ( talk) 03:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Fine, whatever. I was only trying to explain what I saw anyway. But I now know. Zack41Attack out. Zack41Attack ( talk) 03:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I know there is a report from Yahoo! and possibly other sources of a leaked name for this film. We cannot go by leaks for naming or factual information on WP. Please do not add or move the article until this name or another name is verified by WB. -- Masem ( t) 23:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
The HBO commercial spot simply says "Matrix" but there are now promotional posters that say The Matrix 4. I am sure this film will have a full title eventually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.115.58 ( talk) 13:23, 11 May, 2021 (UTC)
This is why Screen Rant is unreliable:
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtunzini1 ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( non-admin closure) Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Matrix (2021 film) →
Untitled fourth Matrix film – Aside from the new logo, there has been no indication that Matrix is now the actual title of the film. Usually, a title reveal is accompanied by a studio announcement or press release. In response to a purported leak of the final title on January 30th,
WB informed Screen Rant today that the film remains untitled. Therefore, I propose that this article be renamed to Untitled fourth Matrix film in the same vein as the
Untitled third Fantastic Beasts film until the actual title is announced.
JFWillson (
talk)
22:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 05:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Untitled fourth Matrix film →
Fourth Matrix film –
WP:PRECISION, page names should not be more precise than necessary. "Fourth Matrix film" is enough to identify the exact subject. The fact that it's untitled is just an extra detail.
Cleopatra xiaojie (
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23:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I am afraid that a normal user does not have the ability to rename the article. The movie already has a name. -- Adan Universal ( talk) 20:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10838180/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_5
Can someone remove the colon. ANONYMOUS3746945937 ( talk) 18:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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Is the logo official? As far as I can tell, it's found on IMDB and a few other sites might also be using it. However, there doesn't seem to be anything to suggest this is an official logo. Also, on top of that, the logo is nominated for deletion, and the film's official title has been revealed. giftheck ( talk) 13:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. 13 in favor, 4 opposed. WP:CONSISTENT appears to be the most convincing argument to discussion participants. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 21:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The Matrix: Resurrections → ''The Matrix Resurrections'' – Franchise title convention does not include a colon, as seen in previous films The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions. JohnDiLillo ( talk) 05:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
The standard separator for the title and the subtitle (that is, in cases where both taken together don't constitute a continuing phrase) in the page name is a colon followed by a spacewhich implies that a colon might be appropriate here. I'd be leaning oppose, except for WP:CONSISTENT. PaleAqua ( talk) 05:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
+Support Just the way it's supposed to be. -- uKER ( talk) 15:05, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Beyond what Google says when you search 'Matrix 4 composer', does anybody have any sort of reliable source to back that up? Because all I've found is the IndieWire source (which states one, but not the other - https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/matrix-4-release-date-cast-plot-details/editing/) and no actual confirmation from anywhere else. Until a reliable source says one way or the other, I think that this field should be left blank. Gistech ( talk) 18:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The composers have been officially confirmed. I have added and cited this in the article. giftheck ( talk) 18:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Source: https://www.matrixresurrections.net/?synopsis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.141.201 ( talk) 13:36, 9 September, 2021 (UTC)
We don't know (also, no secondary sources) whether the film is based on Characters yet. So I removed that remark from infobox. -- Ochloese ( talk) 23:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Do we have a source for the claim that the film takes place 18 years after Revolutions, or is that just conjecture given that 18 years have passed in the real world since the release of that film? - JFWillson ( talk) 21:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
The official synopsis has been released by Warner Bros.:
In a world of two realities—everyday life and what lies behind it—Thomas Anderson will have to choose to follow the white rabbit once more. Choice, while an illusion, is still the only way in or out of the Matrix, which is stronger, more secure and more dangerous than ever before.
Source: https://www.wbawards.com/screenings/film/?film=thematrixresurrections
Should we replace the premise with this one? giftheck ( talk) 10:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
On my phone, whenever I go to this page on the regular Google browser, it shows the teaser poster, but when I click on it, it shows the official poster. Also, whenever I go to this page on Google Chrome, it shows the official poster. Weird. ObeseFriedChicken ( talk) 03:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if I'm missing something here, but the sources for the claim that "Hugo Weaving and Laurence Fishburne appear via archive footage" are both from what appears to be a Wordpress blog intended for leaks/rumors. Any reason this particular source is acceptable? Otherwise, this claim should be removed. Harrisonisdead ( talk) 20:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The FYC site for the score shows that Davis' themes are being reprised by Tykwer and Klimek. I don't want to just mention it without other opinions first, though.
Side note: the site also has a synopsis for the film too. giftheck ( talk) 16:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Nicolasburle:, can you please avoid contractions in article text, per MOS:CONTRACTIONS. Also, some of your edits have introduced grammatical errors, like "Either he or Trinity don't recognize each other" and "after the Wachowski's refuse every offer". Thank you for your copyediting work, and I hope you incorporate this feedback. Firefangledfeathers 16:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Can this source be considered as reliable? Every other article I've seen stops short of saying Groff is playing Smith, but this one outright states it. Slashfilm is not mentioned in WP:RSPSS so I don't know if this is reliable or whether it's worth waiting until something else comes along from another source to back up the claim. giftheck ( talk) 21:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
It's been confirmed. Groff is playing the character called MATT HINGES (see Yahoo entertainment article) which is an anagram for AGENT SMITH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.119.128.141 ( talk) 16:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
According to this article, the officially-released press kit explicitly states Groff is Smith and Neil Patrick-Harris is 'The Analyst'. It also gives details about Niobe and the new human city. However, I am not familiar with Screen Crush, so I don't know where it sits for reliability. giftheck ( talk) 12:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The film has no released reviews yet! Only a handful of tweeted 'reactions.' Don't say 'mixed reviews'! 2600:1007:B114:EB05:513D:45D0:7AC8:22CE ( talk) 18:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
It's been released in most parts of the world already, please, somebody, add plot. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.78.209.173 ( talk) 21:59, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think it's super urgent to have a summary added and much better to make sure whatever summary is on the page is accurate and well-written even if it means waiting a few days. SleepySappho ( talk) 00:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Some illiterate dune coon wrote the plot section, thankfully it was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.247.72 ( talk) 03:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Sati is incorrect. 2607:FEA8:C221:B200:50FA:BC12:CC0B:147C ( talk) 00:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I haven't watched the movie yet, but for all of you who have, the plot section needs work removing first-person references. BlitzkriegCat ( talk) 06:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I watched the movie and honestly the plot as it is written right now is difficult to understand and follow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.33.116.208 ( talk) 08:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I did some tidy-up of the plot, trying to make it clear, but there's something I can't figure out. I watched the film several times and I still can't grasp why Neo and Trinity being close to each other improves humanity's acceptance of the simulation. Can anyone put it into sensible words? -- uKER ( talk) 05:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Max Riemelt as Shepherd. That's wrong
Max Riemelt as Sheperd. That's correct.
I saw on the Cast of Matrix. 2A02:908:E56:3360:DCA2:DB8B:3547:DC6E ( talk) 07:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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Sati does not forbid Neo and others to save Trinity, she actually encourages it and helps them change Niobe’s mind after their first failed attempt. 147.160.149.1 ( talk) 13:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Masem: Yep, after re-reading that change, I have to agree with
the revert. However, we're now back at "The Matrix video game series based on faint memories of Neo"
, which is both ambiguous (whose faint memories?) and incomplete (the games also focus on Trinity, Morpheus, and others). Sources like
The Verge describe it with more depth: "a world-famous trilogy of video games with the same plot, characters, catchphrases, and stylistic elements as the first three Matrix films
". We don't need to go out-of-universe to that extent, but it would seem we need more than just "Neo" here. Suggestions? --
GoneIn60 (
talk)
02:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Can anyone explain what was Smith's motivation to stop the Analyst from killing Neo and Trinity near the end? Didn't he want them dead too? -- uKER ( talk) 16:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)