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That would really be an interesting snack. Some pieces of sweet clay to end a dinner. Geophagy is described as "a practice of eating earthy substances such as clay, often to augment a mineral-deficient diet", but many people around the world eat it because they like it. Just add some sugar and salt to the mix of water and minerals that is going to be clay (what decides the taste in how the crystals are made, just like in chocolate), cut the clay in flat and square pieces and cover them with chocolate. Maybe it would taste good?
Perhaps joing this article with the article on Heston Blumenthal -- there is quite a bit of overlap in the two articles and since the main interest in the restaurant is the techniques he uses is seems to make sense.
Agree, there is not enough information that just relates to Heston Blumenthal to have his own named page. It would be good to add more info to his page and keep it, so perhaps just move any non-duplicated information from his page onto Fat Duck, and then from a striped down page people might add some stuff.
This article reads like an ad for the restaurant. I don't see how to fix it without removing lots of info. 81.1.76.44 18:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this reads like an advert, more quite a good descriptive. However, the addition of some (constructive) detractive comments is never a bad thing for balance.
Agree that it sounds like an ad, perhaps some links to less than enthusiastic reviews might provide balance?
Jan Moir at the Daily Telegraph, "While one can admire the skill, how bored with life, lunch and eating lotuses do you have to be to find this kind of culinary joke a thrill?": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/main.jhtml?xml=/wine/2004/01/31/edmoir31.xml
Wolfram Siebeck (influential German reviewer) Die Zeit, "Fart of Nothingness": http://www.signandsight.com/features/212.html
Online diner reviews at London Eating, 50/50 divine/inedible: http://www.london-eating.co.uk/1801.htm
etc.
This restaurant's 'philosophy' is reminiscent of a Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale, long live the king.
Rather than read like a an ad, I'd argue that it was an ad since any of the sources critical of the restaurant are quickly purged by fanboys and fangirls. The section on the norovirus outbreak is risible and is derived from Heston's slippery PR rather than the highly critical HPA report which identified the Fat Duck as wholly responsible for the extent and duration of the outbreak, which was due to the restaurant managements attempts to cover up the events and delay notification to the authorities for over a month. The Fat Duck may not have bee responsible for the presence of norovirus in some raw materials, but it was responsible for the bad working practices that led to it being the largest outbreak in recorded history. Vive la spin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoticus ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Also note the repeat performance of a viral outbreak causing closure in February 2914. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26006223 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.64.13 ( talk) 17:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
As pointed out in the talk page of Talk:The Fat Duck, both articles have substantially the same content, indeed the main interest in The Fat Duck is the unique techniques employed by Heston Blumenthal. There’s not really enough information to justify two articles. -- Nige 21:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I think a link to Square Meal would be appropriate for this article because they provide an independent guide to restaurants around the UK, and the site also has a review of The Fat Duck restaurant and chef Heston Blumenthal. ( This link)
Mitesh03 12:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, yes I am affiliated with Square Meal, its one of the biggest and most highly regarded INDEPENDENT restaurant guides. I stress independent. I think the reviews that we write would benefit articles such as this one and create a fair and open dialogue, what wiki aims to do.
I don’t know how I can add to these articles or create new ones using the content that we already have – where others could add to. I obviously don’t want to spam the site so any help on this matter would be great. Mitesh03 09:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The UK doesn't have "Zip codes", nor does any country outside the US. The table must mean "Postcode". Also, the table wrongly assumes that everything is in a "City". Bray is barely even a town. Labelling the location heading as "Town/City" would look less stupid. 92.18.217.163 ( talk) 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The article says that the recent food poisoning scare has caused The Fat Duck to close indefinitely yet the referenced article makes no mention of this. Can we change to 'closed until further notice pending an investigation' or something?
- Tim —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.37.150 ( talk) 13:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
'closed indefinitely' means 'closed until further notice'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoticus ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to say fuck in this article? I don't want to use weasel words, but it seems to me that anyone who knows what a spoonerism is can work it out themselves. How about "a risqué spoonerism"? SimonTrew ( talk) 17:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Read WP:NOTCENSORED.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I edited The Fat Duck#Menu so that "Mad Hatter's Tea Party (c. 1892)" mentions its side dish of toast sandwichs. Likewise, I've included a subsection on the "Toast sandwich" article for The Fat Duck inclusion as a menu item.-- DrWho42 ( talk) 00:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barbaric-footage-foie-gras-duck-4793888#ICID=sharebar_facebook — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.143.235 ( talk) 21:42, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
This restaurant famously had 3*s but due to technical reasons (i.e. closed for renovation at time of assessment) rather than more conventional (food/experiece) reasons, this restaurant was omitted from the 2016 guide, thus technically 'losing' its status as a 3* restaurant. Pretty shocking that something this significant that happened 11 months ago wasn't on the article. I fully appreciate this is probably a temporary measure, but haven't put this as it would just be unfounded speculation by a non-expert editor. Feel free to amend to reflect this fairly using info that meets WP:IRS (but I feel the fact it lost them - with the explanation - is justified). If we're following an annual cycle, and my guess is accurate, I think this will become moot in a month anyway as the new guide is released and their stars re-instated. Rayman60 ( talk) 10:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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@ The Banner: Do you think boxing needs to be wikilinked? Or is it a commonly understood term that doesn't need linking per WP:OVERLINK? Popcornfud ( talk) 18:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
He said "Everything was fabulous about the evening – the food, the setting, the service, it was unbelievably good but unfortunately, afterwards, all of us were ill". This brings it in line with the MOS:LQ policy on formatting quotes. I assume you won't discuss that one either, so I'm going to go ahead and restore that change too. Popcornfud ( talk) 20:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Now your question: Why the change in sequence of the paragraphs?
I think it's simpler and clearer to explain events chronologically rather than go back and forth: the first event happened in 2004, the second event in 2009. I can't see any advantage in presenting this information in reverse chronology, and that's not usually how we sequence information on Wikipedia.
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With regards to the boxing promoter: what is the relevance of his opinion? Is it not possible to just remove that part? The Banner talk 16:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
"On 27 February 2009, Blumenthal closed the Fat Duck temporarily after a number of customers reported (...)" is not an improvement compared with the original sentence "On 27 February 2009, Blumenthal closed his restaurant temporarily after a number of customers reported (...)". Reason for this is that this article is about The Fat Duck so there is no confusion possible about what restaurant we are talking about. In an article about Heston Blumenthal it makes sense, here it is an unnecessary chance and no improvement. The Banner talk 16:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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That would really be an interesting snack. Some pieces of sweet clay to end a dinner. Geophagy is described as "a practice of eating earthy substances such as clay, often to augment a mineral-deficient diet", but many people around the world eat it because they like it. Just add some sugar and salt to the mix of water and minerals that is going to be clay (what decides the taste in how the crystals are made, just like in chocolate), cut the clay in flat and square pieces and cover them with chocolate. Maybe it would taste good?
Perhaps joing this article with the article on Heston Blumenthal -- there is quite a bit of overlap in the two articles and since the main interest in the restaurant is the techniques he uses is seems to make sense.
Agree, there is not enough information that just relates to Heston Blumenthal to have his own named page. It would be good to add more info to his page and keep it, so perhaps just move any non-duplicated information from his page onto Fat Duck, and then from a striped down page people might add some stuff.
This article reads like an ad for the restaurant. I don't see how to fix it without removing lots of info. 81.1.76.44 18:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this reads like an advert, more quite a good descriptive. However, the addition of some (constructive) detractive comments is never a bad thing for balance.
Agree that it sounds like an ad, perhaps some links to less than enthusiastic reviews might provide balance?
Jan Moir at the Daily Telegraph, "While one can admire the skill, how bored with life, lunch and eating lotuses do you have to be to find this kind of culinary joke a thrill?": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/main.jhtml?xml=/wine/2004/01/31/edmoir31.xml
Wolfram Siebeck (influential German reviewer) Die Zeit, "Fart of Nothingness": http://www.signandsight.com/features/212.html
Online diner reviews at London Eating, 50/50 divine/inedible: http://www.london-eating.co.uk/1801.htm
etc.
This restaurant's 'philosophy' is reminiscent of a Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale, long live the king.
Rather than read like a an ad, I'd argue that it was an ad since any of the sources critical of the restaurant are quickly purged by fanboys and fangirls. The section on the norovirus outbreak is risible and is derived from Heston's slippery PR rather than the highly critical HPA report which identified the Fat Duck as wholly responsible for the extent and duration of the outbreak, which was due to the restaurant managements attempts to cover up the events and delay notification to the authorities for over a month. The Fat Duck may not have bee responsible for the presence of norovirus in some raw materials, but it was responsible for the bad working practices that led to it being the largest outbreak in recorded history. Vive la spin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoticus ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Also note the repeat performance of a viral outbreak causing closure in February 2914. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26006223 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.64.13 ( talk) 17:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
As pointed out in the talk page of Talk:The Fat Duck, both articles have substantially the same content, indeed the main interest in The Fat Duck is the unique techniques employed by Heston Blumenthal. There’s not really enough information to justify two articles. -- Nige 21:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I think a link to Square Meal would be appropriate for this article because they provide an independent guide to restaurants around the UK, and the site also has a review of The Fat Duck restaurant and chef Heston Blumenthal. ( This link)
Mitesh03 12:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, yes I am affiliated with Square Meal, its one of the biggest and most highly regarded INDEPENDENT restaurant guides. I stress independent. I think the reviews that we write would benefit articles such as this one and create a fair and open dialogue, what wiki aims to do.
I don’t know how I can add to these articles or create new ones using the content that we already have – where others could add to. I obviously don’t want to spam the site so any help on this matter would be great. Mitesh03 09:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The UK doesn't have "Zip codes", nor does any country outside the US. The table must mean "Postcode". Also, the table wrongly assumes that everything is in a "City". Bray is barely even a town. Labelling the location heading as "Town/City" would look less stupid. 92.18.217.163 ( talk) 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The article says that the recent food poisoning scare has caused The Fat Duck to close indefinitely yet the referenced article makes no mention of this. Can we change to 'closed until further notice pending an investigation' or something?
- Tim —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.37.150 ( talk) 13:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
'closed indefinitely' means 'closed until further notice'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoticus ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to say fuck in this article? I don't want to use weasel words, but it seems to me that anyone who knows what a spoonerism is can work it out themselves. How about "a risqué spoonerism"? SimonTrew ( talk) 17:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Read WP:NOTCENSORED.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I edited The Fat Duck#Menu so that "Mad Hatter's Tea Party (c. 1892)" mentions its side dish of toast sandwichs. Likewise, I've included a subsection on the "Toast sandwich" article for The Fat Duck inclusion as a menu item.-- DrWho42 ( talk) 00:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barbaric-footage-foie-gras-duck-4793888#ICID=sharebar_facebook — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.143.235 ( talk) 21:42, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
This restaurant famously had 3*s but due to technical reasons (i.e. closed for renovation at time of assessment) rather than more conventional (food/experiece) reasons, this restaurant was omitted from the 2016 guide, thus technically 'losing' its status as a 3* restaurant. Pretty shocking that something this significant that happened 11 months ago wasn't on the article. I fully appreciate this is probably a temporary measure, but haven't put this as it would just be unfounded speculation by a non-expert editor. Feel free to amend to reflect this fairly using info that meets WP:IRS (but I feel the fact it lost them - with the explanation - is justified). If we're following an annual cycle, and my guess is accurate, I think this will become moot in a month anyway as the new guide is released and their stars re-instated. Rayman60 ( talk) 10:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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@ The Banner: Do you think boxing needs to be wikilinked? Or is it a commonly understood term that doesn't need linking per WP:OVERLINK? Popcornfud ( talk) 18:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
He said "Everything was fabulous about the evening – the food, the setting, the service, it was unbelievably good but unfortunately, afterwards, all of us were ill". This brings it in line with the MOS:LQ policy on formatting quotes. I assume you won't discuss that one either, so I'm going to go ahead and restore that change too. Popcornfud ( talk) 20:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Now your question: Why the change in sequence of the paragraphs?
I think it's simpler and clearer to explain events chronologically rather than go back and forth: the first event happened in 2004, the second event in 2009. I can't see any advantage in presenting this information in reverse chronology, and that's not usually how we sequence information on Wikipedia.
Popcornfud (
talk)
20:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
With regards to the boxing promoter: what is the relevance of his opinion? Is it not possible to just remove that part? The Banner talk 16:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
"On 27 February 2009, Blumenthal closed the Fat Duck temporarily after a number of customers reported (...)" is not an improvement compared with the original sentence "On 27 February 2009, Blumenthal closed his restaurant temporarily after a number of customers reported (...)". Reason for this is that this article is about The Fat Duck so there is no confusion possible about what restaurant we are talking about. In an article about Heston Blumenthal it makes sense, here it is an unnecessary chance and no improvement. The Banner talk 16:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)