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I have to bring this up. Currently, we have the races' itinerearies set up so that we list each location where teams find a clue (IE, clue box), with Detour and Roadblock icons listed next to where teams received these clues. But I believe that this really skews the appearance of these tables and makes them misleading.
Let's take a look at Leg 6 of the Vietnamese race as an example. First, you see this:
Imagine you're a person who's never seen this race, or worse, has never seen The Amazing Race. It appears that the Roadblock takes place at the Heritage Centre. But it doesn't, it takes place at a sweing factory. But then, you see this:
Now it looks like the Detour takes place in the sewing factory! But it doesn't, it takes place out on the Hoi An streets. It's inconsequential where teams received the Roadblock/Detour clues, the symbols should be listed next to the location they take place in.
Here's another example, from The Amazing Race Norge. On the ninth leg, you see this:
At a glance, it appears the teams went to the resevoir, performed a task there, and then went to the winery. No, this isn't true. Between these two locations, they went to the Lilydale Airport. It should be listed here. Or how about Leg 10:
On this list of locations, Hong Kong Park is completely absent, despite the Detour and, technically, the Handicap taking place there. It gives a skewed and incorrect view of the leg's itinerary.
Now I know that sometimes this won't entirely work if we don't know where the Roadblocks or Detours take place, but that's fairly uncommon. If we know where they went, it should be listed, and not mentioned after the fact in the task description below. I know I only mentioned foreign editions here, but this applies to all of the pages, including the American ones. Shadow2 ( talk) 02:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Well where was the clue for the Detour picked up? If it was not at the park then it should not be listed there. It seems that Hong Kong Park is mentioned in the prose as the location the Detour takes place, and not as where the clue for said Detour was picked up and that's fine for me.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 07:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Jedzz, Shadow2 is suggesting that locations that are visited, but not part of the procession of clue gathering, should be included in the bulleted list in a format that does not match the rest of the list to begin with. I do not think this will work, but I would rather see work spent on eliminating the lists, {{ TAR clue}}, {{ TAR travel}}, and {{ TAR Captionbox}}, and instead providing a written summary of the itinerary of the episode. I will give what I envision as an example of what I would suggest be done with TAR18#Leg 6 (China → India) as the example.
At the Pit Start, teams were directed to find the Jin Fu Yi Zhan Tea Shop (金福驿站 Jīn Fú Yì Zhàn, Jin-fu Inn) where they participated in a traditional Chinese tea tasting ceremony. They drank a papaya-and-mango-infused tea that, unbeknownst to them, would be featured in their next task. After the ceremony, teams were given a brick of tea and their next clue which directed them to travel to Kolkata, India , and once there head to Kolkata Town Hall for their next clue. Upon arriving at Kolkata Town Hall, teams were met with a Roadblock asking them "Who's ready to drink in the scenery?". One team member had to give the brick of tea, a papaya, and a mango to a tea auctioneer, and then search among several hundred tea cups for the tea they had tasted earlier in Kunming. Once they found the correct tea, the auctioneer would give them their next clue: a bottle of Snapple brand iced tea. Unknown to them, their next clue was printed under the cap, directing them to Thakur Bari in Jorasanko, and then to the Tiwari Tea Stall. At the tea stall, teams traded the Snapple bottle for their next clue: the Detour, with choices between Hindu Art and Bengali Literature. In Hindu Art, teams traveled to the Rakhal Paul and Sons statue shop where they had to paint and then dress a statue of the Hindu god Ganesha. Once it was complete, they would receive their next clue. In Bengali Literature, teams traveled to the Dey's Publishing house and picked up eight bundles of the children's book Introduction to the Bengali Alphabet. They then got into a rickshaw school bus and traveled across town to the Victoria Institution High School and College and searched the grounds for the offices of the headmistress of the primary school where they would deliver the books and receive their next clue. The Detour clues told teams to then go the Pit Stop located at the Fountain of Joy in front of the Victoria Memorial in Kolkata's Maidan.
This, I believe, makes things clearer, and eliminates the need for the bulleted list, the various specialized templates, and having to battle over which airport they travel to, which was a problem I encountered with an editor during the broadcast of U.S. season 20. Now, I understand this raises problems when teams are just told to go somewhere, pick up a clue, and they don't have to do anything there, but honestly there's no way to avoid that because in the current format it appears we may be missing information on those stops.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 20:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
In the Fast Forward, which Shadow2 completely made up, teams would have to go do something.
In this Leg's Roadblock (Who is your driving force?), one team had member to rig a
container truck, drive it through an obstacle course and back up to its final loading space to get their next clue.
At the Hasimta Theatre, each team member had to separately answer five questions. If the other team member's answers matched, they would receive their next clue
In this Leg's Detour, teams chose between Find Unseen and Make 13. In Find Unseen, teams used a metal detector to a search marked area for a key that would unlock a chest containing the next clue. In Make 13, teams had to play
matkot, a traditional Israeli bat and ball game similar to
racquet. They had to hit the ball back and forth 13 times without letting it hit the ground before they would receive their next clue.
MOS:BOLD says we shouldn't be bolding items like the task names. It should be blatantly clear enough from reading it. And using <br> line breaks is really deprecated. This is where an actual paragraph would suffice, instead of treating it as a list of items, again.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 05:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
To clear up, I meant: (No bold whatsoever)
It's getting really confusing. Kartoffel 07 13:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
The article lists the prize money for the upcoming season that premieres Sunday as two million dollars, but from what I've been able to glean, this apparently is only awarded if a very specific criterion is met, otherwise it's still one million. Anyone know the details on this? ProfessorTofty ( talk) 01:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to make a point of order about unaired Roadblocks and the Roadblock tally. I believe that there is no reason we should not include unaired Roadblocks in the tally if we know a certain contestant performed them.
For example, we do not include the First Roadblock of the first season because we have footage of some teams completing it, but not all of them (We don't see Pat & Brenda or Matt & Ana completing it). However, it is my belief that, of the teams we do know, we should still include them in the tally. It's information we have, and it's information we should be communicating to the reader.
Now some of you may want to respond, "but we shouldn't do that because we want consistency. We want to keep everything balanced." or something like that. However, I would like to direct your attention to The Amazing Race en Discovery Channel 2. In this season, many teams were not shown completing the Roadblock on leg 1, and one team was not shown completing it on leg 3. And yet, we still include these Roadblocks in the tally.
So why the inconsistency? If a team is not shown completing the Roadblock, I completely understand not including them. We can't just guess. But if we do know who completed it, we should include it. It should be our mission to relay as much information as possible. If a season has unaired Roadblocks, we can still include a footnote at the top of the Roadblock tally table, saying something like "This tally may be incomplete due to an unaired Roadblock" or something similar. Or perhaps we could have some sort of superscript symbol (like *) next to any team that has an unknown.
(By the way, I'm completely obsessed with TAR and have collected a lot of data about the show, so if we decide to do this, I'll gladly be the one to update all the tables)
Shadow2 ( talk) 23:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Before:
After:
During the previous proposal to change how Detours are reflected in the itinerary, a comment was brought up regarding redundancy. I believe this new method will eliminate this, as we will no longer need to specify which destination each Detour takes place at in the prose. Thoughts?
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Ryulong, I don't understand why you are insisting on adding the bolded phrase to the "Stripped of money and belongings" section:
I've been undoing it because it would not make much sense to someone who doesn't know much about the show (What kind of ridiculous outfits? How would wearing these outfits allow them to remain in the game?). But more importantly, I'm undoing it because the addition is completely wrong. Only one team (the sentence as constructed claims "many teams") ever attempted anything like this; in that case, not only were Brian & Greg not likely doing it as a legitimate race strategy (as I pointed out in the revert, they were more likely doing it to be weird, humorous, and memorable), it didn't keep them from getting eliminated.
When you twice put the phrase back into the paragraph, you "recalled" the Paolo family in Family Edition as a team that did this. You're wrong. Thinking they were in last place, the Paolos (and the Bransens, who actually were in last place) put on as much of their own clothing as they could before checking in, so that it would all be "on their back" and not taken away if the leg was non-elimination. They looked ridiculous, yes, but that's not the same as "wearing ridiculous clothing" (they were wearing normal clothing in a ridiculous fashion) and they weren't doing it "to stay in the game", they were trying to exploit a loophole about what they could keep if they weren't eliminated. This strategy ("this last penalty caused many teams, thinking themselves to be in last place, to wear as much clothing as possible before checking in") is already covered in the section. The phrase you want to add implies something completely different. Jedzz ( talk) 15:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
In every purpose on using the game of Yield and U-Turn in the entire franchise (this format is used on HaMerotz LaMillion (2, 3); The Amazing Race Australia (2) and The Amazing Race Philippines (1)), can anyone create the vote tag?
{{TAR clue|Yield|Team 1|Team 2|vote=yes}}
It will show (N teams voted for Yield team Y)
{{TAR clue|U-Turn|Team 1|Team 2|vote=yes}}
And as for the U-Turn, it will also show (N teams voted for U-Turn team Y)
See, the format will be used to stop distinguished with the regular clue tags. ApprenticeFan work 07:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Leg #: | 4 |
---|---|
U-Turned: | Paul & Steve (6/9 votes) |
Voter | Team's Vote |
Shane & Andrew | Paul & Steve |
Paul & Steve | Sticky & Sam |
Michelle & Jo | Paul & Steve |
Joseph & Grace | Paul & Steve |
Lucy & Emilia | Shane & Andrew |
James & Sarah | Lucy & Emilia |
Sticky & Sam | Paul & Steve |
Ross & Tarryn | Paul & Steve |
Kym & Donna | Paul & Steve |
Since Ryulong working on the new race summary section format started from The Amazing Race 25 and even thinks that both Detour, Roadblock, Additional tasks, Special tasks (Fast Forward, Intersection, Speed Bump) were merged to a bigger sentence and has more intensively on his work. When my talk page was notified about Amazing Race summaries section, here's the example from the second leg of TAR1 (without photos):
In this leg's Fast Forward, a team had to whitewater raft along the treacherous rapids of the Zambezi River with Bundu Adventures. They then had to locate the Fast Forward clue. In this leg's Detour, teams chose between Near and Far. In Near, teams went to Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park to photograph three hard to find animals from a list. In Far, teams had to go to Chobe National Park to photograph a single elephant. In the first aired Roadblock of the series, one team member had to take the stairway up to the second level of the Eiffel Tower and use a ₣10 coin to operate a telescope. The teammate had to search the Parisian skyline using the telescope to spot the team's next destination, marked with a Race flag.
At the Pit Start, teams were informed to travel to Songwe Museum with 100 yards from the check point and were instructed about a clue to Bundu Adventures in Zambezi River. Upon arriving in Bundu Adventures, teams had to whitewater raft down to a treacherous rapids down to the Zambezi River to locate the Fast Forward clue or find the regular route info clue, which is a Detour, allowing them to choose between Near and Far. In Near, teams had to go to Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park 20 kilometres (12 mi) away and had to photograph three hard to find animals from a list. In Far, teams had to go to Chobe National Park in nearby Botswana, which was 90 kilometres (56 mi) farther and photograph a single elephant. After the Detour, teams had to send these photographs to Mukuni Village. Once there, teams had to take part in a traditional welcome ceremony for honored guests. The ceremony involved meeting the village chief (who would spit on them) as well as viewing and participating a tribal dance. Teams then gave the village chief the photographs, and they also gave a miniature model of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, their next destination, where they told to instruct for the series' first aired Roadblock, on which one team member had to take the stairway up to the second level of the Eiffel Tower and use a ₣10 coin to operate a telescope while the other team member had to search the skyline using the telescope to spot for the leg's Pit Stop, Arc de Triomphe, with a marked Race flag.
Again, here's an another example from leg 9 of TAR16 where it includes the U-Turn (it was being introduced in TAR12):
In the only Fast Forward of the race, one team made their way to the Singapore Flyer where they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the 541-foot (165 m) Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. For this Leg's Detour, teams chose between Pounding The Drums and Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. In this leg's Roadblock, one team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue.
At the start of the leg, teams were told to travel to Kuala Lumpur by bus, and then they headed by train to Singapore. Upon arrival, teams had to head to Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall and find Allan Wu, host of The Amazing Race Asia, who would give them their next clue: a Fast Forward and the Detour. The Fast Forward required teams to head to Singapore Flyer, they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the 541-foot (165 m) Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. The Detour was a choice between Pounding The Drums or Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. The clues sent teams to Istana Park to find the U-Turn at the intersection of the "last pit stop city" between Orchard Road and Penang Road where their next clue, sending them to ASL Marine Shipyard for the Roadblock. One team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue. The clue directed the teams to Sentosa and they rode the MegaZip, a 1,476-foot (450 m) long zip-line. After unharnessing from the MegaZip, teams received their next clue, sending them to Marina Barrage for the Pit Stop.
With the redundancy of recent changes of rewriting the whole summaries, and here is again from the 10th leg of TAR20:
For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. For the Fast Forward, teams had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. In this Leg's Roadblock, one team member had to spin 40 feet (12 m) of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue. This Leg's Detour was a choice between Pachyderm and Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue.
At the start of the leg, teams were headed to Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, where they encountered the head priest would bless the teams before giving the next clue: the Speed Bump, the Fast Forward and a route info clue. For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. The Fast Forward required teams headed to Mutharamman Devasthanam Hindu temple and they had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. The route info clue where teams directed them to Pattanacaud Coir Mats and Matting for the Roadblock. One team member had to spin 40 feet (12 m) of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue, sending them to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue: the Detour, choosing between Pachyderm or Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue. Both clues directed teams to Vypin on a Cheena vala fishing nets for the Pit Stop.
Noted that there are information on how the leg started, travel to a destined location and the Pit Stop of the Race, with the new Race tradition to use in Wikipedia, it may be good for English readers. ApprenticeFan work 09:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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I propose we go with a more consistent naming of articles that can be utilized for all the international versions. Plus, it would fit with all the other television series articles on Wikipedia.
The simple format is: Show Name (season x)
This helps clean up the problematic and inconsistent article titles for the foreign adaptions:
Main Page: The Amazing Race (Latin America)
and so on..
Main Page: The Amazing Race Vietnam
My main concern is that the number implies that, for example, "The Amazing Race 1" is the name of the show. The number could mean just about anything. This proposal seems a lot more clearer to understand and can be applied to all the international versions. Furthermore, if you looked at how the Latin American seasons are titled, you'd think they were two completely different television shows. Regards. -- Kartoffel 07 16:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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At some point, someone decided that for No-Rest Legs (Ie, ones where the Leg number is underlined, Season 29 Leg 5, where teams don't get a rest period at the Pit Stop), we would start Underlining the team that came in last place. Why is this necessary? There is absolutely no penalty or change associated with this team, unlike being Eliminated or being Saved on a Non-Elimination leg with a penalty. Anyone with the most basic sense of math is able to see that 7th is the lowest number for seven teams, so obviously they came in last place. As it stands now, this just adds unnecessary scribbles to the results table. 96.48.238.205 ( talk) 00:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
It was decided by certain editors that if a Roadblock/Detour clue was picked up at a prior location to where the task takes place, then the icon would be placed behind the location name instead of in front of it. Why is this necessary information? The icon should be used to indicate where the task took place. It doesn't matter where the clue was picked up. That's information that can be obtained from the prose below. Furthermore, nothing on the pages currently explains to readers what the difference is. The only reason I know this is because of reading talk pages. It looks very inconsistent, messy and somewhat unprofessional. 96.48.238.205 ( talk) 00:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, I thought I'd post here rather than on an individual articles, but I'd like to do some work on the season articles for TAR and potentially send them to GAN. I think they all need an awful lot of work, specifically the amount of CRUFT in the articles, such as the episode titles lists and the in-depth episode coverage, which could be summarised a lot. Does anyone mind me picking a season and working my way through to improve it to a point it is worth nominating?
I know there is a lot of articles such as these, so I wanted to let my intentions be known before making the changes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The list of various international seasons bothers me, because it ignores basic numerical order. For example, TAR Australia is listed as "1, 2, 4, 5 [...] 3". I know this is because some versions are different, more special versions of the show, but it really makes things so awkward when the numbers are listed out of order like this. Isn't there a better way of doing this?
And also, I disagree with the 4th season of TAR Latin America being migrated over to the "Brazil" section. Now there's a random 4th season floating next to Brazil, and the actual Latin America section is just inexplicably missing the number 4. Shadow2 ( talk) 00:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
I've made four requests now to talk about this on a talk page, but they've all been ignored completely, so I guess I'll try again. WHY do we have to awkwardly shuffle the icons such as Detour and Roadblock to either before or after the task locations? It looks really awkward, unprofessional and unappealing to look at. Coverage is important, but does it really fall within the scope of things here to determine whether the Roadblock clue was picked up here or there? Either way, the team has to travel to the task site, it makes no difference if they got the clue there or beforehand. I would really like it if we could just simply use the icons to dictate what task took place where. Shadow2 ( talk) 00:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Are screenshots of specific scenes/tasks still necessary? I can see screenshots of rivals competing each other in either a Road Block or a Fast Forward. But I can already understand the rules even without screenshots. I am not confident that they comply with WP:NFCC#8. But I can stand corrected. George Ho ( talk) 18:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
And all the flags are gone. In this section, find a way to bring them back. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:400A:A610:D0C0:B3D7 ( talk) 03:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned above, we've added underlines to teams who arrive in last place on No-Rest ("Keep on Racing") legs, for example writing 11th for Jet & Cord on the first leg of Season 18. This is completely unnecessary and tells the reader nothing except that they arrived in last place...which is already accomplished by the fact that it says "11th". The note at the bottom of the table about "Underlined leg numbers" can still retain the information about not needing a Speed Bump, but there shouldn't be an indicator on the table that doesn't accomplish anything extra. @ User:Xoruz @ user:ApprenticeFan 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E ( talk) 03:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
It's awful. I love how singular users like @ Bgsu98 can just come in and change years of hard work at the drop of a hat because they think they know better. Why are the tables thick and bloated now? Why are "notations that did not affect placement" removed when they still had an impact on the game, and who are you to decide that? Why are the results tables SORTABLE now, when there's no reason they need to be? Why is the information about what stuff means in the table now in a long, messy paragraph instead of the nice bulleted list as before? Why are you quoting WP:COLOR and then specifically ignoring it by placing a bunch of coloured text in the paragraph above the table that says "team on the receiving end of the U-Turn"? I remember the good old days where when someone decided there were BIG SWEEPING CHANGES that needed to be made to a page, there was a discussion about it first. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:151E:E3DB:EBEC:6B23 ( talk) 20:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
WOW. Here we go. I've found it. I knew this would be the case. So YOU @ Bgsu98 have just come in here after almost two decades - yes 20 years - of Wikipedia readers recognising the format and it being completely readable. And you've just come in here and totally changed it to suit you. And it appears from all the disgruntled comments from other users/readers, only you. Stop NOW. This is unacceptable. I will report you for unreasonable behaviour, not me. People have expressed across all Amazing Race online communities that these Wikichanges are not good. Do not help readability. And here you are leaving notes saying 'oh I'm just trying a new thing, I'm going to pop a dagger in as well as red for elimination, just for fun'. That is UNACCEPTABLE. And the change from blue to purple? What consultation was had there? Alert me immediately to which other editors have agreed with this change. You've done this across Amazing Race, Survivor, and many other Reality wiki pages. It's maddening. I know the rules, and I know you're breaking them. This thread shows you have no support, and I want you to show me other editors who are supporting the changes you are making. Immediately. Or I will report you. Kiwi Jaden.
If you guys are so obsessed with making everything "accessible", can someone maybe finally address this issue that I brought up years ago? None of the parameters on Template:TAR Clue actually do anything...It just shows a preview for the general TAR page. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:71E5:60C1:9A9F:520D ( talk) 05:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
The Express Pass are still to be kept with a color orange and the symbol ɛ in all seasons. ApprenticeWiki contribs 03:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
I think about replacing double nbsp
with single numsp
(for
figure space). I also thought about adding nbsp
between an icon and a legend describing the icon. But I wonder how the changes would affect readability, especially on mobile.
Also, as I figured, the template is getting long, so I thought about putting parameters into its own subpage... unless it's not necessary. George Ho ( talk) 17:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Since the flavour of the day is removing "Fancruft" from the Amazing Race pages, can we maybe once again consider getting rid of the one piece of "Fancruft" that I adamantly think does not belong on these pages, the one I've been trying to talk about for years but nobody even wants to engage in conversation about.
Why do we need to put the Detour/Roadblock icon in a different spot on the destination list just because they picked up the Roadblock clue here or they picked it up there. Literally who cares? It makes the destination list look clunky and awkward to read, when really all we need is an icon that says "A Roadblock took place here.
In this example (of how we currently do things), the teams would have received the Detour clue immediately after performing the Roadblock, thus would have picked up the yellow Detour clue while at the opera house, not at the bridge. That's such a small, minute detail that we really don't need to pay so much close attention to. What major impact on the game does it have if they got the Detour clue at the opera house, or if they got it at the bridge? Almost nothing about the racecourse itself would change. It's not important. We can just list the icons to the right of all destinations on the list to make it consistent and readable. (Would also probably help avoid confusing people using screen-readers, otherwise they'll be hearing the Detour information before even hearing the location)
Please answer. I'm tired of people blowing this off by just saying "It's important" and saying nothing else. 96.48.233.241 ( talk) 12:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
The insertion of logos as icons into articles is strongly discouragedunder MOS:LOGO. The way we have things set out at the moment is very much against MOS. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
All right, I'm done. Lee, you don't seem to want to directly address any points I've brought up and now you're suggesting that we remove even more information from these pages than we already have. It's pointless to talk about this because nobody will listen. Accusing me of "Just because you like the icons" even though I've explained previously and repeatedly why they are useful to readers is just insulting. "Only some readers will understand" you say, even though we have a legend at the top of the page WITH LINKS that explain what a Detour, Roadblock, etc is. Suggesting we remove the itinerary of locations from a TRAVEL show? It's clear you're not even reading what I say and just want to keep hammering the point until you get your way. I'm so tired of fighting this and I don't know why I still try to keep these pages from becoming just a mess. Do whatever you want. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1DA:7F8F:87E8:FD6C ( talk) 23:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Should the icons (such as those for planes, detour and route marker) be used in race series articles such as at The Amazing Race 1? Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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Question - Why did we put so much effort into arranging the task descriptions so they're in chronological order while, at the exact same time, rearranging all the results table footnotes so they're no longer in chronological order? 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:8C05:9D7:508A:A360 ( talk) 11:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
This is honestly kind of hilarious at this point. The pages for The Amazing Race pretty much act like a microcosm of all the bigger problems on Wikipedia. They are pretty much all showcased on this talk page.
Big important users coming in and making big sweeping changes without any discussion on the relevant Talk pages or with any of the relevant editors... @ Bgsu98 @ Binksternet
Even though we are told to resolve disputes on the talk pages and generally use the talk pages for questions or concerns, those legit concerns are just flat out ignored... @ Binksternet just refusing to answer a lingering question directed at him, @ Lee Vilenski abjectly ignoring points brought up in an argument and choosing to answer only the points that make him right.
A lot of bullies run these pages now, and it's not appreciated. It's no wonder people quit working on Wikipedia so much these days. Maybe you should all try being nice and actually treating each other like human beings and not assuming every IP editor is a troll. Smarten up. 2605:8D80:445:E018:3A46:655C:B954:F315 ( talk) 22:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Started around June 14 or 15, given the sightj Ings in Bangkok. Hopefully more than just reddit posts to confirm once that page goes live. Masem ( t) 14:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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I have to bring this up. Currently, we have the races' itinerearies set up so that we list each location where teams find a clue (IE, clue box), with Detour and Roadblock icons listed next to where teams received these clues. But I believe that this really skews the appearance of these tables and makes them misleading.
Let's take a look at Leg 6 of the Vietnamese race as an example. First, you see this:
Imagine you're a person who's never seen this race, or worse, has never seen The Amazing Race. It appears that the Roadblock takes place at the Heritage Centre. But it doesn't, it takes place at a sweing factory. But then, you see this:
Now it looks like the Detour takes place in the sewing factory! But it doesn't, it takes place out on the Hoi An streets. It's inconsequential where teams received the Roadblock/Detour clues, the symbols should be listed next to the location they take place in.
Here's another example, from The Amazing Race Norge. On the ninth leg, you see this:
At a glance, it appears the teams went to the resevoir, performed a task there, and then went to the winery. No, this isn't true. Between these two locations, they went to the Lilydale Airport. It should be listed here. Or how about Leg 10:
On this list of locations, Hong Kong Park is completely absent, despite the Detour and, technically, the Handicap taking place there. It gives a skewed and incorrect view of the leg's itinerary.
Now I know that sometimes this won't entirely work if we don't know where the Roadblocks or Detours take place, but that's fairly uncommon. If we know where they went, it should be listed, and not mentioned after the fact in the task description below. I know I only mentioned foreign editions here, but this applies to all of the pages, including the American ones. Shadow2 ( talk) 02:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Well where was the clue for the Detour picked up? If it was not at the park then it should not be listed there. It seems that Hong Kong Park is mentioned in the prose as the location the Detour takes place, and not as where the clue for said Detour was picked up and that's fine for me.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 07:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Jedzz, Shadow2 is suggesting that locations that are visited, but not part of the procession of clue gathering, should be included in the bulleted list in a format that does not match the rest of the list to begin with. I do not think this will work, but I would rather see work spent on eliminating the lists, {{ TAR clue}}, {{ TAR travel}}, and {{ TAR Captionbox}}, and instead providing a written summary of the itinerary of the episode. I will give what I envision as an example of what I would suggest be done with TAR18#Leg 6 (China → India) as the example.
At the Pit Start, teams were directed to find the Jin Fu Yi Zhan Tea Shop (金福驿站 Jīn Fú Yì Zhàn, Jin-fu Inn) where they participated in a traditional Chinese tea tasting ceremony. They drank a papaya-and-mango-infused tea that, unbeknownst to them, would be featured in their next task. After the ceremony, teams were given a brick of tea and their next clue which directed them to travel to Kolkata, India , and once there head to Kolkata Town Hall for their next clue. Upon arriving at Kolkata Town Hall, teams were met with a Roadblock asking them "Who's ready to drink in the scenery?". One team member had to give the brick of tea, a papaya, and a mango to a tea auctioneer, and then search among several hundred tea cups for the tea they had tasted earlier in Kunming. Once they found the correct tea, the auctioneer would give them their next clue: a bottle of Snapple brand iced tea. Unknown to them, their next clue was printed under the cap, directing them to Thakur Bari in Jorasanko, and then to the Tiwari Tea Stall. At the tea stall, teams traded the Snapple bottle for their next clue: the Detour, with choices between Hindu Art and Bengali Literature. In Hindu Art, teams traveled to the Rakhal Paul and Sons statue shop where they had to paint and then dress a statue of the Hindu god Ganesha. Once it was complete, they would receive their next clue. In Bengali Literature, teams traveled to the Dey's Publishing house and picked up eight bundles of the children's book Introduction to the Bengali Alphabet. They then got into a rickshaw school bus and traveled across town to the Victoria Institution High School and College and searched the grounds for the offices of the headmistress of the primary school where they would deliver the books and receive their next clue. The Detour clues told teams to then go the Pit Stop located at the Fountain of Joy in front of the Victoria Memorial in Kolkata's Maidan.
This, I believe, makes things clearer, and eliminates the need for the bulleted list, the various specialized templates, and having to battle over which airport they travel to, which was a problem I encountered with an editor during the broadcast of U.S. season 20. Now, I understand this raises problems when teams are just told to go somewhere, pick up a clue, and they don't have to do anything there, but honestly there's no way to avoid that because in the current format it appears we may be missing information on those stops.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 20:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
In the Fast Forward, which Shadow2 completely made up, teams would have to go do something.
In this Leg's Roadblock (Who is your driving force?), one team had member to rig a
container truck, drive it through an obstacle course and back up to its final loading space to get their next clue.
At the Hasimta Theatre, each team member had to separately answer five questions. If the other team member's answers matched, they would receive their next clue
In this Leg's Detour, teams chose between Find Unseen and Make 13. In Find Unseen, teams used a metal detector to a search marked area for a key that would unlock a chest containing the next clue. In Make 13, teams had to play
matkot, a traditional Israeli bat and ball game similar to
racquet. They had to hit the ball back and forth 13 times without letting it hit the ground before they would receive their next clue.
MOS:BOLD says we shouldn't be bolding items like the task names. It should be blatantly clear enough from reading it. And using <br> line breaks is really deprecated. This is where an actual paragraph would suffice, instead of treating it as a list of items, again.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 05:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
To clear up, I meant: (No bold whatsoever)
It's getting really confusing. Kartoffel 07 13:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
The article lists the prize money for the upcoming season that premieres Sunday as two million dollars, but from what I've been able to glean, this apparently is only awarded if a very specific criterion is met, otherwise it's still one million. Anyone know the details on this? ProfessorTofty ( talk) 01:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to make a point of order about unaired Roadblocks and the Roadblock tally. I believe that there is no reason we should not include unaired Roadblocks in the tally if we know a certain contestant performed them.
For example, we do not include the First Roadblock of the first season because we have footage of some teams completing it, but not all of them (We don't see Pat & Brenda or Matt & Ana completing it). However, it is my belief that, of the teams we do know, we should still include them in the tally. It's information we have, and it's information we should be communicating to the reader.
Now some of you may want to respond, "but we shouldn't do that because we want consistency. We want to keep everything balanced." or something like that. However, I would like to direct your attention to The Amazing Race en Discovery Channel 2. In this season, many teams were not shown completing the Roadblock on leg 1, and one team was not shown completing it on leg 3. And yet, we still include these Roadblocks in the tally.
So why the inconsistency? If a team is not shown completing the Roadblock, I completely understand not including them. We can't just guess. But if we do know who completed it, we should include it. It should be our mission to relay as much information as possible. If a season has unaired Roadblocks, we can still include a footnote at the top of the Roadblock tally table, saying something like "This tally may be incomplete due to an unaired Roadblock" or something similar. Or perhaps we could have some sort of superscript symbol (like *) next to any team that has an unknown.
(By the way, I'm completely obsessed with TAR and have collected a lot of data about the show, so if we decide to do this, I'll gladly be the one to update all the tables)
Shadow2 ( talk) 23:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Before:
After:
During the previous proposal to change how Detours are reflected in the itinerary, a comment was brought up regarding redundancy. I believe this new method will eliminate this, as we will no longer need to specify which destination each Detour takes place at in the prose. Thoughts?
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talk)
18:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Ryulong, I don't understand why you are insisting on adding the bolded phrase to the "Stripped of money and belongings" section:
I've been undoing it because it would not make much sense to someone who doesn't know much about the show (What kind of ridiculous outfits? How would wearing these outfits allow them to remain in the game?). But more importantly, I'm undoing it because the addition is completely wrong. Only one team (the sentence as constructed claims "many teams") ever attempted anything like this; in that case, not only were Brian & Greg not likely doing it as a legitimate race strategy (as I pointed out in the revert, they were more likely doing it to be weird, humorous, and memorable), it didn't keep them from getting eliminated.
When you twice put the phrase back into the paragraph, you "recalled" the Paolo family in Family Edition as a team that did this. You're wrong. Thinking they were in last place, the Paolos (and the Bransens, who actually were in last place) put on as much of their own clothing as they could before checking in, so that it would all be "on their back" and not taken away if the leg was non-elimination. They looked ridiculous, yes, but that's not the same as "wearing ridiculous clothing" (they were wearing normal clothing in a ridiculous fashion) and they weren't doing it "to stay in the game", they were trying to exploit a loophole about what they could keep if they weren't eliminated. This strategy ("this last penalty caused many teams, thinking themselves to be in last place, to wear as much clothing as possible before checking in") is already covered in the section. The phrase you want to add implies something completely different. Jedzz ( talk) 15:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
In every purpose on using the game of Yield and U-Turn in the entire franchise (this format is used on HaMerotz LaMillion (2, 3); The Amazing Race Australia (2) and The Amazing Race Philippines (1)), can anyone create the vote tag?
{{TAR clue|Yield|Team 1|Team 2|vote=yes}}
It will show (N teams voted for Yield team Y)
{{TAR clue|U-Turn|Team 1|Team 2|vote=yes}}
And as for the U-Turn, it will also show (N teams voted for U-Turn team Y)
See, the format will be used to stop distinguished with the regular clue tags. ApprenticeFan work 07:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Leg #: | 4 |
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U-Turned: | Paul & Steve (6/9 votes) |
Voter | Team's Vote |
Shane & Andrew | Paul & Steve |
Paul & Steve | Sticky & Sam |
Michelle & Jo | Paul & Steve |
Joseph & Grace | Paul & Steve |
Lucy & Emilia | Shane & Andrew |
James & Sarah | Lucy & Emilia |
Sticky & Sam | Paul & Steve |
Ross & Tarryn | Paul & Steve |
Kym & Donna | Paul & Steve |
Since Ryulong working on the new race summary section format started from The Amazing Race 25 and even thinks that both Detour, Roadblock, Additional tasks, Special tasks (Fast Forward, Intersection, Speed Bump) were merged to a bigger sentence and has more intensively on his work. When my talk page was notified about Amazing Race summaries section, here's the example from the second leg of TAR1 (without photos):
In this leg's Fast Forward, a team had to whitewater raft along the treacherous rapids of the Zambezi River with Bundu Adventures. They then had to locate the Fast Forward clue. In this leg's Detour, teams chose between Near and Far. In Near, teams went to Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park to photograph three hard to find animals from a list. In Far, teams had to go to Chobe National Park to photograph a single elephant. In the first aired Roadblock of the series, one team member had to take the stairway up to the second level of the Eiffel Tower and use a ₣10 coin to operate a telescope. The teammate had to search the Parisian skyline using the telescope to spot the team's next destination, marked with a Race flag.
At the Pit Start, teams were informed to travel to Songwe Museum with 100 yards from the check point and were instructed about a clue to Bundu Adventures in Zambezi River. Upon arriving in Bundu Adventures, teams had to whitewater raft down to a treacherous rapids down to the Zambezi River to locate the Fast Forward clue or find the regular route info clue, which is a Detour, allowing them to choose between Near and Far. In Near, teams had to go to Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park 20 kilometres (12 mi) away and had to photograph three hard to find animals from a list. In Far, teams had to go to Chobe National Park in nearby Botswana, which was 90 kilometres (56 mi) farther and photograph a single elephant. After the Detour, teams had to send these photographs to Mukuni Village. Once there, teams had to take part in a traditional welcome ceremony for honored guests. The ceremony involved meeting the village chief (who would spit on them) as well as viewing and participating a tribal dance. Teams then gave the village chief the photographs, and they also gave a miniature model of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, their next destination, where they told to instruct for the series' first aired Roadblock, on which one team member had to take the stairway up to the second level of the Eiffel Tower and use a ₣10 coin to operate a telescope while the other team member had to search the skyline using the telescope to spot for the leg's Pit Stop, Arc de Triomphe, with a marked Race flag.
Again, here's an another example from leg 9 of TAR16 where it includes the U-Turn (it was being introduced in TAR12):
In the only Fast Forward of the race, one team made their way to the Singapore Flyer where they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the 541-foot (165 m) Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. For this Leg's Detour, teams chose between Pounding The Drums and Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. In this leg's Roadblock, one team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue.
At the start of the leg, teams were told to travel to Kuala Lumpur by bus, and then they headed by train to Singapore. Upon arrival, teams had to head to Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall and find Allan Wu, host of The Amazing Race Asia, who would give them their next clue: a Fast Forward and the Detour. The Fast Forward required teams to head to Singapore Flyer, they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the 541-foot (165 m) Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. The Detour was a choice between Pounding The Drums or Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. The clues sent teams to Istana Park to find the U-Turn at the intersection of the "last pit stop city" between Orchard Road and Penang Road where their next clue, sending them to ASL Marine Shipyard for the Roadblock. One team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue. The clue directed the teams to Sentosa and they rode the MegaZip, a 1,476-foot (450 m) long zip-line. After unharnessing from the MegaZip, teams received their next clue, sending them to Marina Barrage for the Pit Stop.
With the redundancy of recent changes of rewriting the whole summaries, and here is again from the 10th leg of TAR20:
For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. For the Fast Forward, teams had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. In this Leg's Roadblock, one team member had to spin 40 feet (12 m) of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue. This Leg's Detour was a choice between Pachyderm and Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue.
At the start of the leg, teams were headed to Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, where they encountered the head priest would bless the teams before giving the next clue: the Speed Bump, the Fast Forward and a route info clue. For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. The Fast Forward required teams headed to Mutharamman Devasthanam Hindu temple and they had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. The route info clue where teams directed them to Pattanacaud Coir Mats and Matting for the Roadblock. One team member had to spin 40 feet (12 m) of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue, sending them to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue: the Detour, choosing between Pachyderm or Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue. Both clues directed teams to Vypin on a Cheena vala fishing nets for the Pit Stop.
Noted that there are information on how the leg started, travel to a destined location and the Pit Stop of the Race, with the new Race tradition to use in Wikipedia, it may be good for English readers. ApprenticeFan work 09:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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I propose we go with a more consistent naming of articles that can be utilized for all the international versions. Plus, it would fit with all the other television series articles on Wikipedia.
The simple format is: Show Name (season x)
This helps clean up the problematic and inconsistent article titles for the foreign adaptions:
Main Page: The Amazing Race (Latin America)
and so on..
Main Page: The Amazing Race Vietnam
My main concern is that the number implies that, for example, "The Amazing Race 1" is the name of the show. The number could mean just about anything. This proposal seems a lot more clearer to understand and can be applied to all the international versions. Furthermore, if you looked at how the Latin American seasons are titled, you'd think they were two completely different television shows. Regards. -- Kartoffel 07 16:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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At some point, someone decided that for No-Rest Legs (Ie, ones where the Leg number is underlined, Season 29 Leg 5, where teams don't get a rest period at the Pit Stop), we would start Underlining the team that came in last place. Why is this necessary? There is absolutely no penalty or change associated with this team, unlike being Eliminated or being Saved on a Non-Elimination leg with a penalty. Anyone with the most basic sense of math is able to see that 7th is the lowest number for seven teams, so obviously they came in last place. As it stands now, this just adds unnecessary scribbles to the results table. 96.48.238.205 ( talk) 00:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
It was decided by certain editors that if a Roadblock/Detour clue was picked up at a prior location to where the task takes place, then the icon would be placed behind the location name instead of in front of it. Why is this necessary information? The icon should be used to indicate where the task took place. It doesn't matter where the clue was picked up. That's information that can be obtained from the prose below. Furthermore, nothing on the pages currently explains to readers what the difference is. The only reason I know this is because of reading talk pages. It looks very inconsistent, messy and somewhat unprofessional. 96.48.238.205 ( talk) 00:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, I thought I'd post here rather than on an individual articles, but I'd like to do some work on the season articles for TAR and potentially send them to GAN. I think they all need an awful lot of work, specifically the amount of CRUFT in the articles, such as the episode titles lists and the in-depth episode coverage, which could be summarised a lot. Does anyone mind me picking a season and working my way through to improve it to a point it is worth nominating?
I know there is a lot of articles such as these, so I wanted to let my intentions be known before making the changes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The list of various international seasons bothers me, because it ignores basic numerical order. For example, TAR Australia is listed as "1, 2, 4, 5 [...] 3". I know this is because some versions are different, more special versions of the show, but it really makes things so awkward when the numbers are listed out of order like this. Isn't there a better way of doing this?
And also, I disagree with the 4th season of TAR Latin America being migrated over to the "Brazil" section. Now there's a random 4th season floating next to Brazil, and the actual Latin America section is just inexplicably missing the number 4. Shadow2 ( talk) 00:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
I've made four requests now to talk about this on a talk page, but they've all been ignored completely, so I guess I'll try again. WHY do we have to awkwardly shuffle the icons such as Detour and Roadblock to either before or after the task locations? It looks really awkward, unprofessional and unappealing to look at. Coverage is important, but does it really fall within the scope of things here to determine whether the Roadblock clue was picked up here or there? Either way, the team has to travel to the task site, it makes no difference if they got the clue there or beforehand. I would really like it if we could just simply use the icons to dictate what task took place where. Shadow2 ( talk) 00:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Are screenshots of specific scenes/tasks still necessary? I can see screenshots of rivals competing each other in either a Road Block or a Fast Forward. But I can already understand the rules even without screenshots. I am not confident that they comply with WP:NFCC#8. But I can stand corrected. George Ho ( talk) 18:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
And all the flags are gone. In this section, find a way to bring them back. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:400A:A610:D0C0:B3D7 ( talk) 03:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned above, we've added underlines to teams who arrive in last place on No-Rest ("Keep on Racing") legs, for example writing 11th for Jet & Cord on the first leg of Season 18. This is completely unnecessary and tells the reader nothing except that they arrived in last place...which is already accomplished by the fact that it says "11th". The note at the bottom of the table about "Underlined leg numbers" can still retain the information about not needing a Speed Bump, but there shouldn't be an indicator on the table that doesn't accomplish anything extra. @ User:Xoruz @ user:ApprenticeFan 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E ( talk) 03:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
It's awful. I love how singular users like @ Bgsu98 can just come in and change years of hard work at the drop of a hat because they think they know better. Why are the tables thick and bloated now? Why are "notations that did not affect placement" removed when they still had an impact on the game, and who are you to decide that? Why are the results tables SORTABLE now, when there's no reason they need to be? Why is the information about what stuff means in the table now in a long, messy paragraph instead of the nice bulleted list as before? Why are you quoting WP:COLOR and then specifically ignoring it by placing a bunch of coloured text in the paragraph above the table that says "team on the receiving end of the U-Turn"? I remember the good old days where when someone decided there were BIG SWEEPING CHANGES that needed to be made to a page, there was a discussion about it first. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:151E:E3DB:EBEC:6B23 ( talk) 20:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
WOW. Here we go. I've found it. I knew this would be the case. So YOU @ Bgsu98 have just come in here after almost two decades - yes 20 years - of Wikipedia readers recognising the format and it being completely readable. And you've just come in here and totally changed it to suit you. And it appears from all the disgruntled comments from other users/readers, only you. Stop NOW. This is unacceptable. I will report you for unreasonable behaviour, not me. People have expressed across all Amazing Race online communities that these Wikichanges are not good. Do not help readability. And here you are leaving notes saying 'oh I'm just trying a new thing, I'm going to pop a dagger in as well as red for elimination, just for fun'. That is UNACCEPTABLE. And the change from blue to purple? What consultation was had there? Alert me immediately to which other editors have agreed with this change. You've done this across Amazing Race, Survivor, and many other Reality wiki pages. It's maddening. I know the rules, and I know you're breaking them. This thread shows you have no support, and I want you to show me other editors who are supporting the changes you are making. Immediately. Or I will report you. Kiwi Jaden.
If you guys are so obsessed with making everything "accessible", can someone maybe finally address this issue that I brought up years ago? None of the parameters on Template:TAR Clue actually do anything...It just shows a preview for the general TAR page. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:71E5:60C1:9A9F:520D ( talk) 05:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
The Express Pass are still to be kept with a color orange and the symbol ɛ in all seasons. ApprenticeWiki contribs 03:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
I think about replacing double nbsp
with single numsp
(for
figure space). I also thought about adding nbsp
between an icon and a legend describing the icon. But I wonder how the changes would affect readability, especially on mobile.
Also, as I figured, the template is getting long, so I thought about putting parameters into its own subpage... unless it's not necessary. George Ho ( talk) 17:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Since the flavour of the day is removing "Fancruft" from the Amazing Race pages, can we maybe once again consider getting rid of the one piece of "Fancruft" that I adamantly think does not belong on these pages, the one I've been trying to talk about for years but nobody even wants to engage in conversation about.
Why do we need to put the Detour/Roadblock icon in a different spot on the destination list just because they picked up the Roadblock clue here or they picked it up there. Literally who cares? It makes the destination list look clunky and awkward to read, when really all we need is an icon that says "A Roadblock took place here.
In this example (of how we currently do things), the teams would have received the Detour clue immediately after performing the Roadblock, thus would have picked up the yellow Detour clue while at the opera house, not at the bridge. That's such a small, minute detail that we really don't need to pay so much close attention to. What major impact on the game does it have if they got the Detour clue at the opera house, or if they got it at the bridge? Almost nothing about the racecourse itself would change. It's not important. We can just list the icons to the right of all destinations on the list to make it consistent and readable. (Would also probably help avoid confusing people using screen-readers, otherwise they'll be hearing the Detour information before even hearing the location)
Please answer. I'm tired of people blowing this off by just saying "It's important" and saying nothing else. 96.48.233.241 ( talk) 12:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
The insertion of logos as icons into articles is strongly discouragedunder MOS:LOGO. The way we have things set out at the moment is very much against MOS. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
All right, I'm done. Lee, you don't seem to want to directly address any points I've brought up and now you're suggesting that we remove even more information from these pages than we already have. It's pointless to talk about this because nobody will listen. Accusing me of "Just because you like the icons" even though I've explained previously and repeatedly why they are useful to readers is just insulting. "Only some readers will understand" you say, even though we have a legend at the top of the page WITH LINKS that explain what a Detour, Roadblock, etc is. Suggesting we remove the itinerary of locations from a TRAVEL show? It's clear you're not even reading what I say and just want to keep hammering the point until you get your way. I'm so tired of fighting this and I don't know why I still try to keep these pages from becoming just a mess. Do whatever you want. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1DA:7F8F:87E8:FD6C ( talk) 23:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Should the icons (such as those for planes, detour and route marker) be used in race series articles such as at The Amazing Race 1? Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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Question - Why did we put so much effort into arranging the task descriptions so they're in chronological order while, at the exact same time, rearranging all the results table footnotes so they're no longer in chronological order? 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:8C05:9D7:508A:A360 ( talk) 11:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
This is honestly kind of hilarious at this point. The pages for The Amazing Race pretty much act like a microcosm of all the bigger problems on Wikipedia. They are pretty much all showcased on this talk page.
Big important users coming in and making big sweeping changes without any discussion on the relevant Talk pages or with any of the relevant editors... @ Bgsu98 @ Binksternet
Even though we are told to resolve disputes on the talk pages and generally use the talk pages for questions or concerns, those legit concerns are just flat out ignored... @ Binksternet just refusing to answer a lingering question directed at him, @ Lee Vilenski abjectly ignoring points brought up in an argument and choosing to answer only the points that make him right.
A lot of bullies run these pages now, and it's not appreciated. It's no wonder people quit working on Wikipedia so much these days. Maybe you should all try being nice and actually treating each other like human beings and not assuming every IP editor is a troll. Smarten up. 2605:8D80:445:E018:3A46:655C:B954:F315 ( talk) 22:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Started around June 14 or 15, given the sightj Ings in Bangkok. Hopefully more than just reddit posts to confirm once that page goes live. Masem ( t) 14:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)