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Reviewer: hamiltonstone ( talk) 03:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The article is relatively stable and mostly neutral. The article has a range of issues. Although it does not meet the 'quick-fail' criteria, i don't expect that these issues can be resolved i nthe short term. I will place it on hold for the week. It can always be renominated if the issues are not able to be resolved this time around.
(Just a sample of specific points picked up at this stage)
These are just some main points. I'll drop in to see how it's going. hamiltonstone ( talk) 03:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, an update on what I've managed to do so far.
I've been unable to get references for the DVDs and Novels section to state when they were released etc. Not sure how to proceed with this. After a lot of searching, I have managed to find refs.
I've tried to format the references to display dates etc but it hasn't worked. Not sure why that is. Could it be something to do with the URL or am I missing a template somewhere?
I've added a feature now to my Wikipedia which may help with this. Am going to try this out tomorrow now.. The references should now be referenced and displaying ok. They are displaying ok. Woohoo!!
Revised the section about Scotland. Have created a broadcast section split into 3 parts, England, Scotland and watching The Bill through digital TV.
I've made it clearer which settings are fictional and which aren't.
Episodes - I've gone into more detail for the two live episodes. Also moved the information for the special episodes in Germany up to this section.
I've revised the Production section so hopefully it now adheres to NPOV.
Analysis of impact or legacy - not sure about this. I don't think that there's been any legacy as such. I know that The Bill must do things differently as to how the real Police do things otherwise they'd probably find themselves in trouble for impersonating police. However, not able to find out exactly what they do differently! Google hasn't brought up anything, neither has ITV or The Bill's website, neither have cast interviews. Not sure what, if anything, can be done about this. Section now written for this.
Ratings data - the most recent I can get is July and even then it's not that accurate. July is no good as Wikipedia needs to be as up-to-date as possible so again not sure what to do about this. The programme has won one award, a BAFTA within the last year, more information will be needed on this.
The cast tables are just meant to be the current cast. However not sure what would count as a lead section. I did think of just stating that this was a current cast table but thought that was kind of obvious. I did think about mentioning the ranks of the officers, but that's already mentioned in the table. Not sure what to do with this part. I've written what I think counts as a lead-in section now for the cast table. Also provided a reference for current and past cast members. Will probably totally re-write this section so more information on previous notable cast members is included. Section now totally re-written and includes notable past cast members now.
I will try to get information on how Canley is contigous with Tower H. If I can't get it, it will be removed. No information found so this has now been erased from the article. Also found that some of the information in the settings/filming section may not be NPOV so this information has either been erased or re-worded.
As The Bill is an ongoing series, I'm not sure why the DVD part goes between series and season. Possibly a mistake by whoever entered those details, will change it to read series.
No information has been made available yet that I can see about who the new composer for the theme tune is. Not sure what to do on this one. Now have info on the composer and article is now written about the theme tune --
5 albert square (
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02:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree with hamiltonstone that this article has a number of issues.
Editors have been very active in improving this article, and it has changed very considerably since I first started the review. There are still many issues, however as long as editors remain highly active, I will keep working through points with them. Here are some outstanding things to be dealt with for GA status, not in a very logical order. I will come back in a few days again.
Your patience and willingness to work through points is much appreciated. HJMitchell You rang? 20:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hamiltonstone!
Thanks for your comments. ITV is a free-to-air public company as it is basically paid for by the companies who advertise on it. ITV 3 (the channel that the repeats are shown on in Scotland) is free to air for the same reason but is only available through Cable/Freeview/Sky TV.
The Bill originally aired twice a week in two half hour slots. This changed around 1997 (?) when it still aired twice a week but in two one hour slots. This remained the same until July this year when The Bill had a major revamp (hence the new opening titles) and now airs once a week with a one hour slot and then being repeated on ITV3 on a Monday night.
I am going to go to my local library tomorrow and see if I can get any books out about The Bill, might be able to write a little more about the history then. If not, I'll search for books on Amazon and eBay.
Thanks for everyones help and patience with this :) -- 5 albert square ( talk) 23:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I acknowledge that there is work to be done yet and User:5 albert square have agreed on a "to do" list. However, we should be able to complete most of these within a few days. The concise version of the list is below:
Any advice or input, or any observations I've missed, would be much appreciated. HJMitchell You rang? 15:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to HJM and 5 albert square for continuing the rapid improvement of this article. That has been very impressive. There is still a great deal needing doing. This article is the top-level article about one of British television's most significant productions, so it is to be expected that quite a bit of work is involved. I am holding the GA review open because of the enthusiasm of the editors. Here is my latest list of stuff still to do. i appreciate editors may feel disappointed that some things are raised here that have not been raised before, but I previously indicated that my points have never been comprehensive, because there was so much to do. Anyway, here are my current suggestions, and this time the list is getting close to comprehensive (ie. if all these things were done, the article would be very close to GA):
I know that's quite a list, but the article is going really well and some of these things aren't as hard as they look (!). Regards, hamiltonstone ( talk) 01:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Editors working to improve this article still seem active, though the review has been open a long time. I'm hoping the referencing issues will get tackled soon. I'll keep dropping in and hold this open as long as editors are busy addressing the GA review issues. Try to prioritise the Ga review issues rather than any other improvements, where possible. Thanks. hamiltonstone ( talk) 01:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
This is coming along well. I am making some revisions and copyedits, but i have a few points i cannot resolve myself:
removed. HJMitchell You rang?
Done HJMitchell You rang? 20:46, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Done* There is text in the section on novels that is going to need a reference, or to be deleted:
Obviously there are other things that could be improved, but for GA i'd like to see the bulk of these detailed points resolved. happy to discuss. Please feel free to check my copyedits and discuss any that editors don't agree with. hamiltonstone ( talk) 03:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I just
looked at this. It appears to me that The Bill Uncovered are either episodes or spin-offs, but not documentaries, and the article is not accurate in this regard. I will try and fix this for the first of the four items, but the rest need sorting / refs or something. Sorry, but I keep finding problems with accuracy and clarity. Should be sorted soon.
hamiltonstone (
talk) 01:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC) i fixed it myself.
hamiltonstone (
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02:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
This para is almost incomprehensible, and the reference isn't much better. Can someone fix this?
"In the late 1990s, when The Bill aired on Tuesday and Thursday at 8pm, the ratings varied between 7 and 10 million viewers per episode. In comparison to this, EastEnders, which aired on BBC1 at 7.30pm on Tuesday and Thursday attracted on average 14.95 million viewers per episode, whereas, in the same period (October) in 1999, The Bill was averaging approximately 18 million viewers over both its Tuesday and Thursday episodes, compared with D.I.Y. SOS, which aired at the same time on BBC1, averaged 8 million viewers."
Ta. hamiltonstone ( talk) 02:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I went back to that data and noticed three things:
Accordingly, I have deleted the paragraph. Now I'm going to pass this at GA before I find anything else! Cheers. hamiltonstone ( talk) 23:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: hamiltonstone ( talk) 03:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The article is relatively stable and mostly neutral. The article has a range of issues. Although it does not meet the 'quick-fail' criteria, i don't expect that these issues can be resolved i nthe short term. I will place it on hold for the week. It can always be renominated if the issues are not able to be resolved this time around.
(Just a sample of specific points picked up at this stage)
These are just some main points. I'll drop in to see how it's going. hamiltonstone ( talk) 03:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, an update on what I've managed to do so far.
I've been unable to get references for the DVDs and Novels section to state when they were released etc. Not sure how to proceed with this. After a lot of searching, I have managed to find refs.
I've tried to format the references to display dates etc but it hasn't worked. Not sure why that is. Could it be something to do with the URL or am I missing a template somewhere?
I've added a feature now to my Wikipedia which may help with this. Am going to try this out tomorrow now.. The references should now be referenced and displaying ok. They are displaying ok. Woohoo!!
Revised the section about Scotland. Have created a broadcast section split into 3 parts, England, Scotland and watching The Bill through digital TV.
I've made it clearer which settings are fictional and which aren't.
Episodes - I've gone into more detail for the two live episodes. Also moved the information for the special episodes in Germany up to this section.
I've revised the Production section so hopefully it now adheres to NPOV.
Analysis of impact or legacy - not sure about this. I don't think that there's been any legacy as such. I know that The Bill must do things differently as to how the real Police do things otherwise they'd probably find themselves in trouble for impersonating police. However, not able to find out exactly what they do differently! Google hasn't brought up anything, neither has ITV or The Bill's website, neither have cast interviews. Not sure what, if anything, can be done about this. Section now written for this.
Ratings data - the most recent I can get is July and even then it's not that accurate. July is no good as Wikipedia needs to be as up-to-date as possible so again not sure what to do about this. The programme has won one award, a BAFTA within the last year, more information will be needed on this.
The cast tables are just meant to be the current cast. However not sure what would count as a lead section. I did think of just stating that this was a current cast table but thought that was kind of obvious. I did think about mentioning the ranks of the officers, but that's already mentioned in the table. Not sure what to do with this part. I've written what I think counts as a lead-in section now for the cast table. Also provided a reference for current and past cast members. Will probably totally re-write this section so more information on previous notable cast members is included. Section now totally re-written and includes notable past cast members now.
I will try to get information on how Canley is contigous with Tower H. If I can't get it, it will be removed. No information found so this has now been erased from the article. Also found that some of the information in the settings/filming section may not be NPOV so this information has either been erased or re-worded.
As The Bill is an ongoing series, I'm not sure why the DVD part goes between series and season. Possibly a mistake by whoever entered those details, will change it to read series.
No information has been made available yet that I can see about who the new composer for the theme tune is. Not sure what to do on this one. Now have info on the composer and article is now written about the theme tune --
5 albert square (
talk)
02:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree with hamiltonstone that this article has a number of issues.
Editors have been very active in improving this article, and it has changed very considerably since I first started the review. There are still many issues, however as long as editors remain highly active, I will keep working through points with them. Here are some outstanding things to be dealt with for GA status, not in a very logical order. I will come back in a few days again.
Your patience and willingness to work through points is much appreciated. HJMitchell You rang? 20:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Hamiltonstone!
Thanks for your comments. ITV is a free-to-air public company as it is basically paid for by the companies who advertise on it. ITV 3 (the channel that the repeats are shown on in Scotland) is free to air for the same reason but is only available through Cable/Freeview/Sky TV.
The Bill originally aired twice a week in two half hour slots. This changed around 1997 (?) when it still aired twice a week but in two one hour slots. This remained the same until July this year when The Bill had a major revamp (hence the new opening titles) and now airs once a week with a one hour slot and then being repeated on ITV3 on a Monday night.
I am going to go to my local library tomorrow and see if I can get any books out about The Bill, might be able to write a little more about the history then. If not, I'll search for books on Amazon and eBay.
Thanks for everyones help and patience with this :) -- 5 albert square ( talk) 23:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I acknowledge that there is work to be done yet and User:5 albert square have agreed on a "to do" list. However, we should be able to complete most of these within a few days. The concise version of the list is below:
Any advice or input, or any observations I've missed, would be much appreciated. HJMitchell You rang? 15:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to HJM and 5 albert square for continuing the rapid improvement of this article. That has been very impressive. There is still a great deal needing doing. This article is the top-level article about one of British television's most significant productions, so it is to be expected that quite a bit of work is involved. I am holding the GA review open because of the enthusiasm of the editors. Here is my latest list of stuff still to do. i appreciate editors may feel disappointed that some things are raised here that have not been raised before, but I previously indicated that my points have never been comprehensive, because there was so much to do. Anyway, here are my current suggestions, and this time the list is getting close to comprehensive (ie. if all these things were done, the article would be very close to GA):
I know that's quite a list, but the article is going really well and some of these things aren't as hard as they look (!). Regards, hamiltonstone ( talk) 01:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Editors working to improve this article still seem active, though the review has been open a long time. I'm hoping the referencing issues will get tackled soon. I'll keep dropping in and hold this open as long as editors are busy addressing the GA review issues. Try to prioritise the Ga review issues rather than any other improvements, where possible. Thanks. hamiltonstone ( talk) 01:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
This is coming along well. I am making some revisions and copyedits, but i have a few points i cannot resolve myself:
removed. HJMitchell You rang?
Done HJMitchell You rang? 20:46, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Done* There is text in the section on novels that is going to need a reference, or to be deleted:
Obviously there are other things that could be improved, but for GA i'd like to see the bulk of these detailed points resolved. happy to discuss. Please feel free to check my copyedits and discuss any that editors don't agree with. hamiltonstone ( talk) 03:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I just
looked at this. It appears to me that The Bill Uncovered are either episodes or spin-offs, but not documentaries, and the article is not accurate in this regard. I will try and fix this for the first of the four items, but the rest need sorting / refs or something. Sorry, but I keep finding problems with accuracy and clarity. Should be sorted soon.
hamiltonstone (
talk) 01:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC) i fixed it myself.
hamiltonstone (
talk)
02:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
This para is almost incomprehensible, and the reference isn't much better. Can someone fix this?
"In the late 1990s, when The Bill aired on Tuesday and Thursday at 8pm, the ratings varied between 7 and 10 million viewers per episode. In comparison to this, EastEnders, which aired on BBC1 at 7.30pm on Tuesday and Thursday attracted on average 14.95 million viewers per episode, whereas, in the same period (October) in 1999, The Bill was averaging approximately 18 million viewers over both its Tuesday and Thursday episodes, compared with D.I.Y. SOS, which aired at the same time on BBC1, averaged 8 million viewers."
Ta. hamiltonstone ( talk) 02:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I went back to that data and noticed three things:
Accordingly, I have deleted the paragraph. Now I'm going to pass this at GA before I find anything else! Cheers. hamiltonstone ( talk) 23:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)