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What does the "NLF" acronym stand for? Not explained in article, nor here. Does it represent a French-language term?
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your reference to the the "irritating" term communist forces as opposed to capitalist forces is interesting, if misplaced. The term is a descriptive, not a disparaging, one. Communist forces are organized and trained in a political methodology, not just military one. This make them unique. The The organization into three-man cells, self-criticism, and the overwatch of political officers at all levels, etc., gives them a totally different cast than any other military organization. I also agree that the NLF should be attributed as such. Viet Cong was a derogatory term drummed up by the Diem regime in order to discredit the NLF.- R.M. Gillespie — Preceding
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The introduction states, in part, as follows: “The operations are referred to as the Tet Offensive because they began during the early morning hours of 31 January 1968, Tết Nguyên Đán, the first day of the year on a traditional lunar calendar and the most important Vietnamese holiday. Both North and South Vietnam announced on national radio broadcasts that there would be a two-day cease-fire during the holiday. In Vietnamese, the offensive is called Cuộc Tổng tiến công và nổi dậy ("General Offensive and Uprising"), or Tết Mậu Thân (Tet, year of the monkey).” This is not correct. The first day of the Vietnamese New Year in 1968 was the 30th of January and not the 31st. Consequently, wherever you write 31 January in the Introduction, you should replace it with 30 January. If you look down the article at the first two paragraphs under the section titled, Offensive, you can see that portion was handled correctly. Additionally the 3rd paragraph of the introduction reads, in part, “five of the six autonomous cities, . . , and the southern capital.” This is not correct. Saigon, Dalat, Hué, Da Nang, Cam Ranh, and Vung Tau were the six autonomous cities, so you should more correctly say, “five of the six autonomous cities (including the southern capital).” All of these Introduction issues were discussed extensively in Archive 3 along with verifiable sources. 72.197.86.130 ( talk) 17:48, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The 2nd paragraph, 2nd sentence reads as follows: “As a result of the heavy fighting, 1968 went on to become the deadliest year of the war for the US forces with 16,592 soldiers killed. This is not correct. There were a total of 16,899 American deaths (hostile and non-hostile) in Vietnam during 1968. Hostile deaths included 13,005 killed in action, 1,630 died of wounds, 272 missing in action/declared dead, and 23 captured/declared dead. An additional 1,969 Americans suffered non-hostile deaths, which included illness, accidents, missing/presumed dead, and even homicides. This issue was discussed extensively in Archive 3 along with verifiable sources. 72.197.86.130 ( talk) 17:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
This article should be reviewed by Wikipedia's military history team for internal inconsistencies and biases, for incomplete discussion of subject matter, repetitiveness, and for possible biases in source matter that are not adequately noted or discussed in the article. It also appears to lack footnotes references for some crucial and possibly questionable statements.
Some specific problems as examples:
The section "Order of Battle and Communist Capabilities" includes neither a presentation of the order of battle for Communist forces or for allied forces. Rather it is largely a discussion of internal debate among U.S. military commanders and intelligence officials and within the Johnson Administration. "Order of Battle" means something specific, and this section is not one.
The section which follows, "Success of the Offensive", is entirely a discussion of U.S. domestic and political issues related to the war during 1967 and previously. It does not cover any aspect of the Offensive in 1968.
Next comes "Northern decisions", sub text "Party politics" which contains such statements as "Planning in Hanoi for a winter-spring offensive during 1968 had begun in early 1967 and continued until early the following year" which cannot possibly be true since the Offensive itself began in "early 1968", and the detailed planning and training for the offensive, including infiltration of additional troops from the North, such as staging of the assault forces, and stockpiling of supplies, had to be completed in late 1967 - a decision to move forward with this extensive effort can only have been made many months beforehand. This, in fact, is hinted at in the following section, only one of many contradictions in the article. The section entitled "General Offensive and Uprising" then makes the claim that the decisions were not finalized until October and December, 1967, which would have been too late for the North Vietnamese to position troops and supplies to carry out the offensive.
The section entitled "Saigon" begins with the internally contradictory statement: "Although Saigon was the focal point of the offensive, the communists did not seek a total takeover of the city" - when it is generally accepted that 1) the aim was to occupy and hold all of the cities and towns which were attacked, not parts of cities (which would have been extremely difficult), nor merely one or another of them; 2) the NVA made a particularly concerted effort to capture the two northernmost provinces of the Republic of Vietnam and to set up revolutionary governments there, and that was clearly a primary North Vietnamese goal, as it was again in the Easter Offensive in 1972; and 3) the most concerted effort and the one that came closest to success was at Hue, not Saigon.
There are many other problems with the article, including a disorganized approach and sloppiness in presentation. My guess is that this is more a result of too many editors with too many different view points, some of them political in nature, but whatever the reason, the result is a confusing article that may contain errors or unsupported opinion or ideological viewpoint. I don't have the time or background to deal with any of this easily, but there are many solid professional and amateur historians who edit Wikipedia articles, and perhaps a careful reviews by a small group could come up with an approach to edit the article into something more scholarly. Sciacchitano ( talk) 04:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Someone already mentioned it. What is it with the constant use of the terms "communist(s)" or "communist forces" for North Vietnamese troops and the Viet Cong? In my opinion it is not well chosen in this topic, because it is generalizing and also inculdes a subtile message/opinion. The exaggerated use, if not the mere use of this term at all sounds absolutely stupid and non-scientific. One could think that the "communists" of communists from all over the world. If I would use this term in this way in a scientific essay, it would be marked as non-scientific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.216.187 ( talk) 10:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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I see a lot of colloquialisms and other kinds of unencyclopedic language in this article. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
as Noam Chomsky said, Tet offensive is considered a highly biased term as many would see it as a 'Tet rebellion', after all it was their own country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.224.215 ( talk) 23:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay a few big tags at the top of this one. The globalize tag [1] was added with [this explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ATet_Offensive&diff=441761048&oldid=435155304] and has been there since July 2011. The tone one is more recent [2] and has also been brought up at the talk page. [3]. Now I can't speak much to the globalize viewpoint, but I can see the point behind the tone one. The first sentence starts off "During the fall of 1967, the question of whether the U.S. strategy of attrition was working in South Vietnam weighed heavily on the minds of the American public and the administration of President Lyndon B. Johnson." The whole article is nicely written, but appears a bit more essayish than what I am used to seeing in a Good encyclopaedic article. Can someone familiar with the topic address these issues? AIRcorn (talk) 03:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I took a quick look at the article and can't see any obvious problems. However, you guys are welcome to start a GAR if you want. Also, if there's no worldview problem, I suggest removing the globalize tags.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 03:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
History.net, Gareth Porter and Marilyn Young are the reliable sources. Don't remove it, @Quoc Viet MiG29VN ( talk) 14:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
"However, the Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci, citing a French priest she spoke to in Huế, claimed at least 200 people, and perhaps as many as 1,100, who were killed following the "liberation" of Huế by the US and ARVN.[130][131] Stanley Karnow wrote that the bodies of those executed by South Vietnamese teams were thrown into common graves.[130] Some reports exposed that South Vietnamese "revenge squads" had also been at work in the aftermath of the battle, searching out and executing citizens that had supported the communist occupation.[132][133]
Historian David Hunt posited that Douglas Pike's study for the U.S Mission was, "by any definition, a work of propaganda". In 1988 Pike said that he had earlier been engaged in a conscious "effort to discredit the Vietcong".[134]"
These are main article's blocks. All of them are valid, but you removed them without a reason. That's totally biased 113.190.46.134 ( talk) 10:43, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
One must be critical and skeptical of what this MIG29VC says and does - serious integrity issues can be witnessed eg from his fabricated references, false claims of "vandalism", deviously removing cites to remove content altogether etc. This guy tried to falsely, deceptively frame opposing editors ( myself and Andreas Philopater) as "vandals", in order to get unsuspecting, unaware users to delete content that I and Andreas have contributed that MiG dislikes. MiG wants other users to delete content for him, so that way he's not on the hook for edit-warring. Nguyễn Quốc Việt ( talk) 14:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tet_Offensive&diff=608220007&oldid=608203909 Quocviet removed the reliable source without a reason. His revert edit is vandalism, isn't that? If that is vandalism, please ask him to stop this 42.113.89.101 ( talk) 14:03, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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In light of the book Hanoi's War For Peace, found here [ [4]] which combs through North Vietnamese government archives, the Tet Offensive should be looked at in a different light. The strategic goals was to spur a general uprising as well as to cause defection among ARVN units, neither of which was met during the offensive. At the same time it laid bare the public fact that the US was not winning the war in light of private proclamations by US leaders that they were losing, and cemented to the American public that US ground forces cannot win the war. I think editing the results section might be a bit better to reflect this. Perhaps rather than stating outright "victory", or"tactical and strategic". There was no real intention to hold ground given that there was something under 85k troops against nearly 1 million, which is not a realistic tactical assessment. 00:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC) User talk:a_bicyclette
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As modern scholarship does not point to this being a classical invasion, in the sense of holding territories in a conventional war. The proper outcome should be regarded as "Territory recaptured" and "Failure to create uprisings/defections" as the objective of the tet offensive was this. This distinction is key, given that the 1972 Offensive was a clear example of a repulsed invasion, with markedly different objectives.
Unreffed description of "depletion of Viet Cong leading to substitution by North Vietnamese forces" was one long term outcome among many. Not really relevant regardless, since they continued to exist and were historically a branch of the NVA. Substituted with See Aftermath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deogyusan ( talk • contribs) 07:22, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
The Viet Cong isn't a seperate organization from the NVA, its directly politically and militarily controlled by the PAVN, existing as a non-uniformed wing entirely under the NVA's military control. There's a popular myth that they ceased to exist after the Tet Offensive when it was a reflection of changing military doctrines/changing presence post-Tet Offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.50.103 ( talk) 08:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Results section should not discuss casualties. in ref to this change [5].
moving it to casualties is appropriate, since these were unilateral edits by another user that wasn't discussed. going to suggest other users moderate this. whether results section should discuss casualties or whether my suggestion that it belongs in another section stands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.50.103 ( talk) 09:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
By this edit: [6] User:George Cao Van Long replaced Lê Duẩn with Võ Nguyên Giáp without explanation. I reverted the change saying "Giap wasn't involved as he didn't want any part of it, it was Le Duan's plan". George Cao Van Long added back Giap with no explanation. I reverted this change saying "stop edit-warring this, follow WP:BRD and take it to Talk Page". George Cao Van Long reverted me again without explanation. I posted an edit-warring warning on his Talk page and opened this discussion. Mztourist ( talk) 17:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
You can check the book History of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Joint Chiefs of Staff and The War in Vietnam 1960–1968, part 3 [7]. In p.145, it says: "The Administration promptly accepted General Westmoreland’s recommendations, with the stipulation that bombing in North Vietnam would be restricted to the region south of Vinh. President Thieu also gave his concurrence. On 26 January, the Joint Chiefs of Staff notified CINCPAC and CINCSAC of these exceptions to the 36-hour truce, which would begin at 1800H on 29 January in II, III, and IV Corps. The ceasefire began on schedule, but was short-lived. Soon after midnight on the 29th, enemy forces in southern I Corps and parts of II Corps, evidently acting prematurely due to a mix-up in orders, attacked key towns and installations. This action resolved the allies’ questions about the timing of the general offensive. At 10.00 hours on the 30th, Saigon time, President Thieu formally cancelled the truce throughout South Vietnam, and both the US and ARVN commands placed all their forces on full alert. The alert came too late, however, to recall thousands of South Vietnamese soldiers who had gone on leave for the holiday. Outside of I Corps, where the absentee rate was around 20 percent, most ARVN units were at about half strength when the truce was cancelled. Allied forces thus were partially off balance when the Communists began their nationwide attacks in the early hours of 31 January." Lienanhhippo ( talk) 09:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, I will rewrite it Lienanhhippo ( talk) 09:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, I have moved those information to the Before the offensive section. Lienanhhippo ( talk) 10:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
There's an obvious contradiction between casualties in the infobox and in Aftermath. The Infobox says there were around 10,000 killed/missing in Phase one alone, which is referenced to an ARVN source from 1969. On the other hand, the aftermath says "The South Vietnamese suffered 2,788 killed, 8,299 wounded, and 587 missing in action. U.S. and other allied forces suffered 1,536 killed, 7,764 wounded, and 11 missing." This is sourced to the Department of Defense. What is the correct figure? Maybe the larger one does actually include phase 2 and 3. Encyclopedia Britannica for example, says "U.S. and South Vietnamese casualties numbered 12,727, including more than 2,600 fatalities.". I can't access the references used and therefore can't verify and correct these inconsistencies. Karsdorp85 ( talk) 09:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
The article states that "the Johnson Administration sought negotiations to end the war, which were derailed in a secret agreement between then-former Vice President Richard Nixon...and South Vietnamese President Nguyễn Văn Thiệu." This wording may be too suggestive of the failure of the negotiations being due solely to Nixon. While there is little doubt that Nixon was acting in an irresponsible and self-interested way that potentially jeopardized the lives of American military personnel in Vietnam, his effect on the outcome of the negotiations may actually have been negligible. See https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/09/dont_blame_nixon_for_scuttled_peace_overture_127667.html and the last sentence of https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/ . Gdw1948 ( talk) 17:06, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Could mention be made within the article of The Tet Offensive in relation to the latest events in the Middle-East? For are there not some similarities between the shock offensive in the Far-East and the latest conflict? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.234 ( talk) 20:25, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a Template:Use mdy dates hatnote designating the dates on this article should follow MDY format, and the infobox and one sentence in the lead do. The rest of the article is in DMY. One system needs to be chosen and the other dates changed to that format. Posting here to establish consensus on which should be used. – T C Memoire 16:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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What does the "NLF" acronym stand for? Not explained in article, nor here. Does it represent a French-language term?
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your reference to the the "irritating" term communist forces as opposed to capitalist forces is interesting, if misplaced. The term is a descriptive, not a disparaging, one. Communist forces are organized and trained in a political methodology, not just military one. This make them unique. The The organization into three-man cells, self-criticism, and the overwatch of political officers at all levels, etc., gives them a totally different cast than any other military organization. I also agree that the NLF should be attributed as such. Viet Cong was a derogatory term drummed up by the Diem regime in order to discredit the NLF.- R.M. Gillespie — Preceding
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The introduction states, in part, as follows: “The operations are referred to as the Tet Offensive because they began during the early morning hours of 31 January 1968, Tết Nguyên Đán, the first day of the year on a traditional lunar calendar and the most important Vietnamese holiday. Both North and South Vietnam announced on national radio broadcasts that there would be a two-day cease-fire during the holiday. In Vietnamese, the offensive is called Cuộc Tổng tiến công và nổi dậy ("General Offensive and Uprising"), or Tết Mậu Thân (Tet, year of the monkey).” This is not correct. The first day of the Vietnamese New Year in 1968 was the 30th of January and not the 31st. Consequently, wherever you write 31 January in the Introduction, you should replace it with 30 January. If you look down the article at the first two paragraphs under the section titled, Offensive, you can see that portion was handled correctly. Additionally the 3rd paragraph of the introduction reads, in part, “five of the six autonomous cities, . . , and the southern capital.” This is not correct. Saigon, Dalat, Hué, Da Nang, Cam Ranh, and Vung Tau were the six autonomous cities, so you should more correctly say, “five of the six autonomous cities (including the southern capital).” All of these Introduction issues were discussed extensively in Archive 3 along with verifiable sources. 72.197.86.130 ( talk) 17:48, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The 2nd paragraph, 2nd sentence reads as follows: “As a result of the heavy fighting, 1968 went on to become the deadliest year of the war for the US forces with 16,592 soldiers killed. This is not correct. There were a total of 16,899 American deaths (hostile and non-hostile) in Vietnam during 1968. Hostile deaths included 13,005 killed in action, 1,630 died of wounds, 272 missing in action/declared dead, and 23 captured/declared dead. An additional 1,969 Americans suffered non-hostile deaths, which included illness, accidents, missing/presumed dead, and even homicides. This issue was discussed extensively in Archive 3 along with verifiable sources. 72.197.86.130 ( talk) 17:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
This article should be reviewed by Wikipedia's military history team for internal inconsistencies and biases, for incomplete discussion of subject matter, repetitiveness, and for possible biases in source matter that are not adequately noted or discussed in the article. It also appears to lack footnotes references for some crucial and possibly questionable statements.
Some specific problems as examples:
The section "Order of Battle and Communist Capabilities" includes neither a presentation of the order of battle for Communist forces or for allied forces. Rather it is largely a discussion of internal debate among U.S. military commanders and intelligence officials and within the Johnson Administration. "Order of Battle" means something specific, and this section is not one.
The section which follows, "Success of the Offensive", is entirely a discussion of U.S. domestic and political issues related to the war during 1967 and previously. It does not cover any aspect of the Offensive in 1968.
Next comes "Northern decisions", sub text "Party politics" which contains such statements as "Planning in Hanoi for a winter-spring offensive during 1968 had begun in early 1967 and continued until early the following year" which cannot possibly be true since the Offensive itself began in "early 1968", and the detailed planning and training for the offensive, including infiltration of additional troops from the North, such as staging of the assault forces, and stockpiling of supplies, had to be completed in late 1967 - a decision to move forward with this extensive effort can only have been made many months beforehand. This, in fact, is hinted at in the following section, only one of many contradictions in the article. The section entitled "General Offensive and Uprising" then makes the claim that the decisions were not finalized until October and December, 1967, which would have been too late for the North Vietnamese to position troops and supplies to carry out the offensive.
The section entitled "Saigon" begins with the internally contradictory statement: "Although Saigon was the focal point of the offensive, the communists did not seek a total takeover of the city" - when it is generally accepted that 1) the aim was to occupy and hold all of the cities and towns which were attacked, not parts of cities (which would have been extremely difficult), nor merely one or another of them; 2) the NVA made a particularly concerted effort to capture the two northernmost provinces of the Republic of Vietnam and to set up revolutionary governments there, and that was clearly a primary North Vietnamese goal, as it was again in the Easter Offensive in 1972; and 3) the most concerted effort and the one that came closest to success was at Hue, not Saigon.
There are many other problems with the article, including a disorganized approach and sloppiness in presentation. My guess is that this is more a result of too many editors with too many different view points, some of them political in nature, but whatever the reason, the result is a confusing article that may contain errors or unsupported opinion or ideological viewpoint. I don't have the time or background to deal with any of this easily, but there are many solid professional and amateur historians who edit Wikipedia articles, and perhaps a careful reviews by a small group could come up with an approach to edit the article into something more scholarly. Sciacchitano ( talk) 04:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Someone already mentioned it. What is it with the constant use of the terms "communist(s)" or "communist forces" for North Vietnamese troops and the Viet Cong? In my opinion it is not well chosen in this topic, because it is generalizing and also inculdes a subtile message/opinion. The exaggerated use, if not the mere use of this term at all sounds absolutely stupid and non-scientific. One could think that the "communists" of communists from all over the world. If I would use this term in this way in a scientific essay, it would be marked as non-scientific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.216.187 ( talk) 10:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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I see a lot of colloquialisms and other kinds of unencyclopedic language in this article. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
as Noam Chomsky said, Tet offensive is considered a highly biased term as many would see it as a 'Tet rebellion', after all it was their own country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.224.215 ( talk) 23:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay a few big tags at the top of this one. The globalize tag [1] was added with [this explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ATet_Offensive&diff=441761048&oldid=435155304] and has been there since July 2011. The tone one is more recent [2] and has also been brought up at the talk page. [3]. Now I can't speak much to the globalize viewpoint, but I can see the point behind the tone one. The first sentence starts off "During the fall of 1967, the question of whether the U.S. strategy of attrition was working in South Vietnam weighed heavily on the minds of the American public and the administration of President Lyndon B. Johnson." The whole article is nicely written, but appears a bit more essayish than what I am used to seeing in a Good encyclopaedic article. Can someone familiar with the topic address these issues? AIRcorn (talk) 03:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I took a quick look at the article and can't see any obvious problems. However, you guys are welcome to start a GAR if you want. Also, if there's no worldview problem, I suggest removing the globalize tags.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 03:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
History.net, Gareth Porter and Marilyn Young are the reliable sources. Don't remove it, @Quoc Viet MiG29VN ( talk) 14:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
"However, the Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci, citing a French priest she spoke to in Huế, claimed at least 200 people, and perhaps as many as 1,100, who were killed following the "liberation" of Huế by the US and ARVN.[130][131] Stanley Karnow wrote that the bodies of those executed by South Vietnamese teams were thrown into common graves.[130] Some reports exposed that South Vietnamese "revenge squads" had also been at work in the aftermath of the battle, searching out and executing citizens that had supported the communist occupation.[132][133]
Historian David Hunt posited that Douglas Pike's study for the U.S Mission was, "by any definition, a work of propaganda". In 1988 Pike said that he had earlier been engaged in a conscious "effort to discredit the Vietcong".[134]"
These are main article's blocks. All of them are valid, but you removed them without a reason. That's totally biased 113.190.46.134 ( talk) 10:43, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
One must be critical and skeptical of what this MIG29VC says and does - serious integrity issues can be witnessed eg from his fabricated references, false claims of "vandalism", deviously removing cites to remove content altogether etc. This guy tried to falsely, deceptively frame opposing editors ( myself and Andreas Philopater) as "vandals", in order to get unsuspecting, unaware users to delete content that I and Andreas have contributed that MiG dislikes. MiG wants other users to delete content for him, so that way he's not on the hook for edit-warring. Nguyễn Quốc Việt ( talk) 14:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tet_Offensive&diff=608220007&oldid=608203909 Quocviet removed the reliable source without a reason. His revert edit is vandalism, isn't that? If that is vandalism, please ask him to stop this 42.113.89.101 ( talk) 14:03, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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In light of the book Hanoi's War For Peace, found here [ [4]] which combs through North Vietnamese government archives, the Tet Offensive should be looked at in a different light. The strategic goals was to spur a general uprising as well as to cause defection among ARVN units, neither of which was met during the offensive. At the same time it laid bare the public fact that the US was not winning the war in light of private proclamations by US leaders that they were losing, and cemented to the American public that US ground forces cannot win the war. I think editing the results section might be a bit better to reflect this. Perhaps rather than stating outright "victory", or"tactical and strategic". There was no real intention to hold ground given that there was something under 85k troops against nearly 1 million, which is not a realistic tactical assessment. 00:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC) User talk:a_bicyclette
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As modern scholarship does not point to this being a classical invasion, in the sense of holding territories in a conventional war. The proper outcome should be regarded as "Territory recaptured" and "Failure to create uprisings/defections" as the objective of the tet offensive was this. This distinction is key, given that the 1972 Offensive was a clear example of a repulsed invasion, with markedly different objectives.
Unreffed description of "depletion of Viet Cong leading to substitution by North Vietnamese forces" was one long term outcome among many. Not really relevant regardless, since they continued to exist and were historically a branch of the NVA. Substituted with See Aftermath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deogyusan ( talk • contribs) 07:22, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
The Viet Cong isn't a seperate organization from the NVA, its directly politically and militarily controlled by the PAVN, existing as a non-uniformed wing entirely under the NVA's military control. There's a popular myth that they ceased to exist after the Tet Offensive when it was a reflection of changing military doctrines/changing presence post-Tet Offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.50.103 ( talk) 08:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Results section should not discuss casualties. in ref to this change [5].
moving it to casualties is appropriate, since these were unilateral edits by another user that wasn't discussed. going to suggest other users moderate this. whether results section should discuss casualties or whether my suggestion that it belongs in another section stands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.50.103 ( talk) 09:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
By this edit: [6] User:George Cao Van Long replaced Lê Duẩn with Võ Nguyên Giáp without explanation. I reverted the change saying "Giap wasn't involved as he didn't want any part of it, it was Le Duan's plan". George Cao Van Long added back Giap with no explanation. I reverted this change saying "stop edit-warring this, follow WP:BRD and take it to Talk Page". George Cao Van Long reverted me again without explanation. I posted an edit-warring warning on his Talk page and opened this discussion. Mztourist ( talk) 17:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
You can check the book History of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Joint Chiefs of Staff and The War in Vietnam 1960–1968, part 3 [7]. In p.145, it says: "The Administration promptly accepted General Westmoreland’s recommendations, with the stipulation that bombing in North Vietnam would be restricted to the region south of Vinh. President Thieu also gave his concurrence. On 26 January, the Joint Chiefs of Staff notified CINCPAC and CINCSAC of these exceptions to the 36-hour truce, which would begin at 1800H on 29 January in II, III, and IV Corps. The ceasefire began on schedule, but was short-lived. Soon after midnight on the 29th, enemy forces in southern I Corps and parts of II Corps, evidently acting prematurely due to a mix-up in orders, attacked key towns and installations. This action resolved the allies’ questions about the timing of the general offensive. At 10.00 hours on the 30th, Saigon time, President Thieu formally cancelled the truce throughout South Vietnam, and both the US and ARVN commands placed all their forces on full alert. The alert came too late, however, to recall thousands of South Vietnamese soldiers who had gone on leave for the holiday. Outside of I Corps, where the absentee rate was around 20 percent, most ARVN units were at about half strength when the truce was cancelled. Allied forces thus were partially off balance when the Communists began their nationwide attacks in the early hours of 31 January." Lienanhhippo ( talk) 09:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, I will rewrite it Lienanhhippo ( talk) 09:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, I have moved those information to the Before the offensive section. Lienanhhippo ( talk) 10:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
There's an obvious contradiction between casualties in the infobox and in Aftermath. The Infobox says there were around 10,000 killed/missing in Phase one alone, which is referenced to an ARVN source from 1969. On the other hand, the aftermath says "The South Vietnamese suffered 2,788 killed, 8,299 wounded, and 587 missing in action. U.S. and other allied forces suffered 1,536 killed, 7,764 wounded, and 11 missing." This is sourced to the Department of Defense. What is the correct figure? Maybe the larger one does actually include phase 2 and 3. Encyclopedia Britannica for example, says "U.S. and South Vietnamese casualties numbered 12,727, including more than 2,600 fatalities.". I can't access the references used and therefore can't verify and correct these inconsistencies. Karsdorp85 ( talk) 09:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
The article states that "the Johnson Administration sought negotiations to end the war, which were derailed in a secret agreement between then-former Vice President Richard Nixon...and South Vietnamese President Nguyễn Văn Thiệu." This wording may be too suggestive of the failure of the negotiations being due solely to Nixon. While there is little doubt that Nixon was acting in an irresponsible and self-interested way that potentially jeopardized the lives of American military personnel in Vietnam, his effect on the outcome of the negotiations may actually have been negligible. See https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/09/dont_blame_nixon_for_scuttled_peace_overture_127667.html and the last sentence of https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/ . Gdw1948 ( talk) 17:06, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Could mention be made within the article of The Tet Offensive in relation to the latest events in the Middle-East? For are there not some similarities between the shock offensive in the Far-East and the latest conflict? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.234 ( talk) 20:25, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a Template:Use mdy dates hatnote designating the dates on this article should follow MDY format, and the infobox and one sentence in the lead do. The rest of the article is in DMY. One system needs to be chosen and the other dates changed to that format. Posting here to establish consensus on which should be used. – T C Memoire 16:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)