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I changed the years in her carrer, since they didnt add up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HeatGuyRed ( talk •I [ Speial:Contributions/HeatGuyRed|contribs]]) 22:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC). BetacommandBot 09:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to read her book but I've seen her name as both Mary Lillian and just Lillian. I was just wondering which one it was because she has a daughter named Mary. ( MgTurtle 23:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)).
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Could someone please change the date of birth to September 15th 1923. This is clearly stated under reference 2 in the gallery of her 80th birthday celebration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.137.123 ( talk) 19:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
WWE.com have reported that Moolah has died. Steveweiser 15:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
WWE.com is reporting that Lilian Ellison, 84, aka The Fabulous Moolah, passed away yesterday. Her last appearance for the company was in a backstage skit with Coach, Vince McMahon and Mae Young at SummerSlam '07. No updates on cause —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.145.2 ( talk) 18:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should move this article to her real name and redirect this name to her real name. The rest of you agree? Govvy 17:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, Rip —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.254.125 ( talk) 03:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, how about now? Govvy ( talk) 14:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
There needs to be a redirect from "Mary Ellison." Not many non-fans trying to find out about this woman are going to know to put in her middle name. Kdammers ( talk) 03:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
When was she actually born? This article states that she was born on July 22nd 1923. However on fabulous moolah.com (in the gallery under birthday photos), it shows her celebrating with wwe superstars in the ring with the date underneath, September 15th. I would just like to know. Thanks (PS. RIP Moolah). Lee 18:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The New York Times obit, from which some information such as cause of death can be taken, is at "Mary Lillian Ellison, 84, the Fabulous Moolah, Is Dead" by RICHARD GOLDSTEIN Published: November 6, 2007
Also, since I can't get in as an IP, could someone please remove the tribute paragraph at the end? Tributes are strictly forbidden, as is posting the whole or the bulk of a press release. See WP:NOT. -- 69.22.254.111 18:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/sports/06moolah.html states that she died after shoulder replacement surgery and that she may of died from a heart attack or a blood clot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.11.223 ( talk) 18:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This story appears to have yoinked some text from the Wikipedia article without attribution. One sample passage ("Following her divorce from Long, she dated country singer Hank Williams for a year") was just added on 3 November 2007 13:59; the Salem-News.com story is dated 5 November 2007 06:44. Discuss. Emurphy42 11:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It states in this article that her parents' surname is Ellisor. Isn't this a spelling error as Moolah's real surname is Ellison? Lee 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone familiar with the JWPA title listed in her C & A section? I realize it is mentioned on her website, as cited, but that site doesn't say what the acronym stands for either. I don't find it on www.wrestling-titles.com or Solie's Title Histories. Is it something old and obscure? - Geoffg ( talk) 08:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Just want to let you know that at Unforgiven 2006, at Trish Stratus' last match, Jim Ross states that as far as WWE is concerned, at that time both Trish and Moolah were considered 6-time Women's Champions. previously she was considered by WWE as a four-time champion. Was this just a slip up or is there other evidence confirming WWE's recognition of two more title reigns? 122.107.191.102 ( talk) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
She has held the title six times, however 2 reigns are not recognised by WWE. Lee 19 January 2008, 17:32 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.116.52 ( talk)
I don't think its very polite to put that she almost had a nervous breakdown in the personal life section, i also don't think its right for the poor woman to tell the world the age she had when she first gave birth. Oh, is someone going to correct all the spelling mistakes in the personal life section? Kalajan ( talk) 21:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I know that getting photos are "difficult" but can't someone get a photo of when she was young and sexy? I HAVE LOTS OF PHOTOS.IM HER DAUGHTER...MARYAUSTIN1300@YAHOO.COM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryaustin ( talk • contribs) 04:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I hate to tell you guys this, but somebody with the handle "Tarantulacandy" on YouTube deleted the Controversial legacy section in order to win an argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--vkhYnE8Ls&feature=related
Did Moolah really use to do Flying headscissors and a missle dropkick? I know an article says that she did, but it might of just been speaking stereotypically, if that makes sense? Surely someone knows, like the sort of moves she used to do in her prime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.65.217 ( talk) 23:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Coelacanth1938 ( talk) 19:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
From the article it very clearly describes her doing an ordinary dropkick and a headscissors takedown, which is performed in the ring, not a diving headscissors performed from the turnbuckle. The article in no way mentions her jumping from the turnbuckle. This is why I have edited her move list.
I'll be reviewing this article. At first glance, it appears to be a brilliant article and I'm looking forward to reviewing it! Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 16:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
One thing to think about immediately: Enhance the article with a picture, poster, or photo of Moolah at the height of her career --- whether posed or a "live action" shot of her in the ring. Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Early life: I've reworked slightly for flow and to consolidate citations.
Early career (1940s–1950s): Some minor reworking for flow.
Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 13:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that some of the changes you made in the early life section included referring to her as Mary instead of Ellison. According to WP:SURNAME, the surname should be used. I haven't changed it back because you might be aware of some policy that I am not aware of... Nikki♥ 311 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
World Champion (1956–1970s)
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I'm ready to pass this article to GA but await any input, questions, feedback from you before I do so. Good article! I enjoyed reading and reviewing it. I suggest expanding some of the sections, and sending it to peer review with an eye to FA! Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
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I am a 63 year old wrestling fan. I have been a fan my whole life. As I remember, the correct way to refer to the Fabulous Moolah is "Fabulous Moolah." The word "the" should not be used when referring to her wrestling name. This is not a trivial point. Moefromlatin ( talk) 20:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC) moefromlatin
I think someone like Moolah could have a much better image for this page. The one on the page, looks... for lack of a better term... Low Grade. 50.81.18.248 ( talk) 17:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed that most of the training and promotion section is about allegations of sexual and financial exploitation of trainees. I wondered if this should not have it's own section considering the seriousness of the allegations? 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 18:22, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Historical records consistently support that she was the youngest child and only girl of five children, not 13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stembark ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Her biography "First Goddess of the Squared Circle" is a source for some of the material, but is more a biography of the character "The Fabulous Moolah" and not of the person who portrayed her, Lillian Ellison, so much of the info is based on 50 years of kayfabe.
The part about her marriage to Lonzie Walter Carroll and the birth of her daughter doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know when, or if, she graduated high school, but if she did on time, she probably graduated in 1940, as at the time, South Carolina had seven years of elementary school and four years of high school.
I found her daughter's birth announcement in a December 1941 issue of "The State" (Columbia, South Carolina) newspaper. So, she would have been 18 when her daughter was born. So I suspect she was probably 17 instead of 14 when she got married to Lonzie Walter Carroll. At least that's closer. From historical records, it appears he was probably born in 1919.
I'm not going to bother trying to change the article, as that info does come from a 'verifiable' (albeit dubious) source, but I thought it was worth pointing out. Stembark ( talk) 22:23, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that in the article it doesn't mention anything about Moolah owning Ladies International Wrestling Association (LIWA). She was the promoter when the company started in 1990 and shut down in 2000. It was based in North Carolina. She worked and wrestled for them between her WWF stints. I believe the reason the article does not mention LIWA is because there is no article for this promotion. Anyone have more information about the promotion? Kingzwest ( talk) 15:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)( talk)
Found the promotion Ladies Professional Wrestling Association based in Laughlin, Nevada. She never owned it. Tor Berg owned it from 1989 to 1992 and 1998 to 2000. I must be confused then. Kingzwest ( talk) 05:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)( talk)
I was randomly clicking around. Do you know which one is correct?? 199.197.71.32 ( talk) 14:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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I changed the years in her carrer, since they didnt add up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HeatGuyRed ( talk •I [ Speial:Contributions/HeatGuyRed|contribs]]) 22:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC). BetacommandBot 09:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to read her book but I've seen her name as both Mary Lillian and just Lillian. I was just wondering which one it was because she has a daughter named Mary. ( MgTurtle 23:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)).
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please change the date of birth to September 15th 1923. This is clearly stated under reference 2 in the gallery of her 80th birthday celebration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.137.123 ( talk) 19:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
WWE.com have reported that Moolah has died. Steveweiser 15:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
WWE.com is reporting that Lilian Ellison, 84, aka The Fabulous Moolah, passed away yesterday. Her last appearance for the company was in a backstage skit with Coach, Vince McMahon and Mae Young at SummerSlam '07. No updates on cause —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.145.2 ( talk) 18:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should move this article to her real name and redirect this name to her real name. The rest of you agree? Govvy 17:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, Rip —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.254.125 ( talk) 03:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, how about now? Govvy ( talk) 14:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
There needs to be a redirect from "Mary Ellison." Not many non-fans trying to find out about this woman are going to know to put in her middle name. Kdammers ( talk) 03:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
When was she actually born? This article states that she was born on July 22nd 1923. However on fabulous moolah.com (in the gallery under birthday photos), it shows her celebrating with wwe superstars in the ring with the date underneath, September 15th. I would just like to know. Thanks (PS. RIP Moolah). Lee 18:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The New York Times obit, from which some information such as cause of death can be taken, is at "Mary Lillian Ellison, 84, the Fabulous Moolah, Is Dead" by RICHARD GOLDSTEIN Published: November 6, 2007
Also, since I can't get in as an IP, could someone please remove the tribute paragraph at the end? Tributes are strictly forbidden, as is posting the whole or the bulk of a press release. See WP:NOT. -- 69.22.254.111 18:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/sports/06moolah.html states that she died after shoulder replacement surgery and that she may of died from a heart attack or a blood clot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.11.223 ( talk) 18:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This story appears to have yoinked some text from the Wikipedia article without attribution. One sample passage ("Following her divorce from Long, she dated country singer Hank Williams for a year") was just added on 3 November 2007 13:59; the Salem-News.com story is dated 5 November 2007 06:44. Discuss. Emurphy42 11:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It states in this article that her parents' surname is Ellisor. Isn't this a spelling error as Moolah's real surname is Ellison? Lee 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone familiar with the JWPA title listed in her C & A section? I realize it is mentioned on her website, as cited, but that site doesn't say what the acronym stands for either. I don't find it on www.wrestling-titles.com or Solie's Title Histories. Is it something old and obscure? - Geoffg ( talk) 08:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Just want to let you know that at Unforgiven 2006, at Trish Stratus' last match, Jim Ross states that as far as WWE is concerned, at that time both Trish and Moolah were considered 6-time Women's Champions. previously she was considered by WWE as a four-time champion. Was this just a slip up or is there other evidence confirming WWE's recognition of two more title reigns? 122.107.191.102 ( talk) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
She has held the title six times, however 2 reigns are not recognised by WWE. Lee 19 January 2008, 17:32 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.116.52 ( talk)
I don't think its very polite to put that she almost had a nervous breakdown in the personal life section, i also don't think its right for the poor woman to tell the world the age she had when she first gave birth. Oh, is someone going to correct all the spelling mistakes in the personal life section? Kalajan ( talk) 21:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I know that getting photos are "difficult" but can't someone get a photo of when she was young and sexy? I HAVE LOTS OF PHOTOS.IM HER DAUGHTER...MARYAUSTIN1300@YAHOO.COM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryaustin ( talk • contribs) 04:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I hate to tell you guys this, but somebody with the handle "Tarantulacandy" on YouTube deleted the Controversial legacy section in order to win an argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--vkhYnE8Ls&feature=related
Did Moolah really use to do Flying headscissors and a missle dropkick? I know an article says that she did, but it might of just been speaking stereotypically, if that makes sense? Surely someone knows, like the sort of moves she used to do in her prime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.65.217 ( talk) 23:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Coelacanth1938 ( talk) 19:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
From the article it very clearly describes her doing an ordinary dropkick and a headscissors takedown, which is performed in the ring, not a diving headscissors performed from the turnbuckle. The article in no way mentions her jumping from the turnbuckle. This is why I have edited her move list.
I'll be reviewing this article. At first glance, it appears to be a brilliant article and I'm looking forward to reviewing it! Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 16:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
One thing to think about immediately: Enhance the article with a picture, poster, or photo of Moolah at the height of her career --- whether posed or a "live action" shot of her in the ring. Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Early life: I've reworked slightly for flow and to consolidate citations.
Early career (1940s–1950s): Some minor reworking for flow.
Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 13:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that some of the changes you made in the early life section included referring to her as Mary instead of Ellison. According to WP:SURNAME, the surname should be used. I haven't changed it back because you might be aware of some policy that I am not aware of... Nikki♥ 311 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
World Champion (1956–1970s)
Great work here. I very much enjoy reading and reviewing this article! Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 17:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection (1980s)
Otherwise fine here. Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 21:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Semi-retirement
Otherwise fine here. Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 21:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Training and promoting
Other media
Personal life
Lead
Final review
I'm ready to pass this article to GA but await any input, questions, feedback from you before I do so. Good article! I enjoyed reading and reviewing it. I suggest expanding some of the sections, and sending it to peer review with an eye to FA! Kathyrncelestewright ( talk) 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
This GA review was conducted by an account subsequently discovered to be operated by a user that made use of multiple accounts. Importantly, there is nothing that supports a concern passing their own GAs or passing 'sub-GA' articles authored by others occurred. In the interest of transparency and rigor, discussion agreed reviews against the underlying articles be checked.
The article received a clearly in-depth review, and was nominated by a highly-experienced GA reviewer. I've just a few comments:
Overview: I've checked the article against the criteria. I agree with the review's pass of the article and with its comments. The review and GA status should stand. – Whitehorse1 03:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I am a 63 year old wrestling fan. I have been a fan my whole life. As I remember, the correct way to refer to the Fabulous Moolah is "Fabulous Moolah." The word "the" should not be used when referring to her wrestling name. This is not a trivial point. Moefromlatin ( talk) 20:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC) moefromlatin
I think someone like Moolah could have a much better image for this page. The one on the page, looks... for lack of a better term... Low Grade. 50.81.18.248 ( talk) 17:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed that most of the training and promotion section is about allegations of sexual and financial exploitation of trainees. I wondered if this should not have it's own section considering the seriousness of the allegations? 82.9.239.174 ( talk) 18:22, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Historical records consistently support that she was the youngest child and only girl of five children, not 13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stembark ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Her biography "First Goddess of the Squared Circle" is a source for some of the material, but is more a biography of the character "The Fabulous Moolah" and not of the person who portrayed her, Lillian Ellison, so much of the info is based on 50 years of kayfabe.
The part about her marriage to Lonzie Walter Carroll and the birth of her daughter doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know when, or if, she graduated high school, but if she did on time, she probably graduated in 1940, as at the time, South Carolina had seven years of elementary school and four years of high school.
I found her daughter's birth announcement in a December 1941 issue of "The State" (Columbia, South Carolina) newspaper. So, she would have been 18 when her daughter was born. So I suspect she was probably 17 instead of 14 when she got married to Lonzie Walter Carroll. At least that's closer. From historical records, it appears he was probably born in 1919.
I'm not going to bother trying to change the article, as that info does come from a 'verifiable' (albeit dubious) source, but I thought it was worth pointing out. Stembark ( talk) 22:23, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that in the article it doesn't mention anything about Moolah owning Ladies International Wrestling Association (LIWA). She was the promoter when the company started in 1990 and shut down in 2000. It was based in North Carolina. She worked and wrestled for them between her WWF stints. I believe the reason the article does not mention LIWA is because there is no article for this promotion. Anyone have more information about the promotion? Kingzwest ( talk) 15:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)( talk)
Found the promotion Ladies Professional Wrestling Association based in Laughlin, Nevada. She never owned it. Tor Berg owned it from 1989 to 1992 and 1998 to 2000. I must be confused then. Kingzwest ( talk) 05:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)( talk)
I was randomly clicking around. Do you know which one is correct?? 199.197.71.32 ( talk) 14:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)