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Favre1fan93: All of the MCU films are "based on the Marvel comic by [authors]" per the credits, but we've been treating them all as referring to the characters, not specific titles. Plus, the link still directs to
the team and not
the set of comic books, so I think it shouldn't be in italics. In other words, if we italicize Avengers in the |Based on=
, we should apply that same logic and italicize every character listed in the |Based on=
parameter of all the other films, and I don't think that's appropriate. —
El Millo (
talk) 22:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirbyand
"Captain America" created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. — El Millo ( talk) 22:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby(bolding mine), which implies the comic book ( The Avengers (comic book)), not the team, which is how it had been linked. The Cap part is there because the character appears in the film and is similar to the credits DC has to put whenever Superman appears; we can ignore this. @ IronManCap: I'm pretty sure in all the solo franchise credits, the "Based on" text like Facu linked for his is just for the title character. Yes, there are comic storylines that inspire all of these films, but they are usually amalgamations of multiple ones and not direct adaptations. Regarding Armor Wars for the time being, as announced it was said it was more or less an adaption of that storyline, which would include Rhodey (who is not the main part of it in the comics). That's why, for the time being, I don't think putting "Based on War Machine" on that article is appropriate. That very well may change though. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel comic by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, so there's no difference in wording between the credits for Avengers films and the credits for solo films. That's why we can't argue that
the Marvel comicrefers to a comic book instead of a character only in the case of the Avengers films. All refer to a "Marvel comic", which doesn't necessarily mean they mean a specific comic book. If we are going to italicize some of them with that reasoning, we should italicize all of them. — El Millo ( talk) 01:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I think it may be a time to perhaps stick more strictly to the credits, in order not to leave room for ambiguities, such as the case of Armor Wars and Captain America: Civil War, or The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I'm not sure though, because that would mean adding the "Captain America" credit to The Avengers. — El Millo ( talk) 21:09, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
wording? — El Millo ( talk) 00:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Marvel comicinstead of a specific character or title. You'd want to do this for all films? — El Millo ( talk) 03:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
based on Captain Americafor The Avengers. IronManCap ( talk) 17:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
I think what's key is that we agree on not including anything that isn't in the official credits. — El Millo ( talk) 22:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics. — El Millo ( talk) 04:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Another problem, this time with Ant-Man and the Wasp. The credits say Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirby
, but that would only apply to Ant-Man, as the Wasp was created by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and, Ernie Hart, who is not mentioned in the credits. —
El Millo (
talk) 21:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirbythen that is what should be included. Maybe not link to a specific character(s) just write directly what is stated. Otherwise we’re getting into WP:OR territory.— TriiipleThreat ( talk) 22:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on Ant-Man by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirby, while Ant-Man and the Wasp and Quantumania would be
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirby. Is that too tricky? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay. So far, it seems we've agreed not to credit any creator that hasn't been credited, and that we can't include a character whose creators haven't been credited. Except, it seems, if no creditor is credited and it only says Based on the Marvel Comics
. Is it so? —
El Millo (
talk) 19:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comic Bookrather than simply
Based on the Marvel Comics. Crediting a character for the ones that say 'based on the book' would be inconsistent with the credits, such as for Iron Man and Thor, as characters aren't books. IronManCap ( talk) 16:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the book by J.R.R. Tolkien, it doesn't clarify which book, but it's clear that's The Fellowship of the Ring. Take another example, The Perks of Being a Wallflower says
Screenplay by Stephen Chbosky, based on his book, but it's clear it's The Perks of Being a Wallflower. On the opposite end we have something like Blade Runner that doesn't share its title or even part of it with the source material, so the credits say
Based on the novel " Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick", because just saying "the novel" wouldn't be clear enough. — El Millo ( talk) 21:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comicsobviously refers to comics featuring that character if the credited creators are the same. WP:SNOWBALL definitely applies. IronManCap ( talk) 21:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Alternatively, for cases like Captain Marvel where the credits don't specify any creator, would it be appropriate to use a secondary source? For example,
Collider states in
this article that the film is based on the Gene Colan and Roy Thomas comic
. —
El Millo (
talk) 22:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
|Based on=
parameter for those films. But that's an issue for another time. —
El Millo (
talk) 22:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The ones that simply say "Marvel Comics" were the biggest problem and we seemed to have a consensus; they've been updated. The next big one is Ant Man and the Wasp where they only credit the Ant Man creators? Should we change it? (And yeah, I agree, I think "Marvel Comics", "Marvel Comic Book" and "Marvel Comic" all refer to the same thing, just different wording. So, the same rule should apply to all the rest.) — Starforce13 16:24, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Marvel Comics by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirbyinstead of Ant-Man? I'm not sure which one is better. — El Millo ( talk) 01:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
I personally don't agree with these new changes. To link to Marvel Comics is too broad and doesn't make sense in the context of the film credits. Unlike DC which credits the characters themselves, Marvel credits the comic books the characters are originally from (ex. Based on the Comic Book by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, the "comic book" is Amazing Fantasy #15). If there were changes to be made, I propose that solo films will have the character (no italicization) and the credited creators in the infobox, saying "*Character* by *Creator(s)*. Team films where there are credited creators of the group (ex. The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Justice League) should feature only the group and creators linked, saying *Team* by *Creator(s)*. and for films that feature original new groups using previously solo characters (ex. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and The Marvels) should only say "Characters by Marvel Comics/DC/other publisher". If too complicated, just use the latter's idea. Iamnoahflores ( talk) 00:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Characters by Marvel Comicsis basically the same as simply saying
Marvel Comics, it conveys the same amount of information. Apart from that, your approach seems to be basically the same as the current one: having the character and the credited creators for solo films, and the group and credited creators for group films. But what if neither is credited? Deciding what the film is based on when the credits don't credit a character or a creator is WP:OR, as there are many iterations of these characters in the comics and some times it's not obvious which one it is, or whose comic run is it based on. Sometimes (an increasingly more often) there are many protagonists, which, if left to our assessment on what the film is based on, can (and has) resulted in a bloated parameter, with up to three {{ Based on}} entries in a case like The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, where Falcon, Bucky, and Winter Soldier were all included when none of their creators were actually credited, simply based on what we thought was common sense. We were basing the inclusion on the titles of the properties, but then some other edits started to come up, e.g. including the comic Civil War in Captain America: Civil War. Then we suggested only including characters whose names appeared in the titles, so Winter Soldier was added to Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Ultron to Avengers: Age of Ultron, so we said to only include the protagonist whose name was in the title. But then what should we include in the
|Based on=
parameter for
Armor Wars? Because the main character is
War Machine, but he wasn't in the title, while
Armor Wars was, but it wasn't a character's name. But then if we listed Armor Wars there, why wouldn't we include Civil War in Civil War, or even
Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers: Infinity War if someone wanted to stretch it a little bit? I think just basing the content of the parameter simply on what the credits say is the simplest and most honest approach we can have, and the best compromise we could come to. Accepting that assessing it ourselves is too complicated and would lead to both bloated and inaccurate info, and that whatever isn't listed in that parameter could be conveyed with a slightly different wording elsewhere, appropriately addressing the nuances and details of what each property is strictly "based on".Marvel Comicsto
Characters by Marvel Comics, I wouldn't have a problem with it, and I guess most others wouldn't either as it's practically the same and there's no WP:OR required for that. But citing what we think is best when no one is credited seems to have been clearly consensuated against. — El Millo ( talk) 04:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
problem of properties where there are no credited creators of the source material-- Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 15:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I think there's something we forgot to mention. Most of the time, they credit the comic and NOT the character(s) (ex. "Based on the Marvel Comic Book by..."). DC on the other hand credits the characters. I suggest we italicize the source material's name/title in the "based on" for Marvel (MCU and non-MCU) movies, unless the credits are otherwise noted. IAmNMFlores ( talk) 22:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given the expected changes in the cast, the 2025 films Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars are not mentioned in the sequel sections of Avengers or its first three sequels. As found in the User Talk discussion linked above between @ Adamstom.97:, @ Facu-el Millo:, and @ Favre1fan93:, they feel the See Also note pointing to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films is sufficient. @ PDAF14YT, Ironman7777, David1257, and InfiniteNexus: have tried to add the upcoming films but have been reverted.
Should the sequel section mention Avengers 5 and 6? Argento Surfer ( talk) 19:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Sequelsand
Futuresections as much as we can, given that if we keep it loose we'll end up adding every film to every other film article. The idea of these two Avengers films as the culmination of the Multiverse Saga isn't speculation, it's a fact, at least for now, given that Feige said that Avengers films would cap sagas instead of phases from now on and that they're announced to be the last two films of the Multiverse Saga. — El Millo ( talk) 15:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
it could have some of the actors from this filmis irrelevant, since no one has put forth that claim as a reason for inclusion. That has only been discussed in response to !voters saying films 5 and 6 should be excluded because they won't feature actors from this film. Argento Surfer ( talk) 13:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Which is exactly the problem with considering Avengers 4 and 5 as sequels? If they have "Avengers" in the name, are produced by the same company, and are not reboots, then it seems completely natural to consider them as such. Cambalachero ( talk) 17:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
This wasn't officially closed, but I'm seeing no consensus. What now? Argento Surfer ( talk) 14:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
In discussions of proposals to add, modify, or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit. — El Millo ( talk) 21:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Commonly, yes, but I don't think a result of "no consensus" here supports retaining a hidden note saying there is consensus to omit.But you didn't say why that is, and I personally don't see a reason why WP:NOCONSENSUS doesn't/shouldn't apply. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 20:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
The redirect The Avengers (2011 film) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 30 § The Avengers (2011 film) until a consensus is reached. Gonnym ( talk) 12:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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@
Favre1fan93: All of the MCU films are "based on the Marvel comic by [authors]" per the credits, but we've been treating them all as referring to the characters, not specific titles. Plus, the link still directs to
the team and not
the set of comic books, so I think it shouldn't be in italics. In other words, if we italicize Avengers in the |Based on=
, we should apply that same logic and italicize every character listed in the |Based on=
parameter of all the other films, and I don't think that's appropriate. —
El Millo (
talk) 22:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirbyand
"Captain America" created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. — El Millo ( talk) 22:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby(bolding mine), which implies the comic book ( The Avengers (comic book)), not the team, which is how it had been linked. The Cap part is there because the character appears in the film and is similar to the credits DC has to put whenever Superman appears; we can ignore this. @ IronManCap: I'm pretty sure in all the solo franchise credits, the "Based on" text like Facu linked for his is just for the title character. Yes, there are comic storylines that inspire all of these films, but they are usually amalgamations of multiple ones and not direct adaptations. Regarding Armor Wars for the time being, as announced it was said it was more or less an adaption of that storyline, which would include Rhodey (who is not the main part of it in the comics). That's why, for the time being, I don't think putting "Based on War Machine" on that article is appropriate. That very well may change though. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel comic by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, so there's no difference in wording between the credits for Avengers films and the credits for solo films. That's why we can't argue that
the Marvel comicrefers to a comic book instead of a character only in the case of the Avengers films. All refer to a "Marvel comic", which doesn't necessarily mean they mean a specific comic book. If we are going to italicize some of them with that reasoning, we should italicize all of them. — El Millo ( talk) 01:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I think it may be a time to perhaps stick more strictly to the credits, in order not to leave room for ambiguities, such as the case of Armor Wars and Captain America: Civil War, or The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I'm not sure though, because that would mean adding the "Captain America" credit to The Avengers. — El Millo ( talk) 21:09, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
wording? — El Millo ( talk) 00:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Marvel comicinstead of a specific character or title. You'd want to do this for all films? — El Millo ( talk) 03:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
based on Captain Americafor The Avengers. IronManCap ( talk) 17:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
I think what's key is that we agree on not including anything that isn't in the official credits. — El Millo ( talk) 22:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics. — El Millo ( talk) 04:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Another problem, this time with Ant-Man and the Wasp. The credits say Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirby
, but that would only apply to Ant-Man, as the Wasp was created by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and, Ernie Hart, who is not mentioned in the credits. —
El Millo (
talk) 21:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirbythen that is what should be included. Maybe not link to a specific character(s) just write directly what is stated. Otherwise we’re getting into WP:OR territory.— TriiipleThreat ( talk) 22:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on Ant-Man by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirby, while Ant-Man and the Wasp and Quantumania would be
Based on the Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirby. Is that too tricky? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay. So far, it seems we've agreed not to credit any creator that hasn't been credited, and that we can't include a character whose creators haven't been credited. Except, it seems, if no creditor is credited and it only says Based on the Marvel Comics
. Is it so? —
El Millo (
talk) 19:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comic Bookrather than simply
Based on the Marvel Comics. Crediting a character for the ones that say 'based on the book' would be inconsistent with the credits, such as for Iron Man and Thor, as characters aren't books. IronManCap ( talk) 16:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the book by J.R.R. Tolkien, it doesn't clarify which book, but it's clear that's The Fellowship of the Ring. Take another example, The Perks of Being a Wallflower says
Screenplay by Stephen Chbosky, based on his book, but it's clear it's The Perks of Being a Wallflower. On the opposite end we have something like Blade Runner that doesn't share its title or even part of it with the source material, so the credits say
Based on the novel " Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick", because just saying "the novel" wouldn't be clear enough. — El Millo ( talk) 21:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comicsobviously refers to comics featuring that character if the credited creators are the same. WP:SNOWBALL definitely applies. IronManCap ( talk) 21:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Alternatively, for cases like Captain Marvel where the credits don't specify any creator, would it be appropriate to use a secondary source? For example,
Collider states in
this article that the film is based on the Gene Colan and Roy Thomas comic
. —
El Millo (
talk) 22:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
|Based on=
parameter for those films. But that's an issue for another time. —
El Millo (
talk) 22:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The ones that simply say "Marvel Comics" were the biggest problem and we seemed to have a consensus; they've been updated. The next big one is Ant Man and the Wasp where they only credit the Ant Man creators? Should we change it? (And yeah, I agree, I think "Marvel Comics", "Marvel Comic Book" and "Marvel Comic" all refer to the same thing, just different wording. So, the same rule should apply to all the rest.) — Starforce13 16:24, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Marvel Comics by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber, and Jack Kirbyinstead of Ant-Man? I'm not sure which one is better. — El Millo ( talk) 01:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
I personally don't agree with these new changes. To link to Marvel Comics is too broad and doesn't make sense in the context of the film credits. Unlike DC which credits the characters themselves, Marvel credits the comic books the characters are originally from (ex. Based on the Comic Book by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, the "comic book" is Amazing Fantasy #15). If there were changes to be made, I propose that solo films will have the character (no italicization) and the credited creators in the infobox, saying "*Character* by *Creator(s)*. Team films where there are credited creators of the group (ex. The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Justice League) should feature only the group and creators linked, saying *Team* by *Creator(s)*. and for films that feature original new groups using previously solo characters (ex. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and The Marvels) should only say "Characters by Marvel Comics/DC/other publisher". If too complicated, just use the latter's idea. Iamnoahflores ( talk) 00:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Characters by Marvel Comicsis basically the same as simply saying
Marvel Comics, it conveys the same amount of information. Apart from that, your approach seems to be basically the same as the current one: having the character and the credited creators for solo films, and the group and credited creators for group films. But what if neither is credited? Deciding what the film is based on when the credits don't credit a character or a creator is WP:OR, as there are many iterations of these characters in the comics and some times it's not obvious which one it is, or whose comic run is it based on. Sometimes (an increasingly more often) there are many protagonists, which, if left to our assessment on what the film is based on, can (and has) resulted in a bloated parameter, with up to three {{ Based on}} entries in a case like The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, where Falcon, Bucky, and Winter Soldier were all included when none of their creators were actually credited, simply based on what we thought was common sense. We were basing the inclusion on the titles of the properties, but then some other edits started to come up, e.g. including the comic Civil War in Captain America: Civil War. Then we suggested only including characters whose names appeared in the titles, so Winter Soldier was added to Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Ultron to Avengers: Age of Ultron, so we said to only include the protagonist whose name was in the title. But then what should we include in the
|Based on=
parameter for
Armor Wars? Because the main character is
War Machine, but he wasn't in the title, while
Armor Wars was, but it wasn't a character's name. But then if we listed Armor Wars there, why wouldn't we include Civil War in Civil War, or even
Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers: Infinity War if someone wanted to stretch it a little bit? I think just basing the content of the parameter simply on what the credits say is the simplest and most honest approach we can have, and the best compromise we could come to. Accepting that assessing it ourselves is too complicated and would lead to both bloated and inaccurate info, and that whatever isn't listed in that parameter could be conveyed with a slightly different wording elsewhere, appropriately addressing the nuances and details of what each property is strictly "based on".Marvel Comicsto
Characters by Marvel Comics, I wouldn't have a problem with it, and I guess most others wouldn't either as it's practically the same and there's no WP:OR required for that. But citing what we think is best when no one is credited seems to have been clearly consensuated against. — El Millo ( talk) 04:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
problem of properties where there are no credited creators of the source material-- Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 15:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I think there's something we forgot to mention. Most of the time, they credit the comic and NOT the character(s) (ex. "Based on the Marvel Comic Book by..."). DC on the other hand credits the characters. I suggest we italicize the source material's name/title in the "based on" for Marvel (MCU and non-MCU) movies, unless the credits are otherwise noted. IAmNMFlores ( talk) 22:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given the expected changes in the cast, the 2025 films Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars are not mentioned in the sequel sections of Avengers or its first three sequels. As found in the User Talk discussion linked above between @ Adamstom.97:, @ Facu-el Millo:, and @ Favre1fan93:, they feel the See Also note pointing to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films is sufficient. @ PDAF14YT, Ironman7777, David1257, and InfiniteNexus: have tried to add the upcoming films but have been reverted.
Should the sequel section mention Avengers 5 and 6? Argento Surfer ( talk) 19:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Sequelsand
Futuresections as much as we can, given that if we keep it loose we'll end up adding every film to every other film article. The idea of these two Avengers films as the culmination of the Multiverse Saga isn't speculation, it's a fact, at least for now, given that Feige said that Avengers films would cap sagas instead of phases from now on and that they're announced to be the last two films of the Multiverse Saga. — El Millo ( talk) 15:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
it could have some of the actors from this filmis irrelevant, since no one has put forth that claim as a reason for inclusion. That has only been discussed in response to !voters saying films 5 and 6 should be excluded because they won't feature actors from this film. Argento Surfer ( talk) 13:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Which is exactly the problem with considering Avengers 4 and 5 as sequels? If they have "Avengers" in the name, are produced by the same company, and are not reboots, then it seems completely natural to consider them as such. Cambalachero ( talk) 17:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
This wasn't officially closed, but I'm seeing no consensus. What now? Argento Surfer ( talk) 14:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
In discussions of proposals to add, modify, or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit. — El Millo ( talk) 21:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Commonly, yes, but I don't think a result of "no consensus" here supports retaining a hidden note saying there is consensus to omit.But you didn't say why that is, and I personally don't see a reason why WP:NOCONSENSUS doesn't/shouldn't apply. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 20:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
The redirect The Avengers (2011 film) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 30 § The Avengers (2011 film) until a consensus is reached. Gonnym ( talk) 12:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
The redirect The Avengers (2011) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 30 § The Avengers (2011) until a consensus is reached. Gonnym ( talk) 12:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)