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TrangaBellam ( talk) 14:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
But accuracy is not the film’s priority, nor is it interested in justice and closure for the Pandit community. Instead, the purpose of The Kashmir Files is to inflame hatred against Muslims; against secular parties that Modi’s followers brand anti-Hindu; liberal intellectuals and activists, whose faith in India’s inclusive democracy runs contrary to the supremacist tenets of Hindu nationalism; and against the liberal media that the Hindu right disparages as sold-out “presstitutes.”
I have not said what you have written is untrue. But it is not the only truth.- Debasish Roy Chowdhury on the film's plot. [1]. Wikihc ( talk) 19:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The opinions of specialists and recognized experts are more likely to be reliable and to reflect a significant viewpoint.TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (invited op-eds and letters to the editor from notable figures) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author. Wikihc ( talk) 07:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
reliable for statements of factanyway. They are Primary source for their opinion (eg. for the text quoted above by Kautilya3). See WP:RSOPINION,
Some sources may be considered reliable for statements as to their author's opinion, but not for statements asserted as fact. For example, an inline qualifier might say "[Author XYZ] says....". A prime example of this is opinion pieces in mainstream newspapers.Wikihc ( talk) 08:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
This is a request to Wikipedia editors to kindly consider including the New Zealand-based publication 'The Indian Weekender's Movie Review opinion about 'The Kashmir Files'.
The Indian Weekender’s reviewer U. Prashanth Nayak rated the movie 4 stars out of 5 and wrote “Agnihotri is not interested in appeasing the whole town. He rips away the shawl of excessive political correctness and exposes the heart of suffering”.
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After Bitta and his gang leave the house, Pushkar takes Karan to the hospital and requests his doctor friend Mahesh Kumar to save Karan's life.
in the plot section but it should be,
After Bitta and his gang leave the house, Pushkar calls and requests his doctor friend Mahesh Kumar to come in an ambulance and save Karan's life.
Please change it. Thanks (I have seen the movie)!- Y2edit? ( talk) 19:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Please change it to,However, the hospital gets taken over by militants, who forbid the hospital staff from treating non-Muslims.
with the link I have added - as that is the word used in the movie.- Y2edit? ( talk) 19:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)However, the hospital gets taken over by militants, who forbid the hospital staff from treating Kafirs.
If not Wikipedia voice then we can directly attribute it to them. Ra gup ( talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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The movie is based on true incidents. The writer and directory interviewed hundreds and put those incidents only in the movie. Do not call it fiction. 76.192.156.128 ( talk) 02:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Akshaypatill, Fowler&fowler, UnpetitproleX, Kautilya3, Kpddg, Jhy.rjwk, Uanfala, Johnbod, Mathsci, Kautilya3, JitendraKuhar, Yellowjacket903, RegentsPark, DaxServer, Dwaipayanc, Venkat TL, Sitush, TrangaBellam, Many people are coming and asking us to add that this, "drama" was based on real life incidents. Can we therefore change the leading sentence to,
The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film, produced by Zee Studios, based on real life incidents.
This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and possibly many more can be used as sources. Thanks!- Y2edit? ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Y2edit? ( talk) 15:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film, produced by Zee Studios, based on real life incidents. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri’s The Kashmir Files is a ‘brutally’ honest take
With the release of "The Kashmir Files", the character Farooq Ahmed Dar is making headlines. It is said that Chinamy Mandlekar’s character in the film is loosely inspired by real-life “Butcher of Pandits” Bitta Karate.
https://www.indiatoday.in/newsmo/video/the-kashmir-files-meet-real-life-butcher-of-kashmiri-pandits-farooq-ahmed-dar-aka-bitta-karate-1929619-2022-03-25 Jhy.rjwk ( talk) 21:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
with reliable sources. I don't have 500 edits under my belt yet to change it.- Y2edit? ( talk) 07:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri, based on real life incidents.
Y2edit?, Almost all the sources you have provided are websites or blogs, which are not considered
WP:RS on Wikipedia. The only honest-to-goodness RS is Hindustan Times (citation 11), but it says nothing about what you claim. India TV says, a "netizen" claims that it is a true story. The jagranjosh.com article (which may or may not be in the published newspaper) is tagged as "general knowledge". It says "The movie is based on the real-life stories told by the refugee Kashmiri Pandits to Vivek Agnihotri and his wife
". The "stories" told by Kashmiri Pandit refugees do not automatically become "real-life". There is considerable debate about the real or unreal nature of their stories, which have been discussed at
Talk:Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus, based on scholarly sources.
Note also that the real life basis is discussed extensively in the Political messaging and historical accuracy section. Even though some aspects of the film's narrative are based on real-life incidents, there is still considerable fictionalisation and distortion. It is not possible to say that the film is "based real life incidents". If that is the kind of judgement the film hoped for, I am afraid it considerably falls short. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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separate sections devoted to criticism, controversies, or the like should be avoided in an article because these sections call undue attention to negative viewpoints.Wikihc ( talk) 18:25, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
but the sources don't say, "Supporters have praised the film for showing what they say is an often-overlooked part of Kashmir's human rights history,[6] while theatres across India have witnessed hate speech including calls for killing Muslims, incited by activists of the ruling party and related Hindutva organisations.[27][28]
calls for killing Muslims".- Y2edit? ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The conflicted section on Historical Accuracy states: The film is seen depicting the Jawaharlal Nehru University[a] as an unpatriotic institution sympathetic to terrorism.
. Yet the cited sources
[2]
[3] do no refer to a Jawaharlal Nehru University, but a JNU. (John NotDoe University?).
Wikihc (
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A discussion by the Newslaundry team on the film and the issues surrounding it ( Hafta podcast on youtube, start around 26:00).
The Newstrack videos, mentioned in the discussion, are excerpted in a series of four video releases by Newslaundry. The first part can be found here. These are the "real Kashmir Files", so to speak. Abhinandan Sekhri mentions that India Today, which owns all this coverage has chosen not to use it, for reasons only they know.
Alpna Kishore, one of the original Newstrack journalists who covered Kashmir in the 1990s, made these remarks in the Hafta podcast:
(26:33) I think the film is a series of factual episodes. Everything that is shown did happen. But there is absolutely no context. Let me just elaborate... All this cannot be incorported ... (26:38) How does one explain to somebody 30 years later that, 'hey there is a bigger story; there is a larger picture'. Yes, this terrible thing happened. It is a tragedy. But there is more to the picture. So, I think that context is missing from the film entirely. The narrative is ideological. I can't accept it as the truth. Yes, it is the truth. It is there in the episodes. But the ideological domination of the film is such that, I am never allowed to see what the other side has to say. They are only painted black. But they must have some story. They must have something to say.
(35:34) He talked about (the narrative) "as he sees it". That is the job of the censor board in this country. I remember that when I was at Newstrack, we were not allowed to carry a "single narrative". We had to carry the rejoinder. Sometimes, our stories were stopped because we had one side of the view, we didn't have the other side.
The institutions are eroded to such a great extent that the censor board which would have never ever passed this film earlier, has not only passed it, but has passed it without any kind of cuts. This kind of thing has always led to incitement. It has led to it earlier as well. The state or the establishment was conscious of the fact that, in a country like India, incitement is only a breath away. You have to be careful with your facts, you have to present them, in a fair and balanced way. I don't think this film is that. And I think the institution that was supposed to not allow the film-maker to show it just "as he sees it" but also balance its facts, did not do its job.
-- Kautilya3 ( talk) 20:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
But what changes are proposed? Ra gup ( talk) 06:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film[2] written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri, and produced by Zee Studios.[5] The film presents a toned-down, true storyline[1][6] about the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley in a portion of the disputed region of Kashmir administered by India.[7][8] The early-1990 exodus, which followed the rise of an insurgency, is a gruesome genocide emotionally depicted in the movie.[14] . After the movie, many Kashmiris - both Pandits and local Muslims have confirmed the authenticity of this well-researched movie 2402:E280:210B:B2:576:E6F2:92F6:3F08 ( talk) 12:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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The “truth” that the film claims to reveal is that there was a “genocide” of Pandits in the 1990s, hidden by a callous ruling establishment and a servile media. Pandits were killed in their thousands, it claims, and not in the low hundreds as the government and Kashmiri Pandit organizations have stated.
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"fictional to Based on true events" 2409:4052:790:E231:0:0:398:60AC ( talk) 04:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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05:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)User: Kautilya3 I would like to know your reasoning for the reverts. The references are not related to the film, they are more relevant to Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. If we go in such a way, we will be having another integrated 'Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus' page. And I haven't removed the line, I have only removed unrelated sources. The current source is enough for the line. Akshaypatill ( talk) 08:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Section should be named as "Political messaging and historical inaccuracy". The section discusses the inaccuracies. The heading is ironical. Venkat TL ( talk) 14:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
WP:FILMHIST says If ample coverage from secondary sources exists about a film's historical or scientific accuracy, editors can pursue a sub-topic sharing such coverage in a section titled "Historical accuracy" or "Scientific accuracy" ("accuracy" being applied as neutral terminology).
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Lets see how reliable sources cover this,
The result of this propaganda is evident in the frenzied reception of the film.
An unabashed propaganda vehicle, the film presents a laundry list of the pet concerns of the Hindu Right
considering the clear mention of propaganda in the headline or in the description, I suggest Kautilya3 to stop using words in title to create this WP:FALSEBALANCE and whitewashing. -- Venkat TL ( talk) 18:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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I've seen the movie . In the lead, please change, "Raised by a Kashmiri Hindu schoolteacher who had witnessed the deaths, but shielded him from their knowledge, ......." to, "Raised by a Kashmiri Hindu schoolteacher who had witnessed the deaths, but shielded him from the knowledge of how they were actually killed, ......."
"of how they were actually killed". >>> Extorc. talk 18:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Is there a specific reason why Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus isn't in the "See Also" section? I notice that Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir is in the list. Apologies if this has been discussed and archived already. Webberbrad007 ( talk) 22:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Current wording is awkward:
The film presents a fictional storyline about the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley in a portion of the disputed region of Kashmir administered by India.
Proposed simpler versions without changing the intended meaning of the sentence:
The film presents a fictional storyline set during the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from Kashmir Valley, a Muslim-majority region in Indian administered Kashmir.
Or
The film presents a fictional storyline set during the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley in the disputed region of Kashmir.
- Webberbrad007 ( talk) 23:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
The film presents a storyline about the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley and massacres in Jammu and Kashmir.
The April issue of Outlook is on the film and relevant sociopolitical issues:
Using a ruthless marketing strategy and partisan visions of persecution, 'The Kashmir Files' seeks to rewrite history and distort reality.
Once again, Kashmir is the altar on which India is trying to refashion its national identity, this time with a distinctive majoritarian flavour.
Writing and filmmaking to demonise Muslims in Kashmir helps no Pandit. These only stoke the fire of communal antagonism.
Unravelling Kashmir’s truth, howsoever harsh, is important but it must be told with all its intricacies.
Kautilya3, fyi. TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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TrangaBellam ( talk) 14:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
But accuracy is not the film’s priority, nor is it interested in justice and closure for the Pandit community. Instead, the purpose of The Kashmir Files is to inflame hatred against Muslims; against secular parties that Modi’s followers brand anti-Hindu; liberal intellectuals and activists, whose faith in India’s inclusive democracy runs contrary to the supremacist tenets of Hindu nationalism; and against the liberal media that the Hindu right disparages as sold-out “presstitutes.”
I have not said what you have written is untrue. But it is not the only truth.- Debasish Roy Chowdhury on the film's plot. [1]. Wikihc ( talk) 19:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The opinions of specialists and recognized experts are more likely to be reliable and to reflect a significant viewpoint.TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (invited op-eds and letters to the editor from notable figures) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author. Wikihc ( talk) 07:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
reliable for statements of factanyway. They are Primary source for their opinion (eg. for the text quoted above by Kautilya3). See WP:RSOPINION,
Some sources may be considered reliable for statements as to their author's opinion, but not for statements asserted as fact. For example, an inline qualifier might say "[Author XYZ] says....". A prime example of this is opinion pieces in mainstream newspapers.Wikihc ( talk) 08:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
This is a request to Wikipedia editors to kindly consider including the New Zealand-based publication 'The Indian Weekender's Movie Review opinion about 'The Kashmir Files'.
The Indian Weekender’s reviewer U. Prashanth Nayak rated the movie 4 stars out of 5 and wrote “Agnihotri is not interested in appeasing the whole town. He rips away the shawl of excessive political correctness and exposes the heart of suffering”.
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Someone has typed,
After Bitta and his gang leave the house, Pushkar takes Karan to the hospital and requests his doctor friend Mahesh Kumar to save Karan's life.
in the plot section but it should be,
After Bitta and his gang leave the house, Pushkar calls and requests his doctor friend Mahesh Kumar to come in an ambulance and save Karan's life.
Please change it. Thanks (I have seen the movie)!- Y2edit? ( talk) 19:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Please change it to,However, the hospital gets taken over by militants, who forbid the hospital staff from treating non-Muslims.
with the link I have added - as that is the word used in the movie.- Y2edit? ( talk) 19:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)However, the hospital gets taken over by militants, who forbid the hospital staff from treating Kafirs.
If not Wikipedia voice then we can directly attribute it to them. Ra gup ( talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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The movie is based on true incidents. The writer and directory interviewed hundreds and put those incidents only in the movie. Do not call it fiction. 76.192.156.128 ( talk) 02:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Akshaypatill, Fowler&fowler, UnpetitproleX, Kautilya3, Kpddg, Jhy.rjwk, Uanfala, Johnbod, Mathsci, Kautilya3, JitendraKuhar, Yellowjacket903, RegentsPark, DaxServer, Dwaipayanc, Venkat TL, Sitush, TrangaBellam, Many people are coming and asking us to add that this, "drama" was based on real life incidents. Can we therefore change the leading sentence to,
The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film, produced by Zee Studios, based on real life incidents.
This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and possibly many more can be used as sources. Thanks!- Y2edit? ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Y2edit? ( talk) 15:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film, produced by Zee Studios, based on real life incidents. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri’s The Kashmir Files is a ‘brutally’ honest take
With the release of "The Kashmir Files", the character Farooq Ahmed Dar is making headlines. It is said that Chinamy Mandlekar’s character in the film is loosely inspired by real-life “Butcher of Pandits” Bitta Karate.
https://www.indiatoday.in/newsmo/video/the-kashmir-files-meet-real-life-butcher-of-kashmiri-pandits-farooq-ahmed-dar-aka-bitta-karate-1929619-2022-03-25 Jhy.rjwk ( talk) 21:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
with reliable sources. I don't have 500 edits under my belt yet to change it.- Y2edit? ( talk) 07:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri, based on real life incidents.
Y2edit?, Almost all the sources you have provided are websites or blogs, which are not considered
WP:RS on Wikipedia. The only honest-to-goodness RS is Hindustan Times (citation 11), but it says nothing about what you claim. India TV says, a "netizen" claims that it is a true story. The jagranjosh.com article (which may or may not be in the published newspaper) is tagged as "general knowledge". It says "The movie is based on the real-life stories told by the refugee Kashmiri Pandits to Vivek Agnihotri and his wife
". The "stories" told by Kashmiri Pandit refugees do not automatically become "real-life". There is considerable debate about the real or unreal nature of their stories, which have been discussed at
Talk:Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus, based on scholarly sources.
Note also that the real life basis is discussed extensively in the Political messaging and historical accuracy section. Even though some aspects of the film's narrative are based on real-life incidents, there is still considerable fictionalisation and distortion. It is not possible to say that the film is "based real life incidents". If that is the kind of judgement the film hoped for, I am afraid it considerably falls short. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
References
separate sections devoted to criticism, controversies, or the like should be avoided in an article because these sections call undue attention to negative viewpoints.Wikihc ( talk) 18:25, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
but the sources don't say, "Supporters have praised the film for showing what they say is an often-overlooked part of Kashmir's human rights history,[6] while theatres across India have witnessed hate speech including calls for killing Muslims, incited by activists of the ruling party and related Hindutva organisations.[27][28]
calls for killing Muslims".- Y2edit? ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The conflicted section on Historical Accuracy states: The film is seen depicting the Jawaharlal Nehru University[a] as an unpatriotic institution sympathetic to terrorism.
. Yet the cited sources
[2]
[3] do no refer to a Jawaharlal Nehru University, but a JNU. (John NotDoe University?).
Wikihc (
talk)
18:43, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
A discussion by the Newslaundry team on the film and the issues surrounding it ( Hafta podcast on youtube, start around 26:00).
The Newstrack videos, mentioned in the discussion, are excerpted in a series of four video releases by Newslaundry. The first part can be found here. These are the "real Kashmir Files", so to speak. Abhinandan Sekhri mentions that India Today, which owns all this coverage has chosen not to use it, for reasons only they know.
Alpna Kishore, one of the original Newstrack journalists who covered Kashmir in the 1990s, made these remarks in the Hafta podcast:
(26:33) I think the film is a series of factual episodes. Everything that is shown did happen. But there is absolutely no context. Let me just elaborate... All this cannot be incorported ... (26:38) How does one explain to somebody 30 years later that, 'hey there is a bigger story; there is a larger picture'. Yes, this terrible thing happened. It is a tragedy. But there is more to the picture. So, I think that context is missing from the film entirely. The narrative is ideological. I can't accept it as the truth. Yes, it is the truth. It is there in the episodes. But the ideological domination of the film is such that, I am never allowed to see what the other side has to say. They are only painted black. But they must have some story. They must have something to say.
(35:34) He talked about (the narrative) "as he sees it". That is the job of the censor board in this country. I remember that when I was at Newstrack, we were not allowed to carry a "single narrative". We had to carry the rejoinder. Sometimes, our stories were stopped because we had one side of the view, we didn't have the other side.
The institutions are eroded to such a great extent that the censor board which would have never ever passed this film earlier, has not only passed it, but has passed it without any kind of cuts. This kind of thing has always led to incitement. It has led to it earlier as well. The state or the establishment was conscious of the fact that, in a country like India, incitement is only a breath away. You have to be careful with your facts, you have to present them, in a fair and balanced way. I don't think this film is that. And I think the institution that was supposed to not allow the film-maker to show it just "as he sees it" but also balance its facts, did not do its job.
-- Kautilya3 ( talk) 20:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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The Kashmir Files is a 2022 Indian Hindi-language drama film[2] written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri, and produced by Zee Studios.[5] The film presents a toned-down, true storyline[1][6] about the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley in a portion of the disputed region of Kashmir administered by India.[7][8] The early-1990 exodus, which followed the rise of an insurgency, is a gruesome genocide emotionally depicted in the movie.[14] . After the movie, many Kashmiris - both Pandits and local Muslims have confirmed the authenticity of this well-researched movie 2402:E280:210B:B2:576:E6F2:92F6:3F08 ( talk) 12:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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The “truth” that the film claims to reveal is that there was a “genocide” of Pandits in the 1990s, hidden by a callous ruling establishment and a servile media. Pandits were killed in their thousands, it claims, and not in the low hundreds as the government and Kashmiri Pandit organizations have stated.
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"fictional to Based on true events" 2409:4052:790:E231:0:0:398:60AC ( talk) 04:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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05:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)User: Kautilya3 I would like to know your reasoning for the reverts. The references are not related to the film, they are more relevant to Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. If we go in such a way, we will be having another integrated 'Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus' page. And I haven't removed the line, I have only removed unrelated sources. The current source is enough for the line. Akshaypatill ( talk) 08:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Section should be named as "Political messaging and historical inaccuracy". The section discusses the inaccuracies. The heading is ironical. Venkat TL ( talk) 14:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
WP:FILMHIST says If ample coverage from secondary sources exists about a film's historical or scientific accuracy, editors can pursue a sub-topic sharing such coverage in a section titled "Historical accuracy" or "Scientific accuracy" ("accuracy" being applied as neutral terminology).
It looks like all those idiot-proofed MOS guides have been written just for people like us! --
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16:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Lets see how reliable sources cover this,
The result of this propaganda is evident in the frenzied reception of the film.
An unabashed propaganda vehicle, the film presents a laundry list of the pet concerns of the Hindu Right
considering the clear mention of propaganda in the headline or in the description, I suggest Kautilya3 to stop using words in title to create this WP:FALSEBALANCE and whitewashing. -- Venkat TL ( talk) 18:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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I've seen the movie . In the lead, please change, "Raised by a Kashmiri Hindu schoolteacher who had witnessed the deaths, but shielded him from their knowledge, ......." to, "Raised by a Kashmiri Hindu schoolteacher who had witnessed the deaths, but shielded him from the knowledge of how they were actually killed, ......."
"of how they were actually killed". >>> Extorc. talk 18:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Is there a specific reason why Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus isn't in the "See Also" section? I notice that Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir is in the list. Apologies if this has been discussed and archived already. Webberbrad007 ( talk) 22:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Current wording is awkward:
The film presents a fictional storyline about the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley in a portion of the disputed region of Kashmir administered by India.
Proposed simpler versions without changing the intended meaning of the sentence:
The film presents a fictional storyline set during the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from Kashmir Valley, a Muslim-majority region in Indian administered Kashmir.
Or
The film presents a fictional storyline set during the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley in the disputed region of Kashmir.
- Webberbrad007 ( talk) 23:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
The film presents a storyline about the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley and massacres in Jammu and Kashmir.
The April issue of Outlook is on the film and relevant sociopolitical issues:
Using a ruthless marketing strategy and partisan visions of persecution, 'The Kashmir Files' seeks to rewrite history and distort reality.
Once again, Kashmir is the altar on which India is trying to refashion its national identity, this time with a distinctive majoritarian flavour.
Writing and filmmaking to demonise Muslims in Kashmir helps no Pandit. These only stoke the fire of communal antagonism.
Unravelling Kashmir’s truth, howsoever harsh, is important but it must be told with all its intricacies.
Kautilya3, fyi. TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)