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Sorry - I missed the peer review and have only just got around to adding some snippets from Uglow (a heavy read - I am making slow progress). I hope the additions are acceptable.
One thing I noticed today was that one of the lawyers in plate 2 - the one who seems to be gesticulating towards the skies - seems to be wearing a black cap: another foreshadowing of the coming execution, perhaps? And unlike the other three, no-one in that image seems to be pointing. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone has been vandalizing this article. I would remove one bizarre addition, and another would appear. Keep an eye on it.
Looks as though someone has gone through the entire article and changed spellings of words like "the", etc. I'm new here - what's to keep people from hacking? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curm2007 ( talk • contribs) 11:38, February 19, 2007 (UTC).
I made an edit which was subsequently changed again by User:Yomangani. I've put it back to my version and am explaining here why I think it's better.
The structure of the article before my edit was essentially:
I didn't like this because I think that a better structure would be to focus on Tom Nero (and his appearance), then go on to what he is doing, then go on to how that corresponds to the surrounding environment. My edit therefore resulted in the following structure:
User:Yomangani commented that reordering didn't really work as it made comments about him before he was identified, reordered again. I don't understand this comment. It describes Tom, then comments on his appearance. Where does my edit have such a basic error. Anyway, User:Yomangani ended up as
That doesn't seem sensible to me - Tom Nero is the important person here, we should have the information about him early on in the article, not hidden following a discussion of the plate's representation of King George. I've therefore put it back to my ordering. GDallimore 11:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm intrigued by this spoken article Wikiproject and found this article to be written in such a pleasing visual style that it would be perfect for the project. I'm an actor and a sound technician with a southern English accent, so should be able to make a good fist of it. What do people think of this project? Is it worth the effort? GDallimore 11:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I have had a go at formatting the texts beneath the prints in a slightly more pleasing way. The configuration may not work for other readers, as it will depend on image size, text size, etc, so let me know if there are any problems. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any discussion of the symbolism of the wrist/index finger business? Also, how did the dog get his heart out when they're only starting on his intestines? 68.39.174.238 23:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
In today's BBC Radio 4Today Programme the author of a recent paper[1] claimed that the obstetricians Smellie and Hunter are the anatomists depicted in The rewards of cruelty - and that they had many pregnant women murdered in order to acquire the cadavers they needed for their anatomical studies.
1. Shelton DC. The Emperor's new clothes. J R Soc Med 2010;103(2):46-50.
-- peter_english ( talk) 09:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The image file used for " The reward of cruelty" is incomplete, missing the heading and description. There is complete version here:
Can this perhaps be used instead?
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Looking at this for the sweep of featured articles not reviewed since 2015. Overall, I think this an excellent work that's stood up, inasmuch as I (somewhat of a newcomer to FAC) understand the criteria. That said, there's extensive image sandwiching that a stricter eye than mine could complain about. I recognize the limitations of image placement for a short-ish visual arts article and don't consider this a perditious sin, but I think it a matter worth leaving a note about for posterity. Vaticidal prophet 14:47, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
The “Ecco Homo” image was added by an IP in 2018. It appears to be a work lost in Poland. It is almost certainly not the work mentioned in the text.
There are at least three original Van Dyck versions of his “Arrest of Christ”. The one in Bristol (top) was in England (indeed in London) at the right time. The one in Minneapolis (middle) may have been too, but according to RKD the one in the Prado (not shown here) seems to have gone straight from the Rubens estate in Antwerp to Madrid in the 1640s. RKD says the Bristol one was sold in 1747 from the collection of George Bagnall in London to Sir Paul Methuen, and then kept at Corsham Court for over 200 years. The provenance of the Minneapolis version is not clear until the end of the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.235.6 ( talk) 13:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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Sorry - I missed the peer review and have only just got around to adding some snippets from Uglow (a heavy read - I am making slow progress). I hope the additions are acceptable.
One thing I noticed today was that one of the lawyers in plate 2 - the one who seems to be gesticulating towards the skies - seems to be wearing a black cap: another foreshadowing of the coming execution, perhaps? And unlike the other three, no-one in that image seems to be pointing. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone has been vandalizing this article. I would remove one bizarre addition, and another would appear. Keep an eye on it.
Looks as though someone has gone through the entire article and changed spellings of words like "the", etc. I'm new here - what's to keep people from hacking? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curm2007 ( talk • contribs) 11:38, February 19, 2007 (UTC).
I made an edit which was subsequently changed again by User:Yomangani. I've put it back to my version and am explaining here why I think it's better.
The structure of the article before my edit was essentially:
I didn't like this because I think that a better structure would be to focus on Tom Nero (and his appearance), then go on to what he is doing, then go on to how that corresponds to the surrounding environment. My edit therefore resulted in the following structure:
User:Yomangani commented that reordering didn't really work as it made comments about him before he was identified, reordered again. I don't understand this comment. It describes Tom, then comments on his appearance. Where does my edit have such a basic error. Anyway, User:Yomangani ended up as
That doesn't seem sensible to me - Tom Nero is the important person here, we should have the information about him early on in the article, not hidden following a discussion of the plate's representation of King George. I've therefore put it back to my ordering. GDallimore 11:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm intrigued by this spoken article Wikiproject and found this article to be written in such a pleasing visual style that it would be perfect for the project. I'm an actor and a sound technician with a southern English accent, so should be able to make a good fist of it. What do people think of this project? Is it worth the effort? GDallimore 11:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I have had a go at formatting the texts beneath the prints in a slightly more pleasing way. The configuration may not work for other readers, as it will depend on image size, text size, etc, so let me know if there are any problems. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any discussion of the symbolism of the wrist/index finger business? Also, how did the dog get his heart out when they're only starting on his intestines? 68.39.174.238 23:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
In today's BBC Radio 4Today Programme the author of a recent paper[1] claimed that the obstetricians Smellie and Hunter are the anatomists depicted in The rewards of cruelty - and that they had many pregnant women murdered in order to acquire the cadavers they needed for their anatomical studies.
1. Shelton DC. The Emperor's new clothes. J R Soc Med 2010;103(2):46-50.
-- peter_english ( talk) 09:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The image file used for " The reward of cruelty" is incomplete, missing the heading and description. There is complete version here:
Can this perhaps be used instead?
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Looking at this for the sweep of featured articles not reviewed since 2015. Overall, I think this an excellent work that's stood up, inasmuch as I (somewhat of a newcomer to FAC) understand the criteria. That said, there's extensive image sandwiching that a stricter eye than mine could complain about. I recognize the limitations of image placement for a short-ish visual arts article and don't consider this a perditious sin, but I think it a matter worth leaving a note about for posterity. Vaticidal prophet 14:47, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
The “Ecco Homo” image was added by an IP in 2018. It appears to be a work lost in Poland. It is almost certainly not the work mentioned in the text.
There are at least three original Van Dyck versions of his “Arrest of Christ”. The one in Bristol (top) was in England (indeed in London) at the right time. The one in Minneapolis (middle) may have been too, but according to RKD the one in the Prado (not shown here) seems to have gone straight from the Rubens estate in Antwerp to Madrid in the 1640s. RKD says the Bristol one was sold in 1747 from the collection of George Bagnall in London to Sir Paul Methuen, and then kept at Corsham Court for over 200 years. The provenance of the Minneapolis version is not clear until the end of the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.235.6 ( talk) 13:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)