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Brooke Langton did film a cameo as the wife of Kyle Chandler's character but having just returned from a sneak preview of the film, I can tell you she was not seen in the finished product, and therefore I have removed her from the cast list at the top of the page Obriensg1 04:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The movie is rife with Orientalist themes. A criticism section is in order.
This is from a weblog, but nicely summarizes racist motifs in the film:
"The Kingdom": Film Review, Kabobfest.com
"The Kingdom", the new Saudi-Arabia-we-explain-it-all action flick, from the first few seconds of the preview: a condensed panorama of minarets, missiles, angry brown eyes, and falcons, always falcons. This movie, which should be called Delta Force IV: is plain evidence that the business of entertaining America has not moved beyond Chuck Norris and Not Without My Daughter. I thought we all had agreed these were cultural embarrassments never to be repeated again? Even the worst mistakes deserve a sequel I guess.
Basically, the movie is a Middle Eastern Studies grad student's wet dream paper topic. The symbolism is so clumsy it knocks you unconscious with a club foot: the most innocuous arabs are the ones you should fear the most (24), you can never tell the good arabs from the bad arabs, the only good arab is the one who kills his own people with impunity. American military and civilian bases in Saudi Arabia are ahistorical apparitions that are good and wholesome, like baseball/ Saudi Arabia has a dark, evil history full of malice and oblique camera angles. Arabs don't know what technology is and need America to help them sort out their own internal problems. And the most parano-hygienic people on the planet are dirty, sweaty monkeys at the end of the day.
Help is welcome on this section. -- 71.227.191.140 23:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
If a US embassy is blown up, wouldn't this be a law enforcement case of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security? Does the film state why an internal US law enforcement agency gets to overstep their jurisdiction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fang Teng ( talk • contribs) 05:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
You cannot be serious. Special agents are trained in the areas you listed. Also I'm willing to bet that you've never heard of the FBI HRT. HRT has been known to train with DEVGRU, Army CAG and British SAS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.131.102 ( talk) 16:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
But the guys who do the investigation and analysis aren't the HRT guys. The HRT is for hostage resuce, not investigation. Saying the FBI are all trained like that is like saying cops have SWAT teams, so they all get trained like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.178.69.19 ( talk) 06:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Why on Earth is this in WP:Saudi Arabia? -- The Radio Star 01:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Can any one list the weapons used in this movie?-- Max Mayr 21:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC) From what I recall (not a comprehensive list at all but...):
By the way the KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) is not a gun society as the US is. The Saudi's do not have the right to keep and bear arms (along with free speech, or similar). To suggest that there would be roaming militias operating with impunity in "freed zones" within the capital of a (often) repressive regime is a bit far fetched in my opinion. Of course there are extremist elements in the Saudi society who would more or less match the depiction in the movie but they would hardly be as openly and blatantly based in Riyadh as depicted. Most of the time you'd find them trying to stay off the radar in suburbs, ghettos or out in the dessert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.188.52 ( talk) 08:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
only few movies' wiki entries contains IMDB user ratings. I beleve that is because it can be easily change by a group of users that gave very high score or very low score. Thus it is not a proper source. It's like thou can't cite WP articles because thou can edit it to suit your need.
So imdb rating removed.
154.5.52.224
22:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
WHO THE HELL WROTE THAT PLOT SUMMARY
kill it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.47.112.197 ( talk) 23:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think the 'other grandson' as described in the plot summary is actually a granddaughter? Boys don't generally wear head covering that I am aware of... ZarhanFastfire ( talk) 07:54, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I amended the DVD release date for the following reason. It was originally supposed to come out on December 26th. that was moved to Christmas Eve. Finally all studios releasing major films to DVD right before Christmas gave stores to go ahead to put them on the shelves December 20th. I know this for a fact because I had a reserve down on "The Kingdom" HD DVD at my favorite DVD store in your average joe mall in Minnesota (not Mall of America) and I got a call that day That I cold pick up the film when I wanted. I came to the store to find a full display out for The Kingdom and Rush Hour 3. So the DVD came out 12-20-07 Obriensg1 ( talk) 04:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I've commented out 2 positive reviews in this section so as not to give the positive reviews undue weight. Now 3 positive reviews are shown and 3 negative reviews are shown, similar to the ratio at the review aggregators Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. I think the 2 positive reviews I commented out can be uncommented when 2 more negative reviews are added to the section. The Middle Eastern reception section below appears to contain 1 negative review and 1 positive review, so those balance that section out. -- Pixelface ( talk) 03:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I tried to correct, but for some reason it didn't take. Either that or someone reverted the article. Will the owner of the article please correct?
Err...Wikipedia articles don't have owners. David F ( talk) 18:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone think that the attack on the SUVs might be a nod and wink to Clear and Present Danger? 150.203.110.103 ( talk) 07:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
^ No it doesn't —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.98.63 ( talk) 15:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
The plot section was 1400 words. I cut 400 words. It is still over the recommended maximum of 700 words. David F ( talk) 18:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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Brooke Langton did film a cameo as the wife of Kyle Chandler's character but having just returned from a sneak preview of the film, I can tell you she was not seen in the finished product, and therefore I have removed her from the cast list at the top of the page Obriensg1 04:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The movie is rife with Orientalist themes. A criticism section is in order.
This is from a weblog, but nicely summarizes racist motifs in the film:
"The Kingdom": Film Review, Kabobfest.com
"The Kingdom", the new Saudi-Arabia-we-explain-it-all action flick, from the first few seconds of the preview: a condensed panorama of minarets, missiles, angry brown eyes, and falcons, always falcons. This movie, which should be called Delta Force IV: is plain evidence that the business of entertaining America has not moved beyond Chuck Norris and Not Without My Daughter. I thought we all had agreed these were cultural embarrassments never to be repeated again? Even the worst mistakes deserve a sequel I guess.
Basically, the movie is a Middle Eastern Studies grad student's wet dream paper topic. The symbolism is so clumsy it knocks you unconscious with a club foot: the most innocuous arabs are the ones you should fear the most (24), you can never tell the good arabs from the bad arabs, the only good arab is the one who kills his own people with impunity. American military and civilian bases in Saudi Arabia are ahistorical apparitions that are good and wholesome, like baseball/ Saudi Arabia has a dark, evil history full of malice and oblique camera angles. Arabs don't know what technology is and need America to help them sort out their own internal problems. And the most parano-hygienic people on the planet are dirty, sweaty monkeys at the end of the day.
Help is welcome on this section. -- 71.227.191.140 23:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
If a US embassy is blown up, wouldn't this be a law enforcement case of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security? Does the film state why an internal US law enforcement agency gets to overstep their jurisdiction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fang Teng ( talk • contribs) 05:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
You cannot be serious. Special agents are trained in the areas you listed. Also I'm willing to bet that you've never heard of the FBI HRT. HRT has been known to train with DEVGRU, Army CAG and British SAS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.131.102 ( talk) 16:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
But the guys who do the investigation and analysis aren't the HRT guys. The HRT is for hostage resuce, not investigation. Saying the FBI are all trained like that is like saying cops have SWAT teams, so they all get trained like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.178.69.19 ( talk) 06:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Why on Earth is this in WP:Saudi Arabia? -- The Radio Star 01:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Can any one list the weapons used in this movie?-- Max Mayr 21:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC) From what I recall (not a comprehensive list at all but...):
By the way the KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) is not a gun society as the US is. The Saudi's do not have the right to keep and bear arms (along with free speech, or similar). To suggest that there would be roaming militias operating with impunity in "freed zones" within the capital of a (often) repressive regime is a bit far fetched in my opinion. Of course there are extremist elements in the Saudi society who would more or less match the depiction in the movie but they would hardly be as openly and blatantly based in Riyadh as depicted. Most of the time you'd find them trying to stay off the radar in suburbs, ghettos or out in the dessert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.188.52 ( talk) 08:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
only few movies' wiki entries contains IMDB user ratings. I beleve that is because it can be easily change by a group of users that gave very high score or very low score. Thus it is not a proper source. It's like thou can't cite WP articles because thou can edit it to suit your need.
So imdb rating removed.
154.5.52.224
22:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
WHO THE HELL WROTE THAT PLOT SUMMARY
kill it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.47.112.197 ( talk) 23:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think the 'other grandson' as described in the plot summary is actually a granddaughter? Boys don't generally wear head covering that I am aware of... ZarhanFastfire ( talk) 07:54, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I amended the DVD release date for the following reason. It was originally supposed to come out on December 26th. that was moved to Christmas Eve. Finally all studios releasing major films to DVD right before Christmas gave stores to go ahead to put them on the shelves December 20th. I know this for a fact because I had a reserve down on "The Kingdom" HD DVD at my favorite DVD store in your average joe mall in Minnesota (not Mall of America) and I got a call that day That I cold pick up the film when I wanted. I came to the store to find a full display out for The Kingdom and Rush Hour 3. So the DVD came out 12-20-07 Obriensg1 ( talk) 04:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I've commented out 2 positive reviews in this section so as not to give the positive reviews undue weight. Now 3 positive reviews are shown and 3 negative reviews are shown, similar to the ratio at the review aggregators Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. I think the 2 positive reviews I commented out can be uncommented when 2 more negative reviews are added to the section. The Middle Eastern reception section below appears to contain 1 negative review and 1 positive review, so those balance that section out. -- Pixelface ( talk) 03:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I tried to correct, but for some reason it didn't take. Either that or someone reverted the article. Will the owner of the article please correct?
Err...Wikipedia articles don't have owners. David F ( talk) 18:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone think that the attack on the SUVs might be a nod and wink to Clear and Present Danger? 150.203.110.103 ( talk) 07:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
^ No it doesn't —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.98.63 ( talk) 15:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
The plot section was 1400 words. I cut 400 words. It is still over the recommended maximum of 700 words. David F ( talk) 18:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)