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The Great Gama was an Indian wrestler and the article has been edited by someone to incorrectly portray him as a Pakistani wrestler. He was born in Amritsar (India), wrestled across India, and represented India when he traveled abroad. Pakistan did not exist till 1947 when it was created out of British India during independence on 14th of August that year. The Great Gama shifted to Lahore in Pakistan in 1947 at the age of 69 and spent his last years there. Also, the article ambiguously states that "He lived for the rest of his days in Lahore". The correct statement would be "The Great Gama shifted to Lahore (Pakistan) in 1947 and stayed here till his death." [1] Chaoticdays ( talk) 14:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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It's quite obvious now that this article is being edited and semi protected by a couple of Pakistanis trying to portray a famous Indian wrestler as Pakistani. I request you people to at least change the ambiguous line "He lived for the rest of his days in Lahore" to "He shifted to Lahore in 1947 and stayed here till his death" which is the truth and the exact line mentioned in the source you have quoted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaoticdays ( talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I highly doubt the diet & exercise plans mentioned in this article. How is it possible that these exaggerated listings were published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.202.108.62 ( talk) 18:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Once again, I can see half truths being presented to project a false narrative. Thankfully you removed the line "he lived for the rest of his days in Lahore" but then you replaced it with another half truth - " After retirement, he lived on land and monthly pension given to him by the Government of Pakistan for the rest of his days until his death on May 23, 1960 in Lahore". Are you so desperate to portray an Indian wrestler as Pakistani that you can't even state the truth that Gama shifted to Lahore in Pakistan from his hometown of Amritsar in India post partition of the country in 1947? I read your statement on the talk page where you wrote "both India and Pakistan were never existed before 1947 and it was called the subcontinent" and I don't know whether I should laugh at your grammar or your lack of knowledge. It was called the Indian subcontinent you liar. But at least don't vandalize wikipedia articles to present a false narrative. I'm filing a complaint against you as well for misleading readers with false information and misusing your admin rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaoticdays ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
user:Cannolis Could you please be so kind to discuss the changes you are enforcing here: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Great_Gama&type=revision&diff=1061966323&oldid=1061965842 This person in question was a Pakistani national, holding an actual Pakistani passport. I know this confusion is rampant for historic figures, but in this case it literally makes no sense to dispute his nationality. KamranHassanUK ( talk) 23:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The article states he was born in 1878 and died in 1960.
Which do we use? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Many pages, e.g. https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-the-great-gama-pehlwan-india-wrestler, mention that he is said to have lifted a 1200kg stone in 1902. Should this legend be mentioned in the page? It may be plausible; compare with Gregg_Ernst -- Dankegel ( talk) 18:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
The section detailing the "rematch with Zbyszko" quotes a single secondhand source and is completely contradicted by other accounts from Ed Lewis, The Ring Magazine, and Zbyszko himself. The notion that Gama flipped Zbyszko - a man he couldn't turn over in THREE HOURS of previous competition - and sat on his chest to pin him is either means that the match was a work, like many of Gama's other matches reportedly were, or simply a fanciful account provided to the press. All three other sources on the subject (including one of the participants) state that the match was contested under rules which considered touching the ground with any body part a fall, which further contradicts the article's account of the match. I'm still fully researching this subject, but intend to add other sources for balance ASAP. HistoryFightFan ( talk) 11:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi Mr. @ Philipnelson99, can we please add his full name which ends with "Butt" which is name for Kashmiri "Bhatt" surname in Punjabi dialect. This official Olympics Article also has his full name here: [7] https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-the-great-gama-pehlwan-india-wrestler HistoricPilled ( talk) 20:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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The Great Gama was an Indian wrestler and the article has been edited by someone to incorrectly portray him as a Pakistani wrestler. He was born in Amritsar (India), wrestled across India, and represented India when he traveled abroad. Pakistan did not exist till 1947 when it was created out of British India during independence on 14th of August that year. The Great Gama shifted to Lahore in Pakistan in 1947 at the age of 69 and spent his last years there. Also, the article ambiguously states that "He lived for the rest of his days in Lahore". The correct statement would be "The Great Gama shifted to Lahore (Pakistan) in 1947 and stayed here till his death." [1] Chaoticdays ( talk) 14:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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It's quite obvious now that this article is being edited and semi protected by a couple of Pakistanis trying to portray a famous Indian wrestler as Pakistani. I request you people to at least change the ambiguous line "He lived for the rest of his days in Lahore" to "He shifted to Lahore in 1947 and stayed here till his death" which is the truth and the exact line mentioned in the source you have quoted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaoticdays ( talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I highly doubt the diet & exercise plans mentioned in this article. How is it possible that these exaggerated listings were published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.202.108.62 ( talk) 18:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Once again, I can see half truths being presented to project a false narrative. Thankfully you removed the line "he lived for the rest of his days in Lahore" but then you replaced it with another half truth - " After retirement, he lived on land and monthly pension given to him by the Government of Pakistan for the rest of his days until his death on May 23, 1960 in Lahore". Are you so desperate to portray an Indian wrestler as Pakistani that you can't even state the truth that Gama shifted to Lahore in Pakistan from his hometown of Amritsar in India post partition of the country in 1947? I read your statement on the talk page where you wrote "both India and Pakistan were never existed before 1947 and it was called the subcontinent" and I don't know whether I should laugh at your grammar or your lack of knowledge. It was called the Indian subcontinent you liar. But at least don't vandalize wikipedia articles to present a false narrative. I'm filing a complaint against you as well for misleading readers with false information and misusing your admin rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaoticdays ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
user:Cannolis Could you please be so kind to discuss the changes you are enforcing here: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Great_Gama&type=revision&diff=1061966323&oldid=1061965842 This person in question was a Pakistani national, holding an actual Pakistani passport. I know this confusion is rampant for historic figures, but in this case it literally makes no sense to dispute his nationality. KamranHassanUK ( talk) 23:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
The article states he was born in 1878 and died in 1960.
Which do we use? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Many pages, e.g. https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-the-great-gama-pehlwan-india-wrestler, mention that he is said to have lifted a 1200kg stone in 1902. Should this legend be mentioned in the page? It may be plausible; compare with Gregg_Ernst -- Dankegel ( talk) 18:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
The section detailing the "rematch with Zbyszko" quotes a single secondhand source and is completely contradicted by other accounts from Ed Lewis, The Ring Magazine, and Zbyszko himself. The notion that Gama flipped Zbyszko - a man he couldn't turn over in THREE HOURS of previous competition - and sat on his chest to pin him is either means that the match was a work, like many of Gama's other matches reportedly were, or simply a fanciful account provided to the press. All three other sources on the subject (including one of the participants) state that the match was contested under rules which considered touching the ground with any body part a fall, which further contradicts the article's account of the match. I'm still fully researching this subject, but intend to add other sources for balance ASAP. HistoryFightFan ( talk) 11:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi Mr. @ Philipnelson99, can we please add his full name which ends with "Butt" which is name for Kashmiri "Bhatt" surname in Punjabi dialect. This official Olympics Article also has his full name here: [7] https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-the-great-gama-pehlwan-india-wrestler HistoricPilled ( talk) 20:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)