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The inclusion of {{
lowercase title}}
allowing the page title to render and be indexed as "untitled Amazon motoring show" was reverted in
Special:Diff/711615683 (by
Smyth). The result is that the page title no longer matched the inline usage on the rest of Wikipedia, which is lowercase "untitled" and no italics. Having been surprised by this revision I would be grateful for any alternative suggestions or improvements. The present title is a placeholder (which is why it does not use italics), and contains only a single proper noun, which is "Aamzon", which is the second word. —
Sladen (
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22:22, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
{{
lower case}}
corrects and maintains that in the title in a situation where it is needed for proper parsing of the title by the reader. I don't see an exception to (the
WP:TITLEFORMAT) rule. —
Sladen (
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07:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)<title/>
, which is what is displayed and indexed by search engines. Lowercase is accurately reflected as we can see in
www.google.com/search?q=de+Havilland+Comet. —
Sladen (
talk)
10:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)This is a non-issue as links to the page can use either upper or lower case for the first character. Leave well enough alone and let the software handle it. Doubly so as this issue does no affect the editable text of the subject page, and the header can be read as an independent sentence/phrase that should start with a capital whether a proper noun or not or a name or a descriptive title. -- PBS ( talk) 10:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
{{
DISPLAYTITLE}}
? —
Sladen (
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11:00, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
In Special:Diff/712057286 (by John), these citations + content were removed:
A stunt double wearing a mask resembling Richard Hammond's head was present. [removed 3] [removed 4]
In March 2016 filming took place with a Mercedes monster truck in Cobham, Surrey, and on the Game of Thrones film set in Marrakesh. [removed 7] [removed 8]
filming a humorous sequence in their very own Reliant Robins. … dinky three-wheeled vehicles from W. Chump and Sons, the production company behind the series. … May confirmed the series will debut on online streaming service Amazon Prime in the autumn of 2016
Production has begun on Clarkson and co's Amazon Prime show
A driver wearing a Richard mask was spotted shooting scenes for Amazon's new Clarkson-Hammond-May series in Honfleur, France.
One of the drivers was pictured driving Hammond's Maserati while wearing a mask of the presenter
Fans poked fun at boozy Jeremy Clarkson for struggling to get to his new motoring show's first day of filming.
— Sladen ( talk) 00:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Richard Hammond has been replaced in filming by a gimp in a face mask.
former Top Gear crew turn heads in Cobham, Surrey while filming their new TV show on Thursday, driving a modified 1970s Mercedes with enormous off road wheels.
presenters driving through the streets of Cobham using several monster truck-type vintage Mercedes vehicles
The logo that is currently being displayed is heavily compressed. Would it be viable to recreate it as a vector graphic? 92.28.27.1 ( talk) 18:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Dyolf87 today added a "duration" column to the episode list.
[1] As well as screwing up the column formatting, this information is at best inconsistent with the way episode tables are created. The infobox includes a runtime
field, specifically for the inclusion of an average runtime for all episodes, and it's therefore not required in the episode table for each individual episode. I removed the information,
[2] but it was restored without explanation.
[3] I've asked Dyolf87 to discuss the edits, and gain consensus for inclusion,
[4] but he has again restored the content and made no attempt to discuss. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
12:12, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry if any of this formatting is incorrect with this comment, but I wonder if the show's country of origin should be listed as United States? It is funded by an American company and distributed globally on an American platform, despite the nationality of the presenters. Any feedback or other thoughts are welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.16 ( talk) 16:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Drmargi, thank you for your enthusiastic contributions to this article in the last 24 hours:
The last of these edits indicates a suggestion to discuss the topic here on this talk page—I think this would be a really good idea. Could I also draw all contributors attention to the WP:3RR on a maximum of three reverts per person, per article, per day, which has already been exceeded here and usually results in a ban. — Sladen ( talk) 08:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- (03:45) Camilla Long: Did the Americans make you try and stop drinking?
- May: No?
- Clarkson: There are no Americans involved in the making of our show.
- Hammond: Honestly…
- May: "… The Americans?"
- Hammond: It's just us, in our office in Chiswick.
- Clarkson: It's Chiswick, … it's here [points]
- Clarkson: When we went out to America, just in California: the studio director's English, the … …everyone's English.
- Long: Yea…
- Clarkson: It's a completely English show.
- May: Actually it wa…
- Clarkson: Couldn't be more English.
I didn't get a ping, but wandered by. I'll desist if you abandon your nationalistic WP:OWN behavior, and your bully-boy tactics designed to splash my edits all over the place while ignoring the edit warring and false accusations of other (British) editors. You guys can lie to yourselves all you want that this isn't a British-American collaboration, but Amazon money says differently, as did Clarkson in the first episode. -- Drmargi ( talk) 22:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Here's a quick
WP:OR overview of the California Dry Rabbit Dry Lake filming:
It would be useful if all editors could assist in finding citations. Pinging Drmargi and Dyolf87 in particular. — Sladen ( talk) 00:17, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
all eyes were firmly on Carol Vorderman at the Miramar Air Show yesterday.
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I would like to add two names to the cinematography section of the Grand Tour titles. I am one of the cinematographers who has been involved with the filming of this show since the start of filming. My name is Steve Lidgerwood, I would also like to add the other cinematographer who has been involved since the start, Casper Leaver. The 3 main cinematographers for this show are Ben Joiner, Casper Leaver, Steve Lidgerwood. I would very much appreciate our names added. Please contact Phil Churchward who is the Director of this series for confirmation. Kind regards, Steve Lidgerwood Camerajockey68 ( talk) 19:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Might it be worth having a "featured cars" section to the "Episodes" table? The episode summary has now become quite lengthy as a result of mentioning every car that takes part in the show (except for the 40-strong convoy). Dyolf87 ( talk) 01:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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TYPO: In 'Episodes' > '2', replace Jordon with Jordan in the end of the description (Finally the presenters return to KASOTC in Jordon to review an Audi S8 Plus...) Simobk ( talk) 07:34, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I can find no citable evidence that the show is available in Austria. The references provided do not state Austria - in fact only one of three of the references gives any locations at all and Austria isn't one of them. Therefore, unless a suitable reference can be found Austria should be removed. Dyolf87 ( talk) 01:43, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
millions of Prime members streaming the first episode in the U.S., U.K., Germany, Austria and Japan over the opening weekend.
Could any other editors assist with finding WP:RS citations for the following, and getting the chronology right:
What else have we missed (so far)? — Sladen ( talk) 00:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I have notified Drmargi at Special:Permalink/751564100#November 2016 about reaching 3RR again, and would like to find a way to break that cycle. So far I have been unable to find a WP:RS that makes a definitive statement either way, so lets do some WP:OR. The tabloid press has Theron departing from Los Angeles on 14 July 2016. And on the evening of 17 July 2016, she was opening the XXI International AIDS Conference, 2016 in Durban. Episode 2 was filmed on 17 July 2016 outside Johannesburg, which is the city that acts has the main hub airport for ZA.
at LAX Airport in Los Angeles, California on Thursday July 14
Opening:17 July 2016: 18h00-22h00 Expected VIP participants: 1. Charlize Theron
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help)The timing is plausible, and the filming date may have been setup around this. However, comparing images [6] and video [7] with the the Grand Tour footage (00:45:32), the person being pounced on has longer hair. One possibility here is that it was planned, but ended up being a no-show. Speculating further, if this was the case, it maybe the reasoning for Episode 1 (filmed later) having multiple guests as a backup—eg. the Renner jump footage already in the can could be played back regardlessly, even if Hammer was not available, with Vorderman as an unplanned addition. — Sladen ( talk) 14:46, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure if it's her or not, but I'll throw in my thoughts. The woman who is attacked by a lion looks a lot like Theron, even though she's not clearly seen, her stance, shape, frame all look like her. Secondly, is it me or do these "windows" look like screens? I mean, if it is a screen then Theron could have filmed it pretty quickly and then gone on her way. The rumours of Theron and Matt Damon have been around for a while and neither actor have denied it, but nor have they confirmed it. Either way, without evidence she should not be included in the article. Dyolf87 ( talk) 23:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Due to the episodic nature of The Grand Tour (as opposed to the formulaic, "factual" nature of Top Gear - if that makes sense), as well as the fact that each episode has it's own title, should pages for each individual episode be created? For example, a page for "The Holy Trinity". I feel like enough information could be included in the page, as well as a "Broadcast" and "Reception" section. If this is to happen, it's probably best to start now to avoid creating a backlog of pages. Just an idea. 109.158.3.113 ( talk) 16:27, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
It'd be far easier if pages were created for each individual episode of the show. This'll avoid cramming all the information into the summary section of the episode table. The Grand Tour is different to Top Gear in that each episode has it's own title, and is much more episodic than the old show. It'd be create if somebody could respond and comply with this, thanks. 109.145.35.179 ( talk) 15:51, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
This was unnecessary for two reasons: 1. There is not ambiguity between the two shows. The 1997 series is already clearly marked for deletion (see The Grand Tour (1997 TV series)) and will then not exist. 2. The 1997 series is not current, this one is current and is the only TV show currently running under that name (with a Wikipedia article). Therefore I suggest moving it back. Dyolf87 ( talk) 19:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Does "Hammond's description: "It was like an eighteen-century Cannonball Run, only with old-fashioned morphine instead of cocaine"." really warrant a footnote under the episodes table? Dyolf87 ( talk) 19:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
The addition of these maps seems pointless - they do not provide any useful information and only serve to make reading the episode summaries more difficult. Unless a good case for their inclusion can be made I highly recommend that they be removed. Dyolf87 ( talk) 00:15, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Special:Diff/757402270 ("completely unnecessary code only serves to unnecessarily increase the size of the article") removed the WP:GEO data from the article. This WP:GEO metadata has been restored again in Special:Diff/757403978. When editors disagree with Wikipedia policy and wish to see it changed, discussion can be started at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). — Sladen ( talk) 14:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Earlier, I modified the lap table to avoid use of bold text, with the edit summary " MOS:BOLD/ MOS:ACCESS - better to use a note". [8] I thought that was self explanatory, as it linked to the relevant parts of the MOS, but apparently it was not obvious to some, as Dyolf87 reverted the table, claiming that it was "idiotic". [9] Compliance with the Manual of Style is not idiotic. MOS:BOLD very clearly says to "avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text", which is how it is used in the table. More importantly, the use of bold to identify cars presents an accessibility issue. Some screen readers will be unable to parse the bold text and vision impaired readers will see a note that says "Entries in bold were tested on-screen", but they won't know which cars are in bold. Use of notes is far preferable for this reason. Wikipedia has to be readable by all readers, not just those with 20:20 vision. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 18:30, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
How can we call this a TV series if it's not televised? T v x1 01:22, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
AussieLegend, can you suggest how to proceed with Special:Diff/759880623? Barbados sponsors the vessel in question, which belong to Team Concise:
CEO of Barbados Tourism Marketing Inc. William Griffith, has announced a new and exciting partnership between Barbados and Team Concise … their amazing 70ft trimaran – Concise 10, … will be branded "Ms. BARBADOS"
"Concise 10" (on the stern), "Ms. Barbados" (on the sides), and "70" (extremities) can be viewed. Concise 10 is one of a series of MOD 70 trimarans built to the same specification to compete each season in a series of races, as per Formula XYZ car racing. The individual vessel, vessel type, and sponsor of the boat are all visible. "The Barbados Tourism Product Authority" is credited at 1:00:35. (The Barbados Tourism Authority was split into two in 2014: Barbados Tourism Marketing, Inc. + The Barbados Tourism Product Authority). — Sladen ( talk) 23:37, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
The- Maybe instantly recognisable to a sailing fan but to the average person they are not. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 03:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)two (2)remaining AC72 and seven (7) MOD 70 yachts are the largest racing ships in the world, and so instantly recognisable
Shouldn't we start a new page for Season 1 just like with Top Gear? I think there's enough content... Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 21:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
An IP editor has been adding viewership figures for some period of the show that are problematic for two reasons: a) they're for the UK alone (so what?) and b) they're sourced to the Daily Mail, which is highly unreliable, per a recent discussion. The Grand Tour is streamed internationally, and it is widely known that Amazon and Netflix do not release viewer data. That makes these figures both questionable and trivial. This isn't Top Gear; the relevant audience is an international one. Given the cited article provides no source for its figures, I question their veracity. -- Drmargi ( talk) 00:23, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Earlier today an editor made a series of edits that removed a dead link and added links to country names and "Los Angeles". [10] I removed the links as WP:OVERLINK says "The names of major geographic features, locations (e.g. United States, London, New York City, France, Berlin...)" are not usually linked. This is reflected in MOS:TV#Wikilinks, which says "Avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including plain English words, the names of major geographic features, locations and nationalities". The editor restored the links, claiming " The places are not linked anywhere else in this article and they are most certainly not overlinked", which entirely misses the point of WP:OVERLINK. I again removed the links but, while I was trying to explain WP:OVERLINK on his talk page, the editor decided to edit-war rather than respect WP:BRD and restored the links. Since then he has been rather uncivil, [11] and has since terminated discussion on his talk page in a rather uncivil manner, [12] so I have opened a discussion here. Regarding the deleted link, I have also explained that Wikipedia:Link rot says "do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer", to no avail. Note that I verified that the Instagram post was valid on 5 March 2017, which resulted in this edit. At this point, I have not removed the links again, or restored the cited content. Hopefully the editor will see his error and will revert the changes himself. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 21:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The article currently uses both the terms 'season' and 'series' when referring to series/season 1 or series/season 2 etc. The term "season" is more American and the term 'series' is more common in the UK. As the article is written in British English I propose that all references to "season" should be replaced with "series", except for quotes. Dyolf87 ( talk) 10:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
The section for episode details is getting rather long now that the second series has started. It would be best to either make the tables collapsed by default or move them to their own Wikipedia pages "The Grand Tour (series 1)", "The Grand Tour (series 2)" etc. Dyolf87 ( talk) 15:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The examples in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Episode listing are for "Series 1" for the series-specific section headings. Both Special:Diff/814730797 and Special:Diff/815397065 have reverted/converted these to use "Series one", with a comment in the source pointing to MOS:NUMERAL. What is the ideal outcome here? ( List of Top Gear episodes uses one particular style; are there any other examples of the other style?) — Sladen ( talk) 17:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I've never seen any using it in the years I've been editing. As linked, I've got about 200 series listed in my television articles list. My response was simply a counterpoint to this, explaining that we've been undertaking changes for a long time before you started editing and there are a lot of articles that have never been updated to the new practices, and which continue to use the older practices because they are still supported by the many "non-TV" parts of the MOS. I was simply saying what I've seen, which you don't seem to like. If you don't like what others have experienced, that's really too bad. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
If you couldn't care less then leave this discussion and stop creating unnecessary drama- I was asked questions so I've got a reason to be here. Why would I bother going to MOS:NUMERAL to start an RfC to get support for something that is already supported? And, please be less aggressive in your posts. It really doesn't help the discussion. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
How many commas, should be included in the WP:LEDE, one, two, three, or four? Edits; Special:Diff/815540732 added additional commas, Special:Diff/815541006 removed three commas, and Special:Diff/815542355 added them again. — Sladen ( talk) 13:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The word "the" is being added before West Oxfordshire District Council. This was reverted in Special:Diff/816646861 and again in Special:Diff/816721106. Same editor. For reference, Weslam123, normal usage would need something specific afterwards "the West Oxfordshire District Council planning committee", "the West Oxfordshire District Council mayor"; but not "the West Oxfordshire District Council alone". — Sladen ( talk) 06:50, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Could I make a suggestion, just in the hope of this resolving itself? Perhaps someone with access to one might want to get out a book of British English grammar, and cite it as an explanation why the use of "the" in this context is incorrect. As an American English speaker, I'm finding the explanation why the definite article is incorrect confusing, and I know British English well enough to know which is the correct form. I believe Weslam123 is from Singapore, and might not be sufficiently familiar with the rules of British English grammar to understand why what is correct in, for example, American English (where the definite article is used in this context, which he/she may have heard in any number of American television shows) is not correct in British English. That seems to be the log-jam here.
Meanwhile, Wesley123, you really should stop restoring what native British speakers are telling you is incorrect grammar until you can establish using a reputable grammar guide that your correction is accurate. As I noted, I know British English well enough to know basic rules for the use of the definite article, and in this case, "the" is incorrect. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 10:09, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm supposed to go to another article to learn what this show is about, what kind of intro is that?
"motoring television series" isn't enough to explain why this article exists, it's not encyclopedic.
50.70.234.111 (
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08:54, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Currently the last part says: Radio Times has criticised the programme's "Celebrity Face Off" segment for featuring only male guests in series two, stating "The Grand Tour’s first celebrity guests for series 2 have been revealed – and there’s not a single woman". Should this be removed seeing as its been confirmed that Paris Hilton will be a guest?-- EnderAtreides117 ( talk) 12:23, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Can a series overview table be added now? Seems about time. I'll leave it up to someone else in case there's a specific format needed. TheMysteriousEditor ( talk) 21:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
For those who wonder about the name of the Finish Line. Hektor ( talk) 17:34, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, should a page for Series 1 and Series 2 be created for The Grand Tour? As well as a "List of The Grand Tour episodes" page? It'll stop this page becoming too cluttered and packed and all that can remain in this article would be the series overview table. Now that there's two full seasons/series it seems appropriate (obviously the episodes boxes can just be moved over). Thoughts? TheMysteriousEditor ( talk) 22:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Likewise I didn't want my additions to "conversation street" making this entry from becoming very long. I even went as far as creating a new page just for part of the show. The new page I created was refused and the wisdom of the moderators suggested that my additions be left on the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matchkick ( talk • contribs) 05:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
A draft about a segment of a show is unlikely to meet Notability. And this doesn't, as it has no sourcing.This was a quite reasonable reason for rejection of the draft. All topics added to Wikipedia must meet the general notability guidelines and the draft didn't, nor did it attempt the establish notability by including citations, hence the suggestion to include it here. I do tend to feel that a lot of information in the draft is little more than fancruft. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 07:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
I feel, that once Season 3 has aired and finished completion, then the article can be placed on two separate pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelCorleone7 ( talk • contribs) 23:14, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
There are a few sentences with information related to Series 3, currently included as a subheading under the Episodes heading. Since this information does not really relate to specific episodes of the upcoming series, it would seem to me that it does not fit here. But when I tried to figure out where else it could go, I did not find a current section that was an obvious place to move it to. Is this me being too worried about the main heading or is there a better place for that information on this page? - Cafemusique ( talk) 11:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I thought I'd open a discussion here since nobody else has bothered and there are still obviously some people who have differing opinions. For my part, it seems clear that the program is produced by a British company for an American company so I don't have any doubt about the British part. The American side seems a bit more obscure. Amazon (the American company) has funded the production but in several interviews the hosts have said Amazon has given their company pretty much free reign to produce as they wish. Obviously, there are going to be some conditions placed upon W. Chump & Sons but they don't necessarily make it a British-American production. I haven't actually seen any US sources claiming US involvement in the production so "British-American" doesn't seem valid at this point. For the record, I have just asked all three hosts via Twitter if they can clarify. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 00:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, the first citation doesn't even say that it is a British production!! Saying that it is "based in the U.K." is IN NO WAY the same as saying that it is a "U.K. production".- The programme is produced by a UK company in the UK, there is no doubt of that, so this tack is irrelevant. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 05:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
My statement was regarding the validity of the source (you again ignore all my points)- I ignored that because the fact that it's a British production is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your persistent attempts to claim that the programme is also an American production.
Saying that it is "U.K. based" is not the same as saying that it is a U.K. production.- Nobody is saying that, except one citation right after it says it will be produced by a UK company.
I provided clear evidence- You've actually provided no evidence.
This citation says something completely different than what you are suggesting- Not at all. The tweet is quite clear. It says "it's a British show", which is pretty clear. That is reinforced by other citations as well as the episodes themselves which identify the production facilities and, more importantly, the statement that W. Chump & Sons Ltd produces the programme.
it will be removed since it is not evidence of U.K. production- You've already been blocked once for edit-warring and personal attacks. Do you want to be blocked again? I suggest you familiarise yourself with WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO before making that decision.
if there is no doubt as you say that it is a U.K. production, why can't you provide a SINGLE source stating SPECIFICALLY that it is a British production?- There's one right at the beginning of the article, apparently the same one where you apparently got "U.K. based" from. It specifically says "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show." [14] And then there are the episodes as already stated.
Yep, you don't have one- No, actually I do. See above.
Do you really not realize that you are doing exactly that right now, trying to say that all the so-called evidence from these sources points to a conclusion that is never EXPLICITLY STATED!- Again, "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show." [15]
The level of hypocrisy you exhibit is honestly astounding.- Please be civil!.
no citation states SPECIFICALLY what country produces the show.- Again, "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show." [16]
no citable information exists that states whether it is a British production, American, or U.K./U.S co-production.- See above.
there is NOT any cited evidence available regarding production country/countries.- And again!
Saying that it is a "British show" is not saying EXPLICITLY that is is a British production.The citation in the article says "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show. The program will be U.K. based". W Chump & Sons is a British company, it's based in the UK, and the source article says the program is UK based. So, does this mean it's a French production? No! A Russian production? No! A UK production? Yes! You seem to be the only one who refuses to see this.
not mean the same as "this show is solely British produced".- You're still missing the point. There are citations in the article that say it's a British programme. I've mentioned one of them repeatedly, so we have verifiable evidence that the programme is produced in the UK. However, there is not a single source to support the claim that it is also a US production. With no sources to say that it is produced anywhere else, "The Grand Tour is a British motoring television series" is a perfectly accurate statement to make. That's not the same as saying "The Grand Tour is solely British produced". -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 18:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
you are still lacking any basic reading comprehension- I'm so sick of this that I'm not even going to bother responding to anything in this post except this one point. 73.34.105.30 has used this insult so many times now, here and on his talk page, that it can be considered to be a personal attack rather than just being uncivil. I have warned the IP despite him being blocked for two weeks. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 04:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
The company … reported £35.33m in turnover with nearly all of that referred to as related to the "terms of a commissioning agreement". … the funds paid by Amazon
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I haven't read all of this yet, but two things jump out at me: the overwhelming "I don't want to see it" insistence that Amazon is the distribution platform despite the program being produced by Amazon Studios. Amazon Studios is the production arm of Amazon, and is American. You can play with tweets and convenient interpretation of British media reports all you care to in an effort to deny that fundamental fact, but The Grand Tour is funded by Amazon.com (and well promoted by no less than Jeff Bezos) and produced by Amazon Studios (as noted in the article) and that makes it substantively American. Frankly, if anyone is playing WP:IDHT, it's the Brits trying to cling to the show as a British-only enterprise. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 21:52, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Removed it completely from introduction. Country of origin is completely irrelevant. Country of production is given in the box aside. That's enough. Elk Salmon ( talk) 19:40, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Should a list of episodes page be created? It seems a bit...busy on this page. What with the entire episodes tables for the first two series, it'd make sense to have a new page for them, and preferably an individual page for Series 1 and Series 2 just like Top Gear (and most other big TV shows) has. TheMysteriousEditor ( talk) 20:45, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
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The inclusion of {{
lowercase title}}
allowing the page title to render and be indexed as "untitled Amazon motoring show" was reverted in
Special:Diff/711615683 (by
Smyth). The result is that the page title no longer matched the inline usage on the rest of Wikipedia, which is lowercase "untitled" and no italics. Having been surprised by this revision I would be grateful for any alternative suggestions or improvements. The present title is a placeholder (which is why it does not use italics), and contains only a single proper noun, which is "Aamzon", which is the second word. —
Sladen (
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22:22, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
{{
lower case}}
corrects and maintains that in the title in a situation where it is needed for proper parsing of the title by the reader. I don't see an exception to (the
WP:TITLEFORMAT) rule. —
Sladen (
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07:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)<title/>
, which is what is displayed and indexed by search engines. Lowercase is accurately reflected as we can see in
www.google.com/search?q=de+Havilland+Comet. —
Sladen (
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10:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)This is a non-issue as links to the page can use either upper or lower case for the first character. Leave well enough alone and let the software handle it. Doubly so as this issue does no affect the editable text of the subject page, and the header can be read as an independent sentence/phrase that should start with a capital whether a proper noun or not or a name or a descriptive title. -- PBS ( talk) 10:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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In Special:Diff/712057286 (by John), these citations + content were removed:
A stunt double wearing a mask resembling Richard Hammond's head was present. [removed 3] [removed 4]
In March 2016 filming took place with a Mercedes monster truck in Cobham, Surrey, and on the Game of Thrones film set in Marrakesh. [removed 7] [removed 8]
filming a humorous sequence in their very own Reliant Robins. … dinky three-wheeled vehicles from W. Chump and Sons, the production company behind the series. … May confirmed the series will debut on online streaming service Amazon Prime in the autumn of 2016
Production has begun on Clarkson and co's Amazon Prime show
A driver wearing a Richard mask was spotted shooting scenes for Amazon's new Clarkson-Hammond-May series in Honfleur, France.
One of the drivers was pictured driving Hammond's Maserati while wearing a mask of the presenter
Fans poked fun at boozy Jeremy Clarkson for struggling to get to his new motoring show's first day of filming.
— Sladen ( talk) 00:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Richard Hammond has been replaced in filming by a gimp in a face mask.
former Top Gear crew turn heads in Cobham, Surrey while filming their new TV show on Thursday, driving a modified 1970s Mercedes with enormous off road wheels.
presenters driving through the streets of Cobham using several monster truck-type vintage Mercedes vehicles
The logo that is currently being displayed is heavily compressed. Would it be viable to recreate it as a vector graphic? 92.28.27.1 ( talk) 18:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Dyolf87 today added a "duration" column to the episode list.
[1] As well as screwing up the column formatting, this information is at best inconsistent with the way episode tables are created. The infobox includes a runtime
field, specifically for the inclusion of an average runtime for all episodes, and it's therefore not required in the episode table for each individual episode. I removed the information,
[2] but it was restored without explanation.
[3] I've asked Dyolf87 to discuss the edits, and gain consensus for inclusion,
[4] but he has again restored the content and made no attempt to discuss. --
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Sorry if any of this formatting is incorrect with this comment, but I wonder if the show's country of origin should be listed as United States? It is funded by an American company and distributed globally on an American platform, despite the nationality of the presenters. Any feedback or other thoughts are welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.16 ( talk) 16:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Drmargi, thank you for your enthusiastic contributions to this article in the last 24 hours:
The last of these edits indicates a suggestion to discuss the topic here on this talk page—I think this would be a really good idea. Could I also draw all contributors attention to the WP:3RR on a maximum of three reverts per person, per article, per day, which has already been exceeded here and usually results in a ban. — Sladen ( talk) 08:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- (03:45) Camilla Long: Did the Americans make you try and stop drinking?
- May: No?
- Clarkson: There are no Americans involved in the making of our show.
- Hammond: Honestly…
- May: "… The Americans?"
- Hammond: It's just us, in our office in Chiswick.
- Clarkson: It's Chiswick, … it's here [points]
- Clarkson: When we went out to America, just in California: the studio director's English, the … …everyone's English.
- Long: Yea…
- Clarkson: It's a completely English show.
- May: Actually it wa…
- Clarkson: Couldn't be more English.
I didn't get a ping, but wandered by. I'll desist if you abandon your nationalistic WP:OWN behavior, and your bully-boy tactics designed to splash my edits all over the place while ignoring the edit warring and false accusations of other (British) editors. You guys can lie to yourselves all you want that this isn't a British-American collaboration, but Amazon money says differently, as did Clarkson in the first episode. -- Drmargi ( talk) 22:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Here's a quick
WP:OR overview of the California Dry Rabbit Dry Lake filming:
It would be useful if all editors could assist in finding citations. Pinging Drmargi and Dyolf87 in particular. — Sladen ( talk) 00:17, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
all eyes were firmly on Carol Vorderman at the Miramar Air Show yesterday.
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I would like to add two names to the cinematography section of the Grand Tour titles. I am one of the cinematographers who has been involved with the filming of this show since the start of filming. My name is Steve Lidgerwood, I would also like to add the other cinematographer who has been involved since the start, Casper Leaver. The 3 main cinematographers for this show are Ben Joiner, Casper Leaver, Steve Lidgerwood. I would very much appreciate our names added. Please contact Phil Churchward who is the Director of this series for confirmation. Kind regards, Steve Lidgerwood Camerajockey68 ( talk) 19:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Might it be worth having a "featured cars" section to the "Episodes" table? The episode summary has now become quite lengthy as a result of mentioning every car that takes part in the show (except for the 40-strong convoy). Dyolf87 ( talk) 01:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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TYPO: In 'Episodes' > '2', replace Jordon with Jordan in the end of the description (Finally the presenters return to KASOTC in Jordon to review an Audi S8 Plus...) Simobk ( talk) 07:34, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I can find no citable evidence that the show is available in Austria. The references provided do not state Austria - in fact only one of three of the references gives any locations at all and Austria isn't one of them. Therefore, unless a suitable reference can be found Austria should be removed. Dyolf87 ( talk) 01:43, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
millions of Prime members streaming the first episode in the U.S., U.K., Germany, Austria and Japan over the opening weekend.
Could any other editors assist with finding WP:RS citations for the following, and getting the chronology right:
What else have we missed (so far)? — Sladen ( talk) 00:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I have notified Drmargi at Special:Permalink/751564100#November 2016 about reaching 3RR again, and would like to find a way to break that cycle. So far I have been unable to find a WP:RS that makes a definitive statement either way, so lets do some WP:OR. The tabloid press has Theron departing from Los Angeles on 14 July 2016. And on the evening of 17 July 2016, she was opening the XXI International AIDS Conference, 2016 in Durban. Episode 2 was filmed on 17 July 2016 outside Johannesburg, which is the city that acts has the main hub airport for ZA.
at LAX Airport in Los Angeles, California on Thursday July 14
Opening:17 July 2016: 18h00-22h00 Expected VIP participants: 1. Charlize Theron
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help)The timing is plausible, and the filming date may have been setup around this. However, comparing images [6] and video [7] with the the Grand Tour footage (00:45:32), the person being pounced on has longer hair. One possibility here is that it was planned, but ended up being a no-show. Speculating further, if this was the case, it maybe the reasoning for Episode 1 (filmed later) having multiple guests as a backup—eg. the Renner jump footage already in the can could be played back regardlessly, even if Hammer was not available, with Vorderman as an unplanned addition. — Sladen ( talk) 14:46, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure if it's her or not, but I'll throw in my thoughts. The woman who is attacked by a lion looks a lot like Theron, even though she's not clearly seen, her stance, shape, frame all look like her. Secondly, is it me or do these "windows" look like screens? I mean, if it is a screen then Theron could have filmed it pretty quickly and then gone on her way. The rumours of Theron and Matt Damon have been around for a while and neither actor have denied it, but nor have they confirmed it. Either way, without evidence she should not be included in the article. Dyolf87 ( talk) 23:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Due to the episodic nature of The Grand Tour (as opposed to the formulaic, "factual" nature of Top Gear - if that makes sense), as well as the fact that each episode has it's own title, should pages for each individual episode be created? For example, a page for "The Holy Trinity". I feel like enough information could be included in the page, as well as a "Broadcast" and "Reception" section. If this is to happen, it's probably best to start now to avoid creating a backlog of pages. Just an idea. 109.158.3.113 ( talk) 16:27, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
It'd be far easier if pages were created for each individual episode of the show. This'll avoid cramming all the information into the summary section of the episode table. The Grand Tour is different to Top Gear in that each episode has it's own title, and is much more episodic than the old show. It'd be create if somebody could respond and comply with this, thanks. 109.145.35.179 ( talk) 15:51, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
This was unnecessary for two reasons: 1. There is not ambiguity between the two shows. The 1997 series is already clearly marked for deletion (see The Grand Tour (1997 TV series)) and will then not exist. 2. The 1997 series is not current, this one is current and is the only TV show currently running under that name (with a Wikipedia article). Therefore I suggest moving it back. Dyolf87 ( talk) 19:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Does "Hammond's description: "It was like an eighteen-century Cannonball Run, only with old-fashioned morphine instead of cocaine"." really warrant a footnote under the episodes table? Dyolf87 ( talk) 19:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
The addition of these maps seems pointless - they do not provide any useful information and only serve to make reading the episode summaries more difficult. Unless a good case for their inclusion can be made I highly recommend that they be removed. Dyolf87 ( talk) 00:15, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Special:Diff/757402270 ("completely unnecessary code only serves to unnecessarily increase the size of the article") removed the WP:GEO data from the article. This WP:GEO metadata has been restored again in Special:Diff/757403978. When editors disagree with Wikipedia policy and wish to see it changed, discussion can be started at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). — Sladen ( talk) 14:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Earlier, I modified the lap table to avoid use of bold text, with the edit summary " MOS:BOLD/ MOS:ACCESS - better to use a note". [8] I thought that was self explanatory, as it linked to the relevant parts of the MOS, but apparently it was not obvious to some, as Dyolf87 reverted the table, claiming that it was "idiotic". [9] Compliance with the Manual of Style is not idiotic. MOS:BOLD very clearly says to "avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text", which is how it is used in the table. More importantly, the use of bold to identify cars presents an accessibility issue. Some screen readers will be unable to parse the bold text and vision impaired readers will see a note that says "Entries in bold were tested on-screen", but they won't know which cars are in bold. Use of notes is far preferable for this reason. Wikipedia has to be readable by all readers, not just those with 20:20 vision. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 18:30, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
How can we call this a TV series if it's not televised? T v x1 01:22, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
AussieLegend, can you suggest how to proceed with Special:Diff/759880623? Barbados sponsors the vessel in question, which belong to Team Concise:
CEO of Barbados Tourism Marketing Inc. William Griffith, has announced a new and exciting partnership between Barbados and Team Concise … their amazing 70ft trimaran – Concise 10, … will be branded "Ms. BARBADOS"
"Concise 10" (on the stern), "Ms. Barbados" (on the sides), and "70" (extremities) can be viewed. Concise 10 is one of a series of MOD 70 trimarans built to the same specification to compete each season in a series of races, as per Formula XYZ car racing. The individual vessel, vessel type, and sponsor of the boat are all visible. "The Barbados Tourism Product Authority" is credited at 1:00:35. (The Barbados Tourism Authority was split into two in 2014: Barbados Tourism Marketing, Inc. + The Barbados Tourism Product Authority). — Sladen ( talk) 23:37, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
The- Maybe instantly recognisable to a sailing fan but to the average person they are not. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 03:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)two (2)remaining AC72 and seven (7) MOD 70 yachts are the largest racing ships in the world, and so instantly recognisable
Shouldn't we start a new page for Season 1 just like with Top Gear? I think there's enough content... Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 21:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
An IP editor has been adding viewership figures for some period of the show that are problematic for two reasons: a) they're for the UK alone (so what?) and b) they're sourced to the Daily Mail, which is highly unreliable, per a recent discussion. The Grand Tour is streamed internationally, and it is widely known that Amazon and Netflix do not release viewer data. That makes these figures both questionable and trivial. This isn't Top Gear; the relevant audience is an international one. Given the cited article provides no source for its figures, I question their veracity. -- Drmargi ( talk) 00:23, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Earlier today an editor made a series of edits that removed a dead link and added links to country names and "Los Angeles". [10] I removed the links as WP:OVERLINK says "The names of major geographic features, locations (e.g. United States, London, New York City, France, Berlin...)" are not usually linked. This is reflected in MOS:TV#Wikilinks, which says "Avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including plain English words, the names of major geographic features, locations and nationalities". The editor restored the links, claiming " The places are not linked anywhere else in this article and they are most certainly not overlinked", which entirely misses the point of WP:OVERLINK. I again removed the links but, while I was trying to explain WP:OVERLINK on his talk page, the editor decided to edit-war rather than respect WP:BRD and restored the links. Since then he has been rather uncivil, [11] and has since terminated discussion on his talk page in a rather uncivil manner, [12] so I have opened a discussion here. Regarding the deleted link, I have also explained that Wikipedia:Link rot says "do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer", to no avail. Note that I verified that the Instagram post was valid on 5 March 2017, which resulted in this edit. At this point, I have not removed the links again, or restored the cited content. Hopefully the editor will see his error and will revert the changes himself. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 21:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The article currently uses both the terms 'season' and 'series' when referring to series/season 1 or series/season 2 etc. The term "season" is more American and the term 'series' is more common in the UK. As the article is written in British English I propose that all references to "season" should be replaced with "series", except for quotes. Dyolf87 ( talk) 10:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
The section for episode details is getting rather long now that the second series has started. It would be best to either make the tables collapsed by default or move them to their own Wikipedia pages "The Grand Tour (series 1)", "The Grand Tour (series 2)" etc. Dyolf87 ( talk) 15:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The examples in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Episode listing are for "Series 1" for the series-specific section headings. Both Special:Diff/814730797 and Special:Diff/815397065 have reverted/converted these to use "Series one", with a comment in the source pointing to MOS:NUMERAL. What is the ideal outcome here? ( List of Top Gear episodes uses one particular style; are there any other examples of the other style?) — Sladen ( talk) 17:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I've never seen any using it in the years I've been editing. As linked, I've got about 200 series listed in my television articles list. My response was simply a counterpoint to this, explaining that we've been undertaking changes for a long time before you started editing and there are a lot of articles that have never been updated to the new practices, and which continue to use the older practices because they are still supported by the many "non-TV" parts of the MOS. I was simply saying what I've seen, which you don't seem to like. If you don't like what others have experienced, that's really too bad. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
If you couldn't care less then leave this discussion and stop creating unnecessary drama- I was asked questions so I've got a reason to be here. Why would I bother going to MOS:NUMERAL to start an RfC to get support for something that is already supported? And, please be less aggressive in your posts. It really doesn't help the discussion. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
How many commas, should be included in the WP:LEDE, one, two, three, or four? Edits; Special:Diff/815540732 added additional commas, Special:Diff/815541006 removed three commas, and Special:Diff/815542355 added them again. — Sladen ( talk) 13:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The word "the" is being added before West Oxfordshire District Council. This was reverted in Special:Diff/816646861 and again in Special:Diff/816721106. Same editor. For reference, Weslam123, normal usage would need something specific afterwards "the West Oxfordshire District Council planning committee", "the West Oxfordshire District Council mayor"; but not "the West Oxfordshire District Council alone". — Sladen ( talk) 06:50, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Could I make a suggestion, just in the hope of this resolving itself? Perhaps someone with access to one might want to get out a book of British English grammar, and cite it as an explanation why the use of "the" in this context is incorrect. As an American English speaker, I'm finding the explanation why the definite article is incorrect confusing, and I know British English well enough to know which is the correct form. I believe Weslam123 is from Singapore, and might not be sufficiently familiar with the rules of British English grammar to understand why what is correct in, for example, American English (where the definite article is used in this context, which he/she may have heard in any number of American television shows) is not correct in British English. That seems to be the log-jam here.
Meanwhile, Wesley123, you really should stop restoring what native British speakers are telling you is incorrect grammar until you can establish using a reputable grammar guide that your correction is accurate. As I noted, I know British English well enough to know basic rules for the use of the definite article, and in this case, "the" is incorrect. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 10:09, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm supposed to go to another article to learn what this show is about, what kind of intro is that?
"motoring television series" isn't enough to explain why this article exists, it's not encyclopedic.
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Currently the last part says: Radio Times has criticised the programme's "Celebrity Face Off" segment for featuring only male guests in series two, stating "The Grand Tour’s first celebrity guests for series 2 have been revealed – and there’s not a single woman". Should this be removed seeing as its been confirmed that Paris Hilton will be a guest?-- EnderAtreides117 ( talk) 12:23, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Can a series overview table be added now? Seems about time. I'll leave it up to someone else in case there's a specific format needed. TheMysteriousEditor ( talk) 21:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
For those who wonder about the name of the Finish Line. Hektor ( talk) 17:34, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, should a page for Series 1 and Series 2 be created for The Grand Tour? As well as a "List of The Grand Tour episodes" page? It'll stop this page becoming too cluttered and packed and all that can remain in this article would be the series overview table. Now that there's two full seasons/series it seems appropriate (obviously the episodes boxes can just be moved over). Thoughts? TheMysteriousEditor ( talk) 22:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Likewise I didn't want my additions to "conversation street" making this entry from becoming very long. I even went as far as creating a new page just for part of the show. The new page I created was refused and the wisdom of the moderators suggested that my additions be left on the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matchkick ( talk • contribs) 05:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
A draft about a segment of a show is unlikely to meet Notability. And this doesn't, as it has no sourcing.This was a quite reasonable reason for rejection of the draft. All topics added to Wikipedia must meet the general notability guidelines and the draft didn't, nor did it attempt the establish notability by including citations, hence the suggestion to include it here. I do tend to feel that a lot of information in the draft is little more than fancruft. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 07:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
I feel, that once Season 3 has aired and finished completion, then the article can be placed on two separate pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelCorleone7 ( talk • contribs) 23:14, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
There are a few sentences with information related to Series 3, currently included as a subheading under the Episodes heading. Since this information does not really relate to specific episodes of the upcoming series, it would seem to me that it does not fit here. But when I tried to figure out where else it could go, I did not find a current section that was an obvious place to move it to. Is this me being too worried about the main heading or is there a better place for that information on this page? - Cafemusique ( talk) 11:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I thought I'd open a discussion here since nobody else has bothered and there are still obviously some people who have differing opinions. For my part, it seems clear that the program is produced by a British company for an American company so I don't have any doubt about the British part. The American side seems a bit more obscure. Amazon (the American company) has funded the production but in several interviews the hosts have said Amazon has given their company pretty much free reign to produce as they wish. Obviously, there are going to be some conditions placed upon W. Chump & Sons but they don't necessarily make it a British-American production. I haven't actually seen any US sources claiming US involvement in the production so "British-American" doesn't seem valid at this point. For the record, I have just asked all three hosts via Twitter if they can clarify. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 00:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, the first citation doesn't even say that it is a British production!! Saying that it is "based in the U.K." is IN NO WAY the same as saying that it is a "U.K. production".- The programme is produced by a UK company in the UK, there is no doubt of that, so this tack is irrelevant. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 05:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
My statement was regarding the validity of the source (you again ignore all my points)- I ignored that because the fact that it's a British production is not in dispute. What is in dispute is your persistent attempts to claim that the programme is also an American production.
Saying that it is "U.K. based" is not the same as saying that it is a U.K. production.- Nobody is saying that, except one citation right after it says it will be produced by a UK company.
I provided clear evidence- You've actually provided no evidence.
This citation says something completely different than what you are suggesting- Not at all. The tweet is quite clear. It says "it's a British show", which is pretty clear. That is reinforced by other citations as well as the episodes themselves which identify the production facilities and, more importantly, the statement that W. Chump & Sons Ltd produces the programme.
it will be removed since it is not evidence of U.K. production- You've already been blocked once for edit-warring and personal attacks. Do you want to be blocked again? I suggest you familiarise yourself with WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO before making that decision.
if there is no doubt as you say that it is a U.K. production, why can't you provide a SINGLE source stating SPECIFICALLY that it is a British production?- There's one right at the beginning of the article, apparently the same one where you apparently got "U.K. based" from. It specifically says "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show." [14] And then there are the episodes as already stated.
Yep, you don't have one- No, actually I do. See above.
Do you really not realize that you are doing exactly that right now, trying to say that all the so-called evidence from these sources points to a conclusion that is never EXPLICITLY STATED!- Again, "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show." [15]
The level of hypocrisy you exhibit is honestly astounding.- Please be civil!.
no citation states SPECIFICALLY what country produces the show.- Again, "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show." [16]
no citable information exists that states whether it is a British production, American, or U.K./U.S co-production.- See above.
there is NOT any cited evidence available regarding production country/countries.- And again!
Saying that it is a "British show" is not saying EXPLICITLY that is is a British production.The citation in the article says "A new production company set up by Wilman, Clarkson, Hammond and May called W Chump & Sons will produce the Amazon show. The program will be U.K. based". W Chump & Sons is a British company, it's based in the UK, and the source article says the program is UK based. So, does this mean it's a French production? No! A Russian production? No! A UK production? Yes! You seem to be the only one who refuses to see this.
not mean the same as "this show is solely British produced".- You're still missing the point. There are citations in the article that say it's a British programme. I've mentioned one of them repeatedly, so we have verifiable evidence that the programme is produced in the UK. However, there is not a single source to support the claim that it is also a US production. With no sources to say that it is produced anywhere else, "The Grand Tour is a British motoring television series" is a perfectly accurate statement to make. That's not the same as saying "The Grand Tour is solely British produced". -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 18:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
you are still lacking any basic reading comprehension- I'm so sick of this that I'm not even going to bother responding to anything in this post except this one point. 73.34.105.30 has used this insult so many times now, here and on his talk page, that it can be considered to be a personal attack rather than just being uncivil. I have warned the IP despite him being blocked for two weeks. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 04:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
The company … reported £35.33m in turnover with nearly all of that referred to as related to the "terms of a commissioning agreement". … the funds paid by Amazon
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I haven't read all of this yet, but two things jump out at me: the overwhelming "I don't want to see it" insistence that Amazon is the distribution platform despite the program being produced by Amazon Studios. Amazon Studios is the production arm of Amazon, and is American. You can play with tweets and convenient interpretation of British media reports all you care to in an effort to deny that fundamental fact, but The Grand Tour is funded by Amazon.com (and well promoted by no less than Jeff Bezos) and produced by Amazon Studios (as noted in the article) and that makes it substantively American. Frankly, if anyone is playing WP:IDHT, it's the Brits trying to cling to the show as a British-only enterprise. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 21:52, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Removed it completely from introduction. Country of origin is completely irrelevant. Country of production is given in the box aside. That's enough. Elk Salmon ( talk) 19:40, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Should a list of episodes page be created? It seems a bit...busy on this page. What with the entire episodes tables for the first two series, it'd make sense to have a new page for them, and preferably an individual page for Series 1 and Series 2 just like Top Gear (and most other big TV shows) has. TheMysteriousEditor ( talk) 20:45, 5 May 2018 (UTC)