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From what I understand and from all the digging I've done, proper credits were never released with the album, meaning that it cannot be verified that Shara Worden was actually the female vocalist on "Impossible Soul". Furthermore, the source this Wikipedia article cites for said information is an online review—hardly a credible source by any stretch of the imagination. The fan community has been debating whether it is indeed Worden or possible Annie Clark or Nedelle Torrisi, two other vocalists with whom Stevens has been known to collaborate. Until an official (or at least less dubious) source says otherwise, we should assume that it is NOT Worden, Clark, or Torrisi—the information should not be offered, period, as it is not CREDIBLE. I would suggest that the attribution of "Impossible Soul" to Worden on this article be removed—especially as it's being cited in other online forums of discussion as proof that Worden is the vocalist. -- 71.186.190.155 ( talk) 19:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I know this is an album by an American musician, and that this bit of clarification is from the official press release for the album, but I suspect speakers of British English wouldn't actually pronounce it the same as they pronounce "odds". This is only based on the assumption that "Adz" should be universally pronounced like "ah-dz" though, so I guess it's not enough justification to change the explanation to something else, but would it be fine to remove it? Or maybe put a phonetic spelling in there, instead of a word with a pronunciation that differs depending on accent? This is way too long-winded for such a simple matter, but oh well. 121.98.208.32 ( talk) 03:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I propose changing the numeric rating from reviewer Absolute Punk to a descriptive one. The reviewer publicy stated that: "score is irrelevant, don't put much stock into it" and "got rid of the score, shows how much I care about it" and "it's frustrating when the majority of people focus on a score (that I spent less than 10 seconds on deciding) instead of the actual review" (can be found in the comments on the review). This, coupled with the fact that the site is going to be changing to a new ratings system, makes the current numeric rating unrepresentative of the actual review. An indication of the tone and conclusion of the review ("very positive" as I edited it to before my edit was reverted, would cover it I believe) would make it clearer to the readers of the article, which I think is the key reason for there being these summary tables in the first place. MasterOfHisOwnDomain ( talk) 20:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
There should be documentation on the artwork in the album, which is the work of Prophet Royal Robertson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.212.52.249 ( talk) 06:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: WIKIPEDIAN PENGUIN ( ♫♫) 03:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Review of Revision 17:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC). Normally I would go through a section by section check, "scanning" for issues. But I think a detailed analysis against the criteria is better for this article as it is not really the minor problems holding the article back in this case. Please see the review below. For your convenience, I used this template as it shows the full good article criteria.
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
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2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Reliable sources have been used. However, the Track listing section lacks sources. Various quotes also remain unsourced. See next criterion. The genres and record label also need sources. The former could easily be integrated into a new section focusing on compositon and content. While citing, keep in mind that it is better to not have references in the lead and have them in the body. The final sentence in the first paragraph of the article is not even mentioned in the body and is unsourced. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
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2c. it contains no original research. | For all I know, what I have mentioned above could be original research, because it is unsourced. I am not sure though.
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3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | I have not noticed any obvious bias in the article so it's a pass. Be careful about the first sentence in the Critical reception section though. | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | Only MasterOfHisOwnDomain has contributed to the article this month as of 17:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC). Pass. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. | Fail: This article needs extensive work. I understand that a lot of work has been put to this article for nomination and that it would all come down to this. However, The Age of Adz largely fails many of the criteria and I strongly suggest that the article be renominated after a major clean-up and expansion, using this review as a guide for a stronger nominee. Many facts and statements lack sources to back them up, obvious information is omitted and unclear sentences are a huge hold-back. While 1 and 2 can be fixed within seven days, it's 3a that deserves lots of work and time. Write and expand any section if possible. At the most, this article stands at C-class. |
Although I am not changing the overall status of this nominee (pass/fail), this page is still open for the time being for comments about the criteria and my review. Thanks. WIKIPEDIAN PENGUIN ( ♫♫) 18:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: James086 ( talk · contribs) 14:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The only issue that needs addressing is the Themes section. On hold until then. James086 Talk 14:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
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Current status: Good article |
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From what I understand and from all the digging I've done, proper credits were never released with the album, meaning that it cannot be verified that Shara Worden was actually the female vocalist on "Impossible Soul". Furthermore, the source this Wikipedia article cites for said information is an online review—hardly a credible source by any stretch of the imagination. The fan community has been debating whether it is indeed Worden or possible Annie Clark or Nedelle Torrisi, two other vocalists with whom Stevens has been known to collaborate. Until an official (or at least less dubious) source says otherwise, we should assume that it is NOT Worden, Clark, or Torrisi—the information should not be offered, period, as it is not CREDIBLE. I would suggest that the attribution of "Impossible Soul" to Worden on this article be removed—especially as it's being cited in other online forums of discussion as proof that Worden is the vocalist. -- 71.186.190.155 ( talk) 19:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I know this is an album by an American musician, and that this bit of clarification is from the official press release for the album, but I suspect speakers of British English wouldn't actually pronounce it the same as they pronounce "odds". This is only based on the assumption that "Adz" should be universally pronounced like "ah-dz" though, so I guess it's not enough justification to change the explanation to something else, but would it be fine to remove it? Or maybe put a phonetic spelling in there, instead of a word with a pronunciation that differs depending on accent? This is way too long-winded for such a simple matter, but oh well. 121.98.208.32 ( talk) 03:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I propose changing the numeric rating from reviewer Absolute Punk to a descriptive one. The reviewer publicy stated that: "score is irrelevant, don't put much stock into it" and "got rid of the score, shows how much I care about it" and "it's frustrating when the majority of people focus on a score (that I spent less than 10 seconds on deciding) instead of the actual review" (can be found in the comments on the review). This, coupled with the fact that the site is going to be changing to a new ratings system, makes the current numeric rating unrepresentative of the actual review. An indication of the tone and conclusion of the review ("very positive" as I edited it to before my edit was reverted, would cover it I believe) would make it clearer to the readers of the article, which I think is the key reason for there being these summary tables in the first place. MasterOfHisOwnDomain ( talk) 20:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
There should be documentation on the artwork in the album, which is the work of Prophet Royal Robertson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.212.52.249 ( talk) 06:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: WIKIPEDIAN PENGUIN ( ♫♫) 03:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Review of Revision 17:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC). Normally I would go through a section by section check, "scanning" for issues. But I think a detailed analysis against the criteria is better for this article as it is not really the minor problems holding the article back in this case. Please see the review below. For your convenience, I used this template as it shows the full good article criteria.
Rate | Attribute | Review Comment |
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
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2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Reliable sources have been used. However, the Track listing section lacks sources. Various quotes also remain unsourced. See next criterion. The genres and record label also need sources. The former could easily be integrated into a new section focusing on compositon and content. While citing, keep in mind that it is better to not have references in the lead and have them in the body. The final sentence in the first paragraph of the article is not even mentioned in the body and is unsourced. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
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2c. it contains no original research. | For all I know, what I have mentioned above could be original research, because it is unsourced. I am not sure though.
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3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | I have not noticed any obvious bias in the article so it's a pass. Be careful about the first sentence in the Critical reception section though. | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | Only MasterOfHisOwnDomain has contributed to the article this month as of 17:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC). Pass. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. | Fail: This article needs extensive work. I understand that a lot of work has been put to this article for nomination and that it would all come down to this. However, The Age of Adz largely fails many of the criteria and I strongly suggest that the article be renominated after a major clean-up and expansion, using this review as a guide for a stronger nominee. Many facts and statements lack sources to back them up, obvious information is omitted and unclear sentences are a huge hold-back. While 1 and 2 can be fixed within seven days, it's 3a that deserves lots of work and time. Write and expand any section if possible. At the most, this article stands at C-class. |
Although I am not changing the overall status of this nominee (pass/fail), this page is still open for the time being for comments about the criteria and my review. Thanks. WIKIPEDIAN PENGUIN ( ♫♫) 18:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: James086 ( talk · contribs) 14:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The only issue that needs addressing is the Themes section. On hold until then. James086 Talk 14:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)