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I was thinking of adding the note:
But I was worried it might be a bit ephemeral for this place. What does anyone else think? Angmering 12:46, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
As with the article on the first new Dr Who episode, I think the synopsis needs to be shortened, to include only major plot points. Would anyone conceivably need such a detailed analysis? It seems unencyclopedic, fuelled only by fans. Moreover, should every single episode of every single TV series ever have such a long synopsis? Unless anyone has any radical objections I'll try and shorten it in a few days. (I don't edit the discussion pages very often, apologies for any mistakes in formatting) - Inebriatedonkey
more detailed plotting further down, possibly even after the notes. Why don't we try that on a couple and see how it goes? GraemeLeggett 08:46, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
We should settle this for reasons of consistency. Previous serial and episode articles have had "originally aired" - which is accurate, as they were free-to-air. The new ones have had first broadcast because we now have cable and satellite transmission, but the earlier ones I think should stay as "aired". Thoughts? -- khaosworks 17:07, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There are some wild inferences in the notes about the eye of harmony! (Especially the pumping). I suspect some light will be thrown on events, at least as far as the spin-off novels are concerned, in the forthcoming novel the Gallifrey Chronicles, and possibly within the series. Tim! ( talk) 20:24, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article needs to be renamed. End of the World is a fairly large disambiguation page and "The End of the World" needs to point to it. I would suggest "The End of the World (television)", however I will solicit your input before making any changes. Stbalbach 16:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am in the USA and have not yet had the privelege of watching the new Doctor Who series. But - I remember a loooong time ago (almost 20 years) I saw a first doctor episode from the 1960s where they were on a "eco-bio ship" carrying the last humans from Earth to a new planet just before the sun expanded into a red giant and destroyed the earth. I recall the Doctor watching the event from the spaceship. If so, it would mean that this ninth doctor is actually in the same place and time as the 1st doctor! Interesting concept. Does nayone know the episode Im talking about from the 60s? If so, we should put it in as a trivia item or an actual note regarding a plot issue. - Husnock 06:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The article lists "Forest of Cheem" although when I heard it I'd assumed it was a pun on "Forest of Cheam". Pity ... -- Vamp: Willow 19:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Jabe's 'long appendage' is actually a liana -- Jawr256 07:30, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether I have my words mixed up or not, but isn't "Bad Wolf" a repeated meme? CNash 12:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I watched with subtitles on DVD and this came up as "repeated mean". After a bit of a laugh, I heard Doc say "But what is a mean?" when he pulls off the arm. Anyone else get this? MartinSFSA ( talk) 19:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The source for info on guests such as the University ones and the Rex Vok Jax bit comes from where? It's neither in the program nor in Monsters and Villains.-- 213.18.248.23 07:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I have the book: it has nothing to do with the Rex Vok Jax or the Class 55.-- 84.51.149.80 15:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know about the scripts, but it is actually in Monsters and Villains. I wouldn't have imagained that it's in the scripts: the Rex Vox Jax and the Class Fifty-Five sections weren't mentioned in the actual program.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Josiah tried a compromise wording as follows:
First of all, as I've said before, that last sentence is purely speculative. TheDoctor10 also refuses to provide a source for who speculates as such, except to mention some vague names which I presume are simply his friends. That aside, the compromise isn't much, unfortunately, because the sentence is a non-sequitor. How is it speculative that the Apple or Cup part is the use of an alphabetical word from Earth if it is self apparent? Also, nowhere is the letter "B" used where it can be inferred that B means ball, since the two uses we've seen so far are whole words. Everything there is self-evident; the reader isn't an idiot - they can draw their own conclusions, in the same way they don't need a link to the FOIA 2000 to see that format. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to be babyish, but I will keep re-adding it. I think it is worth it, the individuals I named think it is worth it, I will, if you like, write to Russel T Davies personally (via the BBC) and ask him what he thinks. You say I cannot name friends as a source. Two points: a)Why not? b)Who said anything about their being my friends? The same goes with List of minor Doctor Who villains.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I certainly shall do. You, however, must agree that if I receive a reply saying that either he or the Beeb think it's "good" speculation, it stays in the article. However, nice work on Doctor Who items. See: you can compromise if you try.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 14:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
RTD approves of speculation: not necessarily of this, but in general. The Bad Wolf.org.uk website among other things is testimony to that. If he thinks that this speculation is not too far out, then I am going to feel that it may be used. For proof of the reply, the best I can do is either scan the letter and upload it, or you can first write to him, give him a password, then he gives it to me in his reply. If you have better ways of proving that my life goes no further than faking letters from BBC script-writers, please say so below. Yours, with the greatest <!--lack of--> respect,-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 06:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC) hidden text revealed by Josiah Rowe 07:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Shall we ask Jimbo's opinion then?-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
How does one contact him? Once, I left a message on his talkpage and someone else replied. Should I call the 'phone number for the press?-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
What...an almighty admin like you not knowing how to contact his boss? I'm shocked!(from TheDoctor10)
Josiah, see the Talk:List of minor Doctor Who villains.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm questioning the notability of noting what is very obviously an error in the subtitles. There is no significance to this.
Also, there is no basis for speculating that the Doctor scavenged from the "ruins of Gallifrey". At least the idea that it is no longer powered by the Eye of Harmony can be deduced from the classic series and the refuelling in Boom Town, but I don't see where you can reasonably get the idea he was scavenging from the ruins of Gallifrey in specific. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 10:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd say that the "scavenged from Gallifrey" is a possibility, though I admit it's in the same class as 5.4/Cup/15 - what I call statements of the truth and what you call lies/speculation. However, I don't want another argument, so I'll await your replies here. This isn't intended to be an ultimatum, but I'll take it that you agree if there aren't any replies within 24hrs.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 18:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't ask for a poll. Tim!'s comment doesn't count because he's just saying no on principle. I imagain the rest of you are too, but I won't labour the point.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 10:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't know that "Toxic" was released as a 12" single. I think that RTD wrote in a DWM "Production Notes" that it wasn't released on vinyl at all. Evidently he was wrong, but the point was probably that there wasn't a single of "Toxic" that could be played in the jukebox they had on set, and they had to mock one up. I'll see if I can find the DWM reference to confirm it later. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Am I the only person to think that this episode "borrowed" heavily from The Restaurant at the end of the Universe? -- Dweller 14:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice Point but that could be true because If you look at the old series you will find that Duglas Adams did some work on some of them. Doctorwho642 05:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I made a whole bunch of changes, mainly to break up the trivia section. I added "Cast Notes," "Production," "Broadcast," and "Continuity" sections. I left the "Continuity" section as bulleted text, but changed "Production" and "Broadcast" to prose, in the hopes that somebody will fill those sections in a bit more in the future. I deleted a few speculative or original research bits, a few that weren't particularly relevent to this particular episode, and cleaned up a few links and the references. Apologies if I've deleted anyone's favorite bit, but hopefully, if anyone puts something back, it'll at least be a little easier to find. -- Brian Olsen 23:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The article states "The Fourth Doctor found it unusual that Sarah would ask about understanding other languages, but the Ninth Doctor is not surprised by Rose's question here." I think this slightly misrepresents the events in The Masque of Mandragora. To my recollection, when Sarah asks about understanding Italian, she was under the hypnotic influence of Hieronymous. The Doctor had told her long ago (off-screen, presumably) that it was a Time Lord gift he shared with her, and found it strange that she was (again) asking about the language issue. In fact, this was what tipped him off to the fact that she was under some influence. So the Doctor's surprise was very circumstantial and was very much unlike Rose asking about the language issue on her very first trip. -- Peter Niemeyer 15:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
could anyone tell me how the doctor managed to get passed the third fan with his eyes closed? some kind of a time lord ability? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.104.211.190 ( talk) 01:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be interesting to mention the references to Dunes in this episode?
To me it seems blatant, but if I'm unconvincing, I suppose that we could drag some Dune article writer into the debate. 87.64.123.4 ( talk) 03:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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through gaining compensation from staging a hostage situationis awkward and uncommon phrasing - just say 'by fabricating a hostage situation'
but actuallysuggests she's not the last human, when she is. Could rephrase to 'billed as "the last human", though she remains only a face on a large piece of skin that must be continually moisturised, with her brain in a vat below' or something
because she was about to be unavailable working on the film The Business- again, awkward and uncommon, would be better as 'because of commitments for film The Business that would make her unavailable'
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I was thinking of adding the note:
But I was worried it might be a bit ephemeral for this place. What does anyone else think? Angmering 12:46, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
As with the article on the first new Dr Who episode, I think the synopsis needs to be shortened, to include only major plot points. Would anyone conceivably need such a detailed analysis? It seems unencyclopedic, fuelled only by fans. Moreover, should every single episode of every single TV series ever have such a long synopsis? Unless anyone has any radical objections I'll try and shorten it in a few days. (I don't edit the discussion pages very often, apologies for any mistakes in formatting) - Inebriatedonkey
more detailed plotting further down, possibly even after the notes. Why don't we try that on a couple and see how it goes? GraemeLeggett 08:46, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
We should settle this for reasons of consistency. Previous serial and episode articles have had "originally aired" - which is accurate, as they were free-to-air. The new ones have had first broadcast because we now have cable and satellite transmission, but the earlier ones I think should stay as "aired". Thoughts? -- khaosworks 17:07, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There are some wild inferences in the notes about the eye of harmony! (Especially the pumping). I suspect some light will be thrown on events, at least as far as the spin-off novels are concerned, in the forthcoming novel the Gallifrey Chronicles, and possibly within the series. Tim! ( talk) 20:24, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article needs to be renamed. End of the World is a fairly large disambiguation page and "The End of the World" needs to point to it. I would suggest "The End of the World (television)", however I will solicit your input before making any changes. Stbalbach 16:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am in the USA and have not yet had the privelege of watching the new Doctor Who series. But - I remember a loooong time ago (almost 20 years) I saw a first doctor episode from the 1960s where they were on a "eco-bio ship" carrying the last humans from Earth to a new planet just before the sun expanded into a red giant and destroyed the earth. I recall the Doctor watching the event from the spaceship. If so, it would mean that this ninth doctor is actually in the same place and time as the 1st doctor! Interesting concept. Does nayone know the episode Im talking about from the 60s? If so, we should put it in as a trivia item or an actual note regarding a plot issue. - Husnock 06:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The article lists "Forest of Cheem" although when I heard it I'd assumed it was a pun on "Forest of Cheam". Pity ... -- Vamp: Willow 19:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Jabe's 'long appendage' is actually a liana -- Jawr256 07:30, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether I have my words mixed up or not, but isn't "Bad Wolf" a repeated meme? CNash 12:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I watched with subtitles on DVD and this came up as "repeated mean". After a bit of a laugh, I heard Doc say "But what is a mean?" when he pulls off the arm. Anyone else get this? MartinSFSA ( talk) 19:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The source for info on guests such as the University ones and the Rex Vok Jax bit comes from where? It's neither in the program nor in Monsters and Villains.-- 213.18.248.23 07:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I have the book: it has nothing to do with the Rex Vok Jax or the Class 55.-- 84.51.149.80 15:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know about the scripts, but it is actually in Monsters and Villains. I wouldn't have imagained that it's in the scripts: the Rex Vox Jax and the Class Fifty-Five sections weren't mentioned in the actual program.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Josiah tried a compromise wording as follows:
First of all, as I've said before, that last sentence is purely speculative. TheDoctor10 also refuses to provide a source for who speculates as such, except to mention some vague names which I presume are simply his friends. That aside, the compromise isn't much, unfortunately, because the sentence is a non-sequitor. How is it speculative that the Apple or Cup part is the use of an alphabetical word from Earth if it is self apparent? Also, nowhere is the letter "B" used where it can be inferred that B means ball, since the two uses we've seen so far are whole words. Everything there is self-evident; the reader isn't an idiot - they can draw their own conclusions, in the same way they don't need a link to the FOIA 2000 to see that format. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to be babyish, but I will keep re-adding it. I think it is worth it, the individuals I named think it is worth it, I will, if you like, write to Russel T Davies personally (via the BBC) and ask him what he thinks. You say I cannot name friends as a source. Two points: a)Why not? b)Who said anything about their being my friends? The same goes with List of minor Doctor Who villains.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I certainly shall do. You, however, must agree that if I receive a reply saying that either he or the Beeb think it's "good" speculation, it stays in the article. However, nice work on Doctor Who items. See: you can compromise if you try.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 14:22, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
RTD approves of speculation: not necessarily of this, but in general. The Bad Wolf.org.uk website among other things is testimony to that. If he thinks that this speculation is not too far out, then I am going to feel that it may be used. For proof of the reply, the best I can do is either scan the letter and upload it, or you can first write to him, give him a password, then he gives it to me in his reply. If you have better ways of proving that my life goes no further than faking letters from BBC script-writers, please say so below. Yours, with the greatest <!--lack of--> respect,-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 06:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC) hidden text revealed by Josiah Rowe 07:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Shall we ask Jimbo's opinion then?-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
How does one contact him? Once, I left a message on his talkpage and someone else replied. Should I call the 'phone number for the press?-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
What...an almighty admin like you not knowing how to contact his boss? I'm shocked!(from TheDoctor10)
Josiah, see the Talk:List of minor Doctor Who villains.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 07:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm questioning the notability of noting what is very obviously an error in the subtitles. There is no significance to this.
Also, there is no basis for speculating that the Doctor scavenged from the "ruins of Gallifrey". At least the idea that it is no longer powered by the Eye of Harmony can be deduced from the classic series and the refuelling in Boom Town, but I don't see where you can reasonably get the idea he was scavenging from the ruins of Gallifrey in specific. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 10:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd say that the "scavenged from Gallifrey" is a possibility, though I admit it's in the same class as 5.4/Cup/15 - what I call statements of the truth and what you call lies/speculation. However, I don't want another argument, so I'll await your replies here. This isn't intended to be an ultimatum, but I'll take it that you agree if there aren't any replies within 24hrs.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 18:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't ask for a poll. Tim!'s comment doesn't count because he's just saying no on principle. I imagain the rest of you are too, but I won't labour the point.-- TheDoctor10 ( talk| email) 10:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't know that "Toxic" was released as a 12" single. I think that RTD wrote in a DWM "Production Notes" that it wasn't released on vinyl at all. Evidently he was wrong, but the point was probably that there wasn't a single of "Toxic" that could be played in the jukebox they had on set, and they had to mock one up. I'll see if I can find the DWM reference to confirm it later. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Am I the only person to think that this episode "borrowed" heavily from The Restaurant at the end of the Universe? -- Dweller 14:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice Point but that could be true because If you look at the old series you will find that Duglas Adams did some work on some of them. Doctorwho642 05:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I made a whole bunch of changes, mainly to break up the trivia section. I added "Cast Notes," "Production," "Broadcast," and "Continuity" sections. I left the "Continuity" section as bulleted text, but changed "Production" and "Broadcast" to prose, in the hopes that somebody will fill those sections in a bit more in the future. I deleted a few speculative or original research bits, a few that weren't particularly relevent to this particular episode, and cleaned up a few links and the references. Apologies if I've deleted anyone's favorite bit, but hopefully, if anyone puts something back, it'll at least be a little easier to find. -- Brian Olsen 23:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The article states "The Fourth Doctor found it unusual that Sarah would ask about understanding other languages, but the Ninth Doctor is not surprised by Rose's question here." I think this slightly misrepresents the events in The Masque of Mandragora. To my recollection, when Sarah asks about understanding Italian, she was under the hypnotic influence of Hieronymous. The Doctor had told her long ago (off-screen, presumably) that it was a Time Lord gift he shared with her, and found it strange that she was (again) asking about the language issue. In fact, this was what tipped him off to the fact that she was under some influence. So the Doctor's surprise was very circumstantial and was very much unlike Rose asking about the language issue on her very first trip. -- Peter Niemeyer 15:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
could anyone tell me how the doctor managed to get passed the third fan with his eyes closed? some kind of a time lord ability? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.104.211.190 ( talk) 01:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be interesting to mention the references to Dunes in this episode?
To me it seems blatant, but if I'm unconvincing, I suppose that we could drag some Dune article writer into the debate. 87.64.123.4 ( talk) 03:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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through gaining compensation from staging a hostage situationis awkward and uncommon phrasing - just say 'by fabricating a hostage situation'
but actuallysuggests she's not the last human, when she is. Could rephrase to 'billed as "the last human", though she remains only a face on a large piece of skin that must be continually moisturised, with her brain in a vat below' or something
because she was about to be unavailable working on the film The Business- again, awkward and uncommon, would be better as 'because of commitments for film The Business that would make her unavailable'